>independence day It hurts m8s America please come back

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>>78996334
Fuck off cuck

Ho Chi Minh is a hero whose name will be remembered for a thousand years

>>78996497
Not even Vietnamese

>>78996334
I hope you ain't serious

>>78996334
only if you make me pork chops

>>78996576
One of the greatest Frenchmen of all time desu

>>78996334
You're not serious
End your life commie

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>>78996760
He's Chinese

>>78996587
>>78996797
I'm serious. It's getting worse with each day, what you've seen or heard is only the tip of the iceberg.

Communism should never become a thing.

>>78997072
shitty ideologies and revolutions are inevitable to be honest

I give zero shit of communism. But if you aren't anti-colonialist then get out of my country.

>>78997072
Without communism you guys would be Bangladesh.

The best thing Vietnam can do now is accept some market reforms to increase access to the global resource market without entirely compromising your Marxist worldview.

>>78997329
they don't even need it anymore. it's meme status and they obsess over money/shit on the gov on normiebook.

Come back just tell the public that you are at war with us also

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>drive out european colonialists who treat you like slaves
>install vietnamese regime that treats you like slaves

I would love to move to vietnam for a year or so but I hear getting a visa is nightmare mode. My only friends growing up were viets.

>>78997072
It sucks but at the end of the day commie and former commie nations will get the last laugh. Vietnam will probably end up adopting some sort of Neo-Confucianist society which beats being cucked into oblivion like the West.

Vietnam should go back to being a monarchy, it's the superior and most aesthetic form of government.

>>78997470
bribe your way through it imo

>>78997395
You mean this site? www.normiebook.com/thongtinchinhphu/
>>78997439
W-what?

>>78997484
their future is shilling for china in the water puppet theater

>>78997540
No one in Vietnam would shill for China, especially not in something as non-political as water puppet.

>>78996334
cute girl
but anyway you made your own fucking grave, America shouldn't even be buying your shit
(although, I haven't researched it a lot, I've heard the authorities aren't anywhere as bad as in China, is that true?)

>>78997656
it won't be up to the people. they'll just throw money at your most powerful ones.

>>78997707
Corruption is much worse.

>>78997711
Chinese stuffs are almost irreplaceable because they're everywhere. But recently we have imported some things from Japan, South Korea, Europe and the US (+ weapons from Russia).

>>78997329
Except they didn't

Thailand a country with around the same resources is doing fine (pre coup)

Communism was retarded and led to massive amounts of brain drain like other things

>>78997395
Maintaining a socialist government while engaging in global capitalism helps insulate developing economies from the crashes inevitable under capitalism. This did wonders for China, not only in 2008 but also in 1997, when state checks on the financial sector allowed them to bypass the economic devastation that not only caused Japan to falter and Thailand to stagnate in poverty, but also brought down the Indonesian government.

Liberal capitalism is dangerous enough for developed countries, but can ruin those economies which don't stand on equal footing against the West.

>>78997882
>Thailand

Hmmm...I wonder what form of government they have?

>>78997540
t. white guy who knows literally nothing about Asia

Why did you stop speaking French, the North African still do

>>78997775
stay strong nguyen, don't let them catch you ngủyen

What's your education like about communism?

Would you accept being frances colonel vassal and eventually turning into Mali tier if it meant no communism?

What's university like there?

>>78997911
pre coup you dumb gook

The coup started due to some dumb bitch just barely winning an election and allowing the miltary to wave there dickaround due to low support eventually she got caught on corruption and now they are like they are

By no means as bad as communism as they can't insult the king unlike Vietnam that can't insult gommunism

>>78997988
Once again the superiority of monarchy is proven, thank you

>>78997923
Because they are better than North Africa

Any colony of yours would be smart to flee away from any link to France

Even your white coloneh is a massive drag on the Canadian economy and investment due to autistic french laws

>>78998006
I'm all the monarchy but Thailands monarch is fucking hated

Even miltary generals have came out to say how retarded he is

>>78998069
You're going to get prick monarchs, it's still good as an institution and the fact that Thailand is still a relatively decent country despite a million coups is evidence

>>78997938
>What's your education like about communism?

Marxism is still a forced subject students have to study in universities. Every single year there are education reforms that costed huge amount of government budget but the result each year is worse than the last. All students from middle school to university are forced to study a lot of useless, outdated shit and are required to join something equivalent to Hitler youth communism group.

>Would you accept being frances colonel vassal and eventually turning into Mali tier if it meant no communism?

It wouldn't be acceptable because people have been brainwashed to hate colonialist and patriotism is encouraged, but it is really better than current state.

>What's university like there?
There are total of 185 universities and 234 colleges in Vietnam. Non of them are in top 300 university in Asia, and there are Laos, Cambodia, Jordan, Sri-Lanka universities that are on this list. Take your guess.

>>78998116
The whole coup is based on the monarch though

In the commonwealth we created a failsafe which is parliament thiland does not have that

>>78998174
Aren't Vietnamese high schools quite good though? If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

My understanding is from this btw https://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/12/education-vietnam

What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?

How easy is it to get your hands on a gun?

>>78998270
>What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?
Another guy here.
No, there're teachers who taught me said that it's redundant and confusing.

>>78998339
>>78998174
Another question what's your opinion on the new rising storm game?

>>78998174
>It wouldn't be acceptable because people have been brainwashed to hate colonialist
Anti-colonialism is pretty much accepted everywhere in the world, not only Vietnam. Ask any Indonesians or Moroccans if they like colonialism.

>>78998339
Did she mean that in the way that leading a debunked theory is redundant or in the way that how it is thought is slow and uneccery

>>78998419
The second one.

>>78998270
>Aren't Vietnamese high schools quite good though? If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

Fuck no, the main reason is cheap labor cost, cheap long-term land rentals and regional province officials is easily bribed to ignore environmental safety controls, labor rights among other things.

>What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?
Depends where you live, and where you shit on it. In most care it is harmless and nobody gives a shit. But if you do it on Facebook and have teachers on your friendlist or boast about it at school you can get expelled or lower scores something like GPA equivalent.

>How easy is it to get your hands on a gun?
Depends on how much money do you have, where you live and connections. But with right amount of money and thug connection you can get your hand on a old model or hand-made gun for $300-700 USD.

>>78996334

>being a cuck from a cuck country with a cuck Latin writing system

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Ours is day 7.

Prolly gonna check some of the military events, they're pretty cool.

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>>78996334
I want to recreate Indochina under french control. Do you want an Indochina 2.0 ?

>>78998474
>Fuck no, the main reason is cheap labor cost, cheap long-term land rentals and regional province officials is easily bribed to ignore environmental safety controls, labor rights among other things.

All of these things can gotten in India or china

Anyway I'm going to bed you cunts should post more would rather see Vietnamese banter than "do you love Japan"

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>>78997707
>cute girl
Thanks, I photograph qts in my free time. The reason you haven't heard much because the media don't give a shit about small countries and the nature of shady shit requires concrete proof before it get published and that's really difficult.

My family have government connections and there's much worse thing under the surface. Most people with wealth and power knows better, half of my relatives have fled to Australia, Germany and Sweden through paid marriage to gain residential permit to avoid upcoming storms.

Only brainwashed retards still believe this country has any future.

>>78998369
Eh, seems good. But I stopped playing fps a while ago, only play some Hearts of Iron 3 or CK2 occasionally.

>>78998711
>All of these things can gotten in India or china

There are a few reasons:
- relationship between countries invested in Vietnam and China i.e: Japan.
- labour cost have risen in China, it is higher compared to Vietnam as of now
- China gov have been shown efforts in fighting corruption in recent years

>>78997733
Are the younger generation more progressive? Just wait until all the commie grandpas to die

>>78998774
Fair point desu need to do more studying on the subject

Also do you ever put your bingis in there bacons :DDD

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come home yellow man

>>78998419
How is Marxism "debunked".

None of Marx's central precepts have been refuted. Even if mainstream economists reject the labor theory of value, this model can easily be reconciled with more mainstream marginalist models. Marxian economists, from Bukharin to Sweezy to Kalecki to Cockshott.

Moreover, the LTV was as foundational to Smith and Ricardo as it was for Marx, yet no bourgeois economists say we must disregard their theories for that reason.

What kind of Marxism is taught in Vietnam?

Is there a big focus on Western economic imperialism and the exploitation of third world economies?

Do Vietnamese politicians say their capitalist economy is socialism?

>>78998799
I have seen numbers of Vietnamese youth (born in 199x - 2k) voicing opinions about current state of the society and making fun of the government incompetence, but they still are too afraid to touch politics and generally don't care.

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>third world liberal who shills for Western capitalism literally wants his country to be colonized again

kek, every time

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>>78998799
>19th century liberal capitalism
>more progressive than socialism

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>>78999012
>What kind of Marxism is taught in Vietnam?
I can't be fucked to find out t b h, I went to a private school so I didn't have to bother with it nor original Marxism ideology beyond the basics. But it is probably fucked up since it gets mixed with Ho Chi Minh ideology as well.

>Is there a big focus on Western economic imperialism and the exploitation of third world economies?
Not really, our economy is being exploited by China and Western simply can't compete, with China sharing our border. I.e: projects doesn't get approved because some Western corporation refuses to bribe while China sought to bribe.

>Do Vietnamese politicians say their capitalist economy is socialism?
They calls it something like "capitalism economy follows socialism route" or something like that, I can't quite translate it. But when asked what is socialism route they openly declared it on TV/newspaper numerous times that they don't know yet. Kek.

>>78997921
>he thinks China isn't groping all of SEA waiting for their big break

>>78998969
>>78999012
Back to >>leddit dumb shart

If you want to sound reasonable don't spout bourgeois like some social justice anti-w*te faggot

Marx was correct on issues of equality but his path to getting there is damaging and unequal

Then again you live in your parents basment where wage restrictions wont effect you

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>>78999175
Back to red*it shart master

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>>78999231
This railroad was built by the French. It's 2017 and we are still using the same fucking rail system left by the French because our government doesn't know how to build anything better.

Btw there are huge statues that cost millions of USD to build, roads that cost $5000 USD per square meter, even more expensive than fucking NASA launch ground that easily get damaged every time there are heavy rain. That's how corrupted this shit hole is. We have the money, but it's not going to places that make the civilian life or economy better.

>>78999231
>I went to a private school
figured they would have done away with those

>>78999290
Marx didn't really offer a path to getting anywhere. He was an analyst like Hayek rather than a prescriptive policy wonk like Milton Friedman. What Marx identified was that capitalism has inherent contradictions that appear to have no resolution other than through the abolition of the whole system.

Under capitalism, the need for national and private economies to indefinitely expand leads to constant instability, leading the material conditions of working people to worsen. As capitalism continues to develop, capital itself increasingly accumulate as fewer and fewer people hold more and more wealth. This leads to a shrinking ruling class and a growing working class, as well as wage stagnation and increased exploitation which slowly lower the quality of life of people living in capitalist countries.

In such a system, there is no way out other than to abolish commodity production and the profit-based economy. Essentially all mainstream prescriptive economics amounts to staving-off this future though expansion, automation, and the suppression of labor movements.

>>78999373
Revisionism is a hell of a drug

>>78999231
Want Ho Chi Minh ideology just "fuck off imperialists"?

>>78999290
Nah I work for $13/hour for a local news station so a nationally increased minimum wage would improve my life, as would single payer and housing subsidies and other social democratic policies I support.

Internet right wingers are far more likely to be NEETs cause it takes a special type of insulation and removal to think reconquering Jerusalem or banning interracial marriage is the most pressing political issue of our time.

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>>78999556
>so a nationally increased minimum wage would improve my life
Even though it did exactly the opposite in Washington

Absolute administrative subdivision of (You) m8

>>78999556

I hope as a janitor or some kind of paid intern

>>78999466
I'm a student at LSE my old lecturer was taught by kalecki

Your points Crux is based on "human" concept as getting somewhere while modern social economics which Marx opposes is based on natural flow cumulative of crisis and desperation

Everything Marx proposes is the equivalent of facism ( I don't mean that in a inherently negative way but seeing that you post Stalin images you must love it) boom and bust is your problem in your point yet it's also your soloution to "the rich get richer and richer" boom and bust are purely natural events in nature

I'm far more fucking educated than your pathetic street shitting self on the subject to even understand that
1 I'm never going to persuade you otherwise
2 marxist ideology at it's core is based on a neighbourhood/town a small social and economic group with similarities easy to manipulate

The problem is people that like Marxism aren't fucking educated so they asssume it will work well for a nation

>>78999592
I write news stories for millions to consume :^)

>>78999556
Yet the evedance is mountingly clear that "right wingers" on the internet are in higher education or have a high school education job

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200272/amp/92-Berlin-left-wing-activists-live-parents.html

https://archive.is/Apcyh

Once again

FUCK OFF

>>78996334
If I can show this lady my gaulish axe, then I accept

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>>78999596
The boom and bust cycle is natural only in the context of liberal capitalism. A better, more reliable system centered around need fulfilment and the social good would not be bound to these factors and would not doom millions of normal people to poverty thanks to the mistakes of some dipshit Wall Street grifters.

Our current form of economic organization is very good at delivering cheap goods to rich countries and cheap jobs to poor countries, but has little reliability or sustainability. The booms are getting smaller and the busts are getting bigger as inequality skyrockets and capitalists become more powerful. Unless you guys can figure out some way to fix this while also preserving private commodity production, your whole system is going to collapse unto itself.

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>>78999556
Originally yes, but he became a faggot after gaining power and his followers created more bullshit to immortalize him just like what N.Korea did with the Kim family.

Funfact: Ho Chi Minh samefagged using 175 different pen names to write great things about him as well bullshit and baseless accusions of others. The greatest book about Ho Chi Minh life praised him to the heavens was written by himself under a different name.

The communist party of Vietnam published all of his pen names themselves on their website, but every little Uncle Ho lover will call me a SVN supporter for pointing out that fact when when my grandfather fought the French and Murrican and worked his way up to Senior Colonel rank in the NVA.

>>78998031
wait wait wait

so u be saying we're incompetent?

>>78999756
I'm sure a blogger whose works are seen by """millions""" of people knows more about the business cycle than people who've spent their entire lives studying the subject

fuck off bud

>>78999778
DESU senpai you cunts are competent at conquering Europe and not being and not sperging out by killing everyone while doing it

Also having Russia as your lapdog

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>tfw South Vietnam didn't go the same route as South Korea
It hurts

>>78997938
>huuur duuuur every french colony is Mali and every british colony is Australia or America

>>78996334
Maybe you should have listened to us the first time and not resisted. Too late now m8.

>>78999809
>not killing everyone while doing it

It was probably a mistake

>>78999756
Do some research my obese friend

It's called "globalism"

Boom and bust was a much more crude concept
Unless we see a whole economy based on bitcoin(Dutch tulip mania) your argument is meaningless information and education is more readily available a problem I won't deny but thankfull this lovely contenent exsists called Africa which will continue the boom and bust Trend

As countries reach the "end stages of capitalism" as Marx puts it we will be forced to invest in countries like Africa (much like what china is doing) now you can look at the "end stage of capitalism" and see it as a boom or bust situation or a time social economic instability (civil war) that is a debate you aren't ready for as you don't even understand your own argument

Good God are all Vietnamese girls that cute?

>>78997896
China didn't weather the 2008 crisis you fucking mong. They massively ballooned their public financing to avoid losing industries to demand destruction. A conservative estimate puts Chinese public debt at around 250% of GDP, but mainstream economists believe it may be much higher. Worse than that, all this debt is tied up in state-owned capitalist ventures in the form of loans, many of which are non-performing. It's basically leading up to something like the 2008 crisis but on a much larger scale. With slowing economic growth, China is one American recession away from descending into a massive depression the likes of which have not been seen for nearly a century.

And this is all before you factor in how dependent the Chinese are on Middle Eastern oil. When you put all this together, China looks a lot less like the economic power of the future and more like late-2000s America with a countryside full of peasants living on less than a dollar a day.

I'd sooner bet on Japan...

>>79000187
hell no. but ones with western diets usually turn out better.

we have the utter shit ugly ones with shit personalities like any other group though.

t. vietnamese

>>78996334
t. Cuck

I will take your women and you will like it

How is the war taught in schools? Is it super biased against the west?

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>>78997707
>I've heard the authorities aren't anywhere as bad as in China,

>>79000208
>>As of March 2016, it stands at approximately CN¥ 28 trillion (US$ 4.3 trillion), equivalent to about 41% of GDP.

so who is right you're saying it's 250% but wiki says it's 41%?

and i do think China weathered the 2008 recession. America shrank in GDP while China continued to grow, albeit slower then projected, but still not enough to be called a recession.

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>>79000187
No, but most of them are. Sadly they follows shitty S.Korea fashion trends that make themselves uglier.

>>79000260
>western diet
You probably have shit taste and like plastic surgery bimbos with shitty makeup then. Kys

>>79000313
Extremely biased against America but not so much about European countries, I can't be fucked to summarize it. A lot of bullshit like American soldier killed children and ate them.

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>>78998270
>If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

The low-cost low value sweatshop shit is outsourced to Vietnam.
Hence our $2,000 per capita GDP.

>>79000337
That number excludes local government financing vehicles, which data isn't widely available for, and for special loans from the big Chinese banks, all of which are directly controlled by the state.

Reuters has an excellent article explaining the breakdown of Chinese debt: http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/CHINA-DEBT-GRAPHIC/0100315H2LG/

>>79000373
Do the kids buy it? If an American visited the country would he get shit on?

>>79000393
okay then shouldn't we say we don't know instead of using an inflated number like 250% that's kind of fear mongering.

welp i don't really care that much i only care enough to read the wiki page.

seems a lot of unknown shit from everyone imo.

>>79000424
Read the Reuters article. 250% is the lower-bound of estimates. It may actually be higher.

>>79000412
No they don't really buy it, it's like people forget everything when they see a foreigner in person. But when you brought up the point of the war they seems to be conditioned to brought up the shit they've been brainwashed with to counter-argument.

>>78999231
China accounts for 15% of FDI in Vietnam

The real culprits are South Korea (40% of FDI) and Taiwan (30% of FDI).

I know we love blaming China for everything wrong in our country, but FDI is not one of those things.

>>79000461

i did but reuters doesn't source their shit either. i'm literally getting two different statistics from difference sources. one is from the Federal Reserve Bank of St.Louis and the other is Thomson Reuters Datastream; National Bureau of Statistics of China; Bank for International Settlements.

so i'm just going to not give a fuck and wait and see

>>79000208
>Chinese public debt at around 250% of GDP

Kill yourself lying retard
Even the biggest fucking shills don't claim that.

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>>79000470
That's pretty cool. If the next generation start seeing past commie brainwashing then the country is heading in the right direction.

>>79000393
Do you know that US public debt doesn't include state and local debt as well?
Compare apples to apples.

>>79000373
We did fuck all your underage girls for 25 cents though.

>>79000546
On a scale of 1-10, one being bud light and ten being la fin du monde, how is victoria bitter?

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>>79000483
You are naive as fuck. Those numbers don't actually represent reality.

Of course on papers the FDI seems really low because it went through bribing.

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>>79000594
I personally don't drink alcohol cause I dislike the taste. You'd have to ask another Aussie mate.

>>79000546
Meanwhile in reality
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1AI0LF

>Trump factor weighs as Vietnam intensifies crackdown on dissidents

I hope the VCP imprisons all the dissident cuckolds who want to be recolonized. I can understand why the chinese hate their dissidents now

They'd sell out their country for a visa.

Just like our dissidents

No wonder they all end up overseas writing fake news about Vietnam and the Party

>>79000578
I have seen Full Metal Jacket. It was at least ten dollar each to get loved long time. $10 in 1968 is the same as $70 today. I know I can find a yank hooker in Bangor, Maine with a methadone habit for that price.

>>79000634
So who is your dad? You must be enjoying luxurious life in the US while spending our people tax money.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rich-kids-of-instagram-vietnam-2017-7/#why-not-buy-the-same-designer-bag-multiple-times-10

>>79000628
>le South Koreans don't bribe
>le Taiwan doesn't bribe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Vietnam_marine_life_disaster
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/four-individuals-charged-foreign-bribery-and-fraud-scheme-involving-potential-800

But hey, we can keep blaming it all on the third world country to our north!

Surely all the statistics are fake.

>>79000630
>I personally don't drink alcohol
>ask another Aussie

You're not an Aussie at all and I will never be your mate cunt

>>78996497
who

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>>79000685
I enjoy my life here. But I would never ask for foreigners to recolonize the nation

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>>79000690
Don't be like that Leaf, its just a fucking disgusting taste to me.

>>79000686
I was referring to the West vs China, I never excluded other Asia country faggot. Also Formosa who is responsible for the marine life disaster is a Taiwanese based company but its biggest share holder is Chinese with ties to the Chinese government.

>>79000692
>American education

Gone down the trail

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>>79000738
You're right sorry, maybe you have just never had decent liquor?

>>79000727
Of course because your dad would lose his job :^)

It's not a bad place for people with wealth and power to live because they can fuck off anytime they want to. But not so for the average Viet. I also have my escape route but it's sad being able to anticipate this country future without being able to do anything about it.

>>79000752
dude, when is a shareholder responsible for fuck ups of a company? they are just there to make money, it's the board that is supposed to obey laws and make the company profitable.

that's like saying im partly responsible for enrons collapse.

>>79000881
Because shit doesn't only work the way you know it.

>>78999962
So Lenin was right in calling imperialism the highest form of capitalism?

>>79000920
what kind of obscure answer is that?

being a shareholder means you invested in a company to make money. how it's managed is up tot he executives and it's obviously implied that any publicly traded company should follow the law when doing business. blaming shareholders for executives doing illegal shit is like bin laden blowing up the twin towers and killing civilians because he had a beef with the American Government.

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>>78997072
It that fact that you re so stupid you'd think Americans or the French would treat you any better or "develop" you instead of turning you into an asian Puerto Rico lol.

>>79000757
gook history in a country that is only relevant because america is part of it

>>78998174
>It wouldn't be acceptable because people have been brainwashed to hate colonialist and patriotism is encouraged, but it is really better than current state.

You really want to be cucked (hate that word but it's needed in this instance) to a power that gives even much less shit for you?

>>79000962
In French colonization period we have Viets who was robbed of their land filed lawsuit against rich land holders/French and won, with French lawyers assisting them.

In current era there is no such case. Ten of thousands of people lost their land to unfair government land grab without or with minimal compensation and can't do anything about it. All their complaints are turned away or they're outright arrested for made up reasons.

Under South Vietnam Government we had good education system, healthcare, economy, a lot of commercial brands and even a consumer car brand with 70% parts locally produced. Which we don't have today. Today we can't even make a fucking high quality screw and have to be imported. There are lot of things like that you simply can't farthom unless you lived here and dived into it. I cried when I read a elementary textbook from SVN era. Our textbooks right now is similar to a fucking American Christian public school textbook in comparison.

>>78996334
sex

>>79001155

There are no Christian public schools in america they are private. And Private schools here are much better than public schools as they didn't have to dumb down for blacks and mexicans

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>>79001223
Well, I wouldn't know. But our current text book is similar to whatever school that taught this. Applies to majority of schools.

>>79001306

Looks like something out of CCD

this is why you don't do gommunism kids, power corrupts. the moment someone is given unquestioned authority they'll start using it for their own gain.

>>78997882
>>78997911
Don't worry, coup is natural part of the cycle. Thailand has a coup on average every 5 years.

>>79000727
do you have a rich diaspora dad?

i've met ones connected to the main party from hanoi who live in literally the most expensive properties in LA (gated beachfront properties).

its weird as fuck but its basically just a ticket out to join in politics.

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>>78996334
No, you chose China. They're going to take your sea, they're going to take your women, they're going to take your industry, and they're going to do far worse things than we would have ever done (selling McDonalds and killing commies and muslims)

>>79000692
here we go again

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>>79001155
>Under South Vietnam Government we had good education system, healthcare, economy, a lot of commercial brands and even a consumer car brand with 70% parts locally produced
Vietnam could've been more

>>79000962
MONKY BIZNESS

>>79001306
Are a lot of viets Christian then
I always thought it was more traditional religion /buddhist desu

>>79002665
No what I'm trying to say is our current education system is utterly shit, we had better 50 years ago.

Vietnamese girls are top-tier and cute.

t. Houston...the 2nd largest Vietnamese community in the US.

>>78998384
I could tell some stories about the "wonderous" things British colonialism did for India.

>>78999596
>The problem is people that like Marxism aren't fucking educated so they assume it will work well for a nation

That of course is why no developed, First World nation ever became a communist state, it was only shitholes where 80% of the population were peasants with no education.

>>78996334
>>get agent oranged
>>ask for more

damn that's fucking pathetic.

>>79001155
>Under South Vietnam Government we had good education system, healthcare, economy, a lot of commercial brands and even a consumer car brand with 70% parts locally produced. Which we don't have today. Today we can't even make a fucking high quality screw and have to be imported. There are lot of things like that you simply can't farthom unless you lived here and dived into it. I cried when I read a elementary textbook from SVN era.

For years after 1975, the border between the north and south remained sealed off. This was so that people in the north wouldn't see the south's superior living standards and realize how they'd been fed propaganda for years, and so people in the south couldn't see the Africa-like living standards in the north and realize what they were in for.

>>78999867
If Kennedy had lived, he wanted to go total war and invade North Vietnam rather than LBJ's limited war. Kennedy was fully convinced that China were pulling the strings there and war with them was inevitable at some point.

>>78996334
This is the cuckest thread I've ever seen.

>>78999231
>They calls it something like "capitalism economy follows socialism route" or something like that, I can't quite translate it. But when asked what is socialism route they openly declared it on TV/newspaper numerous times that they don't know yet
All they really did was copy China's "reform" socialism since the late 80s.

>>79003382
>>79003648
This. He should feel bad for liking to be cucked.

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>>78996334
North Vietnam is Best vietnam

>>79000927
Without imperialism I don't think liberal capitalism could exist

>>78999867
Didn't Ho Chi Minh beg America to help but they ignored him?

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>>78999829
South Korea didn't become South Korea until about a decade after the Vietnam War

When the Vietnam War was happening, South Korea was just another third world Asian dictatorship like South Vietnam or Indonesia

Park Chung-hee managed to develop the Korean economy (and inadvertently create more suitable conditions for liberal democracy) through careful economic planning in which billions of US dollars (often intended for defense or as war reparations) were used to create a diversified economy dominated by huge manufacturing corporations with heavy state involvement

>>79003718
The first decade after reunification was hell on earth. Vietnam had some of the world's lowest standards of living and almost completely depended on Soviet aid, which eventually reached 2 million USD a day. There was no demobilization of the armed forces after the South fell, and nonstop war continued with Cambodia and China. Nearly all able-bodied men under 35 were serving in the army which massively drained the labor force, and so women had to perform almost all manual labor. Vietnam also had few contacts with any countries outside the communist bloc. Hanoi made repeated gestures to the US to restore diplomatic ties, but it was impossible with Ronald Reagan's hardline anti-Soviet stance and disputes over returning the remains of US servicemen.

The VCP leadership also consisted of a group of doddering old men incapable of changing the system. They had known nothing but war for decades, so they had no ability to run a country in peacetime. Hence they just continued doing what they knew. In 1986, a new, younger leadership took over and promptly denounced their elderly predecessors for the country's shit standards of living, nonstop corruption, and "failing to instill a more flexible, non-dogmatic outlook on life".

>>79000692
Commie revolutionary who basically created Vietnam as a country

>>78998174
>Marxism is still a forced subject students have to study in universities. Every single year there are education reforms that costed huge amount of government budget but the result each year is worse than the last. All students from middle school to university are forced to study a lot of useless, outdated shit and are required to join something equivalent to Hitler youth communism group.
They still do all this in China too; people have to study Marxist-Leninist-Mao Zedong Thought or whatever the fuck they call it. It's incredibly silly and should be left in the 1960s where it belongs.

>>79001117
Zhang plz.

>>78997072
>Communism should never become a thing
^This.

Most Vietnamese really hate China but the VCP has a kind of softer attitude towards them than the general population partially because they're afraid of their huge neighbor and because they still have this kind of silly, outdated notion of China being a fellow communist state.

>>78997882
Thailand was never a European colony though.

>>79004075
Simply looking at daily life in VN cities tells you enough that their GDP numbers are either fake or held down by rural areas. Urban life is comparable to Philippines or Thailand.

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>>79005095
Looks alright. Needs more skyscrapers tb h

>>79005198
erk disgusting (((cosmopolitan))) architecture.

>>78996334
Is it true you still eat baguette?

>>79005819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nh_m%C3%AC?wprov=sfla1

>>79005837
Tears of joy down my face.

>>79005876
it's one of the best sandwiches in the world, too. you should try it.

>>78996576
You don't understand. He's a hero because he gave an excuse to bomb people. Explosives and shooting guns are the American pasttime. The only reason we hate muslims so much is because they think they can do both of those things better than us. That means we have to prove them wrong.

>>79005876
They are fantastic.

>>78999962
Bitcoin would be an amazing basis for an economy.

Why does every commie cunt always put the leader's body on display? It's fucking creepy, man.

>Lenin
>Mao
>Kim Il Sung
>Ho Chi Minh

>>79006181
they need a replacement for religion

>>79002288
>they're going to take your industry
They can't take something that doesn't exist.

>>79006181
My dad said that after the war, every household had to have a picture of Ho Chi Minh similar to how North Korea has pictures of Kim Il Sung/Jong Il. It's not a thing anymore of course.

>>79006229
Like the other guy said, Ho Chi Minh wrote over 100 books and pamphlets under pseudonames praising himself.

Lyl you should have read John McCain's accounts of his captivity in North Vietnam, POWs had to read loads of propaganda that went like "With Uncle Ho's wise guidance, so-and-so 10 year old schoolgirl personally shot down 20 American aircraft the other day."

>>79006265
so you're saying he's the ultimate samefag?

>>79002755
>>79003648
Don't mind him, just a French boo usually hang out in /fr/ and now make a thread with his 'muh old French colony time' delusions.

>>79000373
>A lot of bullshit like American soldier killed children and ate them
I'm pretty sure this is also the typical textbook in North Korea about the Korean War.

>>79006265
>>79006333
Vietnam could've gone like North Korea or South Korea

We should have invaded North Vietnam but LBJ was too scared of China intervening like they'd done in Korea, although there are a number of reasons why this would have been unlikely.

>>79006372
Kek I thought we are the only ones who have chinks go ' if we are ruled by Anglos everything would be different' 24/7.

>>79004107
Bill Clinton reestablished diplomatic ties with Vietnam in 1994, then Obama lifted the arms embargo in 2015. A lot of diehard McCarthyites complained in both cases.

Vietnamese people are kind
It is a shame the country has such corruption issues
And infrastructure issues
You'd think a country under the thumb of International Communism would have at least invested in better infrastructure!

>>78997017
Sure next thing you know Washington is a nigger

>>78996334
If anyone here interesting in how Vietnam was when it still a French colony try to look up this topic in Quora or form your own opinion by reading book.

Its funny to see how much hated for some Vietnamese for the current government, enough to make them praise anything, even the old colonial time.

>>79006553
Yes, they're talked how Vietnam could become like Korea or Japan if the South Vietnam still exist. How so great if we still a France colony.

Really feel more pity for those people than angry tho.

>>79000634
Take off that proxy, Wang.

>>78996334
Why would we want to come back? What's in it for us?

>>79006687
Nope, he's right.

>>79000373
>A lot of bullshit like American soldier killed children and ate them
Where? I don't recall they have ever taught this in public school.

>>78996334
Join the UK! Together we can create a race of Hapas that will rule the world!

>>79006723
Don't take it seriously. It just some cuck with hatred for the current government. Would you believe in some traitor to their own countrymen to be your lapdog? Last time, the South Vietnam is exactly it.

>>79001155
Kek sure go back so your mom can be a whore to GI and your local father can eat your Thailand rice
Oh and be careful if you're a buddhist better switch to christian because Mr Ngo doesn't like it

>>79006798
Do you like your current government then? Or are you too scared to say otherwise?

>>79006878
>Or are you too scared to say otherwise?
Honest, as long as you don't write too much bullshit about the current government or incite people to overthrow the government., you're safe.

Every Government has the good and bad. I see my country are one ruling party. So political is pretty much meaningless.

>>79006995
Your government is extremely corrupt though.

>>79007272
That's the inherent fatal weakness in a one party state, there's nothing to stop out of control corruption.

>>79006798
True patriots love their country, not a government.

>>79006798
>Would you believe in some traitor to their own countrymen to be your lapdog? Last time, the South Vietnam is exactly it.
If you can call being Russia/China's bitch instead "freedom".

>>79001024
THERE MUST BE SOME KIND OF WAY OUTTA HERE
SAID THE JOKER TO THE THIEF
BUSINESSMEN, THEY DRINK MY WINE
PLOWMEN DIG MY EARTH

>>79003376
Duh.

>>79007355
And frankly most Vietnamese don't give a shit about politics. Maybe if more did, then the government would be forced to change.

>>78999029
This is also true of China. They'll make fun of corrupt, incompetent politicians but nobody really has enough balls to advocate political change.

>>78997882
Actually Thailands financial success was tied to dark magic and ladyboys. This is why japan and sk are so financially powerful, except they don't have as many overt trannies, but they make up for it in femboys.

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>>79007445
>True patriots
Want the best for their people, not suck a foreign dick because he hates his current government. Look up South Vietnam and see how much corrupted it was, oppressing the buddists. But faggot like OP will never tell you that things.

>>79007272
Same for South Vietnam Government. Tell me why should French care about some yellow skin people that didn't have ties with their country? Look up how French manage their colonies and see how bullshit OP is.

>>79007630
>If you can call being Russia/China's bitch instead "freedom"
In Vietnam War, China always wants North Vietnam and South Vietnam keep the status quo.
The USA also want the same. We will become your satellite allies, nothing more than a buffer zone.

But the North want to unite and become a whole Vietnam, resulting in the Sino split and here, this picture speak it out.

“Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”
t. Lord Palmerston

>>78999763
>The communist party of Vietnam published all of his pen names themselves on their website, but every little Uncle Ho lover will call me a SVN supporter for pointing out that fact when when my grandfather fought the French and Murrican and worked his way up to Senior Colonel rank in the NVA.
I guess this guy was right.

>>79008595
Try to read the whole thread, dumb American.

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>>79006668
Its even more fun when things end up like this
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2009/07/28/100-exmalaysians-march-to-press-for-british-citizenship/
>Demand citizenship after tearing passport in front of media and insulting the country before getting stranded
>Writes in chinese

>>78999466
Marxism was already outdated by the 1920s.

>>78996334
This post makes me mad in ways you can't even begin to comprehend, subhuman gook.

>>79008344
This post seems so oddly familiar, as if I've seen it all before.

>>79000920
t. I'm cornered and is unable to give a satisfactory answer to the opponent, so I will call him obtuse.
Your hatred blind your eyes, comrade. May you find peace.

>>79006181
Cult of personality is a good way to inspire loyalty.

Stalin mandated they preserve Lenin's corpse against his own wishes so he could be used as a symbol of legitimacy, and many other leaders followed suit.

fuck you. we sign the paris peace accord and leave like you asked, then when we do you go behind our back and take over south veitnam. fuck you scum

>>79016321
There is zerg rash. You should have use nuclear weapon.

>>79016530
Barry Goldwater wanted to anyway.

>>78996334
The US and Vietnam are on pretty good terms nowadays, aren't we? With you guys having most favored nation trading status and us helping defend you from China.

>>79016530
Politically it wouldn't have been possible, the backlash at home and abroad wouldn't be worth it. Also, you can't fight an insurgency with nukes unless the goal is to just genocide everyone.