Are Native Americans the biggest cucks in history? They basically

Mestizos actually

>>79181335
Native Americans are a meme race tbqh.

>>79181335
Go back to /pol you retard

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>>79181335
I wish the natives here were more like Malinche

>>79181335
Only 10% of baptisms in 16th century Mexico are reported as "natural born" your whole cuck thing is a meme

>>79181482
Same thing only lighter and dumber

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>>79181615
>latin america's current population was basically created by european males fucking indian and black women
>also, what is coercion
Dummy

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>>79181793
>ywn be a conquistador
:^(

natives are literally white type of europeans and asians mixed

>>79182076
Go to Colombia (or really any LatAm country), they basically pimp their women over there.

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>>79182246
If I was rich I'd seriously be an expat in Brazil or Colombia. Too bad about all the murders.

>>79181793
meh, they were married by the church. In all fairness the economics of the time prohibited running a household without a partner you could trust so it wasn't like those were sham marriages for the most part. You might argue the women were first taken by force but hey Rome was founded in the exact same way.

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>>79181335
icelanders are high on the cuck-tier list. their entire history is them getting raped and pillaged, or blown away by volcanos and shit like that.

it's almost comical if you read the wiki page on icelands history. they were fucked in the ass like every 5 years it seems for their ENTIRE HISTORY.

>>79181335
No, the west itself is the biggest cuck in history. We let the jap conquer us with their communist chinese cartoons. Anime doomed us all.

>>79182508
>hey Rome was founded in the exact same way.
Literally science fiction but okay

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>>79182780
You are adamant it hapenned in Mexico despite documentation to the contrary but you don't find it plausible for Italy in the 6th century BC?

>>79181335
>They basically opened the door for Euros to conquer them and then gave their women to them.
>Being historically illiterate

>>79181335
Imagine a pale looking motherfucker landed on your beach with a boat so large that you thought your eyes were playing tricks on you. You observe the shiny metal clothes that they have from head to toe from behind the safety of the ubderbrush. Your loincloth begins to fill with shit as they march off the boat with big four legged creatures and pointy shiny spears. Then you return to your hut village only to find everybody lying on the ground with blisters all over their faces.

Wouldn't you want to negotiate in that situation?

>>79183172
Aztecs were also particularly afraid of horses iirc

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Say what you want about Indians, they were damn good fighters.

>>79183297
Yeah I think they thought the horse and the rider were one creature, like a centaur.

>>79182934
>documentation
Your "proof" doesn't contradict what I said, stupid. On the other hand there's accounts of Native women being raped by Euros and basically being traded as cattle AND literally any genetics study done on Latin America's population shows that we're largely descended of Euro men and Native/African women.

>>79183505
Genetics wouldn't prove anything

>>79183419
Only ones who actually put up a good fight were the Mapuche, Mayas and some groups in the American Southwest (don't know the specific names desu, Navajo? Apache?). All the other meh.

>>79183579
It does prove the cucking.

>>79183424
>>79183297
No, this one's been debunked, Spaniards lived in Tenochtitlan for months anyway. The Aztecs described horses as a type of deer, which for their experience was a good enough guess.

>>79183172
The people on the actual beach, Totonacas not Aztecs, attacked Spaniards in full force, Veracruz was founded as a fort to protect from them. Also the Smallpox epidemic didn't occur in that timeframe, the worst of it hit as fate would have it during the siege of Tenochtitlan.

>>79183419
>400 spaniards with 50 horses conquer a entire continent with hundred miles of warriors
>good fighters

kek

>>79183599
Historians speculate that there was a city in Indiana that was larger than London before smallpox and measles decimated everything. A lot of the tribes didn't want to fight because they knew that they would lose

>>79183641
>No, this one's been debunked
That's disappointing if true. I don't know why exactly, but it is.

>>79183696
hundred thousands not miles

>>79183634
No. The vast majority of Spanish people that went to the colonies were male. They weren't settler colonies like Anglo-America. Spaniards didn't give a shit about the race of people they were ruling over as long as the wealth was being extracted and Christianity was being spread.

>>79183714
If there was a city in Indiana larger than London whose inhabitants were killed by disease, why the fuck did we not find the city? I'm just another retard, not a historian or architect, but this seems difficult to believe.

>>79183599
You're thinking of the Sioux

>>79183641
Im just saying that the natives didn't really cuck themselves. The euros fucked them up

>>79183765
>architect
Archaeologist is what I meant.

>>79183765
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/17/lost-cities-8-mystery-ahokia-illinois-mississippians-native-americans-vanish

Apparently it was abandoned before the euros arrived for some reason and they dont know why. But yes historians have evidence of it.

>>79183885
I should also add that it wasn't like the mexican cities, it was teepees as far as the eye can see

>>79181335
Only North from them. But anglo and doiche very hard enemy.

>>79183505
Look you hysteric little bitch, I've written nothing that contradicts a majority of Amerindian maternal lineages for Mexican mestizos, the issue we are discussing here is rape, a sin that in the era's cultural context was largely forgiven when marriage occured which, some documented abuises aside, was the overwhelming majority of cases. The inquisition was established by the crown within a decade of Tenochtitlan's fall to the very purpose of protecting Indians, fanatically religious Spanish did not indulge as much in that as you think and they had little need to as slave girls were offered to them in suficient numbers and for the most part the Christian Spaniards MARRIED them.

For the women it was a social advantage as Malinche's case proves, and given so many men died fighting there wasn't an issue of population imbalance, the Spaniards took their wives primarily amongst the Aztecs both because of the symbolism of marrying the local rulers and because it was amongst this specific nation that they settled to live. Veracruz they founded see >>79183641 as well as Puebla in between the port and Mexico City, that was the axis, using the native infrastructure of roads and agriculture, upon which New Spain grew.

>>79183641
Weren't they gifted women (among them La Malinche) by some Maya in Tabasco? lol

>>79183749
Do you even know what cucking is

>>79184137
Yes. Cucking isn't rape. Also the indigenous people today are the ones that didn't mix and resisted you. Mestizos are the cucks, not indigenous people.

>>79183723
Read The Broken Spears, it's the history of the fall of the Aztec from their own sources.

>>79184239
That book wasn't even written by a native guy, but a mestzio. Mestizos larping as natives don't count.

>>79184292
>larping
I'm getting really fucking tired of how badly and often this word is being misused these days. I don't know why it bothers me, either, it just does.

Live Action Role Play

4chan isn't live action and neither is a book.

>>79184292
It's a serious,well researched, scholarly work and the sources are indigenous, it isn't a fucking novel.

>>79184238
I think white men taking/raping Native women does count as cucking, don't you think?
>Mestizos are the cucks, not the indigenous people.
Most indigenous people, today, even in places like Peru and Bolivia are mixed, too, not to the extent of Mestizos, obvs, buy they aren't pure.

>>79182536
If they have prevailed after all these years, they must be Odin-tier.

>>79181335
Actually "Mestizos" are a meme, the majority of "mestizos" are not mixed but just pure amerindian hispanized.
the mixed race ones are a minority and there are various of them, sometimes it's just half mongrel half indian, who make him more indian, sometimes it"s half mongrel half white.
or sometimes it's a dude who looks completely indian who start to larps as mixed because he has some spanish ancestor from 1600s and his culture is completely hispanized.

>>79185124
I'm 100% mongrel, dad is mapuche and mom is french

>>79185124
It isn't the same as North Africa Ahmed

>>79185177
well the 100% mongrel from two differents things are actually pretty rares, and after the first generation of mixing they will chose a pure indian or a pure white, or another mongrel with disordered background.
but my first post was not exactly refered to Chile (mostly a Castizo country) but more to Mexico.
it's obvious that most Mexicans Mestizos are actually pure amerindian who considers themselves mestizos because culturally they are mexicans and not natives, but genetically they are literally indians or with just some random european ancestor but still with a huge indian predominance.

>>79185291
why are you triggered exactly?
it's just a fact, it's completely ridiculous to believe mestizos are always 2/2.
most people who considers themselves "mestizos" with a lighter skin are in fact castizos.
the rest are amerindians who don't speak some nahuatl meme language.

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there are LITERALLY no full or even half-maori left in the world, and the first time they saw whitey was only two hundred years ago

Yes. This is generally why I dislike hispanics, especially mestizos.

I know literally Indio tier spics who consider themselves white simply because some Spanish dude fucked their grandmas.

>>79183093

Native Brazilians sell their children for money. He is right.

>>79185298
Not the same anon but
>Chile (mostly a Castizo country)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJ

>>79185398
Dude I don't want to start posting meme genetic studies, yes, the mixing isn't half and half over individuals but it pretty much averages that out over the population, full blooded indigenous are rare but strongly Amerindian people do exist and they're pretty distinctive even when they've been raised in mainstream culture. Does it matter? Absolutely not, we are basically a Western nation with indigenous influence culturally speaking, even if we also treat our culture as if it was 50-50, the arrangement is we are all a part of it and that's what matters whether you're one of the small minority that near full European or native or part of the overwhelming majority that's somewhere in between.

Do you know Mexico or are you just talking out of your ass? Where you've been?

>>79185689
Source?

>>79185398
Words change meaning or don't literally mean what they say (like white a person isn't actually white) and while Mestizo may have meant a 50/50 mixed person, nowadays it means any kind of mixed person regardless of ratio.

>>79181335
You mean the us natives only or the whole america?

>>79185915
Whole America

>>79185689
They do the same here, sometimes.

>>79185398
He's actually an mongrel with inferiority complexión,dont reply to he

>>79186015
Stop making these shit threads you sick racist fuck

>>79185509
Pacific Islanders are truly on the level of Native Americas, I mean they LITERALLY invited the Europeans in wtf. Does being descended from Asians or related to them make you a cuck in all cases?

>>79185778
>>79185826
>full blooded indigenous are rare but strongly Amerindian people do exist and they're pretty distinctive
So post me the pic of some full blooded amerindian individual, the european foreigner dna in your genetics could be explained with an old ancestor, but don't negate the fact that the majority of mestizos even not being pure at 100% are in fact predominantly amerindian, sometimes there are even pure indian which are "Mexicanized", only speaking spanish and converted at catholicism, in fact the mestizos mixes with that kind of people too.
there is no 50-50, individuals like this are always a minority everywhere.
why do you think caribbeans niggers considers themselves "blacks" even when they are actually mulattoes? because they know they are not 50-50 and have an obvious nigger predominance in their gene pool.

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>inferiority complexión, don't reply to he

>>79186123
He's not me, my cuckish friend. He's the Mestizo that likes Spain.

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>>79181335
sadly yes, hence why I laugh at europe being a minority. The natives suffered way worse. Its nothing in comparison.

natives killed each other all the time

europeans were simply better at killing, that's it

in any case they were the friends of the french here and anglos ruined it as they always do

>>79182508
>coercion
literally church wont care.
your ancestors were rapists literally

>>79186123
I'm not OP ,look how stupid and butthurt he is. Pathetic

>>79186161
No man, I'm not doing the cringe act of posting pics of people for the amusement of some armchair race "expert" who can't even back his claims with any studies or data. I'm just going on the record here pointing out you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans#Population_genetics

Knock yourself out arguing against that.

>>79186199
quit it with the samefagging dumbass

>>79186244
>in any case they were cucked by the French here
ftfy

How high are the Irish on the cuck list? 900 years of getting slapped around by britain, and they still dont even own their whole island

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>you will never land on the shores of south america for the first time
>you will never be greated as a white God
>you will never fuck thicc native women
>you will never have 6 mixed kids and look at them in disgust

Why live?

>>79186407
>implying they didn't have a good business relationship and an entire nation of people didn't sprout from that (the métis)

>>79186399
Please kill yourlsef

>>79186399
It just confirmed my statement, there is no 50-50, all your stuff here shown a huge indian predominance or on the other side a huge european predominance, but most results concerns huge amerindian predominance.
you are of course a mongrel country (not only genetic but also cultural) and your population are basically amerindian-looking mestizos, hispanized amerindians, castizos and pure-breed amerindians, with also the mixing of all this.
in conclusion you are mostly amerindians larping.
though countries like Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador in fact are actually 80%-90% amerindian, the bullshit statistics are self-reported stuff from people who hide their purebreed origins.

Youre all so fucking dumb omg

>>79186759
your flag looks like a tasty ice block

>>79186759
rare flag spotted

>>79181335
ummmmm
you're familiar with the concept of war rape of widows aren't you

>>79186810
No, but I bet you and your country are, no?

>>79186810
ISIS you are still alive?
I believed the Kurds removed you.

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>>79183297
Aztecs (Mexica) were the ones who better dealt with horses during the conquest of the New Spain. The Spaniards never repeated a victory like Otumba, which was the first time the Mexica faced horses.
Either way cavalry is not easy to deal with, even if you have faced it before, even if you have weapons to priece through steel armors and even if you also have cavalry or even gunpowder weapons to counter it. ASk the Romans in pic related.
The Aztecs had to face the Spanish, without cavalry, artillery nor even steel arms and without ever having faced them before.

Just one battle after Otumba the Aztecs already had closed pike formations, which didn't neutralize the advantages of the Spanish because they still suffered heavy losses from teh artillery (something which the romans never faced for example), but managed to decrease the cavalry efectiveness.

>If our cavalry attempted to pursue the enemy into the water, the latter had provided against this by palisades, behind which they retired, and stretched out against them their long lances, to which they had fastened the swords we unfortunately lost on our retreat from Mexico.
True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Díaz del Castillo, Chapter CL

>The Mexicans, on this occasion, received the charge of the cavalry with fixed lances, and wounded four of our horses. Cortes himself had got into the midst of the enemy
Chapter CXLV

>>79186947
I don't really understand why you make these posts speaking so greatly of Aztec warfare? Like they lost and their city was basically paved over, so who cares?

>>79186911
kurds barely ever fought isis
they just turtled in their mountains

>>79186673
Dude either you're an idiot or a liar

>>79187084
because it's interesting? i don't know

>>79187084
I don't understand why anyone would get interested in Roman warfare, like they lost to barbarians and the city was basically paved over, so who cares?

>>79187156
Aztecs and their culture have no bearing on the modern world

>>79187084
Not that guy butv maybe we are not all just ignorant swine like you who will supress any knowledge not adjusting to their biased views. And what are you anyway, a proxy? An American living in Mexico? An edgy self hater who enjoys being a pet to internet racists?

>>79187203
Spoken like someone who never graduated high school

>>79187233
>literally first post on this shit thread

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>>79187203
>It has also been suggested that the Spanish conquest of Mesoamerica influenced the history of the botanical garden[14] as gardens in Tenochtitlan established by king Nezahualcoyotl,[18] also gardens in Chalco (altépetl) and elsewhere, greatly impressed the Spanish invaders, not only with their appearance, but also because the indigenous Aztecs employed many more medicinal plants than did the classical world of Europe.[19][20] Hernando Cortés reportedly told the Spanish monarch that the Aztec physicians were superior to those in Spain, so superior, in fact, that the king need not bother sending Spanish physicians to the New World. Statement later confirmed in a early letter by the personal physian of the Spanish monarch who spent 7 years studying the Aztec medicine in a research trip that was expected to last 6 months: ‘"I marveled, in this and in innumerable other herbs, which are nameless among us, how in the Indies, where people are so uncultured and barbaric, there are so many herbs, some with known uses and some without, but there is almost none, which is not known to them and given a particular name".
>Mayan estimate of the length of the synodic month being more accurate than Ptolemy's,[2] and their calculation as to the length of the tropical solar year was more accurate than that of the Spanish when the latter first arrived
>The Aztec Triple Alliance, which ruled from 1428 to 1521 in what is now central Mexico, is considered to be the first state to implement a system of universal compulsory education.[4][5]
>According to the Guinness Book of Records, Cholula is in fact the largest pyramid as well as the largest monument ever constructed anywhere in the world, with a total volume estimated at over 4.45 million cubic metres, even larger than that of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt, which is about 2.5 million cubic metres.

they could have contributed more, but not all europeans were quite ready to appreciate their development, pic related

>>79181335
there's been worse, Persians and Indo Iranians, Irish, Chinese, Koreans, Slavs in general, Khoisan, all got rekt and cucked hard

>>79187466
All those people still exist and most even have their own countries, though.

>>79181335
t. Half native

>>79187664
>tfw whole nation is descended from cucks

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>>79187704
Those who mixed and therefore acquired immunity to all the diseases developed in the Old World were the majority of the ones who survived. People in the Old World had thousands of years to develop immunity to these diseases, Natives suffered all of them within a century. The Bubonic plague alone for example killed 30 to 50% of Europe's population, it's a miracle that Natives survived.
Of course there were some rapes as in every conquest, but that is still not enough to leave a genetic trace as big as in the present day Americas.

Diseases introduced from the New World to the Old World:
- A bedbug infection
- Syphilis (disputed)

Diseases introduced from the Old World to the New World:
- Bubonic plague
- Chicken pox
- Cholera
- Diphtheria
- Influenza
- Leprosy
- Malaria
- Measles
- Scarlet fever
- Smallpox
- Typhoid
- Typhus
- Whooping cough
- Yaws
- Yellow fever

>>79181335
>cucks
>fought back until they went extinct

>>79187203
Romans don't impact the modern world either. It's northwestern Europe + USA that does.

>>79189436
>canadian education

>>79189475
>mexican

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>>79181335
>a people so cucked by European cock that they even named their country before a Spanish king
Can't get any worse than that

>>79189535
Is it true Filipino women melt at the sight of white men?

white women were bringed to America specially to get married.

>>79189607
They are considered as Gods there, dunno why when most of them are just beta losers who can't nab a girl in their very own country

>>79189765
Your country has this weird "natives are ugly mixed is superior" mindset, they probably just want light skinned kids.

why were northern natives, specifically hunter-gatherer ones like the comanche so alpha compared to the manlets in central/south america?

hahahahahaah LOL white wins!

>>79193271
>alpha
>manlets
please, they all got euro'd eventually and i doubt they were particularly taller than mesoamericans

>>79193271
The comanche were nothing but uncivilized cowards who only ever managed to become bandits when they stole their horses. Mexicans protected all civilized natives who actually worked for a living. Comanches would have shit their pants had they ever seen an Aztec military formation.

>>79193356
They were taller but because they didn't consume a grain-based diet like Mesoamericans. The same decrease in height happened all over the world where grains became the main meal.

>>79193356
i read that their average height was 5'9 - 5'11 and the average european height at the time was like 5'7. i personally wish that diseases didn't get 90% of natives because it would've been cool to see what pure native civilization would look like with modern technology

>>79193377
what does consuming grains or not have to do with being taller

>>79193398
yeah, me too

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>>79193415
You need protein, fruits, nuts, legumes, dairy, and seeds to grow. Having every plate be 90% carbs isn't going to produce a tall child.

>>79193377
not all peoples, Yaqui average 180 cms and they adopted wheat early on, that's where wheta tortillas come from.

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>>79193451
*90% grains

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>>79193453
But how much of their diet is made up of grains?

>>79193453
Wheat tortillas come from Yaquis?

>>79193453
>Yaqui average 180 cms
source?
>>79193451
idk how much of the aztec diet was based on just eating plants but i'm pretty sure they did eat meat (like dogs)

>>79193477
Not that different from the average Mexican, I'll certainly grant nutrition is a big factor when it comes to height but from what I know of the Aztec diet it was a pretty well balanced healthy thing.

>>79193520
They ate turkeys, deer, tapirs and fish. The dog meat is largely an exaggeration as it isn't very well documented as far as I'm aware.

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>>79193538
No, Mesoamericans ate mostly tortillas. They became shorter throughout the centuries especially since they did not consume much animal protein. Only the upper classes had better diets.

>>79193604
Mate, turkeys were domesticated in Mesoamerica for a reason.

>>79193558
They had a specific breed of xoloitscuintli for meat but it was generally as rare as eating human flesh, dogs were kept as companions and their sacrifice was mostly religious/ritual, eg Aztecs were buried with one to use as guide on Mictlán.

You're correct on the types of meat they ate, my understanding is birds were their main source, particularly duck, as well as rabbits and amphybians. They also collected spírulina algae which is high in protein as well as amaranth, which is higher in protein than beans and may have constituted as much of their diet as maize.This is all from Mexicolore since apparently now the standard is to source every single fucking claim.

>>79193520
Google it yourself, I've never read a monograph on Yaqui that didn't mention this and if you're who I think you're it's going to end with you being fucking rude out of the blue anyway.

>>79193629
And Mesoamericans rarely ate them. They ate corn, beans, squash, chilis, bugs, and small animals like rabbits.

>>79193604
There's also the theory small stature was an adaptation to climate, you can't put it all on nutrition there's also genetic variation. For their era they weren't that short compared to populations elsewhere in the world.

>>79193694
>They had a specific breed of xoloitscuintli for meat but it was generally as rare as eating human flesh

Yeah, I didn't say it didn't happen, just that it wasn't as common as people seem to think.

>>79193694
kys, then, cunt. you're the one being rude here.

>>79193798
called it

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>>79182076
There's still time

>>79193817
>ask for source cause i wanted to know more
>get some passive aggressive comment in return
>lol why are you so rude to me bro
mmm ok