>doesnt collapse despite at least 30 years of "scholars"

>>79187374
I can't wait for them to take over.

>can't be stopped
>runaway debt

thought germans were smart

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>>79187374
Some more:

>diplomatically successfull, despite all the naysayers, have achieved transcontinental integration with the New Silk Road/Belt and Road Project
>Acquisitions of western harbours and trade-posts highly successful, Piraeus in Greece operates on all time high and single-handedly saves the Greek household
>Splits the EU apart because economically so powerful and all depend on them, so that West EU cannot even push through a joint declaration against their human right problems because Eastern EU members are in their pockets already
>US-containment basically failed, SCS is dominated by China uncontested, USN destroyers sink themselves or run into tankers
>enemies and rivals like Philippines and Japan have to concede to them because of their own powerlessness
>domestic dissidents and seccessionists are busy making themselves into laughing stocks ie. Staple-Gate/identity politics
>Taiwanese pro-independent party is has only 30% support because shit economy and scandals resulting from bad relationship with China

inb4 t.Zhang

This is all I can gather from observation alone.

source:

https://www.technologyreview.com/lists/companies/2017/
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/chinas-services-sector-now-the-largest-part-of-the-economy-is-chugging-along-nicely-2017-2
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3194574/hardware/china-adds-a-quantum-computer-to-high-performance-computing-arsenal.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/china-s-quantum-satellite-achieves-spooky-action-record-distancehttps://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/china-uses-quantum-satellite-to-transmit-potentially-unhackable-data.html
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-gets-canadian-help-to-take-on-china-in-supercomputer-race-a-perfect-world-for-d-wave
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/world/europe/greece-china-piraeus-alexis-tsipras.html?mcubz=1

>>79187374
Kremlinbots hard at work.

>>79187444
Debts are indeed an issue, but their nature is different compared to our debts.

Just one word: State owned Banks.

https://www.unz.com/article/chinas-financial-debt-everything-you-know-is-wrong/

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>>79187549
You mean,

Zhongnanhai-bots hard at work.

>>79187374
China will never be able to reach the american standard of living. The world simply cannot support it. So sure they can be powerful but the average chinese still lives a pretty impoverished lifestyle. As the chinese attempt to build thier middle class, american companies will pull out and find a different shithole to make their shit. Same thing happened to Japan

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>>79187607
America already has pulled out their cheap producers from China, since their wages are already too high for the razor thin margins that they operate on.

Instead, Chinese manufacturing is producing higher value added goods and attracts investments because they have the perfect infrastructure and the rare case of possessing the entire production chain for any product due to their own solid manufacturing base.

A look at their exports would tell you that. Not clothes or toys, but computer parts are their forte now.

>>79187556

that's even worse. Private debt is part of a health free market. Public debt is always tied to corruption.

>>79187697
Not a problem when you control your own central banks and your currency.

Also very significant that I forgot to mention:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-china/saudis-may-seek-funding-in-chinese-yuan-idUSKCN1B413R

>Saudis may seek funding in Chinese yuan

Regime change in 3...2..1...

>>79187374
taboo subject, the official doctrine being, "communism never worked", "is something works, it is not real communism", "if something doesn't work, it is real communism"

>>79187694
But those jobs will eventually leave too once they become wealthier. Then they'll have to look somewhere else as the worlds largest consumer and i don't believe that the world can support that much need. The world has already been trashed with 2 billion rich consumers on it nevertheless another 1.8 billion

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>>79187374
That's one of my collages.

I've expanded it since then.

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>>79187874
Cool, but use some up-to-date pictures of chinese hardware next time.

Even a germ follows their military development more closely.

>>79187725
yeah because printing money has no consequence like Zimbabwe /s

>>79187494
>enemies and rivals like Philippines and Japan have to concede to them because of their own powerlessness
Y-yeah. We only conceded because we want a slice of that Silk Road project.

There's still 30% of the population that live with under $3.10/day
That's african tier

>>79187374
What's with all the PRC dick riding on this board. If the country was so great it wouldn't have so much recent diaspora. Even it's wealthy jump ship.

>>79187976
In any case, they should be careful not to end like Zimbabwe. That much I agree.

On the other hand, they do have an economy to back up their currency.

Debts are, as said, indeed a huge problem that needs to be tackled.

>>79187960
I like the black look.

China is in a massive economic bubble right now. Soon enough it's going to catch up to them

>>79187694
>A look at their exports would tell you that. Not clothes or toys, but computer parts are their forte now.
Really? Because with the exception of my Moto (owned by Lenovo) all the cheap manufactured stuff I have still says China and the more complex stuff doesn't.

>>79188044
That's about 20 Yuan.

Not much, but you can survive on that in lower tier cities.

The USD as measuring standard is often not really fitting for most purposes when it comes to purchasing power and living costs.

>>79188134
Then you havent looked careful enough. A lot of internal parts of every computer are made in China.

>>79187822
I know there are many definitions of communism but there is nothing communist about the Chinese economy. It's pure capitalist. It's like they kept the state control of communism and threw the rest in the trash.

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Based country.

>>79187374
>>doesnt collapse despite at least 30 years of "scholars" and "experts" predicting that it would.
This baffles me the most.

>China will end j-just like Japan, I swear...

>>79188131
this. central planning economy does not work

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>>79188228
I'll post some nice pics.

>>79188131
>the bubble is about to burst any moment, I swear!

>>79188228
>China will end j-just like Japan, I swear...

This cant happen because one reason alone:

Noone can force China to sign a Plaza Accord, because China isnt a slave to the USA unlike Japan (or Germany for that matter).

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>>79188270

BUT MUH EMPTY CITIES THEY GONNA GOLABSE ANY DAY

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>>79188301

>>79188228
>>79188273
Jews has no power over there. Just look at how they make Hollywood bend their knees just so they can show films in China.

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>>79188270
>>79188301
>>79188338
Do you have more Chongqing?

I like that city. It looks so cyberpunk at times.

Ikibey, you're truly the saddest troll in /int/ history.

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>>79188476
>more
Haven't posted a single picture of Chongqing yet.

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>>79188506

>>79188543
>>79188506
nice thanks.

do you have a photogenic one of the mountainside disctricts?

>>79187374
In order for china to inherit the hegemony from USA, Democratization must take place first

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>>79188543

>>79188578
Except there is no indication that China even wants to inherit any of that.

They want a zone of influence, but cant be bothered to police the world.

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>>79188168
And the U.S. can easily cripple them just like we did to Japan with the Plaza Accord. The only other countries with middle classes that can afford those high value products are the Asian tigers and Western Europe.

Stop you gonna bait a lot of faggots here

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>>79188673

>ghost cities
>crazy debt
>economy based on manufacturing cheap clothes and plastic toys
>incompetent and corrupt leadership
>overrun by rural nongs
>every neighbouring country hates them
>can't build infrastructure that doesn't collapse

>>79188626
The reason why America holds the hegemony is not only economic factor but also cultural factor. China's ruling system can never exert cultural influence in other countries.

When economic development reaches a certain level, people inevitably ask for democracy. Then there will be a civil war in China and United States will not miss that opportunity

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Why is the West so concerned about the resurgence of China?

>>79188793
So it's been said, the US will never lose its superpower status so long as we can afford the best wages for scientists and engineers.

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These buildings are all very pretty, but what is life like for the average person there?

>>79188664
>And the U.S. can easily cripple them just like we did to Japan with the Plaza Accord.
Excepts it can't.

Japan was never even nearly close to the relative economic or political power of China compared to the US.

>>79188862
In t1 t2 cities life is same as that of the western world

>>79188826
because a Chinese hegemony is a threat to world peace and stability

>>79188862
Outside tourist areas, China looks like Eastern Europe at best and Africa at worst.

>>79188793
That's a very classical liberal modernization theory ala Lipset/Rostov/Huntington/Moore etc.

But they have been more or less refuted in academia. Not the least because of China, but also because the existence of hybrid regimes such as Singapore and, yes, even Japan whose system is a single-party state in all but name for 60 years straight.

>>79187374
While I agree that Westerners underestimate China and try to deny their prosperity. I wouldn't want to see a country that has worse sanitation issues than SEA
>tfw I ate some street food in Vietnam and Thailand
>nothing happened in my stomach
>tfw I ate some legit expensive food in the international airport in Beijing and some hotels around Chengdu and Chongqing
>get diarrhea and vomiting
All of these things happened in 2015. I wouldn't want some country who cannot deal with such basic sanitation issue to be superpower and shit
>>79188578
>Democratization must take place first
Nah they will just skip that and will enter into politics done by strong AIs.
also
>Chinese democracy
Based on what happened after Arab Springs where all those affected countries reverted back to civil war or some Islam fundamentalism, I am pretty sure that China will go full fascism with democracy

>>79188826
because the white man cannot accept a non-white nation to take the helm.

And a non-western, non-white nation, at that.

When Japan's rise necessitated that they castrate them via Plaza Accord, China's rise will force their hand in fueling civil war and military intervention.

Chinks don't have the capabilities to deploy on the other side of the world, not even via Navy.

>>79188826
Im scared because a consumerist china is a china that the world couldn't possibly provide for. Look at the world today. 2 billion wealthy westerners have already trashed the world with our lust for goods. Which is fine, but now imagine another 1.8 billion reach that level of luxury. The world would be a filthy, smoggy, plastic covered shithole

>>79188908
In imperial times, the countries surrounding China were their vassals/tributaries and they would like this relationship to return. As such, most everyone in Asia wants American money/weapons to defend themselves from Chinese hegemonism, barring one or two exceptions like Cambodia and Pakistan (they only like China's money).

>>79188879
It was.

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>>79188908
You don't know that. US hegemony, on the other hand, has proven itself to be a threat to world peace and stability.

Don't they steal like all their tech memes and everything else of importance via corporate espionage in the US and EU - and, more easily, through the need for any company that opens there to have part chink ownership?

I get that they are doing quite well for having no souls and all that but lets not pretend that they are doing it all themselves and, more importantly, because of their political system.

And then you can throw in their complete lack of regard for the global ecosystem via doing whatever the fuck they want around the worlds oceans/africa - international law be damned.

>>79189000
How so? Do you think everybody would just get along if we hadn't policed the world?

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>>79188965
The U.S. will try but ultimately fail because it has a large amount of angry minorities that aren't going to take a bullet for white people.

>>79187374
t. smart german

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>>79188987
How come you are so ignorant to even compare these countries.

Go and look at basic data for both countries.

Protip: Japan is a fucking dwarf compared to China.

>>79188862
Big coastal cities are pretty good but still not the Western level of course, not even close. And most of the interior is pretty much shit tier. No one denies the fact that living standards in China aren't good yet. It's that they've been drastically improving.

>>79189202
>Ikibey
>German
Dude...

>>79187374
China already collapsed at the 2015 year, they are just good on maintaining face

>>79189208
Japan is still wealthier and their economy is still in the top 5. Your shilling can't deny reality.

>>79188914
Japan and Singapore do not seem to be a suitable example to discuss Hegemony, and rather Japan is economically and socially unstable because of LDP's long-term political power.
Especially, cultural influences of Japan are limited to subculture like cartoon.

If you study Chinese history, they usually have a gigantic civil war every 90 or so years. It'll happen again eventually.

>>79189300
t.Hegel

>>79188839
Of course, it would be best for them if democracy develops peacefully in China. But I don't think so.
In Korea, democracy occurred relatively peacefully because of USA's pressure, but china will not

>>79189374
as I said (>>79188930 , I am not the same guy you just replied), i am pretty sure that china will have some crazy fascist period with democracy. i don't think chinese democracy is good for the world and i wouldn't understand why the west pushes for that. they do the same mistake in the arab world and only ended up having some anti-west islamist regimes

>>79189243
>ikibey

who's that? that japanese half-breed who wishes he was a chink?

>>79189499
The Greek übermensch

>>79189289
Yes, if your variable is Hegemony, then you are right.

I just argue that China doesnt want any Hegemony outside their own zone of influence.

>>79189285
>t. Takeshi

>>79189426

if the american people cant be trusted with democracy (trump) then i wonder to what extent all the mooks in china could fuck shit up if they had a vote - you need education and perspective to vote and i doubt they have much of that

even worse would be the fact the media and internet is already controlled heavily (comparatively) and things are only going to get worse - which means whoever is in control of that shit at the time gets to decide what happens

if the russia memes are true then they have proved that concept of control and whats more they did it against a relatively rich nation - so there is no doubt that whatever chink technocrats get to oversee their "democratization" will be able to do whatever the fuck they want from day 1 by manipulating information

>>79189374
They will just point at India and laugh at the idea of billion strong democracy which turns into democrazy where nothing gets done.

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>>79189141
No. What I claim is that the Chinese model of domination might possibly be more beneficial for mankind.

U.S. hegemony is based on the global financial system it has imposed on the rest of the world(dollar, IMF, World Bank) and on its prevailing military, especially the navy which secures the freedom of navigation. And here are two "bad" things.

First, sure US, Western Europe and Japan are well off. But the rest of the world not so much. Some countries seem deliberately left out of it. Much of the globe isn't really developing.

And while U.S. hegemony has generally been "peaceful and stable", still there were some conflicts which claimed hundreds of thousands of people's lives. Some of them could be attributed simply to American imperialism(Iraqi War).

What China does is to promote global trade and cooperation. They are building new Silk Road. Investing billions in Central Asia, South Asia, Africa. Building infrastructure. Read about One Belt One Road initiative, if you haven't already.

Of course, they are stretching their muscles in the South China Sea, but I find it much more justified than US invading countries halfway across the globe.

>>79189586
Yes, I totally agree with you. I can only see Chinese democracy being some total wacky stuff. Just like trying to oust Hussein and Assad resulted in ISIS, I can only suppose Chinese democracy will bring some nutjobs worse than CCP to the West

I think the West should realize that imposing democracy on non-Westerners only result in worse outcome. It's like the West is encouraging non-Westerners to throw out dictators who are more willing to compromise with the West then replace them into some radical demagogues who will go full against the West

>>79189646
This

>>79188978
That was when the rest of the world didn't have jack shit compared to what was already in China. Tributary status was mostly for acknowledging Chinese superiority and not really throwing any weight around. Cracks only started showing when the Qing hit a Malthusian trap and Europeans discovered something that people in China wanted (opium).

There are no substantive parallels between now and then; China wants resources that it cannot obtain within its own borders. It also wants to ensure a steady flow of goods in and out of the country. The efforts of the Chinese government are directed toward maintaining internal stability (and the position of the CCP) by mollifying the populace with the promise of ever-improving standards of living. As the Chinese economy grows and the influence of the PRC expands ever outwards, they will probably run into the same intractable problems as those encountered by other imperialists.

>>79189528
He made this thread out of butthurt after losing an argument in a Russia Internet Defense Force thread.

>>79188984
Im tired of this meme. The western powers were historically imperial colonialists, am I to assume that if Britain were to return to its former glory it would want to relive its history?

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>>79189285
>Japan is still wealthier and their economy is still in the top 5. Your shilling can't deny reality.

The reality is that Japan has a vastly smaller population, area, economy and much weaker military.

kek

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>rapid industrialization of a nation with 2 billion faggots is a good thing guys ur just jealous
this globe is done once india/africa/china reach peak pollution levels. you know they don't give a fuck

>>79189779
Ask a Vietnamese poster sometime about Chinese hegemonism.

>>79187607
Americans already have a dogshit standard of living and China will have well surpassed that soon enough. They already have more than your entire population living far above the average in the US, and people are living in constant debt.

But keep desperately holding onto the classic American delusions while the rest of the world moves on.

>>79189426
It was not to propagate democracy that the West invaded iraq and libya. That's because they had oil.

Arab Spring was relatively peaceful in Tunisia without oil. Korea and Japan also do not have oil.

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>>79189800
>china, india, and eventually africa are seni-developed and output massive polution
>the earth gets pissed and bitch slaps america with hurricanes over and over

>>79189815
Which is a constructed antagonism that has little basis in times that are not prehistoric.

Vietnamese ruling dynasties were allied with China and the only times when the Chinese invaded were either when they were ruled by the Mongols (who were dicks to everyone) or when a deposed Vietnamese King asked for support to restore power.

>>79189929
The west invades to preserve stability against terrorism. China invades for territory.

>>79189696
Im not worried about China as a hegemon. Im worried about china as a consumerist nation. The world can't support 4 billion consumers without absolutely using up what we have left of our natural resources. A developed china would hurt the world more than it would benefit

>>79188778
We talking about America here? The recent housing collapse has left the country with millions of abandoned houses.

>>79189646
Democracy does not simply mean governance, and for true democracy, economic situations, media, and national education should be supported. Today, India doesn't.

>>79189929
What about Egypt? They elected Islamist president then reverted back to military junta a lot because the Islamist president didn't get that much public approval. Also that Islamist president was a lot more anti-West than Mubarak.

I don't care about whether democracy will make a country better or worse but the thing is bring democracy won't do the West any good thing and I often find the West imposing democracy on non Westerners often results in shooting their own foot

>>79189917
Are you retarded?
US gdp per capita: 57,000 USD
China Gdp per capita: 8,000 USD

The average american is pretty well off

>>79188908
That makes no fucking sense because China has no history of being an aggressively expansionist, world policing nation, unlike the USA.
Why do you faggots keep trying to project the way America operates onto China?

>>79190035
China as a consumerist nation would be nightmarish, but that's only when China becomes a democracy and the government has to respect human rights.

As of now, China is the only nation on earth to have ever limited its own population growth out of concern for resources and arable lands.

No Westener would ever kill his own children for the sake of preserving living space.

So, as long as China is ruled by technocrats who are willing to ask their people sacrifices unthinkable for white/western people, and continue to educate their people in confucian/communist ideology of self-sacrifice for the good of all, your nightmare wont come to pass.

Also, a rich China will invest in space exploration and resource exploitation in outer space. So, resources shouldnt be a problem for a wealthy nation. It is always for poor nations who cannot make the tech-jump and stagnate on their level of subsistence farming.

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>>79189789
And they still manage to be better than China. By 2050 they will still be in the top 10.

>>79189709
I want you to understand that we are flying towards a wall right now. In a future where the average chinese is economically equal to the american, the world would simply run out of natural resources.

>>79188978
China is already dropping their emission levels and heavily investing in green, renewable energy. They have gone through most of the heavy construction growth, which is why there has been a sharp drop in emissions, which is only going to go further down. They already produce less emissions per person than most European countries, for example.
You fears make no sense.

>>79189976
>Which is a constructed antagonism that has little basis in times that are not prehistoric
The last time China fought a war with Vietnam was after we did.

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>>79190223
>india higher than china
NOOOO I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS

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>>79190223
>higher than japan
w-we did it bros

>>79190198
I guess you have a point there. Only a communist country could truly throw enough towards space exploration to have it pay off because dempcratic societies are too self centered to undertake such a feat

>>79190029
>>79189426
honestly, I think that "the war for democracy" is ridiculous, too.

At least the democracy of Korea and Japan was made by the people's hands on the surface.

>>79189243
>Ikibey
You're just a fucking stupid burger desperate to try and discredit the op, bit lack the ability to do so rationally. Ikibey has only ever had hatred for pretty much all Asians. What an intellectually gutless little mongrel you are.

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>doesnt collapse despite at least 30 years of "scholars" and "experts" predicting that it would.
Scholars didn't expect the West to fall; China would certainly be in a pinch if you guys still had your balls.

>>79190238
Do you not understand that 70% of chinese citizens are impoverished at this moment? What happens if they are lifted out of poverty? In other words, what happens when another billion people start driving cars, buying electronics, traveling, owning more personal items? Do you think that the world can support that?

>>79190226
Sorry, meant to quote the post below you. Not sure how I fucked that up.

>>79190482
Np i was a little confused but i replied anyways :p

>>79190198
Not the same guy with the same flag and I kinda agree with your opinion. To the West, CCP is like Assad and leaders elected from Chinese democracy will likely to be something like ISIS to the West. Based on Chinese nationalism (kinda fueled by but also controlled by the CCP), I guess Chinese people will go full on fascism with unrestricted nationalist propaganda and will do a massive fuckup after having democracy

>>79190091
I have never argued that democracy must be achieved by Western powers
I think democracy should be made when people genuinely demand it.

>>79189739
Ikibey only ever makes threads about how Greeks are better than everyone else, alongside the occassional "w*Hite" tier thread that Turk (flag) has been spamming. This subject has literally fucking nothing to do with the shit Iki has spent years sperging out about and you're being incredibly intellectually dishonest to try and throw that ad hom at op, just because a thread about China which doesn't reflect your /pol/ tier delusions has you all triggered.

>>79190112
Purchasing power, you fucking moron.

>>79190427
China has been peaceful and enjoyed internal stability since the 90s, but that's not very much time at all considering the 150 years of turmoil preceding it. I mean, 25-30 years...that's fucking nothing at all especially in a country with 3000 years of history.

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>>79190223
>And they still manage to be better than China.
Stick to the subject retard, we aren't talking about living standards.

China is far more powerful and influential than Japan, if you argue with that provide some proofs, because any data I know seems to confirm that.

>>79190448
>Do you not understand that 70% of chinese citizens are impoverished at this moment?
No, they aren't. Do believe everything you see on Fox News? What the fuck?

>>79190519
I said in that way because you said Korea and Japan achieved democracy thanks to the US pressure.

What I am saying is doing so as we did in Korea and Japan wouldn't be beneficial to the West and the US at all, let alone whether it works or not.

And
>I think democracy should be made when people genuinely demand it
There's no way Chinese people want democracy. Based on my experience with Chinese international students in the US, they only want to make $$$$ by doing startup stuff in China, inherit their family business, or just simply escape China by immigrating to the US. I've met like 200-300+ Chinese students and nobody was interested in bringing democracy to China or whatever. Chinese people I've met, if they have any interest in democracy or human rights, had no interest in doing all the hard work to bring democracy in China and simply chose to immigrate to the West. I honestly think they will just skip democracy and will go straight to the phase where humans start to make strong AIs to run politics if that ever happens

>let's just copy usa in everything haha lol!

Yeah what a great country.

>>79190675
> I honestly think they will just skip democracy and will go straight to the phase where humans start to make strong AIs to run politics if that ever happens

Coincidentally, they are heavily investing into AI.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/chinas-artificial-intelligence-revolution/

>>79190610
To believe that the average chinese citizen who lives on 3$/day could possibly live the lavish lifestyle of any western citizen is delusional.

Fuck China

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>>79190448
>What happens if they are lifted out of poverty? In other words, what happens when another billion people start driving cars, buying electronics, traveling, owning more personal items?
You realize that it's been already happening for quite a while, right?

>>79189917
Have any of you fucking faggots spent time in China? I run a warehouse in dongguan. It's fucking filthy, impoverished , and desolate.

Aside from the 3 teir 1 cities it's an absolute cluster fuck of a country. Everyone knows the central government can clean sections of Beijing or stimulate the hell out of local economies through inane construction. But the vast , vast majority of people have no means to afford what they are selling.

The real truth is no one knows how fucked the country is except for the communist led government.

>>79190223
>India going that far
If their state projects like HAL Tejas is any indication they are not gonna get far.

>>79190883
>Have any of you fucking faggots spent time in China?
We all know diaspora like that Australian poster are massively more patriotic and delusional than people who actually live in the cunt in question. :^)

>>79190870
It hasn't reached western levels of consumerism yet.

>>79190622
You talked about Japan's economic power. Of course Japan wasn't as politically strong as the U.S. No one ever argues for that.

>>79188176
>It's like they kept the state control of communism and threw the rest in the trash
that's just fascism

>>79190091
Suppose the West invades the Middle East for "democracy". Middle Eastern people do not know about the concept of abstract democracy, instead, they will see a family dying in front of their eyes. then of course, they will be against "democracy"

>>79190675
Currently, Chinese government is under strict control of the press, assembly, and education. so chinese were not educated about the value of democracy and do not enjoy freedom of expression. Since everyone wants freedom in every way, present values of the Chinese will not permanent. In fact, Koreans used to think like chinese in the past

>>79190056
America's housing market is so hot now that we have the luxury to complain about gentrification and living wages.

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>>79190883
This is how the average person outside of some parts of Beijing/Shanghai/Canton lives.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-alibaba/mexico-signs-e-commerce-deal-with-chinas-alibaba-group-idUSKCN1BH2DQ

>>79190675
Chinese are agnostic when it comes to politics. There is nearly zero discourse in their country and it's actively encouraged not to discuss political matters. In order to form a political party it must first be approved by the communist party.

Chinese are easy to bully and cheat, it's almost a sadistic ritual to have your own friends rip you off (viewed as being clever). In fact aimlessly lying is a cutural pass time there.

>>79191054
>celebrating because you ditched your american pimp for a chinese pimp

>>79188176
Not at all. China still has very much a planned top-down economy where the state owns everything of value.

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>>79191040
No.

This is how an average farmer in China lives.

>>79191040
and yet china still has a better gini score than USA

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>>79191145
Average middle-class neighbourhood.

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>>79190680
>let's just copy Germany in everything but with 4 times the population haha lol!
>let's just copy USA in everything but with 4 times the population haha ror!

serves you right to get fucked you fucking zerg fuck

http://www.businessinsider.com/6-things-us-stole-from-germans-during-wwii-2015-5?IR=T

>>79191147
Poor in America = upper class in China

>>79191218
>start war
>lose
>get occupied
>why u steal our stuff so unfair

>>79191009
>this guy think the West bombed Egypt during Arab Spring
And yet Egypt became anti-West after that.

Anyway, non-Western democracy put by the West is mostly trash. It is some outdated propaganda that doesn't work and, even if it works, brings nothing or adverse outcome to the West

>>79191029
Not really, all the Chinese students I've ever met understood the West very well and were educated in the West. Yet, they were not really interested in bringing this to the West. They are not like Koreans where people made a lot attempt to bring democracy even back in 70's and 80's when a lot less people went the West to get educated and stuff. I mean attempts to bring democracy such as protests are not without some elites or well-educated people who want democracy and are willing to educate the value of democracy to populace.

In Korea, that was certainly a thing, i.e. there were elited and educated people who were interested in making the public to go toward democracy.

In China, from what I have seen, those elites and educated people (students, professors, etc) were never interested in actively bringing democracy to China and educate democracy to the mass and rather interested in getting some good business opportunities when they have such things.

>>79190730
Hopefully we the West get to develop strong AIs and replace human politicians with strong AIs faster.

>>79191115
Yea, they are never interested in politics. They are interested in their own personal gains and don't really give a damn about politics

>Debt's so bad even China bankers call it a 'bubble'


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/news/debts-so-bad-even-china-bankers-call-it-a-bubble/articleshow/60386336.cms

To be honest, I think the United States has a very small number of political parties that compared to having a nickname of being the democracy leader. Clearly america is not the best democracy. but they are better than current china

>>79191225
can a poor in america send his children to, say, oxford? because upper class in china can

>Fifteen years ago, if you added up the gross domestic product of all China’s 31 provinces, you’d get a number more than 10 per cent larger than the official national total. By around 2019, the country will “nearly eliminate” that gap, according to Sheng Laiyun, chief economist of the National Bureau of Statistics.
The authorities are shifting to the latest United Nations-based statistical standard, gathering more comprehensive data from a major census next year, and cutting local interference and double accounting by computing GDP for the provinces instead of relying on their own reports, Sheng said in an interview in Beijing. Output reported by 31 provinces last year totalled a mere 3.7 per cent more than the statistics bureau’s figure for national GDP.

>>79191248
Tiananmen Square effectively squished any political activism in China for the next 2-3 generations.

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>>79191122
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2109674/stronger-china-relations-underline-mexicos-look-east-policy?platform=hootsuite

>>79190562
he is butthurt and obsessed af
he thinks behind every german flag is someone with russian ancestry
bt i am not op, neither i have posted in both threads, just lurking
still funny how easy one can recognize him, because he regularly chimps out about this topic

>>79190223
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHahahaahahahahahaa

>>79190883
Thread should have ended here.

>>79191115
>There is nearly zero discourse in their country and it's actively encouraged not to discuss political matters.

Uh, no. We discuss politics all the time and there are entire online (and offline) communities that solely discuss domestic politics. There are fewer about foreign politics of course, but still some.

t. From Xi'an studying in USA

>>79191262
Democracy is a meme, and the unquestioned belief in democracy is the result of brainwashing.

Historically idemocracy only ever existed for brief periods of time between authoritarian periods and the majority of the most successful countries is history were also not democratic.
Democracy in and of itself is useless. From a pragmatical perspective its sole purpose is to keep those in power in check so that they will govern the country well and when there is a superior alternative to fulfill this purpose this alternative should be pursued.

>>79191514
Who is we? The few government monitored netizen wumao online forums? Go to a local restaurant and see if anyone has a political opinion.

You have no political freedom in China.

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>>79190883
>Have any of you fucking faggots spent time in China? I run a warehouse in dongguan. It's fucking filthy, impoverished , and desolate.
>dongguan

American,
Dongguan's house prices are higher than the average American's.
Did you get the name mixed up or are you talking about 2005?

Democratic government is actually just the end result of increased prosperity and an educated population. Poor, shitty countries invariably become authoritarian because an ignorant people cannot be free by definition.

>>79191197
the average chinese lives in a hotel resort?

>>79191579
I have employees renting apartments for $50 a month in dongguan.

It's called a housing bubble you complete fucking retard. Not even Chinese people would justify their housing prices as proof that their standard of living increased. It's just your run of the mill gambling scheme and everyone is aware of the bottom.

Seriously which parts of dg are you in now that have convinced you of any sort of improvement?

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>>79191660

>>79191660
looks japanse

>>79190562
I remember there was one Chinaboo German poster who had visited China, but I don't recall his posting style being like the German flag in here or him being this much of a CCP shillbot.

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>>79191686

>>79191514
Two questions to ask

1. when I talked to Chinese students that 'doesn't China have some discrimination against Henan or something?' (I wasn't interrogating, I just asked that I heard it from somewhere) or some other political topics, they simply said 'uh I dunno' or 'uh I dunno and I dont give a crap' attitude. I talked with at least a few tens of students one-on-one basis and it was in the US. Do Chinese simply unwilling to discuss political topics with foreigners at all? I got along with those Chinese students I talked without any problem otherwise but all of them just diverted their attention away when I brought political stuff. (funny they were asking some political stuffs in my own country tho) I am not even white (Korean)

>>79191561
I kinda agree with this. Democracy, while the best (or least worst) way to keep people with power in check, is not some holy grail that should be sought after at any cost

>>79191759
forgot to add another one

2. what is your opinion on THAAD placed in Korea (and CCP's reaction to THAAD) or whatever?

>>79191759

>>79191642

>>79191688
It's distinctly Chinese tho, look at the side walls of this small building(room?) on the left.

>>79191252
>bad debt bankers who make money from more bad debt

Ahh yes very credible

Meanwhile, those who put their money where their mouth is and doubt China =
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-23/esg-china-fund-drops-62-as-candlewood-puerto-rico-pool-jumps-9
>A hedge fund at Emerging Sovereign Group that has bet against the Chinese economy sunk about 62 percent this year through April.

>>79191561
>>79191759

i agree, too

>>79191297
More like third world countries tend to suck at GDP calculations.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/04/economist-explains-2
>ON SATURDAY, April 5th, South Africa was Africa’s largest economy. The IMF put its GDP at $354 billion last year, well ahead of its closest rival for the crown, Nigeria. By Sunday afternoon that had changed. Nigeria’s statistician-general announced that his country’s GDP for 2013 had been revised from 42.4 trillion naira to 80.2 trillion naira ($509 billion). The estimated income of the average Nigerian went from less than $1,500 a year to $2,688 in a trice.

>>79191642
Increased prosperity is the result of the free market and democracy is the market principle applied to government, just that there is no one to stop the formation of monopolies.

Which cities of China are basically first world?

Countries in the Middle East can't be functional democracies because they're just too poor and lack an educated population.

>>79191575
All of my 20-30 year friends. We talk about politics at our bar all the times with beers.
Of course we can't say we want to break the Party. Everything lower is okay though

>>79191657
You sound irritated at little things you cannot change

>>79191688
Chinese traditional culture is copied from Japan after all.

>>79190223
>Using PPP
WEW
Real men use GDP nominal, PPP puts massive weight into population. Japan is still the 3rd largest economy in the world in 2050 in that measure, above India.

>>79191918
A few tourist parts of the coastal cities. That's about it.

>>79191955
Nominal changes all the time because it doesn't take into account the different currency values.

Can't wait for the chink real estate collapse, the pros and cons of building mega ghost cities.

>>79191939
As for political activism, there are hundreds of riots, demonstrations, and strikes in China every year that the CCP covers up, mostly over poor living conditions, wages, or corrupt officials.

>>79191759
Henan people are provincial and poor and uneducated. Many women think they are dangerous.

That's what coastal chinese say though. In China, the more developed your province the more your province looks at less developed provinces in disgust

Many chinese don't have good english. We can not speak with confidence and many politics topics make us feel uncomfortable. A lot of americans ask us about controversial issues and we don't have confidence to respond properly

If you want to ask me anything, i would be fine telling you my thoughts

Do you have weibo?

>>79191918
Shanghai, Macau and the Pearl River Delta
that's it

>>79191973
That doesn't mean PPP isn't worse. No one considers China as the largest economy in the world right now, or Indonesia as the seventh largest, because PPP is a meme.

India is a democratic country and it is is also impoverished and not much better run than China, although in that case it has more to do with the extreme multiculturalism of India plus the massive population; it may be that any country above a certain population level is too big to ever be run efficiently.

>>79191955
>buying a kilogram of flour for $300 means I'm 1000 times as prosperous as someone who bought a kilogram of flour for $0.30
>nominal logic

>>79191999
I think my family joined a protest against new nuclear radiation facilities near our ancestral home
The government stopped the plans and now is moving it somewhere else.

Normally the poorest lose out
In a way though, the Party helps balance China because without it the poor provinces would get nothing while the coast would get rich off of the poor

>>79191248
1.
As I said earlier, >>79190064 (You) (You)
democracy is not simply a change in government.

and In the case of Egypt, the Mubarak regime, which was replaced in the Arab Spring, was not democratic at all. He was a corrupt president, and it became an good excuse for a coup for religious leaders and the military.

For that reason, Egypt has failed in its democracy, but you can not ignore the desire of the Egyptians for their democracy in the Arab Spring

>>79192077
Under Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao, all emphasis was put on the coastal cities while neglecting the interior, Xi Jinping apparently has tried to shift development away from the coastal cities.

>>79192091
What we are seeing now is most Egyptians being happy with their military dictator though. Al-Sisi is popular and competent.
He works for the rich and middle class against the poor and islamists.

Chinese see this in China. We are afraid of the poor so the Party works to please the people with money and power.
That's how the world seems to work, sadly

>>79191801
1. what I said was, even without the West bombing Egypt and stuff (rather, the West press and media kinda encouraged Egypt with democracy), democracy regime after Mubarak was Islamist and anti-West. Yea sure, they had desire for democracy. BUT was it good for the West? I dont think so.

The West imposing democracy to non-Western country =/= good for the West

That was the only point I wanted to make

2. I was saying based on what I have seen. Also, I have seen Chinese activists pushing for democracy in New York but they barely had any support among Chinese people living in New York. (where Chinese people will be a lot freer than in China). Even when I tried to talk with Chinese people in the US on one-on-one (so that Chinese community won't notice it) on some political topics, they weren't interested in that topic at all.

Again just my personal experience. But for what I have seen, I cannot really think if they are interested in democracy in the first place, considering that they never expressed any interest in adoping democracy in China even with a lot freer environment than in China

>>79192019
Is Henan kinda like niggers of China? (mb that applies to Uyghur from what I have seen...... they certainly have bad rep)

>many Chinese don't have good English.
Hmmm, the ones I talked with were Chinese students in Ivy League or Ivy League tier colleges (i.e. I noticed no problem when talking to them on other topics) but I guess they were still not too confident on how to respond. Kinda understandable tho

>>79192141
>Chinese see this in China. We are afraid of the poor so the Party works to please the people with money and power.
Populists emerge from time to time like Bo Xilai, they're quickly suppressed.

>>79192142
What are niggers of china?

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>>79192068
>"PPP largely removes the exchange rate problem, but has its own drawbacks; it does not reflect the value of economic output in international trade, and it also requires more estimation than nominal GDP."

>>79192141
In Iran in the 70s, the Shah was a similar representative of the small middle/upper class of the country and he repressed the poor fundamentalist Islamic peasants, unfortunately they won out and overthrew him.

>>79191248

2.
what was the Tiananmen protests?
Chinese are forbidden to mention about tiananmen.
It makes them more reluctant to talk about democracy.

even so, chinese's desire for democracy in tiananmen can not be ignored, and you can't conclude that they don't think about democracy just by looking at their looks.

>>79192171
Bo was a good man and he loved the people

China needs more men who love the people
We can not survive if money is the only goal for our people.

>>79192224
As a Chinese
One of many of course, i would say that many chinese want more democracy. But right now we actually have much democracy compared to the past

The Party says that more democracy is coming. Most chinese look forward to that
That's why so many support the Party even now. Most of the Party wants more democracy as well

But it won't be like in Europe

>>79192238
The guy was a one-time Red Guard and Mao nostalgiafag, the CCP suppresses real communists/Maoists now. There's still small, but noisy groups of them around.

>>79192141
Let me give you an example of Korea. In the 1980s, the Chun Doo-hwan regime slaughtered the citizens in order to take power, so he sought economic development to ease the public's reaction,
Thanks to it, Korea in the 1980s recorded the best economic growth in history.
But eventually in 1987, Koreans broke down his regime and achieved democratization.

>>79191939
>>79191939
I'm irritated with the delusion and deception inherent in Chinese culture. Chinese brush it off as a nuance, but it is the core of their weakness. You're a Chinese apologist trying to convince the outside world that things are alright. Yet, you're in the US trying to flee your polluted homeland. You cant figure out why it has failed again, and again.


Look at this thread of bitter displaced Chinese men.

>We talk about politics all the time, just can't question the party in public.
>Our home prices are skyrocketing, cannot afford a house that the government sponsored construction industry is selling.
>Our standards of living are improving, points to dongguan (a failing relic of the once booming softgoods industry)

Does the CCP provide every outgoing comrade a book of excuses?

BTW when you come back to China with your 300,000rmb degree , enjoy your 6000rmb salary.

>>79192457
Korea only became a democracy in 1992 though
The 1987 election was a charade and the military would have attacked if Kim had won, no?

Koreans in 1990's had $14,000 per korean
Chinese today have $8,000 per chinese

So maybe in the 2030's

>>79188664
hmm, I guess China is just another island without much resources and population.

>>79192522
There are 30 million Chinese overseas

1.45 billion Chinese in China
Can you explain to me how all chinese are leaving?
We emigrate even less today than in 1990 or 2000

>>79192591
It was relatively well-off college students and educated people in Korea that has brought democracy (because they are the ones who can educate lower class people on democracy) and Chinese people in similar position that I've met has no interest in doing so.

>>79192142
and you can imagine that if they are chinese studying in USA, they belong to a pretty upper class.

Basically, democracy is a system for the lower classes, and the elite children of the Communist Party executives may not feel the necessity of democracy

>>79187960
nice f22/35 ripoff lad

>>79191816
Investment is all about leveraging opportunity cost. If you 'bet against China' at the wrong time, you can still lose out even if over the long-term your prognosis was correct.

>>79192457
A family in Beijing with parents working as engineers can afford to send their child to the US for college. They are definitely not upper class.

>>79192631
Because they are not occupied by the US and living under US influence?

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an excellent country™

>>79192807
example of a country developing too fast while mentality of the ppl lacking behind.

>>79192598
certainly, the election in 1987 was an illegal election, but I think it was a miracle that Chun Doo Hwan gave up his regime. I can not think of any reason other than US pressure.

unfortunately, chinese in 1989 overlooked it and their democratization protests were trampled in Tiananmen

and Korea also took a long time to achieve democratization.
On the other hand, china is much larger than Korea and has a large population. they will take longer.

Ahhh the ol' PPP meme

>>79192885
or never, in the current sense of democracy

>>79192764
the tuition of American universities is overwhelmingly the best in the world,
and even Koreans who study in United States are children of above-average parents, if they are not immigrants.
chinese's case will be more than that

>>79192631
Moon Jae In was neither Western-educated nor properly college-educated when he fought to democratize Korea in the 70's-80's.

Much of South Korea's pro-democracy movement was launched by the poor and the domestic college age population while the upper class and old people supported the military regime.

>>79192713
You'd be betting against 45 years and counting of continous economic growth. If you were a "long-term bear" as you claim, in 1977, you'd be fucked today.

>>79192885
America supported Chun until the Cold War ended in 1989-1991. At that time we did not need a military-led South Korea anymore.

China will take 10-20 more years, but I see it coming. China still is a poor nation with many poor people. Even poorer than Korea in 1990

>>79192631
>>79193209
>>79193261

In fact, we are skeptical about democracy because it does not function normally. Koreans are skeptical about the change of politics by elections because politics are all one-sided, and it seems that Americans with a two-party dictatorship also look the same.

However, even though our democracy is not satisfactory, I do not think we can admire the regime of China 's oppressive one party dictatorship.

>>79193389
It's just oligarchs in two different forms, one has elections and the other doesn't.

I just don't want China to go full fascism after democracy (happens many times) if democracy ever happens

>>79192627
1990 .530mil
2000 .989mil
2010 1.68mil
2015 2.07mil

More immigrated in 5 years than in the 90's.

Just because you overpopulated and our immigration policies cant allow the entire country to leave doesn't change that you all desperately want to leave. It's a shitty country that overplayed it's hand. No one knows how bad things will become but historically you have been extraordinary at ruining yourselves.

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>>79187374
Good post
中国万岁
白人必败

>>79194387
Why are Americans so scared of China?

>>79194387
Dude, there's like a billion more chengs around today than in 1970
No wonder there are more emigrants.

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What do you call dis thing in ur cunt?

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>>79187374
>Arabs do the oil embargo
>Collapses
Huh...

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>>79194746
¿

>>79194714
We are receiving rich Chinese. They are fleeing a sinking ship and stashing their wealth in foreign countries.

>>79194695
They're subhuman people. Look at how they treat each other. They are simply dangerous to our way of life and incompatible with common decency. They are singlehandedly responsible for some of the worst human catastrophies.

Just because they overpopulated into becoming the world's factory doesn't mean they are irreplaceable. They offer so little to the world at this point.

As a business owner I'm happy to see things gradually turn worse in China. The government has one again set the stage for a spectacular fall. Rmb will drop, wages will fall, people will suffer. I will profit and have more Chinese peasants working for me.

>>79194898
>Calling people subhuman

>>79194714
I was just correcting little Chang's assertion that Chinese immigration is slowing in US.

>>79194823
Wanda CEO, leeco , whose next to run off with billions of stolen Chinese govt funding. This is going to turn into the world's biggest financial meltdown. I can't wait to visit more unfinished cities.

>>79194898
Jesus Christ how terrified are you of China? You're literally trembling in fear.

Just face it, your little show on the world stage is over.
You can call them all the names you want.

wtf I LOVE china now!

At least senpai notices us and tut-tuts every time we do a Defence White Paper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMVbd87JSM

>>79195041
Damn right we don't want China to gain power. It is frightening to see what a future with China would be like. Souless chinks deciding what's fair?

Luckily we have military and economic superiority by a long shot. We have clandestine UAVs that can put a small diameter bomb through xijinpings moonroof.

It's funny how Asians are so quick to band together against the white man, but really you all hate each other just as much. I look forward to killing as many of you as I can in an upcoming war.

Really it will never get to that point . Theres no expectation of growth in these soon uninhabitable countries. If you spend some time in mainland you can really start to see the desperation setting in . What will they build next to keep the growth up? More malls on government leased land?

>>79195188
>John Wayne's not dead, he's frozen. And as soon as we find the cure for cancer we're gonna thaw out the Duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off.

>>79187494
>enemies and rivals like Philippines and Japan have to concede to them because of their own powerlessness

Their proxy gov won the election.
We have no say in that silk road project
We are not even allowed to fish in out own waters

We are poised to have Africa tier debt thanks to them

>>79190883
Yes I lived there. I don't know if the coastal city I lived in was considered tier 1 or not but it was an excellent place to live and I'm trying to move back (but I am not teaching English lol)

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>>79187374
Their model is very good, and very effective. The only issue is if their economy actually takes a staggering hit.
For China's economy to fail, it would mean the failure of it's government as well, since it is the economic backbone of the entire state.

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>>79187374
>>79187374

>muh 中国 superpower

Please hold all my lel.
They're hardly a united nation ( seccessionist minorites that take up a lot of resources to keep their bufferzones in their orbit ), plus they're not even a regional power when surrounded by neighbours who do everything to keep their shit at bay.
The US, on its path to superpower, made sure that the country was firmly centralized ( it is, except for a few LARPing hipster Cascadians and Lone Star Texans ) and its neighbours didn't pose a significant threat to its expansionism anymore.

China is a LONG way from achieving that, if ever.
The next century will still be US dominated ( thank god ) and China will still spaghetti around geopolitically while its population still learns basic manners.

>>79195629
There's no particular reason to think the us model for success is the only possible one and also you won't like what the US has in store for Asia, however you'll probably realize this too late.

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>>79195713

I'm not saying "model for success".
To be a superpower you need more than a running economy. Look at the EU, look at Japan. What do they mean geopolitically?
They're neutered.
And China is neutered by its own overextension and having a shit political system that angers everyone who doesn't immediately benefit from its spoils.
Hong Kong is another case that shows even domestically people are fed up with the managerial CCCP. Buying yourself the loyalty of the people clearly only goes so far. Also, I know many Cantonese and even they say that the central government is afraid of Guangdong's tendencies to float away from the central authority.
Do you know any parts in the US where the government has to constantly involve itself and battle seperatists or avoid this to happen? No. The "south" is a relic not even many rednecks believe in. All they use that flag for is to show discontent with Washington and urbanites, but not with the US as a country as such.
So the US has all the time and resources in the world to focuss outwardly.

Unless of course you allow that trannies and alt right chinlets bring about a civil war, that'd be hilarious.

>>79195629
Taiwan number 1!

>>79187374
I'll trust Varoufakis over some random german armchair economist.

>>79187374
>a german sucking another country's cock
why am i not surprised?

>>79195629
china is very unified. In fact I've seen many minorities who are chinese citizens like kazakhs and koreans completely identify as chinese, zhong guo ren. Maybe you are mislead by a few loud uyghur or tibetan while the rest of uyghur tibetans are happy with their standard of living rising above what they would be by themself

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我想有中国女朋友!

我可以有的吗?

请给我

>>79187374
Mainland Chinese here, why do I feel like non-Chinese /int/nons is more patriotic toward China than actual Chinese /int/nons? It weird, because most of Chinese that I know who browse /int/ like me doesn't view PRC favorably.

>>79191955
>Real men use GDP nominal
No, you clearly don't understand what are these both indicators for.

When comparing standards of living, PPP is always used. Nominal GDP is for comparing general economic performance.

>>79187374
except their debt is 200% of their gdp

>>79189696
>Much of the globe isn't really developing.

The fuck are you on? Most of the non-developed world is developing faster than ever

>>79192051
You're retarded. No one is saying that PPP is better for comparing whole economies.

>>together with Russia, plays the US POTUS like a fiddle

Gee, what an accomplishment.

>>79189940
It's your karma for siding with the chinks in WW2 and basically serving them their new empire on a platter. Now it's too late.

>>79198609
usa is more than 200% desu . same japan

>>79187444
remind me how much debt the US owes

>>79190448
>Do you not understand that 70% of chinese citizens are impoverished at this moment?

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about retard

忽悠局的光辉已经照耀到了4chan里,同志们加油,继续吹

>>79190448
>70% of chinese citizens are impoverished at this moment
What the fuck lmao? I may not like the Chinese government but the majority of their population is not poor. Give them some credit for eradicating poverty at least.

>>79187374
>>income doubles, triples, quadruples; overtaking eastern europeans, greeks etc. last year with no end in sight.
Howling at Cheng and his delusions

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>>79202734
>I may not like the Chinese government but the majority of their population is not poor. Give them some credit for eradicating poverty at least.

>>79193389
>and it seems that Americans with a two-party dictatorship also look the same.
You can vote for anyone you want, nobody requires you to push the D or R button on Election Day. Trump is a third party guy for all practical purposes.

>>79198529
>Mainland Chinese here, why do I feel like non-Chinese /int/nons is more patriotic toward China than actual Chinese /int/nons?
Because they're the same brand of retards who thought Hitler's supermen would overtake us back in the day.

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>>79203026
What? You really think the poverty rate of China is 70%? It's not the 1980s anymore.

>>79203262

>>79190883
Talk to this guy, he's actually been to China.

>>79203240
Getting what you're paying for.
I'm fairly certain that all these western brands with manufacturing in china that put steel weights in their tools (especially powertools) to give that "premium feel" are much much worse.

>>79203299
Some anecdote doesn't mean the poverty rate is at 70%.

>>79203399
And official CCP "stats" are more credible, eh, Huang?

>>79203462
Haha, very funny!

>>79203399
Americans don't have educations, mate.

I mean, what do you do with a thread that has literal CCP propaganda copypaste in it?

>>79191561
>>79189000
>>79187494

>>79203581
I can tell.

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>>79191579
>>79190883
Grim.

I hope I die before we become China's bitch.

>>79192660
>>79192631
South Korea was a US ally, of course we pressured them into democratizing.

>>79196490
>>79196065
I'm guessing he's that Russian diaspora whose parents own a restaurant because he's always spamming anti-West rants.

>>79190223
Use either GDP PPP per capita or total nominal GDP. Everything else is for brainlets.

>>79187374
Yes
China will dominate the world
Caucasians, Blacks
Who can stand against the power tsunami of the Chinese Master Race
All will bow down in fear and awe

>>79194695
>Taiwan flag defending CCP
...

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>>79191561
>and the majority of the most successful countries is history were also not democratic.

I'm sure the DDR was a more livable, free place than West Germany, no?

>>79191248
>Hopefully we the West get to develop strong AIs and replace human politicians with strong AIs faster

Get offa /int/, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

China will have working escalators that don't eat people in 2050

>>79204688
Good joke

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>mfw even having more than a billion people, the average chink makes more money than the average huezilian

WAKE ME UP

>>79195713
>There's no particular reason to think the us model for success is the only possible one

Well, the anecdotal evidence would seem to indicate such.

>>79204688
By 2030, their military will have maybe caught up to a 2005-ish technological level.

>>79190448
>In other words, what happens when another billion people start driving cars, buying electronics, traveling, owning more personal items? Do you think that the world can support that?

It'll never happen anyway, no need to worry about that.

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>>79190674
>>79202734

>>79190883
Have you been to any other city in China? Dongguan exists solely for its proximity to Guang Zhou and Hong Kong with basically one industry to support the local economy. It's literally called the "world factory", no shit it's desolate. It's basically factories, warehouses and the adult industry to entertain the nearby city folks. It's like saying America is shit because Detroit and Atlantic city are shit.

Sure there is still a gap between countries, but picking the factory city is beyond unfair.