1st worlders unironically think that a middle class person in

>>78711369
The minimum wage here is 1830 dollars a month + a months salary as a summer bonus + paid free days.

>>78711369
How does a poor person in Latin America rise up to middle class is it hard?

>>78711457
It's pretty easy if you know how to make drugs

>>78711436
>According to The City Paper, Colombia’s minimum wage stands at COP 689,455 per month since January 1, 2016; which roughly equals to USD 236.
>Numbeo reports that the average salary of Bogotá, Colombia is COP 1,131,788, which is approximately USD 387

>>78711369
Because we do make less, laundering money for narcos doesn't make you middle class

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>mfw sudacas think they're our equal

>>78711507
I make around 500 usd a month. A middle class household makes about 1000-2000 usd on average. Por people obviously make way less

>>78711457
It quite is. Lots of people here have an immediate gratification mindset. I have coworkers who literally blow 50%+ of their monthly salary drinking and partying on a weekend or at the casino

>>78711624
So your middle class earns as much as our minimum wage people.

In the Netherlands it's hard to become poor. But it's also hard to get exceptional wages, like you sometimes see in America.

>>78711624
>A middle class household makes about 1000-2000 usd on average
That's not first world tier

>>78711624
<2000 usd a household meaning 2 adults?

Middle class household here makes around 6000 euros or so per month

>>78711715
You do have to account for purchasing power, while middle class in Latin America doesn't get to travel as often as Europeans in general we'd enjoy a similar lifestyle, arguably we eat better (as in fresh less processed food) and we get laid more often on having a more laid back culture.

>>78711867
I'll just leave this here.

>The Netherlands is No. 1 in the world for having the most plentiful, nutritious, healthy and affordable diet
https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2014-01-15/dutch-beat-french-and-swiss-top-oxfams-new-global-food-table

>>78711867
>arguably we eat better
yet you are as fat or fatter than us now (in Mexico at least).

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>>78711867
Time to account for purchasing power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

>Netherlands 51,049
>Mexico 18,938
>Colombia 14,130

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>>78711867
Now let's compare Mexico's laid back culture with the Dutch one.

>>78711910
>>78711938
>>78712003
>>78712089
based NL

>>78711938
kek, someone got triggered, I've been in the Netherlands several times, you basically eat British tier food but without the few tasty treats they've got. Your orange juice is fucking kool aid, fruit is expensive and misteriously doesn't get brown spots in a couple of days, the meat is frozen, etc. The chart you posted accounts for avilability of a "healthy diet" eg doesn't reflect what people actually eat and is for the most part based on earning power, ofc countries like mine are going to look bad. We are talking middle class tho.

>>78712003
And yeah, people here cannot afford to buy the latest smartphone as often, we can on the other hand afford full time maids. Again it isn't just as straightforward as that.

>>78711935
True, we do eat more vegetables overall than you do however.

>>78712089
Yeah, that was about getting laid, by all means post data on that or fertility rates.

>>78712402
We are a food export country. In fact, the second food exporting country of the world.
Our food is fresh of the field often within a day. Eating fresh is a huge thing here.

And you can prevent brown spots on fruit by sinking it into vitamin c water.

>>78712423
Women get pregnant every time they get laid in Mexico?

>>78712402
>the meat is frozen
????
Yeah if you go to the part of the supermarket where they only sell frozen food you'll come across frozen meat sure but by far the most of the food isn't frozen. Sounds like you went to a fucking aldi or something instead of a proper supermarket or a butcher's shop.

>>78712402
56% of Dutch land is used for agriculture, in case you didn't realize.

>>78711624
I'm a low-class blue-collar pleb, and I make over $3000 a month.
Like I'm poor as shit compared to the vast majority of people in my state.

>>78712525
Yeah, I know you export food, you're also a temperate country that can't grow stuff full year and forget about tropical crops.

And yeah, maybe the chemical aftertaste is vitamin C, I'm just saying your fruit is waxy and doesn't behave like the stuff you can literally pick out of trees in here.

I've got peaches and figs, not even talking stuff like bananas.

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>>78711624
>1000-2000 usd on average
So, basically a poor person here.

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>>78712680
>you're also a temperate country that can't grow stuff full year
We have the biggest fields of green houses in the world. And a lot of them are automated.

Your really thinking like a third worlder.

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>>78712764
You mean it's not sun ripened tomatoes? And do you keep a lot of fruit orchards under those green houses? How good are your mangoes?

How can third wolders compete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAOVuSuQ4Ro

>>78712916
Tomatoes are grown in green houses. And they are actually very cheap to produce because they only get exactly what they need.

>>78711624
ive got some bad news for you m8 lmao. Middle class family here would be making at least $5k a month

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>>78712977
So how many different kinds of flowers do you grow in the Netherlands?

>itt: people from 3rd world countries try to come up as wealthy despite having it worse on every metric

>>78712977
Starving, underpaid third-world labor.

It's a very profitable economic practice.

>>78712916
We are a bigger tomato exporter than Mexico. u mad?

It's absolutely hilarious watching this third world mexishit getting btfo on every point

keep it up dutchbros

>>78713130
It depends on the year. Some years Mexico exports more. Some years the Netherlands.

>>78711369
Middle class is a term relative for each country. If you are middle class in Latin America you are not making as much as middle class in the U.S./Canada or Western Europe. You still have a good life (I'm assuming) but you don't actually make the same.

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>>78713061
No idea. But we're top exporter.

>>78712402
>get proved wrong
>"kek you got triggered xd"

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>>78711867
>fresh less processed food

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>>78713290
What's the point of that if you're not having fresh flowers on your own table?

Seriously, this isn't about who's the bigger exporter of vegetables and flowers, it's a negligible part of our economy unlike you, but quality of life. Again, I've been to the Netherlands, objectively the stuff you do actually eat is shit.

>>78713223
I was kinda surprised when I searched for this one, I'd have thought Brazil and India would turn out different.

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>>78711369
YA TE VI 0n JSAKDJSAKDJSAKJSKADJAKJS

>>78713410
Oxfam novib is more of an authority on this matter than you. And they state you are the ones eating shit. See
>>78711910
>>78711938

>>78713469
Yes, I adressed that already >>78712288
unlike you I actually read what they were charting. Oxfam is a charity dealing with hunger, not quality of life for middle classes.

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>>78712764
>Agriculture next to an urban area, and maintaining the traditional architecture of the houses
NICE, very nice

>>78713469
The data lists can be found here.
http://www.oxfam.org.uk/what-we-do/good-enough-to-eat

Mexican food is less affordable, has a lower food quality. And you also shitty eating habits that get you diabetes.

>>78713571
wrong link >>78712402

>>78713604
Here is a more likely theory. Maybe your Mexican ass never realized what fresh non-fat food tasted like until you arrived here.

>>78713590
Again, we are talking middle classes you autist, that measures availability, not what people actually eat.

>>78711938
>USA is closer to us than Europe
kek

>>78711369
Kek
My parents are engineers and make around 3k USD each before taxes, we live worse than american middle class but still the poor people here in this shithole think we're some kind of elite. I fucking hate the poor.

>>78711369
>Colombia
shut up and sell me cocaine Pablo.

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this gif would fit better

>>78713643
What did i use as parameters? Oh yeah
fresh squeezed orange juice which I get for USD 50 cents vs the toxic kool aid I got in the Netehrlands, fruits that don't spoil and are waxy vs what I can pick on my own yard, the quality of your frozen beef vs what I can get here.

And seriously if you want to talk cuisine, does your country even have one?

>>78713752
Yeah, we eat fresh fruits while Mexicans are getting diabetes.

>>78712977
Nice.

>>78713803
Oh yes, so fresh, straight from Africa

>>78711624
>A middle class household makes about 1000-2000 usd on average.
That's lower class here.

>>78711624
>1000-2000 usd a month

nigga i made that from a minecraft server when i was 15

you guys are fucking delusional im sorry

>>78713590
>Mexican has a lower food quality

There is a certain sector of the Mexican middle class, such as the lad you are arguing with, who fell for the "pacha mama" naturalist garbage meme, so everything that is processed is automatically bad and everything grown "naturally" (i.e. more prone to parasites, less resistan to plagues and climate, less productive and more expensive) is automatically good.

They lose their minds at the mere suggestion that maybe we should start adapting the technologies of the green revolution (GMOs in particular) in order to be more competitive, so that our poor, rural people doesn't lag behind (and maybe that way we wouldn't rely on importing fucking corn _a 100% mesoamerican and mexican product_ from the US). We are even thinking on starting to import fucking Avocados (another 100% Mexican product) because they are expensive due to the excessive demand and low productivity. Developing more resistant and productive crops seems to be the perfect solution, but no, fuck that, "it's not natural, therefore bad", so instead, we are forced to import products (that are GMOs themselves, as other countries use them to compete, and WE buy their products, unless he doesn't eat corn) we could farm ourselves, by shitheads like him, who dominate our politics from their comfy upper middle class neighbourhoods in Mexico City, while our poor farmers face droughts.

His entire argument is that we eat "natural" and you don't, so we win. Fucking stupid.

>>78711624
>A middle class household makes about 1000-2000 usd on average
by household I assume you mean 2 people? Because here 2000 per month means you'll be living on beans and rice for dinner every day

>>78713893
According to Dutch researchers we could feed 9 billion people with half of the space we use now, if we start growing vertically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3dK2_ksvk

que idiota este mejiNARCO

1st worlders unironically think 2000 usd go as far in their cunts as they go here

In the US and Europe you'd pay 1k to rent a fucking shoebox, while you can buy monthly rentals here for as low as 200 usd. You gotta take proportions into account, folks. With 100 usd I cN buy food for myself for a whole month and so on.

>>78714049
Half of the space the Netherlands uses now I mean. So there are no capacity limits if you just use your land wisely.

>>78711583
>LOS ESTADOS UNIDOSDE AMERICA
>not a sudaca country

>>78713987
Nah man, that's your own agenda for some weird reason seeping into a discussion that isn't about that, yes I did see your not so subtle jab on the thread.

They don't actually use GMOs in the Netherlands, the EU only allows a very small number to be used and they export to the whole continent. As for green revolution techniques you may have missed Norman Burlaug got it started in our country and that many of its techniques are actually widespread.

Not getting into the whole GMO argument with you, it's fucking off topic which if you weren't a shithead who can't be bothered to fucking read you'd have realized just looking at the thread.

But hey, good you got a chance to get it off your chest.

>>78714309
I know who you are and how you think. This is exactly where you are coming from as I have had this discussion with you before. >>78711867
>arguably we eat better (as in fresh less processed food)
hurr durr, processed = bad

>gets proven wrong several times

hurr durr fresh meme

>imports half of our food from the US

Keep being as suborn and ridiculous as a fucking mule.

>>78714309
Actually we use GMO's. But they have to be at least equally healthy.
Any negative health effects will lead to a ban.

Plus they have to put a sticker on it that it's GMO. Which doesn't really help selling it. I don't remember seeing one considering the healthy food hype going on here.

>>78714592
Our GMO products are mostly white listed products imported from the USA.

>>78714522
Dude, you're missing the whole point to this discussion and your having a hard on for me doesn't change that. I made my argument, it's perfectly fine if you disagree, it really is, but you're not addressing that and I'm not feeling like arguing a strawman with you.

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Europeans make shitloads of money but still they can't afford beef and steaks are a luxury food there.

>>78711583
This is the thing that offends me the most

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>>78714896
We prefer to eat pink skins.

>>78714146
>In the US and Europe you'd pay 1k to rent a fucking shoebox
Maybe in New York City
Where I live $1,000 gets you about a 3,000 sq ft house

>>78714809
>I made my argument
What argument?
Other than "fruit is expensive" in non-tropical countries (which should be obvious), there isn't a single point that doesn't rely on subjective shit and anecdotes based on misinformation (I tried it and I didn't like it because it was processed).

The data the showed you already proved you wrong. And not only that, but our food happens to be even more processed than theirs as we import it from the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/06/mexico-considers-importing-avocados-as-global-demand-drives-up-prices?CMP=share_btn_tw

It's news like these (from this week) that get me pissed off at this feng shui mentality from the people who are supposedly informed (our middle class, such as yourself). It's way beyond an embarrassment that you use my flag to argue stupid shit, because it reaches things like that.

Is pepe about to hit wojak in that pic?

>>78712680
>you're also a temperate country that can't grow stuff full year and forget about tropical crops.

Tropical agriculture is literally nigger-tier. It's very difficult to grow staple crops consistently in a tropical biome.

>>78711369
Nah, we know you earn similar. It just goes less far and probably also gets taxed more. Worst of both worlds.

>>78715009
That's weird, since it's the cheapest meat

>>78715116
they're teaming up against (You)

>>78715095
>feng shui mentality
Again, I don't give a fuck about your agenda, the points I made was simply that middle classes in Latin America do have some advantages compared to their counterparts in wealthier nations, I mentioned stuff like maids, sex, purchasing power on some items and food.

The Dutch anon started going a bit crazy on that, you can go back on the thread and see something like 3 posts to every one I made, and agriculture was a thing he started going on but I tried to stick to how well middle classes eat. You've gotta be delussional stupid if you think buying fresh squeezed juice in the morning, which is cheap and easy in Mexico, is going to compare to juice that's been processed for instance.

It had nothing to do with GMOs and I wasn't actually proven wrong on that, or in my view the whole argument overall, Seriously a lot of people here act like they've got ADD, it's your fucking problem you can't focus and follow what a discussion is about.

>>78715155
Because constant temperature and high levels of sunlight are somehow bad? We are not talking subsistence farming on a rainforest.

>>78711436
1000 for an apartment and the rest goes to taxes and food

>>78715617
I don't give a fuck that you are delusional enough to think that poorer middle classes with poorer infrastructure and services have some things better than the richer ones. What I give a fuck is about your naturalist garbage, that you brought up.

Retarded OP with retarded bread.
1000 usd on Colombia? Mínimum? Gtfo
Hete in Chile we made 1000 usd middleclass money.

Upper class mades like 2000 usd.

Mínimum is like 400 usd wich with the actual cost of living, is shit. And you say that Ecuador has best salary/quality of life?

Eurofags and amerifats has best everything, but they are core weak genz faggots.

>>78715796
Wey, it's just bantz, although I'd advise you to actually travel/live outside the country for a while if you think there aren't any real advantages to living here, because I've got plenty of US/Euro friends living here who certainly think otherwise as in making real life choices outside of a Polish sharpei breeding forum.

And are you honestly debating fucking Tropicana is just as good as fresh squeezed OJ? You can't fucking tell the difference?

Yes, I'm an upper middle class white proggressive wewuzzing indigenista with hippie leanings. Yes, I fucking buy organic, vote lefty and sign my name supporting EZLN and opposing Laguna Verde and Monsanto. Deal with it.

>>78716607
I really, really don't care that you vote left either, I am leftist myself, and so is the author of the feng-shui book. But man, cut the crap with the greenpeace propaganda. There's 0 reason to support it, unless you are 1) dumb and ignorant, or 2) you have a conflict of interests in the issue. Or both.

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>>78711369
>people reply to an obvious 0n bait thread

STOP. IGNORE HIM.

>>78716133

>1000 usd on Colombia? Mínimum? Gtfo
>Hete in Chile we made 1000 usd middleclass money.

Not really, we are talking about household. That's barely $150 more than a two parents home were both make min wage, $1000 it's low class.

>Upper class mades like 2000 usd.
Kek, not at all. That's middle class you dumbass.

>Mínimum is like 400 usd wich with the actual cost of living, is shit.

No one makes min wage, min wage its either for part time jobs, or as the basis of a commission based wage. And yes, it's shit. The average salary during harvest season for fruit pickers is close to $800.

>>78711436
1830 of which you pay 50% in taxes and rest goes to overpriced rent, food etc.

>>78716133
M8, sorry to break this for you, but your reading comprehension is shieeet. Nowhere in that post does it say that $1000 usd is the minimum wage here. I'm saying that on average, a middle class household makes between $1000 and $2000. A person with a professional degree can make $1000 easily. Minimum wage here is about $300, but only entry level low skilled workers actually make that

>>78716133
Third world are full of delusional faggots
Chile, as usual, dropping the truth

>>78719038
He basically reworded this post into shitty ass broken english ---> >>78711624