How long until the Karelians gain independence from Russia and

>>79588394

They are gone man. There's dozens of times more Ukrainians in Karelian republic than Karelians.

>>79588394
https://youtu.be/Kyov6dyghz4

>>79588450
This. They are conquered peoples.

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Never.

>>79588510
Finns were conquered for most of their history

>>79588450
How long until Finland takes over?

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Its fucking sad.

>>79588864

So were Norwegians

>>79588944
They had a kingdom that lasted 525 years and were occupied for 508 years, so no.

>>79589082

Although scarcely mentioned in historical records, Finland was still independent for most of the duration of the Norwegian kingdom.

>>79589177
No they weren't, just a bunch of scattered infighting tribes that never had a centralized state like Norwegians.

>>79588394
Average karelians I know care nothing but where to get wasted.
They often hook up with their finnish friends who come from over the border and drink heavily until they all pass out.

>>79589248

So?

Still independent, just not centralized.

>>79589248
we wuz centralized n shiet

>>79589457
By independence people usually mean independent statehood, something which Finns never had prior to the 20th century.

>>79588394
We have some Karelian refugees, they do want independence but if they dare to speak about it they'll end up in jail.

>>79589809
Care to elaborate on the ending up in jail part?

>>79589764

What a nonsensical definition of circular logic.

Independence is defined more reasonably by the absence of an outside force interfering in local matters through military domination.

>>79589764
Some kind of landowning statehood? Yes, of course.

Church-appointed kings? No.

>>79589884
The KGB starts harrassing them, they lose their jobs and get threatened.

>>79589344
They seem to fit right in with the Russians then

>>79590216
Sounds like the usual Friday night in Aus

>>79589951
Every people had that kind of independence at some point, it's nothing noteworthy.
>>79589994
No there wasn't, some pisspoor chieftains owning a plot of land doesn't constitute a state.

>>79590585
You're the same guy from this thread and nothing you say is historically correct. >>79429031 Quit talking in rhetorics only.

>>79590585
>Every people had that kind of independence at some point, it's nothing noteworthy.
The purest kind of independence. Now no-one has any independence besides North Korea and Iran. We are part of huge global unions.

>>79590733
No I'm not, many Finns on this board are blackpilled about their history.

>>79590858
What color pill is reading history to gain as much information as possible? I'm that color. Emotions don't need to factor in.

>>79590826
>Now no-one has any independence besides North Korea and Iran. We are part of huge global unions.
Exactly, Finns never got a chance to play the game, so to speak, either a global collapse happens and we might have a chance to make our mark on history or we'll get miscegenated out of existence with the rest of the Europe.

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>>79590934
This is called a statement of Independence whether you like it or not.

>1230-luvun käännytys Hämeessä näyttää olleen nopeaa ja tehokasta, joskaan ei pysyvää. Vuonna 1237 paavi Gregorius IX kirjoittaa Upsalan arkkipiispalle hämäläisistä, jotka nyt lähellä asuvien ristin vihollisten yllytyksestä ovat ryhtyneet kapinaan ja kiduttaneet, silponeet, sokaisseet ja tappaneet kristittyjä. Ei voine olla sattumaa, että tämä tapahtuu heti kalpaveljestön tappion jälkeen; ilmeisesti Suomen piispa oli todella heidän avullaan levittänyt läntistä kristinuskoa hämäläisten keskuuteen. Ristin viholliset lienevät karjalaisia. Siksi paavi julistaakin nyt ristiretkelle lähteville samanlaisen synninpäästön kuin saisivat Pyhään Maahan ristiretkelle lähtevät.
http://jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/151562-ruotsinmielista-historian-vaaristelya

There are like 5 rune stones in Sweden which talk about their warriors dying on Finnish soil.

>>79591081
I just wish we'd have had some unifying figure akin to Harald Fairhair or Genghis Khan before we got occupied for centuries, nothing is known about ancient Finns apart from those vague mentions.

>>79591323

Finland had very few people living here a thousand years ago. Most of them between Tampere and Hämeenlinna.

>>79591885
Yeah, sure sucks that we never had ancient states.

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>>79591323
That same linguist I linked to said on another forum that there are no morphological rules that prevent Caelic from being interpreted as Kalevi. Caelic was said to rule all of Finns in the 6th century.

>>79592052
Turku was an ancient state. They had direct connections from Saaremaa to Virumaa to Karjala.

>>79592052

I think climate is the reason why Finland never had a large population like Sweden even though the tech level has always been close.

Southern and central Sweden is cozy as fuck thanks to the gulf stream.

>>79592052
>we never had ancient states.
According to Unto Salo, the names of the Finnish provinces are older than the Swedish era. For example Satakunta means some kind of a military regiment which had been divided into ~100 strong units across the province. West Finland had a system of watch towers that would alert of any incoming invasion.

>>79592728

All of southern Finland did although more people lived in the inland west. We were completely militarized during the Viking age because of necessity. Vikings would have sold all Finns as slaves if they could have done it without massive losses.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_Suomen_muinaislinnoista

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_luovutetun_Karjalan_muinaislinnoista

>>79592932

Also, Vikings made up the bullshit about Finns using magic as an excuse for them being the inferior warriors every time they tried and failed to raid us.

>>79593326
>My grandfather Thorgny could well remember the Uppsala king Eirik Eymundson, and used to say of him that when he was in his best years he went out every summer on expeditions to different countries, and conquered for himself Finland, Kirjalaland, Courland, Esthonia, and the eastern countries all around; and at the present day the earth-bulwarks, ramparts, and other great works which he made are to be seen. And, more over, he was not so proud that he would not listen to people who had anything to say to him.

>be finngol
>get subjugated by swedes

>>79593726


>>>/x/

Never happened. Grandpa was a liar.