Try and name one country in Europe that has a more empty, pathetic,

>>79379194
>Even Moldova and Luxembourg had leaders, kingdoms and relevance. Finland never had either one.

Good riddance

>>79379194
Stop being self hating this instant

>>79379194
fyrom
kosovo
andora?

>>79379194
Slovakia.

> slaves to Hungarians
> slaves to Austrians
> slaves to Czechs
> slaves to Nazis
> slaves to Soviets
> slaves to Merkel

>t. Cai-Göran

>>79379398
we wuz the nazis

>>79379194
Catalonia, at least you guys became independent at some point.

>>79379398
They had Great Moravia.
>>79379386
Kosovars are basically Albanians, Albanians had principalities and figures such as Skanderbeg, FYROM are basically Serbs and Andorrans have a history spanning 800 years almost.

>>79379194
i think its only estonia

>>79379410
t. knows nothing about finnish history (lol) but epic finnish memes amirite guys

>>79379535
>Skanderbeg
serbs and Greeks write always that he was half serb half Greek

hello

Your women are cute doe

>>79379386
OP said countries, not fantasy kingdoms like Kosovo, Westeros, Ivalice, Ukraine, Gondor etc.

>>79379548
t. Swedish opressor and professor of racial eugenics from Uppsala university

>>79379548
I'm minoring in Finnish medieval history

>>79379614
Latgalians had a principality.
>>79379540
Estonians had Lembitu, also they can claim Kaupo of Turaida since Livonians went extinct.

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>>79379535
>FYROM are basically Serbs

>>79379398
we didnt have independence but we were not slaves either, strictly speaking, slovak peasant had same rights as hungarian one, slovaks were also part of nobility (though they had to speak Hungarian)

>slaves to Austrians
as was everyone under them, Spain included

> slaves to Czechs
meme

> slaves to Nazis
Nazis helped create first independent Slovak republic and it became first ally of Germany, it was satelite state but hardly slave, ideologies were alligned

>slaves to Soviets
do you even Dubcek bro

>slaves to Merkel
After Germany we are country that profits from EU most, i would say its southern europe that is getting fucked desu

>>79379745
no

>>79379194
Faroe has noble prize, discovered iceland, even started a dynasty that ruled norway for centuries.

But all that pales in comparison to moomin.

SISU

>>79379745
>Estonians had Lembitu
see
nobody cares

but at least some people know that finland exists

Belarus has been cucked during all it's existence, even now they are megacucked by le ruski

RIP Finland

I'd probably feel shit as well if I was in your situation. Literally no KANGZ or KANGDOMZ.

>>79379548
It's Sweden's fault we have no history though, we were on the periphery of Europe and Swedes decided to fully erase our pre-Christian traditions and figures so as to integrate Finns fully into their kingdom.

>>79379743
kek

>>79379194
I mean, I like Ireland, but in empty, pathetic, subserviant history, maybe they beat you.

>>79379966
Even moomins were a Swedish invention

>>79379935
Yes.

>>79380108
blablabla yea you totally had history before you were a part of sweden

fuck off snownigger. most of you look like regular swefags anyway, youre just larping as mongols because your country is a boring soulless shithole filled with nothing but depressed autists.

>>79380192
But we're not, not by blood or looks or anything else. Swedes erased our history because they could, as nobody had written down anything of substance about us before.

>>79380024
They're an offshoot of Kievan Rus, so even they have more history than we do. Also Belarusians and Russians are basically the same people.

>>79380125
They aren't though
>>79379194
Why is it a problem that our country is young?

>>79380489
How about Uruguay

>>79379995
Fuck you

>>79379194
they had Sibelius

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Bro, what we have is better. We are now in the beginning of the Tuhatvuotinen Tähtienvälinen Suomen Valtakunta. We are living in the beginning of our eternal galactic empire. You're living it, not just jerking off to the past kangz.

>>79379743
you could probably sum up finnish medieval """"history"""" in one paragraph

>>79379930
>we didnt have independence but we were not slaves either, strictly speaking, slovak peasant had same rights as hungarian one, slovaks were also part of nobility (though they had to speak Hungarian)

mhmmmmmm, interesting. any other time history comes up you stinking mountain niggers claim we tried to genocide you, but here we can finally see the truth.

deplorable.

>>79381786
you did, but the attempt was so bad its not worth mentioning

>>79381857
I want you people to rejoin Hungary immediately. This farce has gone long enough.

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>>79381964
now that we have tasted freedom its no way back

>>79381857
>fails in genocide
Fucking Hungaryfails :DDDDDD Can't even genocide hahahahahahah

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I didn't choose to born here

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>>79382115
Me neither

>>79382183
Vänrikki Kosminen Sulttaani

>>79379194
>Try and name one country in Europe that has a more empty, pathetic, subserviant history than Finland.
Balkan nations?
>cucked by Rome
>cucked by Byzantines
>cucked by Turk's for nearly all of history
>and then cucked by Austria-Hungary

>>79382014
But our countries' relations have never been better. Slovakia is A-okay in our books at the moment.

Plus, admit it, you like Hungarian culture. Everybody does. Otherwise you wouldn't use our coat of arms. You look back to the Kingdom of Hungary with fondness, since it was your history too.

>>79381107
Fenno swedes are more swedish than finnish

>>79382456
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1783413/

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Here's finnish history to all of you white piggus

>get raped by swedes
>try to revolt
>get raped even harder
>get conquered by Russia
>they start raping us too
>Russia turns into USSR and gives us independence
>immediatly start a civil war
>USSR attacks soon after
>get btfo but not as much you'd expect
>attack USSR with Nazis
>get btfo even harder
>Nazis start attacking us Lapland
>get ordered to pay the USSR for warring
>still have a swedish upper class in your country even now

>>79382374
>Plus, admit it, you like Hungarian culture
I do, i like Hungary.

>Otherwise you wouldn't use our coat of arms.

Slovak nationalists didnt want to separate from Hungary at first, they just wanted autonomy and to make Slovak official language, they have chosen this flag because they didnt want to throw 900 years of history into trash.

> You look back to the Kingdom of Hungary with fondness, since it was your history too.

Partly true, i like the castles churches and architecture in general. But Slovaks dont really see Hungarian or A-H history as our own

>>79382498
genes are not arguments
bönde

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>>79382594
Our ancient kings

>>79381107
I love how Finns call finlandssvenskar finns when it suits you, and swedes when it suits you.

>>79381107
>Why is it a problem that our country is young
It's too late to make history or culture because of globalization. All the tribes have amalgamated and geopolitical power balances have been settled.

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>>79382115
>>79382183
While your history may on par with sub-Saharan African countries, you should be grateful you didn't get completely annihilated by the soviets.

>>79382751
u mad, bro?

>>79379194
You did have leaders, swedish leaders

>>79380108
>It's Sweden's fault we have no history though, we were on the periphery of Europe and Swedes decided to fully erase our pre-Christian traditions and figures so as to integrate Finns fully into their kingdom.
When was this?
>>79382883
>While your history may on par with sub-Saharan African countries
Ayy even Africa had some cool empires.

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>>79382928
yes

>>79382936
>Swedish Kings
Worst. Military. Leaders. Ever.

They couldn't fight their way out of en gratis påse lakrits.

>>79382975
We annexed the land areas that are today known as Finland in the 1200's. They were then annexed by Russia in the early 1800's. Finland didnt exist until the early 1900's, even if the ethnic group known as finns did.

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>>79382936
We were supposed to have Kangz after WW1! It's not fair!

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>>79383022
Watch your mouth or no ananas on pizza for you

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>this is what we saved them from the commies for

>>79383113
A german one

>>79383089
>They were then annexed by Russia in the early 1800's
-Pay taxes to Tukholma for 700 years
-Get dropped like used sock when you ask for security

Trust a Swede, feel the...

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>>79383205
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>79383224
>Tukholma
?????????????????

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>>79382594
And all these deadly events caused only the wittiest ones to survive.

We just need to get rid of our low-test policies cause we're losing our country at the same rate as Sweden.

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>>79382975
>Ayy even Africa had some cool empires.

>>79383089
Sad stuff desu.

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>>79383155
*gets shot by fellow Swedes due to incompetence*

>>79383268
What is the problem, Ruotsi?

>Swedes kicking the dead horse

Truly the most disgusting and unlikable people on earth.

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>>79383350
>the only thing we have is an illusion of a primitive kingdom of ''ancient kings'' with no advancements for humanity

>>79383420
>t. morbidly obese retard

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>>79383350
Modern day Finland was a part of the Swedish empire. There were military generals from Finland like Torsten Stålhandske, there were noble families in Finland and there were military troops from Finland who fought together with the Swedish soldiers and the european mercenaries for the Swedish king on the european battlefields.

Our victories are also yours. Hakkapeliitta etc

You finns should embrace our common history

>>79382054
desu, we're just very, very lazy.

>>79382643
>I do, i like Hungary.
We don't really deserve it, but it's very nice to hear that man.
>Slovak nationalists didnt want to separate from Hungary at first, they just wanted autonomy and to make Slovak official language, they have chosen this flag because they didnt want to throw 900 years of history into trash.
Yeah, it was unfortunate that we bought into the nationalism meme. For most of its existence Hungary was a multi-ethnic country. Turning our back on that was a mistake.
>Partly true, i like the castles churches and architecture in general. But Slovaks dont really see Hungarian or A-H history as our own
I think you could. Sure in the 19-20th century we were at opposing ends, but before that we did get along just fine and lived in peace. Slovaks did contribute to the flow of Hungarian history too. Our most famous poet (Petőfi) was of Slovak origin, just to bring up an example.

>>79383560
Hakkapelitta is a meme, they were no different from the rest of the swedish cavalry

>>79382594
You have to go back, fucking ryssä.

Russia never gave us anything. Jägers drove the Russian soldiers (thieves) out of Finland.

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While I agree that we don't have a history would could brag about, you should really consider the following.

>>79383658
>t. germanicuck and proud

Russians gave us autonomy, without them Finland wouldn't exist.

>>79382316
>cucked by Rome
Todays Balkan nations came here in the 6-7th century, so no.

>cucked by Byzantines.
The slavs pushed all the way to Constantinople during our invasions here. Croats have taken Dalmatia, and have allied themselves with the Byzantines. Serbs have btfo'd Byzantium in the 14th century, and Bulgarians were known to be efficient at killing Byzantines (so to speak).

>Cucked by Turks for nearly all of history
Croatia and Slovenia were never conquered, others have resisted through their time against the occupation and later have genocided the Turks from their lands.

>and then cucked by Austria-Hungary
THE EMPIRE WAS THE GREATEST FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!! GOTT ERHALTE FRANZ DEN KAISER

>>79382790
If you don't have a cake, don't cry because you can't eat it. Be happy that you still can bake one!

Get some refugees while they are still good. Soon the starving Africans arrive and "whoops sorry, Sweden is full to the brim with educated Syrians and motivated Afghans".

Having a good life > Having a rich history

>>79383648
No. but they were a part of our army. There were always finnish soldiers and generals in our army.

>>79383658
The USSR did aknowledge our independence though. Overall Russia has been a better neighbor than sweden, you're just butthurt about "muh talvisota"

>>79383659
>/int/ in a nutshell

HORRIBLE thread.
No matter who you are, if you posted in this thread you should feel ashamed. I have not seen a single bright idea in this thread. Not by those who defended OP's idea, not by those who disagreed.
Fucking hell.

>>79383659
>>79383777
Might as well miscegenate with niggers if stuff you share with others shouldn't be taken pride in.

>>79383696
All you ryssäs did was this.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Finland

You tried your best to kill us all multiple times. You're the worst. Kill yourself.


You ryssäs are all thieves and murderers.

>>79383785
Not an argument

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>>79383659
So, that's why nationalists are more often lower class than non-nationalists.

>>79383659
I think that historical pride (and culture ofc, such as a unique language) is needed to keep the bond between people within an ethnic group.

I dont like these kind of ultra liberal meme quotes.

>>79383864
Nationalism was a bourgouise/upper class thing in the 1800's and early 1900's.

Today its more of a working class thing.

>>79383807
>implying swedes didn't do this for hundreds of years

>>79383864
Communists are also lower class and they don't feel pride in anything

>>79383807
Fennoswedes wouldn't exist if Swedification never was a thing.
>You tried your best to kill us all multiple times
Swedes too undoubtedly killed many of us when they conquered our lands.
>You ryssäs are all thieves and murderers.
They aren't any different from Swedes in that regard.

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>>79383807
Russians are everywhere along the eastern baltic coast. Whenever I see an estonian, finnish, latvian or lithuanian flag speak positively about Russia, I know its the eternal Russian behind that post.

>>79383756
Lol, Stalin was personally turning the vote in the Finnish Commie meeting for the Civil War. Finnnish Commies didn't want it. Russians placed troops here to fight against the legit goverment right after that so called acknowledgement.

If I have to choose between Russia and Sweden for the better neighbour, it's Sweden no doubt. I'd rather have ISIS than Russia as a neighbour. Russia has never brought anything good and they are horrible people.

You can't even be a Finn if you don't know these simple facts.

>>79383867
Obviously, but ideally, the pride should first and foremost stem from the individual, not a group.

Those who fling shit and truly get emotional in threads like this base a lot of their pride to nationality they happen to belong.

>>79383280
Surely Finnish intellectuals and philosophers to rival the likes of Tesla and Nietzsche would've spawned by now if what you said was true.

>>79383963
Thank fuck Russians destroyed you, a superpower with the arrogance of Sweden would've lead to a nuclear war by now.

>>79383981
Swedes genocided you though, and Russians freed you from going extinct by the Swedes

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>>79379535
>They had Great Moravia.
Czech state which conquered Slovaks.

>>79383905
They didn't. Finnish was taught in schools and the local officials needed to be Finnish speaking in Finland. Sweden actually never had a program to wipe out Finns like the Russians had. On the contrary Kustaa Vaasa send military aid to support the Savonian expansion to the east which secured more land for Finns.

All Finns have been wiped out from Russia.

>>79383959
>Fennoswedes wouldn't exist if Swedification never was a thing.
Tell me about the program for that. That's right, there isn't one because Finns sat in the parliament in Tukholma too.

>They aren't any different from Swedes in that regard.
They are tho. E.g. slavery never existed in Sweden in the first place.

>>79383963
I hate the 1800s racial shit of Sweden which in some ways still is present today's Sweden. It is absolutely ridiculous but at least it's not the official policy. In Russia the biggest holiday is about celebrating attacking Finland.

Swedish Empire times weren't that bad at all. Criticising Swedes/Sweden for the post/end of the Swedish Empire times is fine since there's legit ground for it but falling for the memes of "le based Russian cocksucker historian" is useless.

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>>79384141
You seem to forget that there haven't been many Finns throughout the history.

If a man with an IQ of 160 lives isolated and alone all his life, he's not likely to contribute, but if he lives amongst other people (hence, have an access to already existing knowledge), he's very likely to contribute.

That's why most of the breakthroughs come from densely populated core-European parts.

>>79384300
Czechians and Slovaks both stem from Moravians, neither predated them.

>>79384282
It's the opposite.
>Luxemfuck
What the fuck would you know anyway.

>>79384369
>let me tell you about your country
no

>>79384322
> Racial shit
Explain

>>79384373
You should be worshipping him, he's a pure Germanic just like the Swedes you adore.

>>79379194
What about Finnish shamans and magic? It at least sounds really cool..

>>79384322
What? The goal of the russification wasn't killing anyone, but making Finland a permanent part of Russia by replacing its culture.

>That's right, there isn't one because Finns sat in the parliament in Tukholma too.
Yeah, the ten finnish farmers who had enough money to go to Sweden, the swedish priests and the swedish royals. Fennoswedes are the result of there being a swedish upper class, swedification.

>>79384441
> t. Vladimir Russolainen

kek modern day finns should be so thankful for Russians invading and killing their great grandparents during WW2.

>>79384429
Racial theories about Finns being inferior. Absolutely mental and insulting and legit grounds for criticising Swedes but it's stupid to start making shit up about other events in history because of that.

>>79384441
Go suck Lenin's dick, fucking Commie.

>>79383560
>>79383584
Hard to "embrace" it since the only reason your history is "our" history is due to your larger and more powerful nation subjugating us and making us part of the empire by force. It isn't exactly an achievement by Finns.

At least we have some of our pre-Swedish folklore and cultute left if no history or anything else... It is pretty sad though. I wish we had cool medieval history of our own.

>>79384322
>All Finns have been wiped out from Russia.
In Stalin's days.

>>79384322
>Tell me about the program for that.
It is a known fact that Swedish imperialists Swedified Finns, resulting in the anachronism known as Finlandswedes.
>They are tho. E.g. slavery never existed in Sweden in the first place.
That doesn't change the fact that they too were thieves and murderers.

>>79384522
kek, no one believes finns to be inferior to us today. Modern day racists look down on negroes, gypsies and arabs, not finns, jews or whatever might have been on the agenda 200 years ago.

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>>79384500
It's always the eternal swede trying to make finns and russians fight each other.

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>>79383659
>national pride = blind patriotism
>nationality isn't a quality belonging to yourself
Schopenhauer was clinically retarded, it seems. Not sure why he is a famous man if this is his level of intelligence.

>>79383899
nationalism in working class is just "we wuz"ing irl. it shouldnt be considered as nationalism desu. most bourgouise/upper class have a different approach to nationalism than simple "we wuz"ing.

lower class confuses escapism with nationalism due to lack of education and knowledge.

>>79384656
Go home Vladimir. Leave the nordic countries alone.

>>79384496
>What? The goal of the russification wasn't killing anyone, but making Finland a permanent part of Russia by replacing its culture.
Sure, they bagged Finns in rest of Russia and are you now saying even that would be okay?

>Yeah, the ten finnish farmers who had enough money to go to Sweden, the swedish priests and the swedish royals. Fennoswedes are the result of there being a swedish upper class, swedification.
>had money
Lol, the poorest fucks in Ilomantsi and shit had money for that. If you're referring to the rent farmers, then yeah, they didn't have rights to participate but even having non-nobles was very rare if not exceptional in Europe that time.

Priests being Finnish speaking or Swedish speaking in Finland wasn't ever that clear cut. Nobles were basically Swedish speaking after 2 generations.

>>79384500
Finns shouldn't suck up to either Swedes or Russians, this particular poster however is one of those Germanicist Finns who seek to annex Finland to Sweden.
>>79384522
Go get castrated by your Swedish overlords, cuck.

holy shit this butthurt against russians & swedes kek
its like nigs complaining about white people

>>79382883
>first country to give women suffrage

Finland, I think I have the answer to your "subservient cuck"-status...

>>79384701
Well our history surely isn't that different to many African nations, so it makes sense

>>79384683
Finland wasn't considered Nordic prior to the end of WW2, in fact Finns got sterilized in Sweden for not being just that a few decades prior.

>>79384554
And before.

>>79384560
>It is a known fact that Swedish imperialists Swedified Finns, resulting in the anachronism known as Finlandswedes.
Forcefully? Definitely no.

>That doesn't change the fact that they too were thieves and murderers.
No, that's not the culture. They have open dialogue about the past but even teenage Russians claim they had the right to steal from Finns.

>>79384567
Not saying that but some traces are still found. The point is that event or era is a legit source for heavy criticism but going full hurr durr on some of the earlier times is idiotic.

>>79384656
>muh innocent Russians
>they never wanted kill Finns

>>79384701
Well, yes. Finland is a literal third world country.

>>79384835
>Definitely no
Can you back this up with anything
>No, that's not the culture
We're not talking about modern Swedes, but the imperialist Swedes of the past.

>>79384786
Wasn't it Samis that got sterilised, not Finns? I'm aware Lapps are Samis, but isn't the average Finn distinct from Sami?

>>79382790
>culture
Finland has tons of writers and classical musicians etc. "le cultural" stuff that the common bydło does not care about. We also have a legacy of folklore and poetry
that spans way back to the time before Finland was a country or the Finnish people was a thing. Then there is the Sami tradition as well. How much "culture" do you need before you are satisfied.

>>79384909
Both did.

http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/kirja-esittelee-kansankodin-pimean-puolen-nain-ruotsin-rotuoppi-kasitteli-suomalaisia/686487/
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansankodin_pime%C3%A4mpi_puoli
http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/kirja-arvostelu/art-2000002795140.html

>>79384892
Well - it just isn't.

>>79384951
>moomin speak
You know full well I can't read that, but I'll take your word for it.

>>79384958
It is. Finland stayed neutral in the cold war.

>>79384983
Put it through Google Translate or something.

>>79384909
Every group got sterilized at that time. Finns, Swedes, Samis, gypsies, etc.

We had an eugenics program too.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugeniikka#Suomi

>In Finland, in 1935, a law was passed that the disabled and mentally ill could be subjected to forced sterilization on certain grounds without the consent of the subject. Sterilization was abolished in 1969. In the period 1935-1970, more than 7500 people were sterilized in Finland for more than 3,500 people, including about 43,000 medical, more than 3,000 social and 2,000 others.

t. google translator

>>79385029
>Swedes sterilised Swedes

>>79385085
Just like Germans sterilized non-suitable Germans, we sterilized non-suitable Finns, etc.

I think we should bring back eugenics because socialism degenerates population in a long term.

>>79385029
You can't equate the two though, in Finland only mentally disabled people got sterilized whereas in Sweden anybody who didn't fit their Nordic Aryan ideal, namely Samis and Finns, got sterilized for that alone no matter how normal they were otherwise.
>>79385085
He's obviously a Fennoswede.

>>79385008
It isn't because today Tuesday. Both of these things are equally relevant.
Finland wasn't actually neutral anyway, we played for both sides in the Cold War.

>>79385085
Yes, those who were considered to have low morale, those who were dumb, had mental illnesses etc were sterilized.

>>79385233
>low morale
what did he mean by this

>>79385194
>Suomessa steriloitiin yli 7500 ihmistä rotuhygieenisten, noin 43000 lääketieteellisten, yli 3000 sosiaalisten ja parisataa muiden syiden perusteella.
>7500 rotuhygenieenisin perustein

Kannattaisko lukea ennen ku postaa mitään? Ja en oon rantahurri.

>>79385275
That you NEETs should be killed or sterilized at the very least.

>>79385311
>Rotuhygienia ei tässä yhteydessä missään nimessä tarkoita sitä, että ihmislajista olisi pyritty karsimaan pois tiettyjä rotuja. Se tarkoittaa, että väestön sisällä pyrittiin karsimaan pois perinnöllisiksi, huonoiksi ja ei-toivotuiksi miellettyjä ominaisuuksia. Tällaisia olivat tietyt sairaudet tai tietynlainen käytös, historian tohtori ja Suomen historian dosentti Markku Mattila kertoo.
Meepäs nyt vittuun siitä.

>>79385360
Ja miks toi ei voi tarkottaa samaa sitten ruotsissa? Aikamoiset tuplastandardit sieltä

>>79385477
Oisko vaikka siksi, että

>Ruotsalaisen rotuopin mukaan esimerkiksi suomalaiset, saamelaiset ja slaavit eivät olleet yhtä puhdasrotuisia ja seka-avioliittoja heidän kanssaan ei suositeltu.

>>79385477
Suomalaisa steriloitiin ihan koska olivat suomalaisa

Tässä pitäisi tietää Ruotsissa tuohon aikaan vaikuttaneet "natsi tieteet"

Joku voisi vetäistä päätelmän: Ruotsalaiset ovat heikko rotu, joten voidaan karsia geenipoolista.

>>79385275
As an example, women who were promiscious, didnt work and used drugs

>>79379194
>making sweden butthurt JUST by existing
lmao id say that's bretty good