What is the oldest country, /int/? This guy picks Egypt out

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>>78771188
>indus
>india

Ethiopia

The United States of America, we discover time travel and become the first civilization between the Tigress and Euphrates.

I would stick to San Marino for continuity's sake

>>78771188
Why China or Japan? Both formed out of smaller cunts only a couple hundred years ago at most.

Of course China, the mother of our entire culture and civilization.
I really wanna throw her into the ocean.

>>78771188
If you mean oldest by unchanged governments it's San Marino.

Oldest by last time it was conquered it's the U.K.

Oldest by who had the first civilization it's Egypt.

Egypt's modern identity dates to the Islamic conquests, it has nothing to do with pharoahs.

Egypt is the oldest... and Babel before that.

>>78772207
Oldest by last conquest is clearly Japan. They lost a few wars, but they weren't conquered.

China

Technically speaking, Denmark is the oldest continuous nation state in the world.

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>>78772314
oh really?

>>78772314
Japan is property of the US State Department since 1945.

>>78772314
if you had your constitution written by someone else, you were conquered.

>>78772207
>Oldest by who had the first civilization it's Egypt.

is this american education meme

>>78772207
Civilization started in Mesopotamia and Anatolia, not Egypt my american friend

>>78772773
>>78772952
He's talking about the countries included in the image, Yurotards.

If we're talking about human civilizations?
Then Greece obviously

>>78772987
>he is talking about the countries included in the image
>mentions UK

Dumb amerishart

>>78772952
eh, the complex urbanization with writing people usually have in mind when they talk about that arguably points to lower Mesopotamia

>>78773069
but, still, considering Irak the oldest country seems a little wrong, using older civilizations for this is kinda pointless

>>78771188
Not Japan, you weeb

>>78773167
I was just talking about that specific point. "oldest" anything is somewhat subjective and just shows how fragile these concepts are, anyway

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>>78773189
actually, japan's the oldest continuing monarchy.
certainly there were older monarchies like egypt, china, etc., but they collapsed or were conquered by foreign powers, while our imperial reign's never been broken for millennia. we're still yamato people with the same yamato dynasty.

>>78776568
Japan is property of the US State Department since 1945.

>>78771383
This. The government has changed hands quite a bit but it's always been Ethiopian and Ethiopia has always been self governed, going back into BCE.

>>78771188
As a country? China.
As a nation: Greece

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>>78776631
i'm not talking about memes.
japan's arguably the oldest one as far as perfect continuity goes.

>>78771188
>What is the oldest country, /int/?

this question is just such a bullshit concept of nationalism and technicalities that it isn't even worth wondering about

>>78776782
Japan was split into multiple waring states many times, and the imperial family hold almost no authority when the shogun took over. The house of Yamato is old, but Japan as a unified state is pretty young

>>78776568
>but they collapsed or were conquered by foreign powers
Well yeah. It must be nice living on an isolated island miles away from everybody else. The only people who only ever really threatened to conquer you were the Mongols and they got taken out by the weather.

>>78772498
Jap porn has pixelated genitals because MacArthur decreed it. :^)

>>78771188
What about Poland?

>>78771579
Redpill me on San Marino

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>>78776892
you don't seem to know how the imperial house works in japan in the first place.
admittedly we've undergone warring states periods, but it was the emperor that always bestowed legitimacy on those who won the wars anyway.
you have to be officially appointed by the yamato emperor to rule japanese states, which is the mechanism that has long driven japan and that makes us the same entity as the ancient state, ensuring the perfect continuity.

>>78777053
living in an island ensures nothing; every island that isn't japan's been conquered by somebody as you know.

>>78777472
nevermind I just realized that you are the retarded proxy-pole kill yourself

>>78771188
"country"
idk, some of those are quite young. The present country isn't the same as past countries just because it occupies the same land.

Yamato race(main race of Japanese) got own emperor at 660–585 BC.
And untill now Japan is keeping its imperial line and nation of Japan under the Yamato.
In this case , we are not a oldest civilization but oldest nation which is keeping ”the one nation with the same race”.
China is chengeing its ruler race. Even Mongolian became ruler of china and they destroyed Chinese civilization. So I don't think it's could be count as the oldest nation. Since chinese were ruled by Mongolian and lost own culture by them.
What Chinese has now is just a revival culture for business reasons.
It's not real cukture as like Japanese imperial family and it's related culture. It's stated 660BC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Japan

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>>78779195

>>78779373
jealousy~

>>78776892
Emperor of Japan is also the head of the religion. The pope of Shinto.
Emperor was stayed as the holy untouchable position who is keeping the Shinto special ritual and special matsuri.
So no shogun never touch this and payed respect. Also usually emperor is apart from secular things like gorvenment management.
(Only very ancient times, they were doing it.)
It means emperor is just keep on doing important Shinto ritual and culture to keep the ancient tradition of Yamato race.
And shogunate was doing actual government work and so on.

>>78772386
?
Amerifat education

If by country you mean nation-state, then the Americas have the oldest country as national identity first developed there.
The idea that the nation existed throughout time is part of a national historic narrative to induce a feeling of national unity and timelessness to the nation-state.
There have been administrative states in what is now considered China for thousands of years, and there is somewhat of a cultural continuity along these lines, but "China" as a country dates back to 1949.

>>78771188
I don't know. The definition of country is blurry but i think Ancient Egypt most definetly isn't a country in the modern sense.
>>78771278
The Indus people were obviosly on Pakistan and not on India if you look t the map.
I think he knew that, but ignore so he can include India and all those empires that conquered it

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>>78779195
ayy lmao

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>>78771188
Syria, duh!
Syria, with Damascus as it's capital, has been Syria for at least 10ky.
Pretty simple really.

>>78779617
>USA oldest
really No

>>78779195
This

>>78779914
I said the Americas, not specifically America. It was in the Americas that national identity was first developed due to the affiliating and localizing effect of vernacular newsprint, and also due to the need for a strong cohesive force to oppose colonization.
Fuck off with your nip shitposting, we all know you're some weeb exchange student from some generic american cookie-cutter state.

Sweden is the oldest

>>78771188
Mesopotamia is the first documented historical civilization and that took place in the middle east/ Iran.

So gotta go with Iran.

>>78779195
>Yamato race(main race of Japanese) got own emperor at 660–585 BC
I will fix a bit for you.
>Baekjae race(main master of Jap race) got own emperor at 660–585 BC. and crossed over to Jap land after losing the war in Korea pennisula and phucked Jomon Inu native Jap people harsh. :^)

>>78776568
Does it really count when the Japanese monarch wasn't a true monarch? The Mikado was nothing more than a religious figurehead, wielding 0 power, 0 political authority, 0 military control, etc. They were hostages of the daimyos and shoguns for almost 1000 years.

>>78777472
You do realize that the shoguns basically forced the Mikado to legitimize them, right? The Mikado was a political hostage, a prize to be won. Japanese emperors had 0 free will for most of Japanese history.

>>78779515
>Emperor of Japan is also the head of the religion. The pope of Shinto.
What do you mean by "also"? The head of religion was ALL they were. They had no political authority. They were completely ceremonial figures.
For most of Japanese history, Japan alternated from being a shogunate to divided states. During those periods the emperor had no power at all. To claim that the Japanese emperor was anything more than a religious ceremonial figure is entirely disingenuous.

t. BA in East Asian studies (focus in Japanese history)

please no questions about the effectiveness of the degree in gaining employment. thank you...

>>78780107
>he can't tell the difference between the head of state and the head of the government

>266 Popes so far
>Only 125 Japanese Emperors
Popes have more power than Japanese puppet "Emperors" too.

>>78780375
>a head of state that has no authority over the state

German-anon was right. You're dumb. I'm out.

>>78777472
>living in an island ensures nothing
No but it ensured that you didn't get conquered for most of history.

I'm surprised that Sri Lanka isn't up there.

>>78772198
don't talk about your grandma like that

>>78771188
Ironically America is one of the oldest countries because most countries technically changed when they became Republics

>>78780578
>578▶
>I'm surprised that Sri Lanka isn't up there.
nobody knows or cares about it

>>78780106
Japanese was independed from continental nation and established own Japan with own emperor at that time.
Why continental Asian could not stop and destroy Japan? Because we had already enough army in the island and they couldn't invade Japan.
And also there was ally of Japan as well at that time.
Hint : Mimana, Gaya.
They were colony of---.
Wikipedia was conquered and fucked up by Chinese Maney but I tell you, soon the truth of ancient history will reviled with hard evidence which our side has.

>>78780969
Well then tell us about it.

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>>78780107
>You do realize that the shoguns basically forced the Mikado to legitimize them, right?
but most of those powerful samurai clans that held shogunates belong to the seiwa-genji or minamoto clan, a branch of the emperor seiwa, to begin with. in this regard, it can be said that emperor and samurai are two sides of the same coin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiwa_Genji

>>78780554
we haven't been conquered because we're invincible warriors.

>>78771188
I think there is some confusion over the words "country", "culture" and "civilization".

>>78781050
kek. fucking jap who even deflect their war crime history about to say every historical stories which dispute to them are all "fabricated"

you're obviously the most denial, disgusting Asian nation in the world.

And you know what, The Baekjae region, around Jella-do, this is the region well known as region of deceiving and backstabbing people.

absolutely resemble with disgusting japs.

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>>78780107
Basically, Yamato Dynasty = Japan, even now, as you can see the imperial seal on the passport of Japan.
In a way, they started "The Yamato reigns, but does not govern" thing before constitutional monarchy became a thing.

How do you determine the continuity of government? Is the French Republic contiguous with the Kingdom of France? Is Italy contiguous with Piedmont-Sardinia? Is Turkey contiguous with the Ottoman Empire?

>>78783721
The answer to all those questions is no.

>>78783886
So what is the criterion? The date when the current constitution was written?

>>78771188
The Chinese Emperor is no more, Iran and India's kings all ended.

Japan has the most stable monarchy so its country never ended.