>most technologically advanced Civilization for thousands

Im sorry but i dont speak fat retard.

>what is Zhuyin

>>79421761
>be chinese
>original language
>ancient culture and traditions
>eat dogs

>being american
>horrible copy-paste from english culture
>distorted and butchered a nice language and now they speak a retarded and wretched version

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>>79421959
>be Colombian

>muh superior white race
>never invented anything

>>79421761

Basically only intelligent people can read it, so that we can control you brainlets.

Asian will rule the world

>>79423391
Koreans don't use Chinese characters that much anymore. Are you saying Koreans are dumb?

logograms

>>79423391
Anyone who grows up in a Chinese environment, is taught Chinese, and reads or writes it everyday can learn it.

>>79421761
I think there's two causes.

The first is tradition. When you have arguably the oldest language in the world, there is a lot of support for keeping tradition instead of adopting an alphabet. China was very traditional until commies fucked it up, so this could be a major cause.

Secondly, it has a higher barrier of entry than an alphabet based language. China has always been a very bureaucratic country where government officials held far more power than any private citizen. Having a language which is far more difficult for peasents to learn makes it harder for them to spread their ideas and for others to read them. In the same way the bible was only written in Latin to prevent plebs from actually understanding it.

Thoughts from other /int/ anons on my theory?

>>79424197
we have to learn pinyin so your theory falls apart

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why don't chinese and japs use hangul?

>>79424239
Pinyin is a very recent thing though.

Nobody was gonna romanize the Chinese language 1000 years ago

>>79424300
there was no need, the language barrier doesn't work that way because chinese is a written language, people had hard time speaking to each other from various regions

this is how the mandarin language developed

peasants didn't learn was because of the material not language, students are expected to remember by line the 4 books and 5 classics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Books_and_Five_Classics

>>79423424
Koreans are dumb as rocks
Relative to other East Asians

>>79424294
You obviously don't know anything about those languages if you think they can just switch to Hangul.

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>>79424379
They can just create their own versions like Slavs did with the Greek alphabet. And Japanese is very similar to Korean anyway.

>>79424410
They have no reason to. It's an important element of the culture, but also with the level of schooling in present China and Japan any native is literate. It only poses problems for foreigners.

>>79424294

Hangul works well the Japanese actually

다게도오레와간고구친챠나이가
라...

>>79421761
It is hard to learn, but its actually very convenient, since it transmits not voices, but ideas directly.

It's like you are reading a text completely made of emojis.

>>79424625
니혼진와아호

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>>79424410
There is no way China is giving up their writing system when it fits their language's isolating and tonal qualities. Not to mention it's the only independently formed writing system still in use today. The Chinese have a cultural attachment to the characters and abandoning it would be throwing away thousands of years of history as ancient texts would be unintelligible.

There have been attempts in the past to create an alphabetical system for Japanese but they have been ineffective as the language has too many homophones. Korean has a larger phoneme repertoire whereas Japanese literally has no diphthongs. Korean and Japanese share syntax and morphology while having almost no lexical resemblances. There is a cultural attachment to the use of Chinese characters in Japan and their use has been scientifically proven to increase reading speed as well. This is important when Japanese is not an information dense language that can communicate as efficiently as English.

Chinese characters are still in use in Korean newspapers for disambiguation purposes and some linguists have suggested the re-introduction of Chinese characters into Korean to increase reading speed.

>>79424762
오마에노마마레부수루조

>>79424883
>english scientifically proven to be BEST language
Holy fuck

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>>79424883

..but Japanese DOES have dipthongs

>>79421761
then, but not now. the only reason they can keep up is because they steal everything and reverse engineer everything they touch and then tell everyone its chinese brand

>>79421761
>Anyone who doesn't use my system is inferior

>>79424942
Do you even know what a diphthong is?

>>79424906
Not the best, just the most efficient. But it does feel good being in the Anglophone world.

>>79424625
Zainichi*

>>79421761
But the characters are aesthetically pleasing. I wish Egypt still used hieroglyphics.

>>79425093
Using Arabic as an Egyptian is liking screaming I AM A KEKOLDED ARAB RAPEBABY

>>79424883
source on that?

>>79423424
they can read some hanja

>>79425149
http://muse.jhu.edu/article/449938/pdf

>>79424883
>almost no lexical resemblances

Korean and Japanese have an abundance of shared vocabulary from Chinese which are phonetically very similar. Where are you getting this poor information from?

>>79425262
Lexical similarities refers to native words, not fucking loanwords. If you counted Chinese influence then you must as well say Japanese and Hindi are related because they both share the Chinese word for tea.

>>79425298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB2ZCa2arqA

>>79421761
>most technologically advanced Civilization for thousands of years

That's a lie created by Chinese nationalists around 1880-1920, don't know why some whities fell for it too

>>79425325
>linking a video to langfocus
Oh yeah, the same guy who questioned the classification of English as a Germanic language with the stupidest of reasons! Please read linguistic books instead.

>>79425298
Around 60% of words in both languages originate from Chinese, you moron. A bit different from sharing a word or two, don't you think?

>>79425396
>Around 60% of words in both languages originate from Chinese
Which is why you don't count them. Lexical similarity refers to cognates, also known as NATIVE words. The further you go back with Japanese and Korean, the more dissimilar they become -- which throws a wrench into determining their linguistic relation. Everyone knows about the massive Chinese influence that spanned over millennia but the Japanese and Korean languages were never replaced by Chinese, unlike how Gaulish was supplanted by Vulgar Latin. The two languages only have loanwords from Chinese. A good bulk of their Sino-Xenic vocabulary is technical and not used in everyday sentences. European languages create new terminology through Greek/Latin as bases and so Chinese would be the equivalent in the East Asian region.

>>79421761
They speak more than Mandarin in their country. Their writing system helps unify the whole country because it works for all languages in there.

>>79424883
>English 1.08
>Japanese 0.74
oh god, japanese is damn useless.

kinda surprised that french is more efficient than german tho.

>>79428512
They only post the image but in that article they mention that the languages below English are spoken at a faster speed

>>79428574
i know. i read the article.
but needing more syllables and needing to talk faster to get a point across seems so inefficient. i can see why so many research papers and the whole world is shifting towards english.

>>79428602
It feels like normal speed to us. English is cool when it comes to songs. It's easier to find more words in one line.

>>79428636
*fit

>>79428636
the main point the anon was trying to make is that japanese is not an information dense. the speaking has to be faster to get the same point across and it is way behind compared to the other examples. they also need chinese characters to differentiate homophones, give context and increase speed.