What went so wrong with Japanese electronics and technologies?

>>78013336
>one of the most successful website company in Japan has such a shitty design
which one?
and yeah, niconico is shitter compare to jewtube

>>78013336
Chinese slave factories employed bu American Jews.

>>78013456
Rakuten

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>>78013456
Just fuck those fancy aids

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because anime

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>>78013456
Youtube will eventually take over niconico.
In niconico if you get 1 million views you are considered as a successful content creator but in youtube it's fucking easy to get million views (just upload clickbait video with your autism)

Also you can make worldwide fans. (Everytime I upload ww2 videos I have to manage /pol/ vs SJW comments)

Youtube is more profitable, fast, and easy-to-use than niconico. Niconico can't even compete.

>>78013842
What's Niconico?

>>78013336

failed to adapt to the new environment, such is life. they didn't expand their mobile phones when they were the most advanced but stayed inside their own country. only to be absolutely destroyed by apple when the iPhone came out. they further didn't adapt to the touch screen changes when Samsung, google, and other Chinese companies all jumped into the market and by then it was too late.

they just did not transition into the digital age when they had the technology advantage, they were so enamored with there own technology they failed to adapt.

>>78016229
This seems like a good summary. I can't think of any Japanese smartphone brands that matter. Sony Ericssons were the baddest phones in the industry back in the day, do they even make smartphones now?

The Japanese were innovators in tech and leaders in soft power with kickass anime. All new anime is cancer and their tech is 10+ years behind even countries like Korea now.

>>78013336
those appliances cant functionally evolve anymore for the most part. that means it comes to a competition of cost cuts. chinks can take advantage of it the easiest way ofc.

rakuten has nothing to do with this. most major e-commerce companies are from america and theyve dominated the market. you didnt give amazon the pass for some reason, but other asian countries are almost the same as japan.

>>78017461
problem is you guys failed to export the manufacturing to cut costs. Korea did it and they still make appliances on a global scale, same with televisions. japan got lazy and complacent.


The only potential competitor for e-commerce so far is alibaba which is doing well, only time can see if it is successful on a global scale.

its because japanese are good at reverse engineering but extremely bad at actual engineering.

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why dont more white girls use this haircut, it looks so good

>>78019086
i enjoy pixie cut more. especially if the girl is tall with nice long legs.

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>>78019227
thats trash,blonde pageboy with bangs = i fall in love

>>78019004
>they still make appliances on a global scale, same with televisions.
some parts are right i wont deny it.
but the most important fact is, still the korean ones have been cheaper than those made/produced in japan. now theyve been caught up by chinks the same way japan had by sk. appliances and IT devices have reached the boring one-dimensional world of which is cheaper shit, you dont need to be innovative there. and only the ones who can make cheaper stuff can be a winner unless you can fool people with the brand name like apple does.

>alibaba

well, i dont know the reputation in the west but the website wont be popular in japan at least. its not because its from china but more of the problem of the scheme. japanese dont self import shit. ive done a lot though but still wont use it even though ive often imported shit from china on ebay.

>>78019481
Innovation is not just technology. Supply management, logistics, distribution, marketing are all part of the package. The Koreans adapted to it and made money. The Japanese did not. Japan looked too inward for growth when it needed to look outwards for it.

Alibaba is good in the west because it connects us with direct manufacturers we don't have access to. Small and medium businesses that can't afford a factory can still do business if they don't have huge capital to invest.

>>78013842
LABEL YOUR AXIS

>>78013594
Looks better than average for Japanese web design

>>78013336
Japanese mindset is pretty isolated from rest of the world. They don't have good marketing as well, while jews dominates media. desu, if it's not the jews, america wouldn't be half as great as it is now.

>>78020044
>Innovation is not just technology. Supply management, logistics, distribution, marketing are all part of the package.
sure for e-shit like amazon or chinks in africa but thats all as far as i can notice

as for physical stuff not really. even chinks can be that without thinking anything but just because of its costs, and such a thing doesnt go for "innovation" in my book

i think you are literally underestimating japan and overestimating sk and china as usual not pointing out any possible problem that could come from the current sks situation. then id like to say keep an eye on what will happen to the industry in sk in the next several years.

>>78020561
Stockholm syndrome

>>78013336
Japs still make some really good high tech bits and pieces if you look outside the basic consumer market and into the more commercial, back end industrial gear.
Mostly the got smoked by the Koreans and Chinks though for cheaper prices/sort of the same shit

>>78020600
think about how competitive the us is compared to other countries. How many of those advantages are due to the jews?

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/02/26/business/corporate-business/otsuka-kagu-founder-tries-oust-daughter-management/

I think it's because Japan is full of old businessmen who can't adapt.

>>78020589
japs were just like chinks back in the days by copying anything from the west. This will just happen again and again.

>>78013336
Multiple reasons:

1. Japan's technology stagnated because there were little incentives to innovate, because

2. Japanese home-market is hermetically protected by their own state (Japanese protectionism is several times worse than even socialist countries - but since they are friends of the US, noone dares to say it aloud), hence foreign competition is shooed away. Also, they literally have propetriary standards for everything.

3. Japanese competitiveness in exports has been lastingly destroyed by the Plaza Accord of 1985, in which the US, in an extremely classy move, forced Japan and Germany, two export superpowers of the day, to strongly appreciate their currency to make their exports more expensive, while the USD was lowered "to adjust to the economic realities". This resulted in Japanese exports taking a big hit that they never recovered from.

>>78013336
stolen by Korean chaebol with super low wages and America trained engineers

>>78020918
But that's only because Japan crashed and those veteran engineers had the choice between unemployment or going to Korea.

Basically, it was the US fault. Plaza Accord ruined everything.

Name 3 japanese companies that didnt exist in 2010
The problem is the lack of innovation and general stale state.

Japan peaked in the 80s.

This can be seen from a lot of their government institutions that are still using technology and standards from that time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/10543126

http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Weltspiegel/Japan-Low-Techland/Das-Erste/Video?bcastId=329478&documentId=41627854

>>78020589
What I'm saying is consumer technology can only take you so far until people catch up. At that point price and marketing matter more. Apple for all its innovation in the original iPhone has lost share to Samsung. At this point whoever has the better marketing and supply management chain can introduce the profitable product to continue growing. Not innovating and sourcing supplies, tuning distribution and investing in marketing while solely relying on technical standpoints does not make a profitable product. No profits no more money for research and development. Tv's, appliances, cars, phones are all consumer products that Japan has lost edge on. Not because technologically they are worse, it's because they failed to squeeze out costs. to which their competitors have.

Efficient supply management, distribution, logistics are innovations. Digital innovations that cut the cost of products. Not recognizing this is a huge flaw in my opinion. Software designed to optimize distribution, settle accounts, source materials, and manage inventory is very important to the final product.

Sure I can't predict the future on what South Korea and china will do or have become. But it is what it is now. Right now Japan is on the back foot with consumer electronics, something it was very good with up until a few decades ago.

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Do not respond to this shithead chon

>>78020905
The plaza accord, Christ I can't believe you guys ate that shit up. What the fuck were you thinking?

>>78021376
We were and still are butt-slaves to the USA.

This is how the USA treats its "allies". And in Syria, Lybia, Iraq etc. we see how they treat their enemies.

Fuck the USA.

>>78021616
Surely this is a practical joke

>>78021616
>>be the guy who has to swap out a disk every minute while installing
>> commit sudoku

>>78021665
I know you pretend to not understand German (because this reminds you of your occupation) but please watch the 2nd link:
>>78021022


It is not a joke.

oh my negative views of japan have literally flooded this thread. i mean, as i said, i wont deny it and have actually stated some parts of what you are saying are right. but i cant help but wonder why always it becomes so one sided even though this board is "international" and there are many flags here. is this really fun. i dont know.

i know theres the problem that another jap posters cant join these discussions but as a sole jap poster i cant handle this shit before getting butthurt.

>>78021096
digital innovations are all about software. samsung was better and faster at taking the os than japanese companies. i didnt wittingly mention it because it seemed out of context. and another question is, samsung is just one company in sk. does that really make korea as a whole innovative compared to japan as a whole? im not competitive here but just logically i dont understand your point. arent you missing something?

>>78021704
>I know you pretend to not understand German (because this reminds you of your occupation) but please watch the 2nd link:
I have no idea what you're talking about, and I understand German just fine. You must take me for someone else.
I know the Japanese cater to the older population and have many backwards websites and use fax machines and such, but an old person would simply not install windows 8.
In no single way is it logical to order windows 8 on floppy disks.

>>78021022
>>78021853
Also terrible acting from Mariko

>>78021703
Well, this is the key secret of why the Japanese economy still didnt crash and the unemployment rate is relatively low compared to the actual state of the economy.

They literally have a buttload of shitty useless jobs due to either technological stagnation or actual decision: Case in point - people who are employed to just bow at every customer coming inside a department store, or porters who get paid for pressing buttons inside lifts of hotels etc.

And I can imagine that there are actually computer specialists employed to switch out the disks.

>>78020905
>the Plaza Accord of 1985, in which the US, in an extremely classy move, forced Japan and Germany, two export superpowers of the day, to strongly appreciate their currency to make their exports more expensive, while the USD was lowered "to adjust to the economic realities".
How come first world nations don't say no to us? It's not like we can invade you.

>>78022011
Hidden unemployment hardly does the economy any good. It keeps your people employed and mentally happy, but it raises the price of goods and reduces your productivity.

It is not the key secret why the Japanese economy didn't crash, the economy didn't crash despite these jobs.
Why the economy doesn't actually crash is due to Japan's export to China and its economic policies actually making sense. They are basically practicing a form of national socialism, using their state-protected companies to support the population.

>>78017142
Sony Xperias are great android phones. But they aren't sold in USA (they are sold in Canada though, in limited numbers).

>>78021802
Everyone gets roasted on /int/, don't act like your special.

>>78021802

>>does that really make korea as a whole innovative compared to japan as a whole?

I'm using specifically Samsung because it's easier to type. I can include LG, Kia, Hyundai and other Korean companies that have managed to squeeze profits out of sectors that Japan traditionally had an edge on.

The fact remains, Japan had better infrastructure, more time, and the technology to make consumer products. How could South Korea manage to get into the market and squeeze out a profit while Japanese corporations can't? The answer is digital innovations. Cutting costs and looking for growth globally. The fact that you don't see this as 'real' innovation is part of the problem. The ability to adapt to changing times is important.

>>78022291
im always solo on these threads, not like you swarming everywhere

>>78022335
Korean products contain lots of Japanese components.
The Japanese are innovative alright, but as you said, price and marketing matter more.
This is why Japanese can not keep up with Koreans in making the actual phones and all the related services, as the average wage and standard of living is too high.
And this is also why the Korean electronic industry is doomed to be overshadowed by the Chinese in turn.

>>78022095
You threatened them with protectionism

>>78022335
>LG, Kia, Hyundai
innovative compared to those japanese car companies? when it comes to the story of car and motorcycle diggers trains and all that shit, it becomes a complete different story, whereas you are trying so hard to express japan as "a past thing"

you sound like a netouyo. i dunno you are either a gookpong or a 50 cent shill but you dont have any argument anymore . its obvious that all you wanna do is justify and rationalize your shitty heritage.

>>78022736
This is a problem with your perspective. You only think innovation is hard technological advances. It's not, and the Koreans have proved this by eating into sectors traditionally held by the Japanese. Japanese companies are shifting focus to heavy industries like hitachi, which in my opinion is good because they can take technology from those industries and hopefully apply them to other sectors. But that isn't what we are talking about, we're talking about consumer products.

The fact that you've taken my opinion as some kind of insult when none was implied means this conversation is over. Im telling you my opinion on why Japan has lost market share to their rivals and you don't want to hear it and accuse me of being bias.

>>78022650
Then call the US out on it. It's not like we would last long with such policies.

>>78022398
Campaign to get your countrymen to post here, so that they can tell us what Japan is really like. You have a civic duty.

>>78023015
bullshit. you are just derailing from what im mentioning again and being a stupid strawman. and im not interested in your stupid semantics.

i can have a somewhat constructive discussion with some pepsis or mainlanders. i havent frequented /int/ anymore because you diaspora fucks are so fucking awful that you only dedicate yourself to justifying your heritage and try to twist the facts whenever i talk with them. on int these vocal minorities like you go too far.

your way of cherrypicking/nitpicking is too obvious for me. let me get this straight you view based on such bigoted gibberish conclusions is totally useless in east asia.

>>78023644
Straw man? What straw man? I've stayed on topic the whole time. The topic is why the Japanese who had hugely successful electronics companies for decades begin to lose profitability?

And I've laid out my case by comparing it to the Koreans who have entered the markets traditionally held by the Japanese and turned a profit. The problem is the Koreans found a way to reduce their expenses while producing a comparable product and at the same time the Japanese haven't been able to produce a product that is profitable.

The reason is that the Koreans adopted digital technologies, streamlined their supply management and marketed their products globally. To which it has been successful that they have become profitable.

I mean, what part of that is wrong? Aren't South Korean electronics companies making money while Japanese ones that used to be profitable aren't? I'm not trying to be insulting but you seem to be offended when I'm just stating the obvious. I mean, Japan has many patents and technologies that they license worldwide, they are innovative, but are they profitable?

If you are offended by my opinion I'm sorry. You seriously won't like what, in my opinion, Japan should do to turn their companies around.

>>78024235
in short, you are just saying korean car companies selling cheaper cars than japanese ones also coping the ones abroad is innovative because the form of the distribution, which is "selling cheaper affordable mediocre cars abroad", is new!


what the fuck is this garbage. you are just summarizing some abstract marketing "concept" like a scam artist consultant fooling a small old company and exaggerating very normal and common things/marketing methods that happen in any new/3rd world/developing country. you just cant assert a simple fact, like japan and korea overlap in industry and as a natural consequence cheaper one wins. because you want to justify something different from the uninspired boring reality there.

>>78022161
>They are basically practicing a form of national socialism, using their state-protected companies to support the population.

Yeah. But only if you are a salaryman, ie. belonging to the elites.

An increasing number of Japanese now are employed at a lot more unstable and low-paying jobs with no prospect of ever raising a family, which is the reason of the low birth rates.

>>78013336
Japan is like a developed nation stuck in the early 90's. Politics, technology, economics, etc. All early 90's.

>>78020905
Correct but don't expect people to accept acknowledged fact in the economic research community.

>>78024966
And this mentality is why the Koreans are profitable when the Japanese ones aren't. Failure to acknowledge that 'innovation' is not only scientific and technological. Innovation is finding new ways to do things, more efficient ways.

How do you suppose the Korean products are cheaper? they thought of and applied new ideas to cut costs while offering a comparable product. Japan could've easily adopted the export model, which they have, yet they still aren't profitable, why?

>>78022095
Reagan was very vocal about using protectionist policies to protect our industries.
Reminder that his tariff on Japan's motorcycles saved Harley Davidson.

>>78023218
Lmao our average tariff 1800-1970 was 60%. Add in transport costs (we are far from everywhere else) and we quite literally were the most protectionist major nation on Earth for a century.

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>and china will kick everyone's ass

>>78013336
The dog came back to bite them in the ass. That's why

>>78026684
The dog is now exactly like the hateful enemy

>>78013336
>What went so wrong with Japanese electronics and technologies?
Before China happened Japan was the source of "the cheapest garbage you could buy".

Literally nothing changed.

>>78025637
i just figured out that you just dont know about whats going on in their domestic economy. the difference between you and me is that. i know it. you seem to believe koreans have been doing well without having any problem of their domestic economy and industry and its been stable. you only see the achievements in global market, dont try to look into their domestic economy and market. in reality, koreans themselves and their domestic economy have covered the cost cut in global market, not their marketing method is so profitable or efficient. you dont know shit about this. you can see some studies on GDP but that doesnt explain whats actually happened there.

>>78021464
Germany isn't an ally. Its an occupied territory.

>>78027477
Okay, just saying. Japan did the same shit Korea did by exporting their manufacturing to cut costs. The only difference is the Koreans managed to do it in such a way that they are profitable while Japanese companies aren't.

You can try and sugar coat it however you like. But the fact remains, both countries had the same tools at their disposal, Korean electronic companies are profitable, Japanese ones aren't.

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

Wow japanese boi wake up very early
I respect japanese diligence you guys will be great again soon

>>78013336
Chinks and gooks copy and produce the same thing Japs do, yeap lesser quality but for half the price and in larger scale, there's just no way to compete with that.

Now most of Japan's technological investment goes to research.

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78013336
do you love japan

>>78027859
i love koreans

>>78027859
i love korean

>>78027859
i love korean

>>78027938
i love japan

>>78027859
i'm japanese

>>78027859
i love korean

>>78027984
i'm korean

>>78027859
i love korean

>>78028041
i love japan

>>78021022
>video cassette

Man i need to move to Japan.

i love japan

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>>78027547
lol

>>78028178
i love japan

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>>78028212
k

>>78013842
Just hope it happens soon.

>>78027684
you can say anything ironic and sarcastic to me until you know shit about the background of their domestic economy. and korean economic growth rate is now about 2.5 or so. this has gone on since a few years ago. you should consider this cause its relatively a recent thing.

what i wanted to describe is simply, like someone itt said, chinks are gonna their industry up after all and koreans aint as special snowflake as you think. most posters itt are assuming koreans are the next players instead of old japs. but in reality, they arent like that. the 7% growth time is already over and what theyd done isnt like mind blowing miracle stuff either

>>78028867
Yes there is a real possibility that the Koreans will lose out to china the same way Japan has lost out to Korea if they do not remain vigilant.

There's nothing special about the koreans, they just adapted and ate into a sector that the Japanese had dominance in. The Japanese grew complacent and didn't think they would lose their dominance till it was too late. If the Koreans didn't do it now, someone else would have, the market was ripe for change.

>>78022011
Comming from Germany whose people spend half of the working drinkin kaffee and writting long ass retarded emails.

You are walkin the same path they did.

>>78022011
>people who are employed to just bow at every customer coming inside a department store, or porters who get paid for pressing buttons inside lifts of hotels etc.

Brazil is filled with jobs like this. Lol.

I worked at a place where one guy was employed to watch TV all day, his job was to make sure the signal was ok.