Daily Japanese Thread - DJT #1899

>>78947828
what exactly is the point of this

>>78948282
現実逃避

You DO know Japanese is literally impossible, right? fucking weebs

>>78947828
Sorry dude, I can't process information outside of Anki anymore. Could you put this into flash cards?

You DO know Japanese is literally impossible, right? fucking weebs

>>78948345
Literally impossible to what? Learn? Fucking brainlet.

Fucking weeabbos you're the shame of the family.

>>78948345
>>78949385
Don't you have a shitty grammar guide to shill on Reddit?

>>78949412
Sua bixa homosexual. Wee-a-boo. Wee-a-boo.

>>78949412
Sou eu quem praticava bullying com você na escola, viadinho.

>>78949839
>>78949874
wtf i HATE japan now

何だこれ
日本が嫌いになった

>>78950003
「なんじゃこりゃ?!」の方が正しそう

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いいえ「何それ」って最高。

What does mean ここまで来た?

>>78951529
Its mean ようこそここまで来られましたわね

>>78951529
"(something) came this far"

>>78951529
It could mean many things depending on the verbal and non-verbal context

>>78952271
>>78951682
Thank

Could someone write the lyrics to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtHugtXVWlI

>>78953408
可愛すぎてもう限界だ、死ぬぞ

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俺は子供たちは現代このゲームをしているっての理由はよく分かるよ。彼らはマインクラップに茶色の煉瓦たちを建てるのは大好きだから!

>reading japanese text on imageboards/forums and searching up unknown words on jisho
Would this be an effective way of learning?

>>78956422
perfectly effective

Fucking 500 cards from the anki deck today. At this rate, how long until I can start reading some basic phrases?

Can you send Heinz Baked Beans to Japan?

My fiance misses them and I am thinkingofsending her some over for her birthday.

Why is it spelt senbonzakura and not senbonsakura?

>>78959600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendaku

Have hiragana down. After I'm done with katakana, would doing a grammar guide and starting Anki deck for kanji be a good path to take?
Will probably go through the Genki workbooks too.

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獺祭
arraying a number of reference books in order to compose poetry; literary composition crammed with maxims, ancient episodes, legends, etc.

>>78960259
>otters lining a catch of fish on a river bank
I can't learn japanese

Dear Japanese people, can someone please write out the Japanese text? I'm trying to find the name of the publisher.

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>>78960828

>>78960855
The publisher is 新潮社.

>>78958799
How many mature cards do you have?

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what is she saying? can't understand shit

>>78959961
Yeah. I recommend writing practice too.

>>78961055
I don't know, how can I check? My total number of unique cards I have studied at this point is 211 unique cards

>>78961813
休日もらえて嬉しいわ
離れた所に住んでる息子夫婦(?)のところに?出でるし
おもちも(name)くんが一緒なら安心

I can't even read some of these kanji and guessed from context. Hand written tiny chicken scratches are the worst

>>78962081
What on Earth are you talking about? You've studied 211 unique cards but you had 500 reviews in a day? Are you sure you didn't mean 50?

>>78962568
Anki counts reviews according to number of answers, not unique cards.

>>78962582
I'm fully aware of this, but if you've got 500 reviews in a day and only 211 unique cards studied, you're doing something horribly, totally wrong.

>>78946469

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Learned the hiragana in an hour.

Blow me.

>>78962668
Not if you're one of those idiots that presses "again" the first time you see new cards and you're doing 50 new cards a day.

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>>78962682
Yup, there's your problem, 50 new cards a day. Unless you're re-reviewing all forgotten cards multiple times throughout the day (assuming you're using default interval settings), you're not going to retain that many cards for the next day.

Anyway, the number of mature cards is displayed at the bottom of your statistics page, or on the last statistics page if you're using ankidroid. I'm not sure how long an interval needs to be before Anki considers a card "mature," but it seems to be somewhere around the 1-month mark. Truthfully, you should be able to read simple phrases before you start Core, since you should have encountered basic vocabulary when you studied grammar first.

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>>78962837
>your problem
Look, I know you spend too much time on anonymous forums to be rational, but when I speak of someone else in the third person like "not if you're one of those idiots", they are probably not me. Fuck off.

>>78962837
So part of the reason I'm hitting 500 is that I have been pulling in the entire deck every day from inception, and try to review as many previous cards as possible

>>78962682
There is a way to see it beforehand?

I should point out I'm on ankidroid if that makes a difference

>>78962922
>There is a way to see it beforehand?
No, you just don't press "again" if it's in the new group. New cards become learning queue cards after the first time you see them and never go back to the new card queue.

>>78962922
Oh, and it looks like none of my cards are mature at this point, just say the statistics

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>>78962866

>>78962949
Saw*

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>>78962952

>>78962922
>I have been pulling in the entire deck every day from inception
Well, I can't imagine that that's a bad thing for your retention, but it somewhat defeats the purpose of the program.

>>78963006
No, it doesn't, actually.

>>78963016
No lad, he >>78963006 is right. If anything, I am mostly using it for the fact that the flashcards have been prebuilt for me, and not really utilizing the schedule it tries to give

>>78962682
Could you explain what's wrong with this?

>>78962949
>>78962972
Like I said before, you really ought to be able to read simple phrases LONG before you start core. As far as reading in general goes, I was able to start reading Yotsubato!, slowly and painfully, at around 600 mature cards. This was after having completed an introductory Japanese learning program called Human Japanese, which I studied with before I came to DJT.

>>78963122
It fucks up your stats and wastes several seconds. It doesn't do any good for your ability to remember the card; the "Again" timer is too short.

>>78963091
He's not right. Anki is about spacing, not about regulated addition of new cards. The "purpose" of the program is long term retention of things that have already been added. Your habits in adding cards are completely personal.

>>78963173
This guy just said he's reviewing the entire deck every day, if that doesn't defeat the purpose of "spaced repetition" I don't know what does.

>>78963196
He's not reviewing the entire deck every day. He's "pulling in" the deck every day. There's a very big difference.

>>78963236
Sorry, I'm probably not being clear enough. I am reviewing the entire deck every day, by making a custom study deck and reviewing all previously forgotten cards, creating an ever increasing deck

>>78963275
As long as you do normal reviews first, that doesn't defeat the purpose of Anki at all. It's stupid, but it's not against spaced repetition's philosophy.

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>>78963236
Okay, O' Wise-and-Enlightened One, bequeath to this humble mongrel, through your proverbial and illustrious speech, knowledge of the "very big difference(tm)" between "reviewing" and "pulling in" the entire deck every day.

>>78963332
Reviewing is a passive process where the cards are already there. "Pulling in" is the act that constitutes putting the cards somewhere. This could be anything: adding all available new cards, doing a custom study, etc.

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>>78963350
>>78963236
>He's not reviewing the entire deck every day
>>78963275
>I am reviewing the entire deck every day

Why do you insist that he meant something other than what he said?

>>78963400
Check the order in which those posts were posted, dumbass.

>>78963400
>I'm doing Y
>He's doing X
>He's not doing X, he's doing Y
>Actually I'm doing Y
>Why would you say he's doing X
>He didn't say he's doing X, he said he's doing Y
>But he said he's doing Y
It's time to stop posting.

>>78963424
It's so dumb that even you messed it up.
>I'm doing Y
>He's doing X
>He's not doing X, he's doing Y
>Actually I'm doing X
>Why would you say he's doing Y
>He didn't say he's doing X, he said he's doing Y
>But he said he's doing Y

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>>78963424
>>78963436

>>78955584
なぜだ
こんなに偉いミームをポストしたのに誰も返事しなかった…
自分でやろうかなぁ…
「茶 色 の 煉 瓦」

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011119661000/k10011119661000.html
>インターネットに出ている悪口などを写真に撮って送ることができます。
Here it's 出て + いる is post + exist so "posted" right?

Also, does the meaning of ている correspond to the type of verb (stative, dynamic, durative, etc.) it's attached to?

>>78963470
the cancer killing djt

Is it even possible to learn how to read in Kanji?

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>>78965389
no give up now

>all that autism
what the fuck is wrong with Americans?

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what exactly does もとより add to this sentence?

>>78965560
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/882.htm

>>78965573
thanks pal

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>tfw your total mature cards have been on a decrease ever since putting 10 second time limit on recall

>>78966045
So you're saying you know the words but it takes you too long to think of it? That means either

-Read more
-Read more, but also don't worry so much about the precise meaning when doing anki (the reading is more important)

>>78966264
>So you're saying you know the words but it takes you too long to think of it
I still forget a lot even if I had no time limit, but it's much worse now (sub-50%). But my review time is half of what it used to be even with 1.5x the amount of reviews I was doing back then.

> but also don't worry so much about the precise meaning when doing anki
I don't know how strict people are with this but I mostly press "again" if I don't recall all the meanings.

e.g. today I think I only recalled "attention" for 注意 instead of "attention, care, watch out", and for 得意 I forgot "pride" and only recalled "one's forte, customer" so I hit again. I'd also press "again" (or "hard" at best) if I recalled, for example, something like "grand scale" instead of "large scale" for 大型.

Sometimes I can also understand a word from looking at it without translating it to english (and I've forgotten the english translation), and I'll press again for that too.

>>78966396
>I don't know how strict people are with this but I mostly press "again" if I don't recall all the meanings.

Yeah that's stupid. Often these words only have one real meaning and the english words given are just different approximations. JAPANESE IS NOT ENGLISH.. You'll learn the real meanings through reading - your goal with anki is just to decrease the likelyhood you need to look the word up when you come across it in reading.

What does くらい mean when it's attached to the end of a word?

>>78966529
Also, for the words that do have lots of actually unique meanings, it's even sillier to learn them all because they are often idiomatic (かける) or some are much more common than others

>>78966529
>>78966579
I'm just worried I'll assign too general meanings to a word and I'll end up having words thinking they mean the same thing.

e.g. the words 割れる, 壊れる and 折れる appear fairly far apart in core. If I only assigned thought of something in general "breaking" for these 3, I wouldn't know the difference.

But for 折る and 折れる which only appeared for the first time in the last week, I've had to press again every day so far because I always forget at least one meaning.

>>78966550
Depends on the context.
to the degree of ~
about (roughly) ~

>>78966676
>e.g. the words 割れる, 壊れる and 折れる appear fairly far apart in core. If I only assigned thought of something in general "breaking" for these 3, I wouldn't know the difference.

It's fine to think they are approximately the same thing at first. You'll figure out most differences through reading. You can also get stricter with time. Right now, you're wasting too much time on anki already probably that could be spend reading (or doing more words in anki so you can read sooner). But when you've run out of new words and are down to 20 minutes a day it's a lot easier to be stricter.

>>78966676
>I'm just worried I'll assign too general meanings to a word and I'll end up having words thinking they mean the same thing.
don't worry about that, man
as you come across these words in a variation of contexts "in the wild", you'll pick up on nuance
treat vocab in Anki like a grabbing point on a climbing wall and use reading to actually climb the wall
much easier this way

憧れは理解から最も遠い感情だよ

Something about understanding or admiration?

>>78967610
Admiration is the furthest emotion from understanding (logic).

>>78966676
There is no problem in learning shatter, break and destroy as synonyms until you can really tell the difference.

Go for general meanings, unless it changes meanings.
For instance, if "large scale" means using big metrics but "grand scale" means kinda like "the grand scheme of things", that's a fairly distant meaning and shouldn't be considered the same.

You have to get the pronunciation right and the meaning just right enough, since nuance will come with reading.

I'm reading a book while listening along to the audiobook-recording of it at the same time (Harry Potter).

I'm seeing the word 一角獣 in the text, but narrator is saying ユニコーン.
I'm reading 提灯, but in the audiobook I hear ランタン.

How does the narrator knows or why does he chooses to use the English word instead of いっかくじゅう and ちょうちん for those kanji?
Why didn't the translator himself write those words out in katakana?

>>78970329
different versions maybe?

>>78970329
It's likely an artistic choice.

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Should I put this before the hot water or after hot water?

>>78970572
it doesn't say anything about water, as far as I can tell you put that shit directly on whatever you want to eat

>>78951529
よく、ここまで来たもんだ
I've finally reached here
>>78953408
ええね
>>78963580
>インターネットに出ている悪口などを写真に撮って送ることができます。
in this case, 出ている means "appeared"
You can take pic of the trash talk appeared on the Internet and send them.

>>78965560
この場合は、
「子供はもとより言うまでもなく、大人もそのゲームに夢中になっている」
「子供は言うまでもなく、大人もそのゲームに夢中になっている」
で、この場合の
「子供はもとより」: Needless to say about children/ It is a matter of course about the child
となります。
単に「もとより」の後ろの「言うまでもなく」が隠されている場合、「もとより」はAs a matter of courseとなります
「もとより」は元来/本来というのかbasicな意味ですが、「もとより言うまでもなく」という成句から上記の意味が派生します

>>78966550
連体形+くらい
で、関係詞のasのような働きをします。日本語には関係詞がありませんが、準体助詞「の」や形式名詞「こと」「ころ」「くらい」はね関係代名詞の様な働きがあります。

Fucking weeabs. You are the shame of the family.

>>78967610
To adore is mere emotion which is a far cry from awareness of understanding
と訳してみる
>>78970329
例えば「一角獣」と書いて「ユニコーン」とフリガナを打ち、獅子と書いて「ライオン」とルビを振るのは、普通にあることです。
漢字は表意文字なので、意味さえ合えば、何語であろうと如何様にも読めるというのが、日本人の感覚であり、本来、訓読みというのはそういうものです。
まあ、子供の名前を下記のように名づける親もいます。
騎士(ないと)
月姫(るな)
息子(じゅにあ)
ですから、提灯と書いて「らんたん」と読む位は屁でもむありません。

>>78970572
Why do you think someone can understand the picture in spite of zooming in like that?

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What is the difference between shouji nd fusuma? Both are "sliding doors" according to core.

>>78973367
*読む位は屁でもありません
>>78973544
いや、日本で普通に生活していれば、インスタントラーメンについている液体スープだと、一瞬でわかるけど。
特に、留学生は常食にしているだろうに。
最近、日本に来たんだね。
>>78970572
you put it after hot water and just before eating

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>>78974061
When in doubt, Google image search.

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>>78974061
those are shouji and fusuma.

>>78974123
お前みたいなインスタントラーメンばっか食ってるビンボー人はインターネットなんてやってねえで人間の食事しろボケ。

どう考えてもこいつが家庭持ちとは思えんわ。パンツ屋

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Can someone help me think a better way to translate this.

>Ahh, now I get it...
>This must be what cherry boys feel like...

That's the best I could come up with.

>>78974280
無理しなくていいよ。
君が日本人でないことはバレバレだから。
日清製粉は皇后陛下の御実家なんすけど。
はい、さようなら。

>>78974390
不敬罪
死刑

>>78974296
well
you're right

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>>78974946
アホ、日清食品と日清製粉は何の関係もねーよ
一遍、死んでみる?

>>78975263
後からググって自己論破乙。
どんな笑いの神様もバカには勝てない。

魔の手が迫る
How i can translate this?

>>78975520
the tentacles of the devil are imminent.

I have no confidence

>>78975698
>the tentacles of the devil are imminent.
It's not from hentai.

>>78975908
well
"to be targeted by the wicked"

>>78973367
This is so entirely weird.
It is as if the Japanese written language sees meaning-delivery and pronunciation-delivery as two separate goals with far greater focus on the former, where as most other languages have these two more or less equally balanced or not separated at all.

Do you not think-out the kanji readings "out loud" when you read them?

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This thread has been humorously terrible.

have a nice time

私はインターネットを読んで夜更かしをする傾向がある。その辺には我慢が強くない。

That's a pretty strange translation for "Last Corridor". I would have thought 最後の廊下 would have been used, which also appears to be what JP were using as well.

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>>78980290
forgot image

Finally weekend boys
I'm hereby open for any Japanese related questions you might have. Throw them at me! I'll be here all night.

>>78981815
Why do japs have such tiny dicks?

>>78946469
Ohayo g*zaimasu

>>78982692
悍ましゅうございます

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Rate your Japanese skills out of ten:

>Grammar 2/10
>Vocabulary 3/10
>Speaking 4/10
>Pitch Accent 1/10
>Kana 9/10
>Listening 3/10
>Kanji Recognition 6/10
>Kanji Readings 3/10
>Kanji Writing 1/10
>Overall Reading 4/10

ほんとに、南蛮人です。。。

>>78983090
南蛮人なら蛮勇を発揮せよ

>>78983090
>>Grammar 9/10
>>Vocabulary 9/10
>>Speaking 0/10
>>Pitch Accent 0/10
>>Kana 10/10
>>Listening 10/10
>>Kanji Recognition 5/10
>>Kanji Readings 5/10
>>Kanji Writing 1/10
>>Overall Reading 7/10
>implying I'm ever actually going to speak or hand write Japanese