>mfw sc*ndinavians think they have culture when they don't

Inb4 anime posters
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>mfw scandinavian says he has culture

Scandinavians don't have culture, they just make use of ours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda

Are Finns like the paddies of the North?

>>79404884
They don't? I thought they had all sorts of sagas.

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>>79406368
>leave Scandi
>take all sagas and re-tell them over and over at your shitty rock island
>"WE'RE THE REAL DEAL"

>>79406628
No, they have some bedtime stories about gods, but no national epic

>>79406652
Icelandanon is right though. They're the ones that have the culture sc*ndis claim to have.

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>>79404884
>>79405091
>>79406368
umm try again sweetie :)

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>>79406846
>Icelandanon is right though. They're the ones that have the culture sc*ndis claim to have.

Taking all the sagas about what happened to us Scandis doesn't mean they have it.
They were cucks leaving war to live in "peace"

>>79406883
They're the actual descendants of the previously scandinavic culture. Maybe you shouldn't have warred so much and remembered to tell and make up sagas too.

>>79406853
Looks a little like home, only a little shittier.

>>79404884
I thought they have Beowulf and the Saga of the Volsungs?

>>79411433
>they have Beowulf
>they

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>>79404884
>mfw I'm scandinavian

>>79411512
What? It's a Swedish and Danish legend

SC*ndis disgust me desu

>>79411629
"Beowulf is an Old English epic poem consisting of 3,182 alliterative lines. It may be the oldest surviving long poem in Old English and is commonly cited as one of the most important works of Old English literature"

- Wiki

>>79411786
Beowulf is a Danish-Swedish legend

The Angles and Saxons were the first to actually write it down

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>>79411707
>SC*ndis disgust me desu
>italian

>>79404884
a national ebin? :---D X--D

>>79411629
>What? It's a Swedish and Danish legend
It's really Anglo-Saxon. Beowulf just supposedly is in Denmark and from Gottland and Finn the King is mentioned in it. There is some belief that Beowulf is actually from around Friesland and it takes places in Britain (some of the details don't fit Denmark at all but nicely fit England).

>>79411872
Even italians are better really. Sc*andis combine all the worse things in Europe.

>>79406368
Most of the sagas that fucker Snorri wrote down deal with Scandinavians though. Thanks for retelling our stories and history, I suppose.

>>79411845
The story is set in Denmark and Sweden, the original author is unknown

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>finnish national epic is a fairy tale written in early 19th century
>still more relevant than scadinavian "legends"
that christianity thing really did a number on that peninsula didnt it

>>79411958
>Even italians are better really. Sc*andis combine all the worse things in Europe.
>Finnish

>>79411872
Shut the fuck up

>>79404884
Beowulf?

>saying "Anglo-Saxon" rather than "Old English"

*cringe*

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>>79406652
>Don't write something
>Someone else puts it into verse, physically writes it down, binds it into tomes doing 100% of the work
>Literally forget it over time as you never wrote it down
>I-it's mine! I was totally thinking about writing it...I think...

Scandinavian culture in a nutshell, anyway besides the Edda, all of the Sagas and so on (the majority of Norse literature) were fully written here from concept to book about events around Icelanders in Iceland (and Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estonia) in Icelandic. Scandinavians either didn't do anything like this because

A. The monarchical oppression left most of them illiterate while the democratic Icelandic commonwealth thrived
B. They didn't do anything particularly interesting
C. They were too lazy/dumb

Any one of these reasons is just as hella sad imho

the Kalevala is a translation of a medieval Greek epic called Καλός Βόλος, i.e. beautiful pebble, it's the story of a boy looking for the most beautiful pebble in the world's beaches

>>79412718
big if true

>>79412718
actually kalevala is ancient and was an inspiration to many great works throughout the history such as iliad, odyssey, macbeth and gilgamesh

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>>79412718
That's ridiculous

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>>79406368
>>79412335
Don't be rude, dude. Let's not forget the only reason the Eddas were written were to schmoozy up to the king of Denmark

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>>79404884
>the finnish national epic was made by Elias Lönnrot
Hmmmm

>>79413207
Hah! This.

>>79413207
>finns are undocumented
>now under swedish rule
>wtf are these names these wont do t. swedish magistrate
>swedifies names in registry, some finns adopt them, some just ignore the official documents and keep using old ones
wow. REALLY made me think

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How do you even define ''culture''?

Finns do have culture and totally different history than scandis. Scandinavian culture is mostly just swedish shit. In the past scandis even had their own monetary union. Scandinavia is just one country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Monetary_Union

>>79404884
Who cares?

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>>79413505
Yeah, I remember reading about that. Shame it stopped. We could have joined in too. Instead we're stuck with e*ros

>The english national epic takes place in Scandinavia and is not about englishmen in any way
What did they mean with this?

implying we need a national epic when theaters around the world are performing Ibsen plays on a regular basis, that's a bigger cultural impact

>>79413691
>swedish sagas were written in iceland

>>79412718
Sounds gay

Where's all the monster slaying and gods turning into cows to pick up chicks?

>>79413096
*Norway

And no, Snorri Sturluson was on the other „side“. He was actually murdered by men loyal to the king of Norway.

Don't just assume historical things, they are much more nuanced than you would think. The swearing of allegiance to Norway was preceded by a civil war of independencists/republicans vs Norwegian royalists. There was nothing normal about it and I'm sick of Norwegians calling Iceland Norwegian clay or little Norway it's fucking insulting, Scandinavians did nothing but attack, undermine and exploit us and now they act like all of our accomplishments (Discovery of Greenland and America, literature etc.) Are theirs, they call Leifur Eiríksson „Leif Eriksen“ and call him Norwegian.. even though Norway didn't exist as a state back then while the Icelandic commonwealth did and he was born in Iceland...

>>79413775
>finns steal their stories from Karelia
>then they judge us for stealing our stories from Iceland

>>79404884
There is one, it's called Frithiofs saga. It was written by a swedish author, based on an icelandic saga and takes place in Norway. I think it was meant to be a national epic for all of Scandinavia.

>>79414253
icelandic is a dialect of swedish?

>>79415111
It is basically old norse, what all scandinavians used to talk

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>>79414253
Karelia is a part of Finland though

>>79404884
Kalevala is quite plagiarized, they made it seem like those were just magical heroes.

>>79415193
why has finnish retained words from old norse while swedish has bastardized them throughout years of "language reforms". is swedish a dialect of finnish??

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>>79415230
this

>>79415230
East Karelia has never been a part of Finland and that is where the stories came from

>>79415294
Not as bad as danish has.

didnt finland lose ww2

>>79415294
I am pretty sure we have more words from old norse and you got those words through us anyway

>>79415458
we're talking about words of old norse not words from old norse.

>>79404884
We got Heimskringla though. Atleast its not some shit made up by a Swede in the 1900s like kalevalevala

>>79415353
Maybe not officially, but it is culturally finnish.

>>79413993
A Norwegian discovered Greenland though, Erik raude

>>79415709
And Iceland is culturally Scandinavian

>>79415714
No wait Gunnbjorn Ulvsson did that. Still, a Norwegian who settled on s

>>79415839
If you put it that way, then Scandinavia isn't culturally scandinavian.

>>79415876
Still, he was a Norwegian who later settled on Iceland*

>>79415890
wut

who cares about snow nigger stories anyway? it's hilarious how such a big region of europe manage to be the most pathetic and useless in every capacity throughout its entire history.
truly the "master race" top kek

>>79415637
We also have Peer Gynt which is arguably more famous than Finland and Icelands entire combined literature.

>>79415979
>who cares about snow nigger stories anyway?
Op, apparently. I'd sooner point to the statistically unparalleled success the nordics have had in economic and societal wellbeing than having legends written down in the 900s. That's just playing into the anglo way of looking at culture.

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>>79416519
Never forget that you were once part of that success

>>79416343
lel thought Peer Gynt was only that composition. Surely not famous than Kalevala, with the Tolkien and all

>>79415637
not a swede hun xx

>>79404884
Scandis are hansard rapebabies who were cucked out of their viking culture by the eternal herring merchant.

>>79416680
>Slovenia
Is that the czech one or is it the tiny balkan one?

>>79416616
First, I'm swedish, second, I was talking about the success of the nordics in the 1950s and onwards, which Finland has been, and is a part of.

>>79416739
the tiny balkan one

we've got a national epic of our own though, even if it only dates back only to the 1830s. It concerns the violent christianisation of our territory by the Duke of Carinthia in the 9th century and ends with the pagan hero's conversion to xtianity at the urging of his unrequited love, whereupon they both enter the monastic life. None of the events in the epic actually happened. Thank you for your attention.

Ibsen's Peer Gynt

>>79411930
there are sections of the book that take place in frisia, and refer to them as foreigners. most of the book also takes place on sjaelland.

>the finnish national epic
>written by a swede, to exactly no one's surprise
How does it feel to know that everything non-nordics will ever know of finland was made by cai-göran?

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>>79406368

>>79416621
there are countless adaptations, theaters around the world are always acting out this play, Grieg composed music for it which became very popular ("In the hall of the mountain king" for example) and the play influenced many foreign, famous artists

>>79413993
But you WERE Norwegians back then, even if your fathers and mothers left Norway to start a new country they would still be "Norwegian" really...

>>79413993
>even though Norway didn't exist as a state back then
It did.

>while the Icelandic commonwealth did
Yeah... with like 5000 "Norwegians"

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>>79417629
>>79415714
>>79417538

See what I mean? Norwegians always do this..

>>79415422
Yes. It wasn't a bad effort from our part but ultimately we lost.

>>79406853
looks like poo land

>>79417538
norway didn't exist as a concept back then.

>>79418370
Norway was one kingdom back then, so yes it did exist.

>>79418764
No one called themselves norwegian back then.

They said eastmen or their kingdom eg rogaland.

>>79419075
Eastmen? They said 'Norðvegr' (which is pretty much the same we say today).

>>79412083
In a thousand years time the only Italian culture people will look back upon is the Godfather movies and Super Mario.

>>79419432
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandav%C3%A1gsstenen

>>79419619
Well... of course they mentioned their local area and not 'norway' because they were already standing on Norwegian clay.

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>>79420321
What did he mean by this?

>>79417538
>even if your fathers and mothers left Norway to start a new country they would still be "Norwegian" really.
>but Norwegian-Americans are muh heritage 53%ers

can't have it both ways you sophist fuck

>>79421398
But, it's literally the same thing.

Norwegians moing to Iceland are still Norwegians.
Norwegians moving to America are still Norwegians.

>>79421621
You said the parents though, someone whose parents were Norwegian-born but who was not born in Norway themselves isn't Norwegian and especially if they did not grow up there is not Norwegian, and I know Norwegians wouldn't consider them Norwegian

so how are they Norwegians when Iceland was more or less an established state?

>>79421792
>so how are they Norwegians when Iceland was more or less an established state?

It's like if some spaced out Americans went to some island to create a new country... they would still just be Americans to everyone else, and so would their children be.

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>>79406390
It all makes sense now.

>>79413207
>Implying name makes him swede
Also He were just collecting Finnic runes by finnics you cuckfag

>>79415353
Many families moved to Karelia from Oulu

And give Source that from East Karelia?

You don't have? (And technically even they were Finns)

>>79406390
Truly yes, paddies of scandi

>>79415353
There was no Finland when Kaleva was written down. So your argument has no merit.

>>79424047

Yes there was much longer before that

My parents are from the Scandinavia of Central America. Does that count?

>>79406853
Looks like home, needs more nigger graffiti

>>79404884
I hate to burst your bubble OP but do you know literally anything about Kalevala that wasn't taught to you during elementary school?

It's like 95% made up by Lönnrot. It's just another book but one with a genius marketing strategy. It's like a predecessor to movies saying "based on a true story". It's only our "national epic" because at the time Finland was struggling to come up with a national heritage so anything that fit that agenda was instantly shilled like crazy and became OFFICIAL part of Finnish history that still lives on.

>>79424047
Grand Duchy of Finland was formed 1809

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>>79411845
>>79411433
>>79411629
Anglosaxons came from Denmark, you dunce. It's our saga.

>>79406853
depressing commie blocks

>>79413373
You know literally NOTHING about Finnish history dumbass.
>now under swedish rule
This didn't happen. There was no Finland prior to Swedish rule. The lands now known as Finland were rural wasteland not claimed by anybody until the Swedes came here and SET UP A SOCIETY. They didn't conquer another society or place it under "their rule". They literally expanded to lands where only wild savages would hunt and scavenge.

There was no "Finland" "under Swedish rule". There was Österland, an equal part of the Swedish empire with full rights in their parliament, courts etc.
>wtf are these names these wont do t. swedish magistrate
This didn't happen either. The lands now known as Finland have been under Swedish rule since the 1200s. Finns didn't get surnames until the 1700s and 1800s. You're mixing so many concepts to create this brainfart it's making my brain hurt. Also there was no "swedish magistrate". Books in the lands now known as Finland were organized by the local churches.
>swedifies names in registry, some finns adopt them, some just ignore the official documents and keep using old ones
None of this happened either.

>>79413691
>anglosaxon epic takes place in the area anglosaxons originated from
>this somehow means it isn't about anglosaxons
really gets the ol nogging jogging

I love these Scandi (and Binland) threads, you guys are the best posters on 4chan by far.

>>79427270
Thank you.

>>79404884
define culture

>bilingual country
>culture
what

>>79415353
The Kalevala runes are pan-Finnic. The whole story of Kullervo is from Ingrians. West Finns likely had the same things.

>>79421792
I kind of agree with him. There's a difference when the norwegians are travelling to an uninhabited island like Iceland, where only other norwegians will live, compared to when they travel to a place like america, where there are people of many different nationalities as well as a culture unique to that new place,

>>79427129
>Swedes came here and SET UP A SOCIETY. They didn't conquer another society or place it under "their rule".
Now that's just dumb as fuck. Of course they were under landowners, the previous ones. The entirely Lalli episode of is of a Finnish landowner refusing to acknowledge the authority of a foreign Catholic priest and instead of allowing him to collect taxes from his subjects, went after and killed the priest in order to reinstate his own rule.
http://jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/158747-hyvaa-lallinpaivaa

The Crusades didn't take 100 years for no reason.
http://jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/151562-ruotsinmielista-historian-vaaristelya

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>>79429031
>s-suomella e-ei o-ollut i-itsevaltiutta

>Vuonna 1340 julistettiin 25 Sääksmäen talonpoikaa kirkonkiroukseen, koska he eivät olleet maksaneet veroa. Näistä talonpojista on säilynyt luettelo, jossa mainitaan henkilö nimeltä Cuningas de Rapalum eli Rapolan Kuningas. Nimi viittaa muinaishämäläiseen päällikköperinteeseen.[7][8] Kuningas tunnetaan useissa keskiaikaisissa yhteyksissä henkilö- tai kutsumanimenä, joten se hyvin todennäköisesti oli tässäkin tapauksessa sellainen eikä arvonimi. Todennäköisesti nimi on kuitenkin viitannut paikalliseen mahtimieheen, suurtalon isäntään. Georg Haggrénin mukaan Rapolan Kuningas oli muiden pannaan julistettujen sääksmäkeläisten tavoin luultavasti lautamies, yksi pitäjän arvostetuista luottamusmiehistä.
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomen_muinaiset_kuninkaat

>1230-luvun käännytys Hämeessä näyttää olleen nopeaa ja tehokasta, joskaan ei pysyvää. Vuonna 1237 paavi Gregorius IX kirjoittaa Upsalan arkkipiispalle hämäläisistä, jotka nyt lähellä asuvien ristin vihollisten yllytyksestä ovat ryhtyneet kapinaan ja kiduttaneet, silponeet, sokaisseet ja tappaneet kristittyjä. Ei voine olla sattumaa, että tämä tapahtuu heti kalpaveljestön tappion jälkeen; ilmeisesti Suomen piispa oli todella heidän avullaan levittänyt läntistä kristinuskoa hämäläisten keskuuteen. Ristin viholliset lienevät karjalaisia. Siksi paavi julistaakin nyt ristiretkelle lähteville samanlaisen synninpäästön kuin saisivat Pyhään Maahan ristiretkelle lähtevät.
http://jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/151562-ruotsinmielista-historian-vaaristelya

>>79428950
And the Icelandic stories are pan-Norse