This is a very serious question that I have for people who are

>>78663067
Because Kim is autistitic

Bump for interest.

Ahhhh fuck no more reasons why? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

>>78664266
Influence what?
NK even declared themselves are not communist country they dont even respect former soviet any more

They are in weird combination of de facto monarchy and socialism they call juche

>>78663067
>Ignoring all of the economic and political ties with North Korea, why can't Moscow influence Pyongyang in any meaningful way?

i don't understand this question

>>78663067
For the same reason we can't influence Poland or Romania anymore, since they aren't our satellite. Try asking your slunt-eyed friends in Beijing instead.

>>78664436
How do I phrase this differently?

Why hasn't Moscow reached out to Pyongyang or try to influence the DPRK in any meaningful way in order to take a jab back at the U.S. for their anti-Russia rhetoric? China is getting tired of North Korea and based on what I read up on the situation, it seems like Moscow is trying to replace China as a backer of North Korea.

>>78664515
Because there's nothing in it for the Russians, why would they want to sponsor Kim Jong Un? It's an expense they can ill afford and China is commited anyway, other than keeping the area from becoming a nuclear wasteland they have no real interest there, business wise it isn't worth the trouble and having Trump continuously embarrassing himself on foreign policy has a lot more worth than going through all the trouble of trying looking as good guys to the West when they know it's going to do shit for the issues they actually do care about.

Puttin is way too smart to get dragged into that mess.

>in order to take a jab back at the U.S. for their anti-Russia rhetoric

literally for what purpose

>>78664611
>and having Trump continuously embarrassing himself on foreign policy

Explain without using Huffington Post talking points.

>>78664515
But in reality it was you favourite Ukraine who sold them new rocket engine. Suits you well for supporting coup in Kiev in 2014.

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>>78664686
If the Norks are buying rocket engines from Ukraine, then I wouldn't worry about their missiles doing much of anything. We bought rocket engines from them as well and found out the truth.

Pyongyang ridicules Russia in their history books, they say the CPSU gave up in 1991 and laid down without a fight. They criticize China as well, although not as openly because they need them for energy and fuel.

If MacArthur had not been a colossal idiot, we could have solved this problem 67 years ago.

>>78664673
>Trump warns of fire and fury the likes of which have never been seen on this earth if North Korea continues to make threats
>Pyongyang immediately issues a specific threat against Guam
>The People's Daily has a field day with editorials mocking Trump

When you have Tillerson and Haley privately telling diplomats in the region to ignore whatever POTUS says you've pretty much lost all credibility in the region.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91eIDu6Aw-8

>>78664789
Kimmy has shut his pie hole so evidently it's working.

You think Obama's handling of North Korea was somehow better?

>>78664686
>coup
????
Oh yes, Crimea voted 99% in favor of joining Russia, and every single Crimean person cast a vote? :^) Sounds like North-Korean elections.

>>78664631
Sort of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back" type of idea. Both the DPRK and Russia seem to oppose the West and the United States and if Russia sides with Baathist Syria, wouldn't it make sense for them to side with other anti-imperialist states like North Korea?

>>78664806
>2017
>he still believes Crimea wanted to stay in Ukraine

Trump cut off aid to Syrian rebels (ie. Islamofascists). That's a step in the right direction.

>>78664815
Yeah dude, Crimea wanted out just like Eastern Ukraine :^)
And Middle Ukraine :^)
And after that Western Ukraine :^)
Whole Ukraine wants to join Russia, m8. They think they want independence but they dont :^)

>>78646506

This too. Let 'em be mad.

>>78664850
Yes, donbass would rather not be part of a illegitimate government that is currently shelling themwhata surprise.

>>78664673
That's the butthurt guy who's mad about the wall getting built and his border hopper cousins being used as forced labor to build it.

>>78664850
ukraine is certainly such a good country to live in, nobody would ever want to leave it :^)

>>78664802
You did read the part about their making a specific threat right after Trump dared them not to?

Obama was looking to align most of the region with US interests through TPP, the "pivot to Asia" strategy and spoke with calmness and confidence whenever Kim issued threats, cooling things down and allowing diplomacy to work effectively. His was a long term game for the region, they probably acknowledged they couldn't force the regime out and worked with China on containment.

Yes, it didn't quite resolve things but it certainly was a lot better than getting caught lying about the deployment of aircraft carriers or blurting out details on the location of American ballistic subs.

Yeah, I realize you're probably conservative and don't like hearing this but try and be objective, "mishandled" is being kind refering to Trump's dealings with North korea.

>>78664910
TPP was not a good thing, it allowed multinational corporations to sue the citizens of foreign countries for copyright infringement in their own special courts. That's not a world I want to live in.

>>78664806
you don't even know what happened in 2014 why do you even write about it

here is the coup that he meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

>>78664910
>Obama was looking to align most of the region with US interests through TPP, the "pivot to Asia" strategy and spoke with calmness and confidence whenever Kim issued threats, cooling things down and allowing diplomacy to work effectively
And yet, they kept building more and more missiles from 2009 to 16.

In other news, I believe the League of Nations was very successful in stopping Hitler, no?

>>78663067
how do you know this is not exactly what china, russia, and other players want NK to be?
a totalitarian state that holds as hostages all of its civilian population and a west-friendly developed asian nation (SK)
small as it is NK is the ultimate buffer, there is very little to gain by initiating violence against it and every year their dictator dinasty accrues ever greater means to retaliate should anyone rain in their parade
NK isn't in the business of blowing up SK, it is in the business of letting everyone know it will blow SK if anyone objects about the awful, awful way they threat their subjects

>>78664933
I agree on that, but scarping the deal rather than re-negotiating was a blunder, it walked out on decades of American foreign policy on the region. Trump hasn't even gotten started on working out any of the bilateral deals he claimed would replace TPP, meanwhile Canada, Australia and New Zealand are looking to join Mexico's Pacific Alliance trading bloc and China is filling in the power vacuum.

>>78664899
kek, how would I be butthurt about an unobtainium see through, solar powered wall that can whitstand a good half hour of being worked with a jackhammer while looking impressive from the north side?

You know whatever Trump finally rolls out as his "wall" is going to be something deeply disapointing and that we'll be openly making contests in Mexico on better ways to get through replicas.

>>78664978
The pivot to Asia was about containing China, not North Korea, and about ensuring competitive advantages for the US, eg not allowing China to export manufactured goods in breach of American intelectual property.

China is about as concerned about North Korea as the US, publically backing them onto a corner didn't exactly work out for the US did it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/trump-immigration-border.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/28/big-drop-in-number-illegal-immigrants-entering-us-through-its-southern-border.html

http://time.com/4167626/donald-trump-ted-cruz-ads-immigration/

Lyl Trump hasn't even actually done anything but vaguely suggest he's building a wall and they're all fleeing back outta here.

>>78665019
>small as it is NK is the ultimate buffer, there is very little to gain by initiating violence against it and every year their dictator dinasty accrues ever greater means to retaliate should anyone rain in their parade

Because Kim is unhinged enough that he could start a war in northeast Asia that would not be to China's benefit in any way. They wish they could have a regime in there under their complete control.

>>78665184
They were already not migrating to the US for something close to a decade, you can't be serious

>>78663067
Everyone hates North Korea, even China, it's a pain in her ass. The only reason China still has ties with North Korea is because of nostalgia from the Korean War. The western narrative is that North Korea is acting as a buffer from American countrolled South Korea, but China already has deep economic ties with South Korea removing North Korea would furthen these ties resulting in prosperity for both countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/mexico-torture-migrants-citizens-central-america

http://www.france24.com/en/20170425-focus-mexico-guatemala-border-frontera-sur-south-border-trump-wall-immigration

Now of course you know what happens to Central Americans who sneak into Mexi...oh right, they're beaten up by police and deported instantly.

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>>78665226
We would withdraw our troops from Korea if it became reunified anyway. However, if China is still insistent on having a buffer zone of sorts, the northern third of the peninsula (which I've marked here) could be left as a demilitarized neutral area. It's mountainous anyway and few people live there.

>>78665226
>The only reason China still has ties with North Korea is because of nostalgia from the Korean War.
This is also mostly irrelevant to Millenials anyway, but the people in charge of governments are Cold War babbies. On the Chinese Internet, they ridicule Kim Jong Un and joke about how North Korea looks like China in the 70s.

>>78665230
Yeah, all financed and ordered by you, I'll be very pleased when Trump keeps his word and puts a stop to that funding

>>78665300
>Yeah, all financed and ordered by you

I'm real sure we have anything to do with your police kicking the shit out of Guatemalan border hoppers.

>>78665204
of course china would love to have total control over NK, they both know it and keep an eye on each other
the only way china can fight NK in any meaningful way is to decrease trade with them, and they won't do it too much because it could cause NK to explode
everybody thinks, and it is reasonable, NK won't actually initiate anything by themselves and that they will only retaliate when the interests of Pyongyang are hindered
since the regime's main interest is to maintain the status quo within their borders other actors just let them be
if NK showed expansionary interests or directly disrupted the activities of other countries in the region then it would be a lot easier for a united multinational contingent to take them out

>>78665328
>if NK showed expansionary interests or directly disrupted the activities of other countries in the region then
So like threatening to nuke Guam?

>>78664807
But in all seriousness guys, if Russia is willing to ally with Syria why not do the same for North Korea, Russia and the DPRK don't trust America and the West and even though Russia isn't socialist anymore, they are nostalgia for the USSR and the North Korean army marches like the Russians and their music sounds Soviet like, and the Russians march to Soviet songs as well.

I think North Korea will collapse down the road if we can hold the line. The regime is less and less well liked by the people and they know more about the outside world than they once did.

It could collapse 5 or 10 or 30 years from now, but the end will come eventually.

>>78664673
every nation on earth went from fearing to openly mocking your country, thats a foriegn policy failure.

>>78665348
if they sent troops to occupy a place or supplied armaments to separatist forces in china (say tibet) or anti-russia contingents in ukraine that would be considered a expansionary interest
the daily bravados of the north korean government about which cities their guns can reach and how much damage they would cause is just a reminder for people to look somewhere else
the Jong family is full or crazies, but they all know they cannot be the first person to pull the trigger because that would be the last mandate they would issue
a great deal to strike with china would be for it to stop developing the north korean arsenal. it cannot be asked of them to actually starve those armories because that would instill fear in the regime and cause them to retaliate, but NK can be coherced (by China) to stop acquiring more and better artillery and missiles

>>78665368
what can norks give to russians? russia helps assad because of the pipe

but then russia has rather favorable ties with them, historically and generally just in case

>>78665478
>russia helps assad because of the pipe
>but then russia has rather favorable ties with them, historically and generally just in case

Most of the Arab states were historically pro-Moscow, yes.

>>78663067
For what purpose? North Korea doesnt have anythung to offer. Better Russia does meddles in Middle East than NK

>>78665478
Norks can give you Juche, Songun, socialism, and independence.

>>78665548
Some natural resources, but they're already mined by Chinese companies.

China will still want their buffer

Remember the only war where american force and ccp force gone full warfare is the korean war

China could sell NK off by gaining retreat of american force from korean peninsula but now its all over as kim got nukes

>>78665630
Do you even want NK to join your country? Wouldn't it become the worst burden ever for your economy?

Because Russians are White and North Koreans are Chinese.

>>78665630
>Remember the only war where american force and ccp force gone full warfare is the korean war

>>78664787
MacArthur was told by Washington to not go too close to the Chinese border, but no, he didn't listen. We should have stopped after taking Pyongyang and not gone north any further.

>>78665657
Not me but our Constitution does

>>78665709
>our Constitution
Lol. The americans' Korean constitution, you mean.

>>78665693
Intervening in the war was Mao Zedong's idea mostly, his generals didn't like it much because they didn't believe they could handle the technologically superior US military and at the time were still busy hunting down KMT holdouts.

>>78665828
Not a word
SK is the only former 3rd world shithole that could grow up to a member of OECD thanks to american military intervention and liberation

We are the only successful case of so called "american liberation"

>>78665259
>We would withdraw our troops from Korea if it became reunified anyway.
Jesus. That's too funny, stop man.

>>78665897
Chile is doing alright since we helped them remove gommie.

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>>78665897
We're in OECD, it's not making us any less 3rd world

>>78665930
Why would we keep them there? If North Korea ceased to exist, the job would done and we could go home, besides China likely would not assent to a unified Korea unless we did that.

>>78665942
Yeah
That guy Pinoche

>>78665952
the same reason why you still have bases in Germany. China knows that the US is seeking containment and giving them a unified Korea would not be in their strategic interests.

even if Korea is unified, the bases wouldn't leave.

>>78665578
Why the fuck would Russia, even the most hardcore supporters of the Russian state, support Juche and Songun? Why? Do most Russians look up and say "Yeah Juche and socialism is how you run things."

>>78666139
>even if Korea is unified, the bases wouldn't leave
According to whom?

>>78665952
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-should-present-china-%E2%80%9Cfinlandized%E2%80%9D-korea-option-20082

>>78666313
>>78666139

>>78665259

Why the fuck would we have anything in common with Russia? We have everything in common with Japan and China. Yet, Japanese are too autistic to admit and Chinese are too poor and dirty for us to feel comfortable with. The only thing we have in common are random Siberian tribes, yet who are genetically closer to Mongols than to Koreans and Chinese
-Korean

>>78666286
Germany in the 1990s, that's whom

>>78666379
What does Germany have to do with Korea? There's some vague similarities related to when they absorbed the DDR, but that's about it.

>>78666411
It really isn't. West Germany essentially bribed Gorbachev into pulling the plug on the DDR. South Korea has no similar leverage to get China to pull the plug on Pyongyang, besides Korea is much much closer to China's borders than German is to Russia's.

So like the article said, we would likely have to create a neutral, Finlandized Korea that does not maintain security agreements with the US.

>>78665259
That's possible. We could leave the northern part of the peninsula as a demilitarized zone since I doubt Seoul wants to share a border with China anyway. As I said before, North Korea is probably a few decades from collapse so should be interesting when the time comes.

>>78666472
Or you could stop propping up South Korea, a country that only exists because it has slihtly more legitimacy than when you had the US military rule the country directly, and just let the popularly elected government secure it's territory without having to be so fucking imperialist all the time. Stop trying to rule over Korea, and let them determine their own futures.

>>78666566
>Putinbot
nice burger proxy you got here

>>78666576
>Stop trying to rule over Korea, and let them determine their own futures

I agree. China should pull the plug on Pyongyang and allow the country to be reunified under Seoul instead of keeping the peninsula divided for their own cynical strategic uses.

>>78666598
Maybe just stop forcibly embargoing every country that has a government that you vaguely dislike?

i'm fucking tired of all this...

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>>78666624
>>78666598
>>78666591
>>78666576
>>78666379
>>78665952

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>>78664806
No, the Crimeans were forcibly dragged to polling stations, and forced to renounce their native Ukraine being held at gunpoint by Putin

>>78664806
That doesn't mean it should happen. Crimea, the land, belongs to the state of Ukraine. You can't have all land belong to only the people who live on it at any one time.Otherwise every village full of retarded loonies could form their own Liberland and secede from the country. Even if the election wasn't rigged, the people who live in Crimea don't have the authority to remove it from Ukraine. Only the population of the whole country can reasonably do that.

>>78668228
Well, Kosovo too? In fact, any piece of land can secede if it has the opportunity, but whether it will be recognized by other countries or not, depends already on the policies and interests of these countries. This is international practice.

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>tfw descended from refugees from the north
>tfw North Korea will be American influenced and protestant again
>tfw huge DMZ wall will be created to block out fucking disgusting chinks and influence from moscow

feelsgoodman

>>78668383
>tfw huge DMZ wall will be created to block out fucking disgusting chinks and influence from moscow

Yeah that's the thing. Even if North Korea collapsed and all US troops departed, Seoul probably would prefer not to share a border with China so some kind of buffer zone will be created anyway, possibly in the thinly populated mountainous area in the north of the peninsula.

>>78668228
So unauthorized seccesion can never happen?
Not everybody in russia voted for ukraine's existence.

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We hate norks

>>78663067
How could they?

Damn I'm looking for that DPRK flag

>>78671978
He's confusing Russia with China.
He's american after all.

>>78663067
North Korea is our ally.

it's almost the only country that immediately recognised crimea as part of russia.
it also welcomed russia's intervention in syria and pretty much on russia's side there

>>78664686
>it was you favourite Ukraine who sold them new rocket engine
WRONG
ukraine literally dindu nuffin

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/north-korea-icbm-study-ukraine-russia/index.html

"We have intelligence to suggest that North Korea is not reliant on imports of engines -- instead, we judge they have the ability to produce the engines themselves," the official told CNN on Tuesday in response to new analysis from the International Institute for Strategic Studies that was first reported by The New York Times on Monday.

>>78673277
Do Crimean 4chan-users get a Russian, Ukrainian or another flag?

By the way, I noticed that the English version of Aeroflot's websites still sees Simferopol as Ukrainian.

>>78673836
>Do Crimean 4chan-users get a Russian, Ukrainian or another flag?
how do i know? you want me to go to crimea just to check it?

>>78674030
Yes. Also fix Aeroflot