>yfw you will never live like your forefathers >ywn bring

>>77963994
>>ywn be one with nature
kys you retarded hippy faggot

>>77963994
>Muh

>>77964116
> argentina
> mocking america

>>77963994
>>ywn bring down the Roman Empire
>posts c*ltshits
?

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>>77963994
>flag
>implying you have anything to do with the germanic people in the 5th century
keep larping you fat burger

>>77965797
"Celt" doesn't really mean anything

This thread reeks of CHI

>>77963994
>>ywn bring down the Roman Empire
>>ywn be one with nature
op is a faggot

>>77963994
WE

>>77963994
>Gauls
>bringing anything down other than their own trousers to be fucked by Roman cock

>>77963994
but you're American OP. you have more of negroid/injun blood in you than gauls/celts ever did.

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So proud of my ancestors

>>77968099
Proud of dishonourably stabbing someone in the back who never did you harm?

>>77968345
>take him as a hostage
>occupy his land
>slaughter his people
>"waah! why isn't he loyal to us?"

>>77968345
Even worse, someone that had adopted you and made you one of his most important persons despite you being an unwashed barbarian

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>>77967620
Romans left no trace genetically

Gauls on the other hand...

>>77965797
t. germanigger

>>77968474
>>77968345
Designed to further erode and destroy Germanics. It was deserved a thousand times over.

>>77968662
>the only successful and relevant part of Italy is actually full of gauls (aka french people)

Really makes me think

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>>77968662
>Romans left no trace genetically
>muh haplogroups
Remember what language you speak every day

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>>77968777
genetics is more important than language, my gaulish friend

>>77968807
Die Br*ton

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>>77968807
>Romans left no trace genetically

>>77968807
they're not.
genetically "french" german would bash your fucking head in because you're a frenchie.

and besides, Romans were R1b.

>>77968832
>t. actually a briton LARPing as an anglo-saxon

>>77968852
>genetically "french" german

I'm sorry, who?

>>77968852
>Romans were R1b
After we galantely impregnated their women*

>genetically "french" german would bash your fucking head in because you're a frenchie.
What did you mean by this ?

>>77968887
your mother you fucking cum-guzzling idiot.

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Tfw when descendent of Germanic barbarians and Finnic shamans.

>>77968887
Huguenots

>>77968930
that genetics are fucking irrelevant. because if a frenchfaggot thinks himself a german, he will be german no matter how hard you autismo over it.

language and culture is what matters.

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>>77968933
wait, you think we're germanic?

>>77968960
Huguenots are not germans.

>>77968968
>that genetics are fucking irrelevant

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>>77969010
They are now

>>77969010

Btw, your idea about R1b and "Pannonian Celts" from Anatolia is dead. The recent study on Mycenaeans show that the people moving into Europe from Anatolia had J2, not R1b.

Back to the drawing board.

>>77968968
>because if a frenchfaggot thinks himself a german

No French think of himself as a German, and genetics only matters


>language and culture is what matters.


Do you think an African can be a German if his culture is German ?

Culture and language can change but not your DNA

>>77969066
I'm another autistic anon

>>77969050
Well, you can keep him

>>77968930
>After we galantely impregnated their women*
Except R1b presence in Italy predates any kind of Celtic culture. Or do you think that it popped up in France one day?

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>>77969066
He is not the Pannonian poster, i am

And DNA proved my claim(pic related)

>muh genes
>we wuz had sex
And have you had sex or a gf, you loser?

>>77969103
so we wuz r1b brothers?

based cunts

>>77969135

Sure if that makes you happy but you can forget about being Trojan.

>>77969072
>Do you think an African can be a German if his culture is German ?
strawman. i didn't mention blacks or arabs anywhere. genetics don't matter in europe.

>>77969072
Do you unironically think your blood, or the one of your countrymen you consider French is 400% bure Gaulish without a single drop of latin or germanic blood ?

Also the only reason why you know that Hugenots are Hugenots is because they kept their French names, otherwise you would have no idea, genetics isn't as important as you think (when we are talking about European people ofc)

>'so yea, who cares about genetics, lol, your ancestors were celts, so what, your culture is latin, now'
>'what, if africans and arabs can be french, english or german? of course! all they have to do is feeling french, english or german and adopt their culture!'

Annnnnnnnd, that's how we destroy Europe, kids!

>>77969218
>Do you unironically think your blood, or the one of your countrymen you consider French is 400% bure Gaulish without a single drop of latin or germanic blood ?

If only, god.

>>77969235
So long Yurop, it was nice knowing u

>>77969187
You don't come often do you ?

It has been a while(a few months) since i stoped to LARPing as a Trojan, i now claim Alan ancestry from myself and Gallo-Frankish ancestry for the other Northern French

>>77969400
La Poitou, c'est le Nord ou le Centre?

>>77969400
>since i stoped to LARPing as a Trojan
since i stopped LARPing as a Trojan

>i now claim Alan ancestry from myself
i now claim Alan ancestry for myself

fixed

>>77969400

That's cool. I claim Turcilingi and Heruli ancestry for myself. It just makes sense.
Odoacer King of Rome may have been my ancestor but I'm not 100% sure about that.

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>>77969435
Centre nord

Mais bon, c'est en zone de langue d'Oïl donc c'est le nord imo


Tu es le Taifal/Deux-Sèvres anon ?

>>77969629
>Tu es le Taifal/Deux-Sèvres anon ?

En effet :^)

J'aurais bien aimé LARPer en tant que Tourangeau, mais on vient pas vraiment d'ici.

I love this French guy

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>>77969537
>using irony

Dozen of thousands of Alans settled in my region and expelled the Romans there, and there more than a hundred of placenames left by them which is enormous since my region is rather tiny.


My city was their/our capital btw

>>77969719
I would love to claim 'I am a greek'

>>77969719
He's my favourite poster

>>77969771

Ahem

>Procopius, who did not like the Herules, said that some of them had moved north to "Thule" after the Lombard defeats, and that later, after a succession dispute involving Justinian, some joined the Gepids and some remained loyal to Constantinople. In 549, when the Gepids fought the Romans, Herules fought on both sides.[15] In any case after one generation in the Belgrade area, the Herulian federate polity in the Balkans disappears from the surviving historical records, apparently replaced by the incoming Avars.

i am anal

daily reminder west europeans are cucks and steppe ancestry comes mainly from CWC

the East Germanic findings in Poland seem to be I1, might as well be Finns

>>77970000
nah, the clades were typical for Goths, which isn't suprising really. also, i'm pretty sure there is "vistulan l1" that is pre-germanic.

>>77970098
no, the Finns are Heruli, denialist

but yes, I want to see what lusatian-era poland was like

>>77969856
My bad

It's just that the distance from Southern Europe to Finnland seems fairly large

>>77970098

There was a gap in the sampling between early Roman age and Slavs wasn't there?
That I1+G2 population didn't survive anyway.

>>77970323
Polish death camps

>>77970224
>>77970323
generally yes. there is a gap, which would fit into eastern poland/west belarus/west ukraine as a homeland of proto-slavic culture.

but there is also a possibility that pre-germanic lusatian culture might've been r1a with typical slavic clades, but they were simply pushed east when the goths came.

>>77970504

Wouldn't Slavic have more Celtic loans if the homeland was in Lusatia?

>>77970771
possibly, that's why i said "might". then again if they were only refugees fleeing from goths, they would have to assimilate into Milograd, which is considered one of the proto-slavic cultures.

all that matters is that germanic scoundrels got what they deserved when the Slavs came with Huns in the first wave and then the second during later expansions in early medieval.

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who /roman nose/ here?

>>77971050

>germanic scoundrels got what they deserved

On YFull, the Wielbark related I1 subclades L1237 and Z59 are quite common in England but spread across the continent. Seems Gothic indeed.

It seems to me that they hopped on a boat to England before Slavic expansion.

But these scroundels didn't come from Scandinavia, I think they were native to western Poland.

The roman empire brought itself down.

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>>77971883
>But these scroundels didn't come from Scandinavia, I think they were native to western Poland.
yes, there is a theory floating that goths originated in north-western poland.

>Crimean Goths were I1-M253 as well (just like Wielbark):

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48332&page=2&p=1304256&viewfull=1#post1304256

>(...) Our project tested two people who are descendants of the Crimean Goths, this kit ? 228539 Afenko and kit ? 228541 Aslanov. Their haplogroup (I1-M253) was determined in the course of scientific research laboratory Balanovsky. (...)

>"(...) It corresponds to the Z63+ subclade. I1a3-Z63+ subclade is virtually absent from Nordic countries. It is most common in Central Germany, the Benelux, England, Lowland Scotland, as well as Poland. It has also been found in Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Y2245.2+ makes up a big part of the Z63 in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the Balkans, Italy and Iberia. It could have been spread by the Goths. BY351+ is a subclade found in Portugal, Spain, Italy (including Sardinia). It was probably spread by the Visigoths and Ostrogoths. (...)"

>>77972210

>being this autistic

>>77972334
thank you for your valuable input. it really changed my world view and influenced me to change my life for better.

>>77972401

>being this autistic

>>77972424
macaco furioso

>>77972424
still a better hobby than murdering your fellow monkeys and stealing their bananas.

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>>77972461
>>77972481

>le monkey hur dur

you guys need to refresh your repertoire

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did varg kill himself after the latest news about ancient greeks?

>>77972711
He is probably in full denial and claiming that it's all a conspiracy by brown subhumans against the nordic kangz

>>77972692
how can non-Brazilian men compete? :^)

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>>77972743

we really resemble greeks a bit

>>77972711
I'm not averse to the idea of some shaft grave aristocrats having potentially higher steppe input. it might even help point to the date of intrusion, if it were some sudden migration as envisioned by some or one in the late 3rd mil. (so dilution over time) and local development after that leading to the late helladic

that's one point archaeologists were in disagreement about after all, late 3rd mil. migration vs sudden 17th century appearance

>>77972844
your hairless indio freaks m8 give me your real address and ill cum over and bust ur bollox

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>>77972481
>poland

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>>77972883

the average brazilian has <1% ameridian ancestry

>>77973062
doubt that a bit, from what I've seen I'd say 10% as a general average

>>77973248

see table 1 on page 6

http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjmbr/v42n10/7913.pdf

>>77973385
so 10% as an average like I wrote?

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>>77973465

>tfw was looking at the control population

hummmmmmmm 10% is still irrelevant for phenotypic expressure :~~)

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>>77973726

you would only find people like pic related in the deep north

>>77973726
i was jk anyway. compared to the european sample (which already has some due to shared Northern Eurasian ancestry) the 'white' average is 9% amerindian.

it also seems very constant at that ~10% between most brazilian groups from what I've seen

>>77968943
TRVE PAGAN KVLT

>>77971242
>t. Jew nose
I-i swears it is roman guys!
Oy vey fucking anti semitic goyims.

>>77969235
Stop being disingenuous you fucking retard, he never implied that. The genetic difference between, say, French and German populations (especially west German and north-east French) is so minimal compared to the genetic difference between French/Germans and Africans (and to a much lesser degree, Arabs) that is negligible.

He's right to say that when it comes to differentiating between genetically close peoples like French and Germans and Germans and Poles, culture, language and ethnic identity is what matter the most.

>>77963994
>one with nature

you wouldn't survive a single day in imperial Rome faggot

kids these days

>>77969103
>
>>77969158

>what are subclades?

U106 - based Franks
M269 - Gauls
U152 - Romans
SRY2629 - Spics

à peu près of course

learn the difference

>>77969771
There are a lot of variations on Sarmatian too, like Sermaize.

They were basically Alans.

>>77970000
Visigoths were East-Germanic, their remnants in Cantabria, Spain is 8.5% R1a.

>>77975326
>>77975416
>>77975514
t. maciamo

>>77975514

Fascinating, but the Wielbark I1 exhibits a spread across Europe which looks distinctly Gothic/East Germanic.
Different tribes of East Germanics might have had different Y-DNA though.

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>>77972424
>

>>77972210
Norse Vikings were for the most part Danes and Norwegians. Wouldn't that explain why the Vikings were distinct from the Goths, Swedes living several centuries before them?

>>77975612
Yeah, Gotland is like 50% Wielbark I1. But the Cantabria R1a anomaly is unique in Spain. Must be something there.

>>77975670
tell us the subclade though

>>77975612
I predates even proto-IE.

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>>77975691
can't seem to find the original paper

found something different but funny here though:
http://www.jfpalmen.nl/files/Wiik_Haplogroup_R1a.pdf

>The Russian subgroups, likewise, form two main groups and with one intermediate one. Sarmathians and Veneds are closer to the Scandinavians and are therefore perhaps situated further north, while Ants are furthest from the Scandinavians. The intermediate group consists of the Sclavs.

wtf how do they know?

pic related

>>77976153
last page btw

>>77972711
wut news?

>>77975956

No it doesn't.
You can relax though Kang, the main Finnish I1 hasn't been found in Wielbark yet. It probably won't be either but you never know.

>>77976223
Sure, Mr. Pseudo.
>Present 31-35,000 years BP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170
>PIE is estimated to have been spoken as a single language from 4,500 B.C.E. to 2,500 B.C.E
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language

At least your ancestors wasn't MONGOL'D or TURK'D like ours.
>b-but muh slavs !
Fuck off, they all dead. Especially yours, polfags

>>77976312

We're talking about specific subclades(Z59, Z63 etc) not I1 in general and besides there's no I1 subclades older than Corded Ware culture.

>>77966253
Neither does "german" or "slav", yet here we are pretending they're all homogenous ethnic groups

>>77975691
I only could find R-M17 (R1a1a*), so either East-European or Central-Asian. The latter isn't unlikely either as Alans were in Spain for a while during Great Migrations.

>>77976223
It does, I is the sister haplogroup of J and got subjugated by everybody who ever came across them, be it gracile farmers or Aryans.

>>77976393
Talk all you will but if I is supposed to be Northern European origin then the times don't match for it to be German since proto-IEs weren't here until later.

I is probably connected to a different earlier European group that assimilated mostly with IEs and a small group with Finnics in Finland. Or some timing is off for the language or haplogroups.

>>77976498

that's broad but maybe saqaliba? :^)

>>77976527

It's almost certainly from somewhere in the Northern half of Europe yes.

It's pre-Germanic but still there are no subclades found so far which are older than 5000 BC so it is not older than Corded Ware.

>>77976498
Probably East Slavic (R1a-M558) like the Gothic R1a in Spain.

>>77963994
>gauls
>Last west roman hold was the Kingdom of Soissons
>A Roman Dux in Gaul that was defeated by germ*nic hordes

I even remember reading that it was a Gaulish raid in the italian peninsula which sacked the ancient Rome what caused the romans to militarize their society.

>>77976673

older than 3000 BC

>>77976673
Obviously they were able to flourish via an Aryan elite, which saved them from the verge of extinction.

>>77976588
Possibly but I'd expect those more inside the emirate or khalifate. I think Cantabria was never part of it, if I'm not mistaken.

>>77968662
>The study found that 17% of the Y-chromosomes of Provence may be attributed to Greek colonisation. The study also concluded that "estimates of colonial Greek vs indigenous Celto-Ligurian demography predict a maximum of a 10% Greek contribution, suggesting a Greek male elite-dominant input into the Iron Age Provence population."[53]
I bet Romans left their heritage in Occitania, too
You are proud Greco-Romans down South, stop larping as barbarians

>>77976687
Yeah, Goths lived in Ukraine for 3-4 centuries or so. I'd put my money on that one.

But there is Alan R1a-Z93 in Sardinia so everything is still possible.

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really makes one question his beliefs

>>77976673
I think there has been I in 10k old findings on the edge of the glacier.

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>>77977071
and at the same time...
http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

>>77977211

I2 was extremely common in Europe prior to Neolithic and even during it, possibly thousands of times more common than I1.

>>77977259

Mesolithic Scandinavians had a mixture of WHG and EHG DNA.
Indo-European heritage is bound to correlate with similarity to the EHG part although there's also a local WHG substrate in the Baltic.

>>77977071
But as you often like to repeat, Goths and Vandals were just Germanicised Proto-Slavs, so doesn't this just make Slavs the peasants of Slavs? Not really very groundbreaking 2bh :^)

>>77977436
what? you must've confused me with germanophile polack.
>>77977376
so far only Prince Janusz III of Masovia seems to be R1b, i don't think they've found subclade yet.
it would make sense if he had some "czech" clade of r1b, since it's said that Mieszko had some brothers in Czechia.

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feels good to be of Mongolian descent, rekt all faggots in sight

>>77977529
It's hard to tell the difference sometimes 2bh

>>77977572
iktf

>>77977071
interesting

Chorwaci refers to the (White) Croats in Southern Poland right?

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>>77977641
protip:
there is one polack that hates western europeans and wants to see R1b steppe theory trashed.
there is a germanophile polack that at the same time thinks poland is the ancient homeland of slavs, whatever.

and here i am, my ancestor. :)
>>77977725
yes, the white chrobatia.

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>tfw you'll never get to oppress finns
>tfw you'll never get to genocide poles and steal all their stuff
>tfw you'll never get to cuck austria
>tfw you'll never get to cross the ice and fuck denmark
>tfw you'll never get to cuck norway into a political union
>tfw you'll never get to throw the Russians out of the baltic

>>77977436
That could be several reasons why Gothic remnants were unpopular. Maybe they were banished for something criminal?

Goths themselves also often kicked people out, suspected witches for one example (hallerunen).

>>77977758
>there is one polack that hates western europeans and wants to see R1b steppe theory trashed.
Yeah, this is the guy that I normally assume is behind most Polish haploshit posts. I consider him my secondary enemy, primary being the R1a Finnigger.

>>77977850
no, he rarely posts in those threads. you will most likely see him on /his/ or /pol/
the biggest haplofag shitposter is germanophile polack.

>>77977850
yes, we know what autistic levels threads reach when you three gather

>>77977850

He's not a Finn. He has a specifically Slavic subclade. Russia, Poland or Ukraine will have to take him back.

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i know that feel

>>77977884
True, I've definitely seen the Germanophile guy posting more recently. The angry Slavic nationalist guy seems post a bit less than he used to, probably because his shitty theories get proven wrong every time he posts here.

>>77977892
The "Finn" is responsible for most of the autism tbqhwy

>>77977897
Kek yeah. He started getting heat from other Finns and he doesn't post much at all now, fortunately.

goths sucked my fat slavic dick and swallowed my golden cum

ps. it's true

>>77979295

Well that explains why HIV resistance gene is so frequent in Poland all the Goths without it died >>77977259

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*sniffs thread*
barbarians

>>77979418
we wuz hiv partisans n shit

>>77979295
>and swallowed my golden cum

maybe you should change your diet?

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>>77979430

>>77979507
what mtDNA are hentai girls?

>>77979605
r9k

Do you meme geneticists got anything written on romanians? I'd like to see what's written about the danube civilizations and cucuteni.

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>>77968662
>tfw Sicilian

>>77980000

They were quintessentially Greek

>>77980000
the neolithic danubian area and cucuteni were G and I2. some limited E and J2

autosomally they were like a mix of neolithic anatolians and balkan hunter-gatherers. later Romania isn't sampled at all though

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>>77980338

They mixed with steppe people

>>77980338
From the sampling that was taken, I2 was the highest, followed by r1a. But it's hard to gauge the accuracy of genetic testing here because there was a huge immigration wave in the romanian principalities during the ottoman era, with a lot of greeks, armenians, bulgarians and albanians moving here and assimilating.

>>77980529
I can believe it. I've met a lot of girls who looked eurasian or even asian. Or they might just be cumanic remnants.

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>tfw descend from english, scottish, irish, french and austrian

As the roman empire collapsed most people moved either away from the huns or just to somewhere nicer to plunder. There isn't a good record of the mixing between old european cultural groups. I'd say we are all a little mixed from this time without borders. Look at Britain, and it was off on an island, so you can be sure on the mainland plenty of people fucked the newcomers, or were raped. Well before colonial nations with "white" immigrant policies. Rome falling was the end of the world for a time.

It's rare for someone to be genetically "gaulish" or "germanic" especially when these are concepts based in ancient culture and not ancient or modern genetics.

>>77980529
that's true, looking at the Mathieson paper again, they had a little bit of Yamnaya-like ancestry with a couple of outliers in Varna and Trypillia with higher

>>77963994
>400 bc
>bring down the Roman empire

Daily reminder that almost all of steppe ancestry in Europe comes from CWC.

>>77977884
Here I am faggot. West Europeans are Bell Beaker cucks, their R1b has nothing to do with the steppe.

>>77977850
>>77977897
>>77978014
You're wrong, it is a specifically Finnic subclade of M558 called R1a-Y10805 that predates Slavs. Only a butthurt Paleonigger would insist otherwise.

>>77982171
What's CWC?

>>77982469

Just an ancient Germanic culture

>>77982469
Corded Ware also known as Battle Axe.

>>77982513
not really

All this fucking genetic autism man

I'm Sardinian and I hear my ethnicity mentioned so often in these "discussions" but you guys obviously have some problems if you are so obsessed with this topic

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>>77982604
casa de marzu, bon a petit

>>77982647
uma rara delicia

>>77982604

If normal people would rather watch Jake Paul videos, I think I'd rather be autistic.

>>77982713
Do Finnish people really watch that shit?

>>77982736
the biggest youtuber in Finland is pewdiepie. especially among Finnish women :)

>>77982849
He's pretty hot tbqh

>>77982880
I'm half-Finnish girl and I love Swedish guys :)

i'm half-greek half-turkish :) my ancestor :)

>>77982849

Who cares about what Finnish women do?

Ethnic identity is passed down from the father.
We sadly can't at the very moment upgrade our DNA with Western European blood but at least we can dillute our Mongoloid DNA with Polish mail order brides.

>>77983021
>Polish mail order brides.
no such thing

>>77983021
that's not how it works, my wife's son is biologically German but he's Greek

>>77983086
Mail order brides from Poland are known to be some of the most gorgeous that the world has to offer. From their distinct features to their charming personalities, Polish brides can offer you something that most women cannot. The perfect Polish bride looks and acts like a real woman. She definitely knows how to beguile when she puts on makeup and flaunts the nicest outfits before leaving home. And you will be nurtured by a Polish woman and proud to have her by your side. Rose Brides has the best Polish mail order brides that the country has to offer. If you want to spice up your life, get a move on now by getting to know one of our Polish brides. She will help you put the fun back into your life. No one should live a life alone, and with one of our Polish brides you will never be lonely again. You will have that special person by your side forever.

>>77983103
since we're posting pastas:

Imagine living with women that are crazy feminist slavic whores acting like special snowflakes and where "men" will act like submissive bitches just to get the cunt: give me this, give me that, hey look, Im a wymyn treat me better :) give me even more. But you can't give her more, because you don't have the money and even if you did, she would want even more. - What can you do? You drown yourself in alcohol, beat the shit out of her and then you kill yourself when you get tired of it.

Do you really bought into "Le traditional, loving, caring and cooking polish girls" mene? :) You sad fucking fucks, you're in for a ride that will end your lives. They're cold whores without any emotions at all. They will lie and then stab you right through your fucking heart.

That's the cold and harsh reality of "Polish angels".

>inb4 butthurt submissive polish cucks

We Finnish women are easy simply because we can; we have long accepted that there's nothing wrong with having (even meaningless) sex and are not loaded with religious guilt about it, for example. I personally think our 'nonchalance' about sex, the natural way we accept is as our right, is one of the most visible examples of Finnish/Nordic equality; i.e. women are free to do what men also do (and take for granted). I' myself have had many long-term relationships that started as a one-night-stand; so our 'easiness' is by no means shunned upon.

And why should we not have sex - after all it's fun!

>>77983103
>No one should live a life alone, and with one of our Polish brides you will never be lonely again. You will have that special person by your side forever.
;_;