France is a Southern European country located next to a Mediterranean

>>78760334
Shut the fuck up piece of shit

okay, Tyrone Hernandez

>>78760334
They speak some broken Italian dialect with a horrible Nige[insert throat sound]ian accent.

There, I said it.

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Is this the daily antifrench thread?

>>78760587
>is this the daily La Vergonha thread?
Oc.

>>78760440
Shhhh, use "de los Hernandez" instead. It implies his Spanish surname came from his ancestor's owners.

>>78760782
>Occitans

Who cares

>>78760896
>Nige[throat sound]ians speaking a b[throat sound]oken Italian dialect
Who cares?

This shit is like sopa de macaco, it's just picking some random nignog country to laugh at.

>>78760378
>>78760440
>>78760587
How the fuck is that even a bad thing?

I didn't say anything bad about you, you just perceived it like it was that because you see Southern Europeans as an inferior bunch of people.

>>78761047
No, because you're lying.

I hate liars.

>>78761069
>I hate liars.
So you hate yourself and other French, Mboudou nîggêr?

>>78760587
America gets over 10 anti threads a day. Stop being a bitch, bitch

>>78761106
Oh, go eat some of your fellow countrymen

>>78761132
So I take it that you're used to it.

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Should I learn (((Latin))) and move here?

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>>78761166
Do I look Lithuanian?

>>78761236
>(((Latin)))
Fuck you for trying to associate magnam linguam latinam with kikes, you fucking tribal nignog who fell in bleach while raiding some shit like a nigger/scandinavian/african/viking/ooga booga piece of shit.

>inb4 OOGA BOOGA! BORK BORKSON HAS CULTURE! BORK BORKSON CAN BASH CLUB! SHEEEEEIII

>1-19% in central and northern France

wow

>>78761316
Oy vey!
chime chime chimery chim

>>78761421
>Oy vey!
>nigger/kike speaking nigger/german dialect
Go back with those tribal nignogs like hitler to your mud hut.

Blonde hair only looks good on women, on men it looks gay as fuck. Dark brown hair is the best hair color

>>78760334
Pretty much. Caesar genocided a quarter of the native population and rape legions did their thing. They are all latin bastards.

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>>78761551
what the fuck did you just say about my hair?

>>78760334
and muslim

>>78761579
>all

That's where you're wrong, kiddo

>>78760334
French people are similar to Brits in terms of ethnicity, apart from maybe those in med coast.

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>>78761606

>>78761698
Time to go home Jean-Claude

>>78761737
russian military bases and poverty

>>78761737
>What's going on here?
Galicia: bad teeth (they had some Briton diaspora fleeing the Saxons) and less Carthaginian admixture (due to position)
Puglia: I'd guess admixture with northern Balkans.
Murmansk: isolation prevented them from getting admixture from the lighter coloured southerners.

>>78761579
caesarnihilummalumfecit.jpg

>>78761737

Galicia and Asturias
they were a little bleached by celts, swabians and visigoths, while not being a part of islamic spain.
basques are darker because they didnt get bleached, they remained basques.

>>78761316
This, nordics are subhuman bleached n*ggers.

>>78761236
Latin is a death language, people from the circled area speak Italian (a dialect of it, I pressume)

>>78762315
I'd be surprised if Swabians and Goths had any meaningful impact on this, their influence was spread through Hispania and relatively small. If anything Carthaginians darkening the Southerners played a bigger role.

On Celts: are you talking about Celtiberians, Britonic diaspora or both?

>>78761737
desu I don't think these maps are very accurate. Not that don't speak general truths (they do) but I never see a source. According to that map somewhere between 2-5 of ever person you meet in Southern Puglia is light haired. Is that really true? Who knows.

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Oh we can keep the French then?
Nice!

>>78760334

Lombardy(german colony) = Brown
Apulia (greek colony) = Blonde

Legit map

>>78761983
>Galicia: bad teeth (they had some Briton diaspora fleeing the Saxons) and less Carthaginian admixture (due to position)

Why the fuck this colonials always talk non-sense shit out of their ass? Carthaginians had almost no impact in all iberian peninsula, they were traders
Iberians were always white altlanto meds and not nordic stock, we are basically paleolithic and also some neolithic. And that's what we are now.

>>78760782
DON'T ANSWER ME IN OC
EVER
AGAIN

>>78762898
apulia is full of slav immigrant retard

>>78760334
meh, not really
you know France is pretty big and there's a lot of people. I assure you, I'm of charentais and alsatian blood, i don't look med at all. My charentais family, same

We are at the crossroad of every meaningful cultures of the past 2000 years
We are the mix of latin, anglo, celt and germanic
Are we southern Europe? Yes
Are we western Europe? Yes
Are we northern Europe? Yes
We are both a country of sea and of land
Gog and Magog

We inherited the philosophy from the deep Greeks,
the christianity from the smart Jews,
the legal and military tradition from the strong Romans,
the wine, the cheese and all the delicacies of the world from the spirited Gauls
and finally the sense of honor from the straightforward Franks

We carved a language to achieve the highest poetry
And from all those traits we are the revolutionnary people because this country found itself on a strange place, in strange times and, for better and for worse, learned to never back down on its demands to human existence

This is not over

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>>78763195
Vai t'escoundre filh de puta.

>>78763036
Carthage actually took control of a huge chunk of Iberia. They weren't "just" traders but also colonizers who rivalled Rome in this regard.

>same color in Northern France and Northern Portugal

Portuguese cumskins unite , we wuz

>>78763602
Tu n'escoundras personne, ridicule cancrelat mexicain

>>78763737
>Tu n'escoundras personne
Teua maire :^)

>ridicule cancrelat mexicain
diguèt lo nìgero-italianofòn. Ops, "nìge[GHHHRRRGAAAHHRRRGH]o", doblidèri lo R.

[inb4 oc, ieu mèrdaposti.]

>>78764115
Glad this ""language"" disappeared from the earth and soon from history

lmao and serbs call bosnians turks

>>78763681
Indeed Kang Barbosa, you wuz

>>78764839
Said the speaker of another """language""" that will eventually disappear from Earth too.
Tu sabes que La Vergonha venirai encara, tanben par francilhots, oc?

"Blue", not "bleu". "Weekend", not "fin de semaine". Be clean, speak English.

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>>78760334
>mfw i'm in the 20-49%

>>78765938
English already took 70% of its vocabulary from french

>>78766062
are you high?

>>78766062
50%. And "marginal" vocabulary means nothing compared to "core" vocabulary, grammar and phonology.

The fact you're a Romance speaker and yet you need to use English here with most other Romance speakers already say something. French dialect is going the same way as Occitan:

"Oh, French? Ah, some dialect spoken by rural rednecks. They're too dumb to learn English so they use this shit, lol."

>>78766212
No it only means one thing :
English is the lingua franca of the current imperial powers

But you know, imperial powers come and go
French was in such a position not so long ago

>>78766472
Yes, English might be deceased soon too, the way of Latin. But something you're forgetting: the local dialects like French go faster than linguae francae - otherwise you'd be speaking something Celtic instead. (inb4 AND NO, LOANWORDS LIKE CERVOISE DO NOT MAKE YOUR LANGUAGE CELTIC)

>>78762490
this type of ancestry you're talking about doesn't seem particularly higher in the south, sometimes it's actually higher in the north for some reason. also pre-Celtic persisted in the south and the east and this could arguably play a role in small differences too

these maps are shit anyway and the difference might be 1 to 20 or 19 to 20 but you couldn't tell anyway

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>>78766573
There's also the problem you got two waves from Northern Africans influencing the region - Carthage and the Moors. I'd say the later is the one who got the higher results in Galicia because, well, the Ummayad did take control of the region.

I agree the map is shit. Too rough, 20% divisions aren't enough.

>>78766758
it's possible that even the Romans increased that sort of ancestry there, if they had it at the time like all Italians today do

>>78766062
lol
it's 30% moron

>>78766538
And you're forgetting two things

1-There is not only one kind of dead languages
Some made themselves virtually eternal by creating a corpus of poetry, litterature, philosophy, etc... great enough to be relevant to learn even thousands of years after their death
Greek and latin are obviously belonging to this category
French, english and german are made of this same steel

2- The world has never known such a level of technical development and pretending to know how will occur the next transmissions and disappearances of languages is foolish

>>78767089
English is overall in the most robust position right now due to the international influence of the USA

something catastrophic would have to happen to the USA for that kind of thing to change. maybe German (which is currently in the least robust position of the three languages you mentioned) would emerge as a new lingua franca, at least in Europe, at some point after that

Why are French in denial?

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>>78766062
>>78767029
>>78766212
Fine, I've decided to look it up. 30% as >>78767029 said, I've confused with the whole Latin+Romance chunk.

Still. The only language that somehow managed to mess with English _core_ vocab was Old Norse, the other loanwords are fairly prone to be replaced.

>>78767089
My post is more on the lines of "don't say you're glad a language is dying because the next one might be yours". It's more of a thought provocation than an actual statement about the future.

>>78767089
>2- The world has never known such a level of technical development and pretending to know how will occur the next transmissions and disappearances of languages is foolish
In general more technical development = languages spread faster over other languages = linguicide happens faster. However this is more of a trend.

>Some made themselves virtually eternal by creating a corpus of poetry, litterature, philosophy, etc... great enough to be relevant to learn even thousands of years after their death
Like Occitan?
Have fun: http://www.trobar.org/troubadours/aurenga/aa39.php

>>78761236
>Barbarbarbarbarbar

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French have sub-Saharan African admixture just like rest of the southern Europe (especially poortugal)

>>78767673
the languages he mentioned are much more foundational. to compare with another set of languages mentioned, e.g. medieval (non-atticizing) Greek had a corpus with interesting works too but its influence obviously was nothing like that of classical and koine (though it's still studied well enough)

but in the very long run, who knows

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>>78767892
I think african admixture include north africa, even morocco cant be this karlouche

>>78767925
Bro, if we stick to "foundational" languages, there are only five, and neither of them is French or German. Arguably English might become one in the future? Arguably. But at the end of the day, the differences between the impact of a Molière and impact of a Timarion are just "when" and "where", not "how much".

>>78768098
god, it's <1% and will pop up sometimes depending on how your ADMIXTURE runs are set up. it has nothing to do with north africans since the sample was 100% ethnic french. here, take this one if you prefer it

the two regions in Europe who show 'significant' sub-Saharan admixture every time are south italy and iberia but it's normal for almost every european region to show a little bit

>>78767714
Barbarfoolbarbarbarlanguagebarbeautiful

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>>78768254
woops

>>78768180
sure but that's a different consideration, you're basically wondering whether even French or German deserve that title (arguably they do to some extent), not disputing the overall point?

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>>78768254
Sure habibi, us meds aren't negros haha

>>78768355
not sure what J1 has to do with anything. but contemporary North Africans are about 20% sub-Saharan, that wasn't wrong

Yet again on French borrowings.

One thing lots of French posters don't really get is that the "French" borrowed into English is NOTHING like the "French" you speak. It's medieval Norman; arguably Norman and French are dialects of the same language, but there's still centuries* of split. After the influence was gone, can we really talk about French surviving in English vocabulary?

>>78768328
Context: >>78766538 was talking about language death, and >>78767089 countered by saying a language with a literary corpus becomes eternal. I'm showing French will at most achieve the same as Byzantine Greek - local relevance, never becoming truly eternal like Latin or Attic Greek.

>>78768480
yeah, sure, I got your point and that's why I said more foundational languages are more robust influence-wise even after their death.

also apart from literary works, both (especially) French and Byzantine Greek influenced massive areas linguistically

>>78768457
The joke is the arab admixture of southern european gyro-kun.
Anyways maghrebis have less subsaharan admixture than that, it's just that the studies on north africans are disproportionatly on saharawis who are a minority.

>>78768597
and I'm referring to strictly modern French here. even many daily expressions in most European countries, not to mention half the names for modern inventions, have a French background

>>78768646
J1 has nothing to do solely with "Arab" admixture, you'd have to look at subclades. it has been found in the Paleolithic Caucasus, Neolithic Iran, Neolithic and Bronze Age Anatolia

>>78760831
It's just "De" Hernandez.

Like Da Silva which is pretty common in brazil

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>>78768707
Sure thing khuya

>>78760378
>>78760440
>>78760587
how do you even perceive this as an insult?

Meds are literally superior to nordcucks in every way

>>78762898
>Lombardy(german colony)
>lolbard cuck fantasies

>>78768858
It's also very common in Portugal, it has nothing to do with slavery

>>78768597
Off-topic: I'm kinda sad at the current status of Byzantine studies. The language has some good stuff to offer, even if only consider secular works; and yet most Classicists I see only really bother with Attic and Koine works. Always "MUH HERODOTUS!", never "MUH AKROPOLITES"; always "MUH ARISTOPHANES!", but then you ask them about Journey to Hades and they say "lolwut".

[I agree on the general grounds of what you're saying.]

>>78768858
"Da" includes the article though (it's equivalent to "de la" in Spanish).
And "da Silva" isn't a good comparison because it's clearly location-based, not ownership-based. Maybe "da Fonseca"

>>78760440
T.m'bombo al-algeri

>>78768939
E has nothing to do with "Arab" or "North African" admixture either, you'd have to look at subclades again. the EV13 in the Balkans has been found in Neolithic and Bronze Age European contexts, some subclades in France and Iberia are obviously recent entrants from North Africa

gosh

>>78769039
huh cool, you even know of Mazaris, guess you're a gentleman and a scholar

>>78768996
It was a common trope for former slaves to adopt the owner's surname preceded by "da" (of the [family]), that's why I joked "de los Hernandez" ("of the Hernandez guys"). But acc. to >>78768858 it doesn't work that way in Spanish.

The ones you find in Portugal are most of the time "da Costa" [of the coast], "da Silva" [of the jungle] and similar.

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>>78769204
> t. Mustafa Rastapopoulos

>>78769329
see, now you're talking. guess I wasn't wrong about France and Iberia showing them at higher levels overall either :P

It's a joke because people with actual platinum blonde hair like to dye it dark. And by people I mean girls.

>>78769408
Those often have blue eyes, and let's be frank: blue eyes + black hair = GOAT

>>78769204
Thanks. I'm not either yet though.

>>78760334
from this map it looks like the only light ones are German, Dutch or Briton rapebabies

>>78772039
and finno-ugrics. ugrics are the only reason why north/west russians have light hair

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>>78772150
Will you save your brethren from the Slavic menace

>>78767892
>Albania has more "African" admixture than Greece

That's how you know the map is totally bullshit.

>>78761047
You're not wrong. France is like a transition zone between northern and southern european culture.

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>>78768939
>posting the macro instead of subcaldes
>thinking some saharan nigger will ever be related to Balkans

Only E-V13 is the human E, the rest of the subclades are of animal origin.

>>78772968
volga germans aren't our brethen breh

>>78769329
E-M81 carriers in the Balkans are all gypsies since gypos claim they come from Egypt anyway.

>>78773312
>>78773259
>>78773164
god, what a butthurt Albanian. and yes, I've seen Albanian individuals get more SSA than Greek ones sometimes, that happens when the admixture is so low (<1%)

>>78773476
he isn't Albanian, he's probably a Bulgarian retard that used to post in /balk/ until he got bullied out of it

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>>78761236
>(((Latin)))
Fuck you, Sven

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>>78773476
>more SSA
Hahahahahaha sure

>>78767533
any source for this image?

>>78773572
you showed an ADMIXTURE chart where neither Albanians or Greeks get any really visible SSA (the orange component) to disprove my point?

two Greeks get 1-pixel and two Albanians get 1 and 2 pixels respectively. if anything you made my point

>>78773778
Look closely, Greeks have more subsaharan negroid admixture and australoid gypsy admixture than Albanians in the chart.

When's is Occitania going to be free?

>>78773839
er no, I now checked in paint just to humor you

a couple more Greeks get a bit of the orange component but the Albanians (especially 1) that get it have overall a bit more of it

which was my point, when admixture is that low you can find individuals that will have more of it in one sample like in this case

and the purple isn't 'gypsy' admixture, it's something very old in the Caucasus-Iran-South Asia area. the Greeks who get it also get less of the Karitiana admixture (that Albanians and Bulgarians get more of) which obviously isn't direct Karitiana admixture but something more ancient too which South Asians also get

so basically you were bullshitting as usual

>>78769045
t.

...

who cares about Finland?

>>78774135
Nowadays hardly anyone cares about France mate

>>78774188
suuuuuure thing

you are all obsessed with us

>>78774080
Nigger you're blind as fuck. Smh

Where did you get the "karitina" admixture from? And the chart is an average of racial admixtures. Greeks are naturally more negroid for a variety of reasons.

>>78760378
>being this butthurt lmao
and they say americans can't take banter?

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Fucking nigger shits never learn. Greeks average around 1%+ negroid admixture not <1%.

>>78774354
again, check it for yourself, the Albanian gets more of the orange component (2 pixels versus 1). so your chart proved exactly what I said

>Where did you get the "karitina" admixture from?

you must be blind, look at the green component in Europeans that peaks in Karitiana

>Greeks are naturally more negroid for a variety of reasons

yes, 'reasons' that you pulled out of your ass

>>78774581
You blind Greek nigger, Albania has one pixel while Greece has a whooping two!

And gypos have the most australoid admixture in Europe, Greece also has more australoid than Albanians and Bulgarians combined.

>>78774569

>>78774569
that Moorjani sample included Greek Cypriots who were an important part of the whole thing,. they actually didn't end up using the Greek sample in the finally study exactly because of the difference between the two populations

(and it used a method that overestimate sub-Saharan ancestry but there's no need to get itno that)

it's hilarious that you think I don't know what study you're referring to. you're a little bitch basically

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>>78774639
>You blind Greek nigger, Albania has one pixel while Greece has a whooping two!

ah ok, you're just trolling me, I shouldn't have bought into it but it's a nice clarification either way. but just to make the point clear

>>78774814
So basically I'm right and you're wrong. Are you seriously this fucking retarded? Greece has more orange everybody can see that, stay mad nigger.

>>78774989
are you a bit of a dipshit or just doubling down on the trolling? you're supposed to read it horizontally, not vertically

vertical = number of samples (notice how some are thicker than others becuase of more samples?), horizontal = admixture

>>78775046
lmao holy shit you Greek nigger, are you that retarded? Literally look at the fucking chart XD!

Btw more proof for Greek negroid admixtute. Stay mad niggereek.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12392505/

>>78775183
yeah, the chart that shows exactly what I said. what you keep posting (an HLA study from 2002 now) is just mounting proof that you're trolling

the match isn't anytime soon either so I will just go to bed and stop feeding you