AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

>>78948999
Most of these kids have never even been to mexico they were born in the U.S. this is cruel you can't do this these kids are americans.

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>DACA
?

Anchor babies
B
T
F
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>>78949029
你好。

>>78948999
What is DACA?

>>78949029
If you ask them, they'll tell you they're Mexican, not American.
>>78949086
>Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is an American immigration policy founded by the Obama administration in June 2012. DACA allows certain illegal immigrants who entered the country as minors, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit.

>>78949088
This has nothing to do with anchor babies lol

>>78948999
I don't know, man. I feel like the feds should help the Harvey victims first.

>>78949135
Yep. We ought to remove these leeches. Most of them don't even care for the well-being of the nation.

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>>78949029
>its cruel
Youre right their parents should be arrested for child abuse for bringing children illegally into another country.

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>>78948999
TYBT

NOW PLEASE BAN ANIME

>>78949197
Where do you think illegal spics would rather be right now: stranded atop a tree in Houston or back home?

>>78949265
I didn't even mention spics, frog. But to answer your question, they'd rather be atop a tree in the best city in the USA.

>>78948999
He won't, not only is this the line on the sand for Democrats, Senate republicans are not getting rid of the filibuster, he needs this as a bargaining chip to get funding for his wall.

It6's Drumpf's idea of platying hardball, tho it looks as rather he's painting himself into a corner.

>>78949248
If we made this a thing, the numbers would drop even more

GLORIOUS

>>78949334
>painting himself into a corner
Se dice "pinning himself," güey.

>>78949029
>they were born in the U.S.
No they weren't, if they were born here they'd be citizens and not need DACA.

>>78949086
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca
You've probably heard the term "dreamer" before which is what the people benefiting from this call themselves.

>butthurt dreamer mexicans itt

like clockwork

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>>78949334
Its as good as done, Pablo.

Clear out that extra room in your tin roofed hovel for cousin Brad Villanueva

Why are Americans so racist? Don't they realize that their country was built by immigrants?

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>>78949395

>>78949029
>they were born in the U.S.
>Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
Are you retarded

>>78949334

Obama implemented DACA without Congress's approval, so why would Trump need Congress to end it? He has the power by himself.

>>78949458
We're not. We just want legal immigrants. Isn't that what all countries want? Hell, Canada would deport me if I stayed there long enough without a permit.

Say CHIs

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BUILD THE WALL

BUILD IT NOW

>>78949524
CHĪZU

>>78949458
*good inmigrants
fix'd

>>78949113

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) basically means that illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. with their parents when they were like 4 wouldn't be deported, they'd be ICE's lowest priority.

Back to Mexico and Central America they go.

>>78949561

isn't that a breed of handbag dog?

I disagree with trump-dono on everything except illegal immigration

>>78949238
Spics work much harder than wh*tes

>>78949395
The absolute state of Chicanos

They cant speak English or Spanish

>>78949514
True, why has he extended the program so far then? It's politics, again, he's trying to play hardball, this is all about his threat to shut down the government over wall funding, he thinks he can use this as a bargaining chip.

>>78949625
Good, they should use all that hard work to fix their own fucking country

>>78949625
Yeah, no. Not all of them.

t. CHI living in a ghetto SPIC/black neighborhood with high crime rate in Houston, TX

>>78949706
Youre delusional. Its already done.

>>78949458
America wasn't built by cleaning ladies and landscapers.

>>78949669
Eh, 60%+60%=120%

>>78949741
>t. CHI living in a ghetto SPIC/black neighborhood with high crime rate in Houston, TX
RIP

>>78949706
You put far too much stock in this being a "line in the sand" for dems.

The democratic party isnt all californians

>>78949752
If it is Senate Democrats are not going to give an inch, get ready for a government shutdown.

>>78949395
>Americans are worse at English than Mexicans
Simply epic.

Stop sending all those god damn nigger Haitians to Quebec you fuckers

>>78949906
>Americans
*CHIs

Ftfy

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>>78949029
They were born in Mexico and brought here. So it was fine when their parents brought them to a country illegally that they weren't from but it's bad to send them back to the country they are from?

>>78949828
May be, that's their leadership's clearly stated position tho, are you counting on the Donald actually getting his cake and eating it too? Because I gotta tell you those negotiating skills have been rather lacking so far.

He couldn't get his own party to sink Obamacare even after thay all ran on doing just that.

>>78949929
Stop accepting them, dumbass.

>>78949458
legal immigrants are great, we dont like illegals.

>>78949987
Trumps a dumbass but he has executive power. Obama implemented daca sans senate approval, trump can dismantle it the same way.

Its curtains for chicanos here

>>78949929
We have to bomb Haiti
This fucking small island has the power to destroy the americas
I blame the Dominican Republic but mostly the french

>>78949590
I think the cutoff might even be as high as 13 which is b.s. because it means most of their childhood wasn't in the u.s.

>>78949625
>Spics work much harder than wh*tes
ROFL some do some don't and some work inefficiently hard.
t.Guy who lives around them.

>>78949741
>CHI living in a ghetto SPIC/black neighborhood with high crime rate in Houston, TX
Are you high and dry?

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Who /legal/ here? Feels pretty good to see all these fucking freeloaders get out. My parents took years to get into this country from overseas, and some fucking lazy bastards come in for free just because they border this country. Disgusting, and I'm not even white.

>>78948999
Theres a change in the air...can you feel it? Its gonna be a great day tomorrow.

>>78949868
>If it is Senate Democrats are not going to give an inch, get ready for a government shutdown.
They'll look like fools if they do that and a lot of Democrats aren't huge fans of illegals. Also, legal immigrants hate illegals for the most part. It's not a good issue for Dems to draw a line on.

>>78948999
This is literally nazism.

>>78948999
Kys am*Rican subhuman

>>78950282
Are you a wonton-american?

>>78949991
But we can't dude. Fucking laws n sheeit

>>78950314
>deporting criminals who came into your country illegally is nazism

If this is the level of intelligence of your average spaniard, its no wonder your country is in the state its in

>>78950336
East African lad.
>>78950314
I know this is bait, but they're unironically criminals.

>>78949458
Yes, and most other counties we're built by either colonization or conquest by you don't see them doing it now, do you?

>>78950343
Then change your laws, dont bitch at us cuz you make retarded laws

>>78950463
Thank you based Herschel

>>78950427
>>78950450
sad seeing history repeating again

>>78950464
There coming from your fuckin country though. You took these people in and now they're coming here. This is 100% your fault.

>>78950343
Haiti isn't a warzone, it's just a shithole that they are a part of... Maybe you'd like to have some of our S.Chicago citizens as well.

>>78950538
Your trolling skills are weak, Dionisio

>>78950282
>Who /legal/ here? Feels pretty good to see all these fucking freeloaders get out. My parents took years to get into this country from overseas, and some fucking lazy bastards come in for free just because they border this country. Disgusting, and I'm not even white.
Thank you and your family for respecting our laws.

>>78950592
yeah trump literally supported a nazi demonstration assasinations included but he's not a nazi trust me youre trolling haha trust me srsly haha

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grats

Oh my fucking god. I live in a literal fascist dictatorship. I need to move to the UK or Canada soon, I fear for my life.

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>>78950649

>>78950649
>trump literally supported a nazi demonstration assasinations
I would love hear you quote him LITERALLY supporting assassinations

>>78950688
Well, yeah.
He's already militarized the police.

>>78950724
*love to

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>>78950649

fuck M*xicans

>>78950764
>Well, yeah.
>Previous presidents already militarized the police.
FTFY

>>78950942
Obama at least tried to lower it back when Ferguson happened.
Trump recently undid that.

good bye mexes good bye mexes

>>78949334
He will end it, why wouldn't he? This was expected from the moment he won, as simple as that.

>>78950688
Head on, jose

>>78951093
I dunno why Mexicans are getting so butthurt about it. Most DACA kids are Central Americans.

>>78949761
it was built by farmers and housewives, descendants of religious fanatics. What is the difference?

>>78951262
I don't really care, honestly, I'm just telling that guy how it is.

>>78949413
>You've probably heard the term "dreamer" before
Propaganda doublespeak

>>78951284
They were united by language and culture and worked foe the betterment of the country


Illegals are culturally different, have a different language and only care about themselves as evidenced by their willingness to flout our laws when it doesnt suit their wants


Anyways nobody is against LEGAL immigration anyways. How rude is it to sneak into someones country and demand to be able to stay simply "because"? Thats total bullshit, illegals are cancer, deport them all

>>78951777
I'm canadian so I'm not familiar with your laws, but it sounds like the law is to give children of illegals a grace period before deportation to allow special consideration. AKA allow well assimilated, skilled workers to stay.

:thinking:

>>78950688
>I need to move to the UK or Canada soon, I fear for my life.
Why not Mexico, you fucking racist?

Look up the illustrious career of Joe Arpaio before you think these people care one iota about "the rule of law"

>>78949334
>VIVA LA MEXICO I LOVE IT BURRITO TACO TORTILLA
>Ok, buddy, you have to go back
>OMG NOOO PLEASE DONT MAKE ME GO BACK TO MEXICO NOOOOOOO

>>78952187
Looks pretty based senpai

>>78952037
So? Theyre not supposed to even be here in the 1st place!

Any job these scums get are taking opportunities from real citizens. Thats bullshit. All the scholarships and special considerations they get are things not even law abiding citizens get. Fuck them

GET OUT

Come in legally and not through globalist backdoors.

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Imagine being this butthurt that you can't just walk into our country, flouting all of our immigration laws and procedures, and get away with it.

Once DACA is gone these people have no right to be here. Bye-Bye!

>>78952229
>muh constitution is sacred
>unless it protects smelly mexicans

>>78952188
You could make the same argument for Irish-americans, yet for some reason that never seems to happen.

>got visa when I was 18
>never went to the US and it expired
Good thing I can just renew it.

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>>78952499
This.

Rome for fucking Romans, eh.

>>78952358
>globalist
There's that meme again.

>>78952499
Yeah. And lets start giving the death penalty to shoplifters too. They broke the law, they have no rights to equitable treatment.

>>78952607
Nah you can't, they actually went back with pride once their country got back on its own, besides, as white immigrants, they actually contributed a lot

>>78949458
Wrong, sweetie. It was build by WHITE immigrants.
We don't need shitskins leeching off successful white countries.

>>78952607
Irish people arent catching boats across the atlantic by the millions to come here illegally.

>>78952684
Man, too bad I can't rob your house, shoot up your place and get away with it

Why is Finnish law so harsh?

>>78952684
>rights

Only citizens get those.

>>78952684
If 11 million people came into your country illegally regardless of where theyre from, and took up welfare and made horrible neighborhoods full of poverty and crime, youd be 100 percent ok eith that?

>>78952572
our constitution applies to citizens you retard.

kek what is it with these cuck posters from Canada and Finland. Worry about your own cunts

>>78952684
It's not lawful to give shoplifters the death penalty. It's entirely routine to deport illegal immigrants to their nation of origin. Sorry, Nordic notions of 'human rights' don't apply here.

>>78952740
Was this sarcasm? That's literally what they did.

>>78952925
Mexicans should go there instead.
USA is an awful 3rd world country of course, with slow internet, niggers, and an awful education system, as Finns and Canadians say. It's all true.

Mexicans should go there.

>>78952607
Irish-American and Ukrainian illegals usually get to stay because, despite what our Jewish occupiers may have written into law, this is still a white country at heart.

>>78952983
They came on boats legally, and checked in at Ellis Island. Or they were brought as property (indentured servitude) by the British. You're woefully uninformed on American history to the point that I don't think you're even an American.

>>78952781
For sure. Why would anybody give a shit about the philosophy laid down in the declaration of independance, and how it speaks of humans rights? If it's not legally binding, who needs it?

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>>78953175
>If it's not legally binding, who needs it?

Exactly.

They all have to go back

>>78953175
Our country doesnt exist to give the losers of the world a helping hand.

Our stated purpose isnt the elevation of third worlders.

>>78949457

And ISIS would be defeated in 30 days.

Reminder that 76% of Trump voters support a path to citizenship for DACA recipients. Trump has gone back and forth in speech but has so far strongly supported the DACA program, and it is only an issue now because some republicans are threatening to sue Trump & Co. over his continued support for DACA.

>>78949458

No man, gotta punish children to look tough

>>78949265
based trump just saving spics from houston flooding

>>78953346
And Hillary was going to win the election


He actually has the power to do this, though. Its executive prerogative

>>78953203
>I believe in the divinity of the republic
>Everything should be as it was at the founding of the republic.

>>78953380
The sins of the father..

>>78953434
I believe in the right to >>78952744

What's holding me back Pekka?

>>78953109
>legally or illegally immigrating in a time period where visas and passports didn't even exist
Back in the 1800s, to immigrate to America was literally to just get here. Whether or not you were allowed to be naturalized was a while different thing.

>>78953466

(Ezekiel 18:20)--"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

So much for your Christianity, America

>>78953434
That doesnt even make sense

Please stop quoting Vorenus, he deserves better.

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>>78953334
>Our country doesnt exist to give the losers of the world a helping hand.
>Our stated purpose isnt the elevation of third worlders.
You sure about that? I mean it's carved into metal at the foot of your country's most famous monument that that IS the purpose of your nation.

But hey, fuck anything that isn't the letter of the law, am I right

>>78953622
That statue was a gift and that inscription came later.

>>78953520

>old testament
>christianity

But i digress;
Exodus 34:6-7 “The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generations

>>78953622
>running your country based on inscriptions in gift statuary

Yeah, nah

>>78953549
The point was that the law isn't right because it's the law. For it to be just or righteous it needs basis in some form of morality.

Also, fuck Lucius Vorenus. He was a piece of garbage who did horrible things, and felt justified simply because they were what the norms and laws of his society told him were acceptable.

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>>78953483
Yeah so you don't know anything about our history.

http://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-ellis-island

>It was used for pirate hangings in the early 1800s.
Those pirates "literally got here" and got hanged.

>Immigrants were subject to physical and mental exams to ensure they were fit for admittance to the United States.
>New arrivals could also face rejection if they were anarchists, had a criminal record or showed signs of low moral character.
Sure sounds like being let in automatically.

>A notable exception to the name changing policy came in 1908, when a traveler named Frank Woodhull admitted that he had been born a woman named Mary Johnson and had spent the previous 15 years living as a man.
I uh... didn't know this myself, but I'm leaving this here anyway.

>It eventually became more famous for deportations than immigration.
>Ellis Island’s role as a gateway for immigrants began to change in the early 1920s, when a series of federal laws ended the open door immigration policy and established quotas for the number of new arrivals to the United States. By 1925, the government had also shifted the inspection process from American ports to the U.S. consulates abroad, leaving Ellis Island to operate primarily as a detention center and deportation point for undesirable immigrants.

There you go. You're unequivocally wrong.
And before you start continuing your retarded quest of trying to compare 1800s-1900s era immigration to modern day, let me stop you. Our economy was different in 1800, in 1900, and it's different today in 2017. In 1800 we were agrarian and needed warm bodies to settle farms out West. In 1900 we were industrial and needed warm bodies to man the factories.

In 2017 we don't need lower class labor. At all. It's going to get automated by machines within 30-40 years, so it's fucking retarded to let in low class people who will be redundant, unemployed, and leeching off the welfare state/UBI. Regardless of race.

>>78953659
>that inscription came later
Yes. Written and added by americans. Unlike the statue.

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>>78953740
America started down the path if ruination when they betrayed God, King, and country.

>>78953837
Written by a Jew. Go figure.

I wonder why wealthy Jews who fled antisemitism in Europe, who set up factories and shops immediately upon arriving here, would want loads of cheap lower class labor!

>>78953783
>he point was that the law isn't right because it's the law. For it to be just or righteous it needs basis in some form of morality.

What the fuck is "immoral" about deporting people who sneak into your country illegally?

Youre seeking to abolish personal responsibility. If you can make an argument for illegal immigration, you can make an argument for being a heroin dealer.
If you CHOOSE to bring your kids to another country ILLEGALLY, there are repercussions you may have to deal with somewhere down the line.

You seem to be the type to blame a cop when he busts a theif. Actions have consequences, and flouting the laws of a country because theyre inconvenient is a criminal act. And how immoral is it to drag childrwn into the whole mess? The parents of illegal kids should be imprisoned for reckless child endangerment and contributing to the delinquency of minors.

>>78950825
Why is trump white in that pic? He is a proud orange man you fucking racist.

>>78953907
The word "King" is as abhorrent to Americans as "Rex" was to the Romans post-Superbus.

>>78952738
>irish
>meds
>chinks
>white
Nah

>>78954114
This law punishes children, not the parents who actually immigrated illegally of their own volition.

>>78953907
LOYALIST SCUM

>>78954530
Respect your sovereign and head of state, you dog!

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>>78948999

>ITT: mad people who are in countries that they should not be in

>>78953622
I don't particularly care what some Jewish poem says about what our nation should be. It's not legally binding.

>>78954519
What law? It's not a law.

>>78954519
Whats your point? Just because theyre kids doesnt make them any less illegal.

>>78954519
>This law punishes children, not the parents who actually immigrated illegally of their own volition.

It's not a law, it's an executive order. They have no right to be here and will be deported. Being deported is not a punishment: Mexico is a great country. Are you saying Mexico isn't a good place to live? Sounds pretty racist to me bud

>>78954639
>>78948999
Whatever it's classified as then. A policy, or something

>>78954733
I wonder if this guy is just a cucked native Finn or some variety of Eritrean migrant posting under a stolen flag

>>78954715
This, theyre going back to their homeland, rich with the culture they tried to bring here. No longer will they be a minority. Think of all the camraderie they will share with their countrymen. They can experience the rich cultural heritage of their homeland in person. Why is this a bad thing?

Theyre going home.

You know, sometimes I get sad and feel like my life sucks. But then I read these threads and I count my lucky stars I'm not an American

>>78954799
There aren't any eritreans here, burger.

>>78954840
Good, dont come here, were totally terrible and bad, you wouldnt like it.

>>78954840
Yes America is an awful place. Please stay far away from this blighted hellscape.

>>78954840
Fuck off, we're full

>>78954519
>This law punishes children, not the parents who actually immigrated illegally of their own volition.
So wait, let me see.

If I'm the parent of a 4 year old, and I steal an iPod for him from Walmart, you're saying that it's unethical to revert to the prior state (giving the iPod to Walmart) even though he benefited?

That's retarded. I sincerely hope you are not a lawyer in Finland.

>>78954824
>back to their homeland, rich with the culture they tried to bring here
Why are americans so self centered? They came for their own sake, to try to improve their lives. Not to make some sort of cultural change in their new country. Just like all migrants. They are usually pretty individualistic people.

>>78954530
Kill yourself xuan chung

>tfw you drink so much anti-illegal immigration koolaid you become plain anti-immigration

>>78954953
>They came for their own sake, to try to improve their lives.
And they're not entitled to be here, unless they apply through proper channels.

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The way you'd hear them tell it, were all nazis and racists.

Why would you want to live in a country like that? Quelle horreur!

>>78954953
>Why are americans so self centered? They came for their own sake, to try to improve their lives.

Not our fucking problem. They did it illegally and they need to go back.

>>78954953
The same could be said of heroin dealers.

That argument doesnt make their actions right.

>>78949458
I've often heard the phrase "Immigration laid the foundation of America", and I think it's much more accurate than people realize. A foundation is laid once, smashed into the dirt, buried, and hopefully never seen again, while the remained of the structure is made in a completely different way with completely different materials.

America's foundations were laid a long time ago, on slavery and a melting pot of various flavors of European. Later we built an extention to the west, and we laid a new foundation slab in the form of Chinese railway workers. Those times are past. We don't need the vast bags of cement that are unskilled immigrants anymore. We want the fixtures and furnishings which represent skilled workers and entrepreneurs.

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YEAAAH!
All you Mexicans don't get the LUXURY of living in beautiful, clean, well respected utopias like East Los Angeles or Arizona!
TOO BAAD!
Lost your chance to hike 300 miles north through the coyote ridden desert wastelands of the southwest to get a shitty job in some field, getting paid well below minimum wage under the table and deported when you ask for a break.
You could have EARNED THE RIGHT to live in a god damn tent in an almond grove where its 100+ degrees half the year. I mean I'M not gonna do it, you have to do it, but you can't. But you have to....but no.

YOU COULD HAVE HAD ALL OF THIS!


I don't even know why they wanna be here.

So a bunch of cosplaying losers who have no idea what hard work or determination is can point at em and call them lazy?

I'm not gonna blame them if shit goes south here and we all try to escape it and they close the borders to us and act like dicks.

>>78954953
>They came for their own sake, to try to improve their lives.

If we just let in everybody from around the world who was having a hard time with life, wed be overrun. Countries run on laws, not feelings. We already give more in foreign aid than everyone else, there has to come a time when you say "enough". We cant just let in every jackie and jaime from off the street, no questions asked, "Just come here to America and do your thing!" We wouldnt know who the fuck is here doing what. Its nowhere near unreasonable to ask that if youre gonna come here, do it legally. Thats all.

What the fuck is wrong with this thread? I can't pinpoint it exactly, but all the posts here seem to smell very... reddit-y... I can't be the only one who notices this...

>>78955543
>...
The reddit is you

>>78955543
It's all the leafs

>>78952188
Look at my flag dumbass, I'm not a Chicano nor will I ever be one, I'll die in the land in which I was born.

>>78951525
You're making no real argument tho, just repeating /poltard talking points in the exact same fashion as they do. The fact is Trump has so far not done away with DACA, why? Why did he go on record saying dreamers deserve better then? The man doesn't give a fuck about principle but about "winning" which in the real world he's not, even if you're just watching Fox. So he's doing the one thing he knows how to do which is to try and bully his way into getting what he wants. It hasn't worked this far, we'll all have to wait and see what actually does happen this time around, won't we?

>>78953175
Just a minor nitpick here, but the Declaration of Independence literally is not legally binding. It is not a legal document nor does it make claims to be a binding piece of litigation. It was a statement of the signers views and beliefs and a declaration of rebellion, an inherently unlawful act. It has nothing to do with what rights one does or does not possess. That's the Constitution.

>>78955609
It's the same thing as when he pardoned Arpaio (arguably much worse than this). It's one of the few things where he holds complete power, so he will do it. Why do you even care about this shit to begin with?

>>78955334
>I mean I'M not gonna do it, you have to do it, but you can't.
this is the most liberal 101 "i don't understand basic economic principles post"

labor is supply side too. if laborers are removed from the market, the price of labor goes up. ergo if mexicans leave, lower class wages rise up, which makes those jobs more attractive.

you will see more native-born americans picking crops at $20/hour.

>>78954530
Literally treason

>>78955543
I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of the same old shit.
I grew up around hispanics, they're fine.
The vast majority of them just work and don't bother nobody. If we're gonna pick somebody to shit on, don't pick the fuckin laborers who busted a straight up special forces mission to get here and live in poverty doing all the shit that sucks.

>>78949458

built by european immigrants not spic animals

>>78955735
That'd be great, but I don't wanna pay avocado prices for apples and strawberries, either.
None of us do.

>>78949625

come to miami if you believe that bs

>>78955735
I pick crops for $15 CAD an hour, about $12 USD. Minimum wage in this province is like $12 CAD an hour. There is no reason to assume that once Mexicans leave Americans will start earning almost 3 times the federal minimum wage for crop harvesting.

>>78955903
I woudlnt compare cubans or puerto ricans to mexicans in terms of hard labor.

>>78955922
And it's not just the money.
If you pick crops then you know just how fucked and difficult that work is.
No ones gonna wanna do that.

>>78955880
I wonder if previously-unemployed Americans could better afford vegetables if they were paid $20!

>>78956004
It's very diffucult, yet it still gets done. 100% by white people. I don't understand the idea that there are jobs white people or Americans won't do. What do you think happens to these jobs in all white places?

>>78953087
if you like ukrainians so much then please take them from us
please

>>78955880
Tough shit. Those prices are based on exploitation of illegal workers and industrialized flouting of the law. They're far lower than they ever should have been.

Expelling illegal workers will drive costs up, no question. This is a good thing, though painful in the short term. Cheap labor hinders technological advancement. Once labor costs in those industries rise to match the rest of the country, they'll have financial incentive to invest in automation and labor-saving equipment, which will improve efficiency and job quality.

The Egyptians knew about the potential of steam as a power source, but rejected it because it solved a problem they didn't have. Why spend time and money building a steam engine when you already have slaves and oars? Why develop a better way to harvest fruit when you have illegal workers and baskets? Why improve construction equipment and practices when you could just hire a couple extra hands under the table? We need to force these industries to compete for labor like everyone else, or they'll never improve.

>>78956236
Actually due to a weird law from the Cold War, Ukrainians can move to the US very easily if they claim they are getting oppressed for being non-orthodox Christians or Jews: they are given automatic refugee status. It's called the Lautenberg Amendment.

>>78956310
Why do you think getting rid of illegal workers will change that? Wages in agriculture and other manual labour jobs are still low enough, even for citizens, that it's often cheaper than investing in automation. Fir example large tractor mounted blueberry harvesters exist, but it's still much more common to hire small machine harvesters and hand rakers than to invest in tractors.

>>78956495
It won't solve the problem overnight or by itself, no. There are a multitude of reasons why wages are where they are. But illegal immigration is one of the largest, more egregious, and in some ways most simple aspect of the issue. There's a clear point of failure (violation of immigration law) and a clear remedy (enforce the law). Other aspects depend on the specifics branch of the industry you're looking at. The considerations of blueberry farming are not necessarily comparable to growing apples.

Ultimately, my point is that illegal labor is harmful to the advancement of industry, of the nation, and the interests of the immigrants themselves, and therefore any industry which relies on illegal labor to maintain its operations as they are fully deserves the messy and expensive shakeup they'd receive by immigration enforcement.

>>78955880
>eating fruit

Not American.

>>78956796
If illegal immigration was stopped, businesses would simply push for larger legal immigration.

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>>78956103
See, this is what I mean. All of these posts absolutely fucking REEK of reddit-tier garbage. The diction of the posts, the literal reddit spacing, the word choices and argumentation tactics themselve all seem very reddity. Just look at >>78950505 for validation. Literally "based Israel!". Did this thead get linked on /r/the_donald or something, because this explosion of redditors seems completely out of place. Or is it just a case of extreme yank hours showing?

>>78956850
So what?

>>78956796
Say you're correct, why not just grant amnesty to the currently employed illegals. That woukd help ease the transition, speed things up, save tax dollars, etc. How does paying to remove them and going the process of hiring and training a new work force make economic sense comparatively? If your goal is productivity and economic strength amnesty makes more sense than enforcement of existing immigration law.

>>78956872
Dude, get a fucking life

>>78956872
>(You)

>>78956850
That's a good thing. Legal immigration is always preferable to illegal, and if they have a valid point to argue then the legal means of immigration might be amended to better address it. I'd much rather have 100,000 screened immigrants than 10,000 screened more vigorously and 50,000 completely unchecked.

>>78956950
Because a lot of them either don't work or work in positions that are straight-up illegal (below minimum wage, unsafe work conditions, too many hours).

You can't bring these people into the legal fold - their employer will simply stop employing them when they have to follow the rules.

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>>78956850
>businesses would simply push for larger legal immigration.
They've been pushing for amnesty for forever anyway. What makes you think they'd be successful at making our legal immigration laws more lenient when they haven't been successful at passing amnesty?

Let's be real here. Fewer laborers is what spurs technological change. The Confederacy remained backwards because they relied on cheap human labor, whereas the North imported (and sometimes stole) European technology and invented new agricultural technology to make up for the relative lack of slave labor. Even prior to that, the Enlightenment and Renaissance would not have been possible without 50-80% of the population dying in Europe, which forced them to innovate to survive.

Cheap human labor is going to hold us back from the necessary technological changes we need to undergo to slap the shit out of China. It's like our opium. Our adjacency to Mexico is the prime factor we haven't fully automated all important aspects of our economy and why we can't provide a UBI or citizen's stipend to our citizens.

Cheap human labor is looking backwards to the days of slavery. We need to look forward to the automated economy. We don't need excess lower class unskilled laborers for the automated economy.

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>>78948999
Trump is still a Jewish puppet
>increases troops in Afghanistan
>wars in Yemen
>doesn't give a shit about constitution (just like Obama, Bush and the rest)

Rand or bust

>>78956950
>Say you're correct, why not just grant amnesty to the currently employed illegals.

>man burgles your home
>catch him doing it
>pat him on the back
No sorry, amnesty would just encourage more people to burgle the hypothetical home, because you're too much of a cuck to draw the line.

>>78956872
what are you the fuckin 4chan thought police?
Fuck off.

>>78955714
>thought policing
kys

>>78957009
Why would the employer cease to employ them? The amount of work hasn't shifted, just the profit margins. If I own 100 hectares of apple orchards and it takes 10 employees to work them, I can't suddenly fire 8 of them or 80 hectares won't get harvested. Worst case scenario I sell to a larger company that can absorb the impact, or I find something more lucrative for the land, like real estate development. Either way the economy isn't hurt

>>78956872
What is with whatever group astroturfing projecting so hard calling everyone reddit

>>78957012
automation will leave a lot of americans out of jobs. Who will american blame for the lack of gubmint bux and lack of low education jobs?

>>78956950
We dont reward lawbreakers with citizenship

That would destroy our already messed up immigration system. Why pay the appropriate fees and take the classes and all if you can just sneak in and become a citizen? What about the hard working, law abiding millions who took the time and effort and money and did it the right way? Thats basically a gigantic fuck you to everyone who has taken the trouble to respect our laws. Fuck that.

Won't this just result in fewer young illegal immigrants with college education? Would it not make more sense to have them educated and contributing to the workforce than not?

>>78956950
Part of it is because it erodes the standing of the rule of law when you allow circumstances and weight of numbers to be legal considerations. Why should a dozen criminals be punished, but thousand be pardoned out of convenience? Another part is because it's unfair to those who DID enter legally, or are still trying to do so, if we allow the people who cut ahead of them to retain their place. Lastly it's because those who are currently here haven't been screened, are currently employed in those very industries and positions which are about to be impacted, and generally speaking are not interested in naturalization and assimilation into the US. Most of them are expressly Mexican, working to send money home to family in Mexico, and do not plan to put down roots.

>>78957160
Best to learn to code now if you work in manual labor

>>78957138
Because the profit margin is the point. These aren't skilled jobs. There's no retraining necessary for citizens to take these positions.

>>78957166
>would it not make more sense to have them educated and contributing to the workforce
Having them educated costs way more

Not to mention that it's not very likely that they'll enter the workforce afterwards.

Illegal immigration costs the states nearly 100billion per yer. Net cost, mind you. Illegals cost 100 billion more than they offer.

Why spend time and money educating retards instead of importing educated immigrants ready to contribute from the get go ?

>>78957166
We already have a surplus of skilled labor. We don't need more workers.

>>78957166
Theyre not citizens. They cant even stay here, daca is Defferred removal, not amnesty. Eventually theyd have to go back anyways, why waste money educating foreigners who are going to eventually leave anyway

>>78957111
What are you even on about right now you stupid fuck and why can't you even be at least consistent with your own shitposting? Shut the fuck up already and follow your own inert shitstain you have for brain.

>>78957160
Pitchforks and torches lead to change. Americans will blame the government, and the government steps in and provides UBI (perhaps with a caveat like voluntary sterilization). This is called accelerationism in UBI terms

>>78957138
>Why would the employer cease to employ them?
You mentioned profit margins in the next sentence, which really is it. If your business has a 2% profit margin and your labor pool goes up from $5 an hour to $12 an hour, there's a very good chance that your 2% will be demolished and perhaps even go negative. Instead of hemorrhaging money, it would make sense to just close down the business (like any unprofitable business).

This is actually good, even if it's a disruption. The agrobusinesses that can weather this are the ones with a shitton of standing capital; capital is precisely what you need a lot of in order to automate a sector. They'll look at cost-benefit analysis and determine whether the R&D investment and deployment will save them money in a market which pays its laborers $12 and sells strawberries for $X amount. Or alternatively, farmers will stop planting labor-intensive crops like strawberries and plant crops that already use existing automative tech, like corn and wheat.

Yes it will result in less berries and shit, but thankfully those aren't staple crops. Qualitatively I believe that the worst loss will be lettuce, but tech is catching up in that regard already: https://www.wired.com/2017/05/robots-agriculture/

>>78957069
Please don't pretend that home invasion and robbery are the same thing as illegal economic immigration. You know they aren't, you know that one is malicious and the other opportunistic. It's closer to speeding on back roads (something we all do) because the opportunity is there and it makes our lives a bit easier to save some time. I'm mostly playing the devil's advocate as I actually support a strong immigration stance but I'm not sure the economic argument is the best one. I prefer the issue of fairness. Some people work hard, make good decisions, and deserve to be rewarded for that with preferential treatment on immigration applications, it's intrinsically unfair that someone who did not make the right decisions, and instead cut corners, might get a better chance. That's a much better and more defencible position than the economic ones I have read so far itt.

>>78957065
rand lacks the physical presence required to impress the americans, despite being the best candidate by a long shot

>>78957284
Just playing devil's advocate, my Hellenistic friend: I don't honestly know a thing about the issue.

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>there are people that support this dumpster fire of an administration because Trump still does shortsighted and stupid shit like this to appeal to racists
You are a parody of yourselves. Anyways, after today's Manafort news he doesn't have more than a few months left in office.

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>78956951
Another example of a reddit-tier post. Who the fuck tells someone to "get a life" on fucking 4chan?

>78957096
>78957141
Here's another example. I've noticed that people who accuse others of being "shills" or "thought police" come usually from one or two places: /pol/, and, of course, reddit. Now you may think, "oh, well if they come from /pol/ then it's not that big of a deal!". But, what you may fail to realize is there is a pretty big difference between /pol/ and reddit on this front. If they were from /pol/, they would have simply replied to me with "(((You)))", lehappymerchant.jpg, or some other accusation of me being Jewish. But they didn't do that. They called me "thought police" and accused me of "astroturfing". These two terms right here are what give these posts their distinct reddit smell. Accusations of "thought policing" and "astroturfing" (without the inclusion of some sort of Jewish reference) are almost exclusive to reddit. Make sure to look for these hints when trying to determine if a reply is reddit or not.

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>>78957377
>Please don't pretend that home invasion and robbery are the same thing as illegal economic immigration.
Please don't pretend that
>property taxes
>income taxes
>capital gains taxes
>urban planning to ensure a solid ratio of teachers, doctors, policemen, firemen, garbagemen
is a worthy substitute of an illegal immigrant paying
>sales taxes
>social security

You have no clue what strain and stress is put on a local area with a lot of illegal immigrants. There's a shitton of externalities that you're not factoring in

>>78957426
>Greek
>Hellenistic

*Hellenic
Ftfy

>>78957483
I've never been to reddit so I have no idea what to look for. But a faggot is a faggot no matter where from, and you sound like a faggot.

>>78957370
Why are you trying to shut down discussion? What's your problem?

>>78957426
>I don't honestly know a thing about the issue.
Countries try to attract already-educated people, usually from age 25-40, who are in prime working age. This because such people are already educated and have a lot of working years left in them.

Letting in 1 year olds means the state has to pay for education all the way up to 18. Letting in 60 year olds means you're sucking out Medicare/Medicaid (in the US, whatever equivalent elsewhere) to someone who isn't paying into it, and probably has a shitton of medical issues.

That's why 25-40 is the sweet spot for extractive value

>>78957500
>Using neoliberal rhetoric like adjusting for externalities
>but also supports urban planning/zoning laws and is against open borders
Kill yourself populist scum.

>>78957535
I'm not trying to do anything, I'm telling you that this was expected from someone like Trump and he has the power to do so. Keep arguing with /pol/ retards if that's what you want. Me replying to your or any post doesn't mean anything.

>>78957571
>discussing externalities is now neoliberalism

>>78957500
Again, if that's the problem, money, it makes more sense to grant them amnesty. These are good points >>78957237 >>78957165. If money is your goal it makes much more sense to make them legal, tax paying, citizens than it does to shut down millions of workers and pay to process and deport them.

>>78957608
Non neoliberals aren't smart or educated enough to know what that word means.

>>78957571
>using rhetoric like "let's let in a bunch of untrackable lower class people into our communities and hope that somehow the existing teachers/doctors/police won't be overwhelmed"
Kill yourself optimist scum

>78957531
Another tactic of the so-called "redditor". When they are called out for their reddit-using ways, they are quick to adapt. The redditor knows that "faggot" is an insult used frequently on 4chan from his browsing of /r/4chan. So when accused, he will attempt to use the word "faggot" as much as possible to attempt to cover his distinct reddit smell.

>people are arguing about deporting children based on the economics when they also support a wall, that Mexico will not pay for, that every economics agrees is a gigantic waste of money

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>>78957641
>4chan is so full of nihilistic incels that "optimism" is unironically used as an insult

>>78957665
>ctrl+F "wall"
>two mexicans and an austrian
Go away.

>>78957612
But heres the onion: we live in a country of citizens who wouldnt stand for amnesty for criminals. Youve already seen at least half the country hates illegals already. A motion in the Senate to grant amnesty for illegal immigrants would be DOA.

>>78957665
I don't support a wall, but I do support deporting DACA children. Fuck off with your strawmen.

>>78957665
Huge environmental and animal impacts too, which is what bothers me the most.

>>78957703
I entered this threat at about 200 posts in and didn't read the rest of the thread.

>>78957711
Kill yourself cuckold.

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