Why are germans so anti American ? Especially on here. Americans

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being anti american is redpill

You're right, we should spread our hate evenly to everyone

>>78312930
Because Americans ruined Europe

>>78313237
No just the ones that call for it like poland and Britain

Most German posters weren't born in Germany if you catch my drift.

how can anyone be pro-american? lol

>>78314031
Fuq. But anti Americanism is still a problem

Germans are shit and you all act that way, even the Nazi ones from /pol/ act the same as some Die Gruenen son of a whore in their generic, empty criticisms of American culture.
>americans are so warmonger george bush stupid fatti!!!

>>78314192
Hey don't say that. I like you and this is the reason why I made this thread.

>>78313285
Being the force that intervened against the Soviet Union making the whole continent a communist shithole isn't ruining Europe my """"natural"""" drug using friend.

>>78314486
I come from a Pennsylvania German-speaking family and am predisposed to having a much more favorable and nuanced view on Germany than most Americans. I speak decent German, I lurk and post occasionally in /deutsch/ threads here. I know and have met quite a few Germans and Austrians and they always find that they have the right to criticize America and Americans in front of me. I don't criticize their countries, I don't look to judge them, and I don't know why they think they have the right to insult my country and countrymen and act haughty

it isn't worth my time to put up with such unpleasant behavior. I'm not saying they're bad people for that but I'm not going to put up with such abuse that seems to occur so consistently with these people

>>78312930
I like Germans. They are cool and I really like to listen to their yodeling music.

>>78314889
Mennonite?

>>78314889
I'm sorry that you had to deal with it. Like I said, it's a problem imo.

Because they are obscenely Jewish in nature and culture

Because amerikkka is a fascist dictatorship

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>>78312930
I believe its because
1) we already lived through a total dictatorship and now act as the high moral instance of the world against war and fascism to counteract our guilt
2) we lived through either russian indoctrination or american occupation
3) the generations that didn't live through these grew up with bush as the antagonist and hippie anti-authoritan teachers instead

>>78316050
An offshoot, I'm Reformed now though

>>78316142
I don't have any issue with Germans, I just see it being such a consistent thing that I don't really go out of my way to socialize with them as I used to and I can't stand to read German newspapers anymore. Why is it so acceptable to utterly despise America in contemporary German media and culture? Is it virtue-signaling left over from the Bush-era? Older?

>>78312930
>Why can't you hate Britain instead?
A dog must not disobey his master

>>78316433
wtf how did you get my pic
delet

that's mostly what I suspected, but why do most Germans feel the need or ability to speak down to Americans about it? Do they expect us all to be sniveling self-hating democrats that will take any critique from a foreigner and beg for more?

My experiences are mostly in the US, how do they not know I'm a psychopath mass killer that will shoot them with my triple-automatic death gun for criticizing the stars and stripes?

>>78316467
It is from the bush era and it got heated up recently because of trump with his several "anti german" spergouts.
I mean for example, germans love Kennedy, Clinton (a bit) and even Reagan for his role in the wall story.

>>78316558
If anything we are americas dog. Just like you btw.
But seriously, we should feel at least as much despise for you as you feel for us.

What makes you think Germans are anti-American?
The average German loves the US.

Anti-Americanism is big with the russophile Left and Right, with the anti-imperialist Left and the extreme Right.

Given that the overwhelming majority of German population is politically moderate, these views aren't shared by most Germans.

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>>78312930

>>78316558
Except the dog is UK

>>78316771
Most people like to speak against America where it isn't even necessary.

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>>78316766
>>78316849
Silence European shits

>>78316855
I disagree.
Most liberal minded students might, but the average wouldn't.

Work in some hard labour for a while, most people there would love to go or live in the US because of freedom, cars and low taxes.

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>>78316604
actually yes, most people think so. your perceived choices in answering are
>yeah, you're right, i've already applied for canadian citizenship because i'm not like the other americans ha-ha-ha... (= perceived democrat)
>fuck yeah MURRICA boom boom bang here we come take our FREEDOM and swallow (= perceived republican)

most people don't get that you can't compare politic environments directly. to us, both republicans and democrats would end up in the upper right of >>78316799, democrats are just the lesser evil.
america and europe have had very different histories, and usually the people who emigrate are the once who are fed up with the status quo or are thrown out because they don't fit in (hence all the weird protestant splinter groups in america, which are all an undistinguishable mess to us. here, there's only catholics and protestants (single group), and muslims now i guess).

add to that that america is spacious as fuck, in some places you need to be able to defend and support yourself because the next police station is about nine hours away (making that up right now, but i feel that the lack of perception of the sheer size of america plays a big role in the differences, what do you think?)

>>78316885
Stfu suicidical doggo

https://www.google.de/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4462194/amp/UK-tourist-killed-taking-selfies-MOTORWAY.html

>>78316930
I'm probably being a bit unfair to consider all or most Germans that way, I do live and work in an area that requires a threshold income of around 150k. I am mostly dealing with very well-off outspoken liberal types, everyone on 4chan is an asshole, and my experiences of Germany are limited to short stays in a couple of cities (Frankfurt, Dortmund)

maybe seeing the countryside would be an interesting excursion sometime

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>>78316885
Don't you dare lay a hand on my Yuropoors, Henry.

>>78317221
>add to that that america is spacious as fuck, in some places you need to be able to defend and support yourself because the next police station is about nine hours away (making that up right now, but i feel that the lack of perception of the sheer size of america plays a big role in the differences, what do you think?)

I would need for you to drag that thought out a bit more. But we do have a bit more of a frontier mentality that has persisted in a lot of ways. Up until the civil war era the frontier was a very brutal place, not only Indians but with a lot of white outlaws who would raid farms and settlements. I'm a Northeasterner so I can't really take for a stumpjumper out West or their mentality as it isn't really understandable for me. Further as the Canuck noticed I am from a Mennonite background and have a pretty different worldview than even people from the area I'm from so I'm probably not the best person to try to ascertain the thoughts of my countrymen out west. I am actually a sort of hobby expert on religious sects though

I'm living in New Jersey right now and our politics themselves are quite different than the rest of the country. Technically corrupt, and all Europeans immigrating and working here can't wrap their heads around it and assume the democrat is always *their guy*. Which isn't necessarily the case as few people here care about ideology

>>78317448
Goid thing your retarded military and government dropped the ball in Harrison, he was your only competent general and may have changed the war

>>78318022
Ironically it was the same with Benedict Arnold.

>>78318142
Very true although Arnold, while a good frontline battle commander, was insufferable. Many of his contemporaries disliked him, the Brits all but hated him (not for his service) and after living a few years in my city, the Canadians burned an effigy of him on his dooryard and ran him out of the colony. He would likely not have worked well with the French, which was vital to American success.

>>78317642
Interesting thing, during the 1890 US census it was discovered that there was no frontier left in America. This sent the people and government into a panic as it was believed, and rightly so, that the American culture and identity was tied into their frontier spirit. It catalysed the National Parks and dedignated wilderness movements in an effort to ensure that America would always have wild and untamed land anyone could visit and explore.
Your public land system is the best on earth and was revolutionary for the time.

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>>78317642
>all Europeans immigrating and working here can't wrap their heads around it and assume the democrat is always *their guy*
Funnily, I volunteered at a german-american institute for half a year (2014) and the whole house was democrat. the wifi password was literally Obama2012.
From what I heard, in the 2017 election night there was exactly one Trump supporter present at the election party. He was booed out.

>I would need for you to drag that thought out a bit more
Here in Germany, we're crowded as fuck in a relatively tiny country. There's no such thing as a proper countryside in the middle of nowhere (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern excepted), you're always in reach of a town/city and its facilities. You learn to depend on them. You trade in freedom for (social) security.
Social security was introduced by a pragmatist fearing the uprising of the working class. Because Germany is crowded as fuck, such a socialist uprising is organized quickly. I just can't imagine that in America, this might be why we perceive you to be more right than us - we just moved quite a bit left about 100 - 150 years ago.

if it's a german flag it's a roach

all germans are working or playing work simulators

>>78318456
Our "frontier" mentality is quite interesting in that it really is a catalyst for our concepts of social mobility and the effect that has on our culture. Compare us to the Brits, the English in particular, who usually have no hope for a better station in life than the one they're born into and lived up until their adulthood

I had to read James Truslow Adams' The Epic of America for an English class before though. He does articulate issues well enough but his ideas of solutions are really idiotic. He coined the term "American dream"

Americans have destroyed our empire and crushed our dreams, turned us into a second rate colony with no culture. It sucks because Americans don't deserve it, they stand for nothing except base consumerism. Their victory represents the death of the human soul.

>>78318695
You can play games and post at the same time, just saying

>>78318622
Immigrants and outsider groups in any country generally support left-leaning politics. This is why Jews in Europe and the US are hyper leftists but the moment you drop them into Israel, they turn into chest-beating right winger patriots.

>>78318745
But still they try their best to be our ally. Unlike britistan. You should hate them, they deserve it.

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>>78318835
>implying we don't
fucking island monkeys desu

>>78318868
We actually don't. Brits are widely respected and seen as our friends because people here are naive and bubbled .

>>78314606
You ruined europe by siding with Britain and not Germany and Austria-Hungary in WW1. This eventually lead to nazism taking hold of Germany and WW2.

>>78318622
Ah, I see what you mean. You should look into that "The Epic of America", it's not particularly good, the writer is obviously a bit of an idiot, but it does articulate the issues and mentality of the time.

America does suffer from a lot of social issues, a lot of peoples' families haven't been in the same area for a long time. It's kind of like an individual not having personal habits or routines and thus end up working less effectively, if you get my meaning? We moved around a lot. I developed this theory before on why the US never gave a shit about our older architecture until around the 1920's, because we've lost a lot of very interesting sites from pure neglect. This theory can be applied to social customs and secular ordering of societies via unspoken social customs, like the Scandinavians and Jante Law-type stuff. Few families stuck to farms or towns for more than a couple of generations, they'd go West or immigrate somewhere else in their regions. An unsentimental newcomer would come and then do whatever. Thus few areas ever coalesced into particular social customs or regionalisms as the society was so mobile. These social customs allow for better longterm living and socializing between neighbors, this rarely exists in the US and it is one of the reasons one can find such different behavior among Americans pertaining to customs and socializing

We've never been in a place long enough to coalesce and settle down into planned patterns of life in that way that Europeans have. Even our rural areas

>>78312930
>Why are germans so anti American ? Especially on here

Because most people here are younger?
What do you believe older Germans think of us?

>>78316771
>The average German loves the US.

I find this impossible to believe, especially post-Obama

>>78319056
>We've never been in a place long enough to coalesce and settle down into planned patterns of life in that way that Europeans have. Even our rural areas
Unless sort of the Amish.

>>78319086
>Older people

Wew.
Everything that comes after 45 either despises you with an /int/tier passion but unironically or like you for tearing down berlin wall, 80s nostalgia etc often resulting in them choosing America as their exile or travel country for vacation .

>>78319295
>Everything that comes after 45 either despises you with an /int/tier passion but

It's not a well guarded secret that anti-American feeling is strongest in the former DDR which is the main hotbed of Nazis/communists in Germany nowadays.

>>78319004
I can't say I've ever felt respect or affection from Germans and I wouldn't want to in any event.

>>78319364
Not just that.
My mother still remembers how unfriendly and annoying American and British troops were in the late 70s and 80s. My father just dislikes you for the memes such as "fuck drumpf".
We are westphalians btw.

>>78319585
Then you didn't meet the right people but if you don't want it then it's fine.

>>78319295
The ones that grew up when American pop culture was real popular there in the 90's would be around 45.
From the fall of the wall to reunification was probably our peak in popularity there. Never understood the Germans love for Hasslehof, must say that really cracked me up.

>>78318622
Let us mention the issue of gun culture. Because of Americans' history of settling a wild frontier, having a gun was important and necessary to defend oneself from Indians and/or wild animals. The right to own a firearm thus became ingrained in American culture.

Ownership of firearms was not an accepted practice in Europe because armed citizens could organize a coup against the government, and the small size of European cunts also meant that coups would be very easy to organize.

An important and significant difference with the US is being a nation based around an ideology (that being democratic government and personal liberty) instead of just providing a home for a particular ethnic group.

>>78319724
What base were these unfriendly troops from, Wiesbaden?

>>78319724
If it was the late 70s, no surprise. The US Army post-Vietnam was a demoralized mess with drug abuse, gangs, racial tensions, and most recruits being convicted criminals or other undesirables.

>>78319795
If you go back to colonial times, Americans had more personal freedom than the average European, healthier living conditions with fewer epidemics, and also a better diet especially in terms of protein. Remember that back in the 18th century, a huge amount of Europeans were peasants who were serfs of some king or duke's landed estate. They had a meager diet and could not leave the estate without permission.

Colonists often fled into the wilderness to escape taxes or if they were convicted of a crime. No such luck in, say, France.

>>78312930
I hate the brits too. Basically I hate every country that has become a quasi socialist police state. The usa was off to such a good start with their founding fathers, but they are throwing it all away. Not that we are any better though.

>>78319954
I really never got that deep in the story.
I only know that one time my mom wanted to go to a disco but they wouldn't let her in because reasons (had an actual reason but they really blew it when they asked her for her reichs pass). Shortly after one of them wanted to ask her out . She spit her bubblegum on his uniform and walked away.

>>78320195
Meh, I only hate them because they are so hostile towards us.

European collectivism versus American individualism

>>78320294
Why would he ask her for her pass, a disco on the American base? Also nobody goes to the disco in uniform, seems weird.

I like america :3

>>78319743
>Never understood the Germans love for Hasslehof, must say that really cracked me up.
He is a meme in germany

>>78320335
No. Looked "average", white, retarded short army haircut, average height.
She never got into detail

>>78319285
>Unless sort of the Amish

That's a bit of an oversimplification. I was avoiding mentioning the added issue of industrialization which effected the US a lot more than Europeans as that would just complicate my point. I'm Pennsylvania Dutch, we had coalesced into a something approximating a coherent culture with social customs. Industrialization decimated our culture and language, starting with the canals and growth of the smaller cities. There were more regional cultures in the longer settled and densely populated Northeast. Amish, like Jews, have a very clear In-group conception and managed to last and thrive for so long based upon that, they also strive to keep assets within families

The Amish bring up American sectionarism which was formerly a massive part of American social circles in addition to the extended family unit. Both of these don't exist much anymore. Regionalism generally took a backseat to religious and social affiliation up until about a century ago in social identity. Amish are just one of those groups, like Jews, that do everything right in keeping themselves seperate from outsiders

>>78320460
He might be now, but in the late 80's and early 90's he was very popular there, it was hilarious.

>>78319795
The United States in the 19th-early 20th centuries served almost as a safety valve for Europe in that much of their surplus population as well as potentially troublesome political agitators emigrated here.

>>78320545
As I said, the US Army in the 70s was a mess and didn't get the highest caliber recruits.

>>78319159
Might be hard to believe, but that's the case.

I've lived and worked in many different areas of Germany and the average Joe thinks the USA are great because of freedom, highways and low taxes.

Their view of the states is based entirely on popular culture, there's bars here with the Confederate Flag out front, people wearing cowboy hats and doing line dances.
They don't know what any of that stands for, they just do it because they like (what they believe to be) your lifestyle.

As I said before, liberals and highly educated people are different, but they're not average.

>>78316433
>we already lived through a total dictatorship and now act as the high moral instance of the world against war and fascism to counteract our guilt
How Sweden ended up like this is a mystery though, unlike Germany, they were never a dictatorship, never started a war in the last 200+ years, never had overseas colonies.

>>78320626
>highways
I don't get this one, the Autobahn is far superior in design and construction.
It's funny that you mention line dancing. The first time I saw it I was in Germany. My friend said "Oh my god, are they really lining up to dance, what's next goose stepping? We never saw it before so it seemed odd. Then I come back and see it's from here, I thought it was some type of orderly German country music dancing.

>>78320416
They stood in front of the disco.
I think the pass thing and "you can't go in there now" thing was probably to get her attention or just "bullying". Maybe I slipped on a word there. The "uniforms" were shirts with small flags on it. They also all had these cool army boots on and the haircut.

>>78320659
>never had overseas colonies

not to be autistic but that's not true. They weren't involved in the more brutal later colonialism though, at least as a nation

>>78320392
>American individualism
Is a perversely interesting thing, it explains American love of gun ownership and distrust of public transportation and government welfare.

>>78312930
Alle Angelsachsen sind Untermenschen

>>78313285
We made sure that they weren't socialists and commies
We never told them to be cucks

>>78320794
Yeah, they were just being assholes, she should have slapped him. The only time we asked Germans for ID was when they came on base or were caught in the K Zone.

>>78320792
The highway thing comes from a fascination with Route 66 and Easy Rider.
An absurd amount of bikers in Germany ride Harley Davidsons and see American highways as some great plains that need to be conquered Wild West style.

>>78320885
My mother is a tiny, chubby midget. I think a slap would have looked awkward as fuck so she probably used the spit because it was easier.

>>78320847
Basiert

>>78320659
Sweden had quite the eugenics program, though.

>>78320847
Meine Oma kommt aus Sachsen.
Lösch das

>>78320957
Ah okay, I see the Harley riding through the great plains things, that would be cool.

>>78320957
Russians also jerk off to Old West movies, although in their case it's probably because it mirrors their own conquest of Siberia.

>>78312930
For me personally because most americunts I met are dumb as fuck, acting like an insecure teenagers with little to no education whatsoever.
> Americans respect and like us
For the most part in my personal experience, most americans seem to judge us by what their media or education shits into their brains instead of actually educating themselves about germany well enough.
That aside, being forced into this diverse multicultural bullshit by both american influence and filthy refugee politics here in germany.

That's were by personal negative affinity towards 'muricans stems from.

>>78320847
>Alle Angelsachsen sind Untermenschen

>All angels are subconscious

I don't think google translate is correct

>>78321598
>Alle angelsachsen sind untermenschen

All the anglo-sanxon are subhumans?

>>78321719
yep, but look at what google said it was, I don't think it's close at all

>>78321800
Google translation isn't perfect

>>78321856
is it even close there?
angels?
subconscious?

>>78319364
I hate "Ametica" aka its mass media and social designers, Americans dont define America, the social crafters do.
, they create cultureless rootless mongrels spiritually intellectually and racially with nothing to call your own.

>>78321476
<tfw our countrymen could never meet up on the Bering Strait

>>78322115
I do not accept the relentless social crafting of unrelentless media bombarding with the designs of a few hundred where everyone else is molded by it, gives you social experience that has nothing to do with your life ans culture that has nothing to do with the people you interact with.

>>78316433
>average German man goes to work

>>78312930
Because of b8 threads like this
>>78323600

The current generation of young Germans has no direct memory of the wall or anything before that including the cold war.

They grew up with pictures from the Iraq war, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the NSA scandal and now Trump. For them the US has always been a rogue state that is fond of wars of aggression and human rights violations.

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>Why can't you hate Britain instead?

we din do nuffin

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>>78312930
>instead

>>78318022
It's okay, we have the hilarity of the Great Lakes with Oliver Hazard Perry. He gave up the ship.

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>>78312930
>Americans respect and like us and see themselves as our friends even though we used to be enemies.

>>78318754
Your job isn't a simulation, German friend.

This new only forum simulator is shit, there are not even hate report buttons.

I like germans as long as they don't bully me for being american. But a lot do on /int/.

>>78328253
lol

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I'm anti-German, so it works out good. Yankees are mostly kraut-blood or Scandicucks.

>>78327352
>They grew up with pictures from the Iraq war, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the NSA scandal and now Trump
Only leftards care about this shit, dude.

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>>78328253