When will Greece reclaim the Turkish cities of: >Bursa (Prusa/Προῦσα)

Because greeks are and were not native to this place. They're no right or moral to claim them.
Anatolia had a population before greeks colonized it

>>77290611
and they were indo-europeans which turks are not

>>77290611

•Greeks have lived there 4 times longer than Turks have
•Greeks built these cities
•Atleast they were indo-European. Turks are not even Anatolian

>Greeks have no claim to the land

Hahahahahhhaaa

>>77290730
>>77290653
I guess afghan or pakis or iranian can colonize and conquer France, Spain, UK or Swede because they're indo european too!

Hitites had nothing to do with greeks outside of the family langage.

>>77290730
>>77290653
And more important, people living in Turkey are native to their country since neolithic they're not foreigner, central asian admixture is like 10%

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>>77291327
>And more important, people living in Turkey are native to their country since neolithic they're not foreigner, central asian admixture is like 10%
EBİN MEME BROTHER :DDDDDDDDDD

Please fuck off.

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>>77291439
Also central asian admixture is not "10%". Central Asian does not mean Mongoloid solely. Central Asian admixture ranges from 25% to over 50%, where as mongoloid dna varies from 5% to 25%
I hope you're still here so i can educate your retarded berber kind who seriously claim we're same as Hittites.

Where are you, Arap?

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>>77291439
Your map prove me right if anything, central asian heritage is 10-15%

Go read the 3 studies quoted
>Autosomal studies with recent methodology estimate the Central Asian contribution in Turkish people at 13-15%[1][2][3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people


Pic related = Case closed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/

>>77290359
never. Turkey is permanent. they have a near homogeneous population with its nucleus in one of the wealthiest and most resource rich regions on Earth.

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>>77291439
neolithic anatolians are extinct
your west coast is mainly greek
right in the middle of west turkey there's a small subset of turken hopelessly diluted by 700 years of mixing
your east is assyrian
your center is kurd

your are literally the bastard child of assyrian greeks cosplaying as muslims LARPing as horse archers

>>77291567
What's this shady random page with those random blurry numbers you clearly doesn't understand? All autosomal studies are extremly clear.

>The Central Asian contribution was found to be about 15% (with 45% Middle Eastern and 40% European)

They tested in 3 different cities.

An other study

>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20772/abstract

>Analysis suggested that, genetically, Anatolia is more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations. Central Asian contribution to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans was quantified with an admixture analysis. Furthermore, the association between the Central Asian contribution and the language replacement episode was examined by comparative analysis of the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia, Azerbaijan (another Turkic speaking country) and their neighbors. In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%.


Why are your living in the wrong?

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>>77291631
>Your map prove me right if anything, central asian heritage is 10-15%
KEK what a retarded goat fucker you are. You claimed that we're pure native anatolians, but we're more related to Turkmens of Turkmenistan than to Native Anatolians.

oh and that "central asian" thing. Again, my retarded Arabic friend. read what i wrote there >>77291567

Central Asian=/=Pure Mongoloid
also

>Citing wikipedia as a source
Why is your kind always retarded?

Now please print this pic, stick it up your ass. Don't act like you're an authority on this subject when you posses no knowledge at all. You just make people who actually know a shit angry. Better play with your underage friends by posting eupedia maps.

>>77291745
native anatolians are fucking extinct mate

removed
gone
permanent residents of chinatown
pulled a dissapearing act
memed into non existance

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>>77290359
we are the mixture of turkics and asians(anatolians) this is how our ancestors since 14th century have conducted themselves. we are the rightful native owners of this land
the land is rightfully ours, consider istanbul as a revenge for the villany of greeks against the troyans

furthermore the greeks have already tried to invade anatolia once. they lost and whilst fleeing burned down nearly all the cities in west anatolia making their claims void. the moreans, ionians, macedonians and thessalonians own right what they sit above and not a meter more

>>77291673
>with its nucleus in one of the wealthiest and most resource rich regions on Earth.
what "rich natural resource" does anatolia have?

>>77291745
>>77291745
>Sophisms
>Name calling
>Confusion

Man that's a new level of desillusion.

All studies are extremly clear, let me show you again:

First study
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20772/abstract

>Analysis suggested that, genetically, Anatolia is more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations. Central Asian contribution to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans was quantified with an admixture analysis. Furthermore, the association between the Central Asian contribution and the language replacement episode was examined by comparative analysis of the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia, Azerbaijan (another Turkic speaking country) and their neighbors. In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%


>Second study
>The Central Asian contribution was found to be about 15% (with 45% Middle Eastern and 40% European)

>Third study
>illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42–49), 40% European (95% CI, 36–44), and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13–16),
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/
Chimp out all you want, those 3 studies are extremly clear with very precise conclusion, they're as clear as a clean water, do whatever you want, those sentance and words have meaning.

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>>77291739
>What's this shady random page with those random blurry numbers you clearly doesn't understand? All autosomal studies are extremly clear.

It's from Eurogenes K13 calculator of an average Turk from Western Turkey. Of course you as an wikipedia warrior have never heard of actual genetic calculators, but i'm going to educate you don't worry. I'm going to be a little harsh on you though.
>muh autosomal dna
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, central asians who came here were 20% to over 50% mongoloids, similar to Turkmens and uzbeks to some degree. Then they mixed with locals and created Turkish people. Pic related is the best example of it. If Central Asian contribution is indeed 10%, then why the fuck does an average turk gets 50% Turkmen on a genetic calculator?
I'm not denying the fact that we're mixed, but saying shit like "10"
>>77291868
Again. Central Asian=/=Mongoloid. Central Asian in that study means "Mongoloid".
And
>muh name callling
i'm going to call you a retard because you're a retard, kid.

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>>77291745

Turkmenistan look like Persian and Khazakh hapas...

Look nothing like Turks

Seljuks were probably 30% Turkic 70% Persian genetically

Turks are probably less than 50% Seljuk genes. Probably 15%

>>77291958
a better question would be
what the fuck is an iranian doing in japan?

>>77291927
I never used the word mongoloid or said central asian were pur mongoloid, you're the only one here talking about that.
I only said modern day were not from central Asia.
You literally made up a strawman and you're arguing on something off topic.

You're not central asian (10-15% max), end of the story.

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>>77291851
large amounts of arable land, (Turkey is world's largest producer of many nuts and fruits), endless amounts of coal, iron, gold, warm-water ports only, dense marine life off-shore, the list goes on.

>>77291958
there are people with asiatic features (such as me) here still. the phenotype is called "west turanid". of course the pure turanids are rare but turanid influenced phenotypes are more common.


>>77291989
>I never used the word mongoloid or said central asian were pur mongoloid, you're the only one here talking about that.
Of course i know you never used that word, you drooling imbecile. You just copy pasted some random study without knowing what it actualyl meant. I was talking about the study which used the word "central asian" as a synonym for "mongoloid". AND this is wrong because c. asians themselves are not pure mongoloids as it's shown in the genetic calculators.
>You're not central asian (10-15% max), end of the story.
hmm take a look at those >>77291927 >>77291567 calculators. it says we're over 50% Turkmens or Nogai or an another turkic group. What you mean by 10% or 15% is the mongoloid dna.

Now will you accept your inferiority just like your ancestors and allow me to educate you? Talking out of your ass won't help you.

>>77291990
>large amounts of arable land
its around the european average, though the country is large
>Turkey is world's largest producer of many nuts and fruits
this is partly due to the farming advancements in turkey in early 20th century. turned the country into a large producer
>endless amounts of coal, iron, gold
turkey is a has minor resources in all of these things. except for gold they are mostly used in internal consumption
also we have no proper usable oil or gas and have to rely on countries like iraq or russia for these extremely important energy resources
>warm-water ports only
basically mediterranean, thanks

>>77292069
>The scientific studies are wrong and confuse words unlike me!
If they meant mongol instead of central asian, and if like you imply modern central asian are similar to modern day turks, why are there many scientific studies that show the opposit?
You only posted one >>77291439 pic I can't find it source, not only it can be syrian/Iraqi turkmen who aren't even central asian, but "Northwest asia" and "central asia" sound very vague, what's the precise genetic marker here/sub groupe?

>>77292069
Bir geri zekalı daha böylece def edilmiş oldu, namussuzun çocuğu bayağı direndi ama amına koduğumun çöl bedevisi gelmiş götünden genetik kasıyor vikiden kopyala yapıştır yaparak, bir de utanmadan konuyu kapatmaya çalışıyor, amına koduğumun hayvan ar*bı. gerçek genetik tarafından yalanlanınca sustu şimdi.
ne kadar sikik millet varsa bizle uğraşıyor ak47. keşke alman falan olsaydım da bu otizmle uğraşmak zorunda kalmasaydım.
>>77291851
>the land is rightfully ours, consider istanbul as a revenge for the villany of greeks against the troyans

Mehmed II?
>>77291990
gold doesn't actually exist in large amounts here. yes we have arable lands but they're not very fertile, like as in nile delta. but Adana and some parts of Thrace are very fertile.

>>77292299
I can't find the study except some 4chan and forum links https://www.google.dz/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuZqENtVjbJszLvbnSBm8YXHFC6kl3FCfrnTjbshEHEIE_1sQ8bM8SPk60_1TWMK9sU1PPW_1WpYBGD3x8gFD0I7OqcvOGCBPqchME2EVfVdp8U6Hc7U5z0p8jew5mfQZ5Vgkrg7oBU-SugG2lH75JLnGMJvCnHgHn4ESnlwRqx8lH7YFsmQ2Njh6MPRt3dQmk2YAt8j0ca0E5lbJFnPMeiuICpytsxIGUbxcbj2WSSK-xgpS99KpCF7394wJHUW5JtBmosAMN5cdELkH5DVeA5vdJEjNQKFrLuOwk3R3DlIB9rAhaxLeAEiAcPA84_1kShKDwgdwKt8GdDlsyu4avoVdiHJXB_1hw


I would need the full autosomal study and lineage of central asian people.

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>>77292299
Hah geri geldi
>and if like you imply modern central asian are similar to modern day turks, why are there many scientific studies that show the opposit?

Modern day "central asians" (Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz) are not similar to Turks, what i'm saying is that Turks are a mixture of Turkmens and local people here. This is what i'm trying to tell for minutes.
>why are there many scientific studies that show the opposit?

"scientific" studies can also be wrong. not so many years ago Napoleon was thought to be a non corsican or french because he had a Caucasian haplogroup.

>You only posted one >>77291439 (You) pic I can't find it source, not only it can be syrian/Iraqi turkmen who aren't even central asian, but "Northwest asia" and "central asia" sound very vague, what's the precise genetic marker here/sub groupe?

The genetic results are taken from 9 random Turkmens from Turkmenistan on Gedmatch. Their kit numbers are hidden BUT you can actually download all peoples' genetics from this website http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10347-(Unofficial)-oracle-for-Eurogenes-K36-256-reference-populations and see it yourself. It includes almost all kinds of people.

>>77292361
Kek probably your posts here http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214872-Autosomal-Results-of-Turkics


You doesn't seem to understand that there's an extreme variety in those big group like "south asian" and your Northwest Asia isn't the same as them. That's what i'm trying to make you understand.

Central asian today have different genetic than Anatolian https://www.google.dz/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/publication/226978046_Genetic_Differentiation_of_the_Population_of_Central_Asia_Inferred_from_Autosomal_Markers/amp

>>77292444
that is not me
i'm not a turanist.
>>77292444
>You doesn't seem to understand that there's an extreme variety in those big group like "south asian" and your Northwest Asia isn't the same as them. That's what i'm trying to make you understand.
read what i wrote there >>77292436

>>77290359
T*rks have no right being in Anatolia anyway. Kick all t*rks out and make it a part of Greece.

>>77292436
So the sejukids and turkic that turkified Turkey culturally and it seem genetically were turkmens?
Napoleon genetics seem only to confirms what historian expected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bonaparte#DNA_research

>>77292069
>Now will you accept your inferiority just like your ancestors
My ancestors the ait abbas tribe beat osmani army and put them as tributarian for centuries friendo. Accept yours

>>77292716
Seljuks were Turkmens yes.
Did you think they were Kazakh or something? They spoke an Oghuz language, aka Turkmen.
>My ancestors the ait abbas tribe beat osmani army and put them as tributarian for centuries friendo. Accept yours

i'm 1/120 arab and my ancestors (rashidun caliphate) fucked berbers up

>>77292759
I always assumed they were from that mongoloids areas, yeah.
Still today Turkey is different from most of the -stan countries near Mongolie, that was my pont

>Fucked berbers up

nice meme but from 740 to end of middle ages araps only lost wars and were basically slave to our dynasties.

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>>77292321
yep
makes more sense than "we are %100 turkic" position
which is a position that has never taken by any serious turkish intellectual. even extra-right wing personalities like atsız talk about people "who have been turkified to the point of not belonging to their other groups in spirit" or "mixed race but serving the turkish ideals(like mehmet akif ersoy or yıldırım bayezid) " as turks

the position of "we are turkic speaking people who descend from a mixture of ethnically turkic groups and native anatolians" makes sense to me, so i roll with it
it is also historical so it is double satisfying as a position to take

do those niggers really have city called Olympos? fucking t*rks i swear to god

>>77292886
>I always assumed they were from that mongoloids areas, yeah.
:D
Okay i'm calm now. Sorry for being too savage.

Seljuks were founded by Turkmens, it's a Turkmen/Oghuz empire.
>nice meme but from 740 to end of middle ages araps only lost wars and were basically slave to our dynasties.
That's a lie, Arabs are the strongest race in the world and they conquered the sissified berbers

>>77292909
Central asian were indoeuro-eurasian/genetically different a long time ago, the mongoloid mixed them hard even before civilization begun, and probably also dis with the mongol invasion.

>>77292909
>yıldırım bayezid
uhh, wasn't his father also mixed? the first mixed sultan was Murad I, Bayezid's father.
Oh and nobility is always mixed, even Seljuk rulers were mixed (some of them had german heritage from their mothers)

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>>77292969
Central asian are pretty cucked/mixed too, pic related.

>>77293067
that's not a mystery actually. even the central asians admit that and some of them we wuz about ancient iranians

>>77293120
It's quit sad the iranian world lost things like the scythian civilization.


At least some 3 letters iranic group with a communist ideology will gain some land from some country soon :DDd

>>77292981
>>77293067
no, proto-turkics were mongoloids somewhat related to mongols
they then mixed with the nomadic indo-europeans(around 300bc, also picked up a lot of their culture from them) and formed the early-turkic groups whom then evolved into further sub-groups through common tribal grouping like oghuz, uyghur, kipchak etc and formed separate ethnic groups related through linguistics
further immigration(to the middle east, anatolia, balkans, caucasus, east europe, north india, iran, china etc) and mixing with outside ethnic groups then diversified the populations
today the word "turk" generally denotes the speakers of the language even though they may not be so similar genetically. however that really doesn't matter much.

>>77293014
>the first mixed sultan was Murad I, Bayezid's father.
yeah that was his point in that particular writing
what he said was;
>"En büyük Türkler'den birisi olan Yıldırım Beyazıd'ın anası Türk değildir. Hangi Türkçü onu Türklük kadrosundan çıkarmıştır veya çıkarabilir? İstiklal Marşı şairi Mehmet Akif'in babası Arnavut, ülküsü de Türkçülüğe aykırı olan ümmetçilik olduğu halde hangi Türkçü Mehmet Akif için Türk değildir demiştir? Mesele Yıldırım Beyazıd veya Mehmet Akif kadar Türk olabilmektir."
when even atsız takes positions as this who can then call turkish nationalism a truly racialist ideology i wonder?

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>>77293251
Why Timur insulted Bayezid for not being turkic enough when he was more turkic than him?
Also wonder why he said ottoman origins were not turkic and tought they were.

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>>77293310
Fugg the next page on the ottoman Turk - central asian relation was really interesting but it's not available.

>>77293310
timur's position was that ottomans did not come from a noble turkic family, they came from an obscure tribe which is factually correct

>but this was after their Illuminati leadership had escaped
>timur invented stories

stop reading non-historian 80 iq islamist subhuman writings

1. we don't know what the proto turk looked like
2. the term turkmen gets applied to many groups with varying genetic journeys
3. on the very wide cross roads between europe and asia that are teritories tradionally associated with turks, even a motionless, avoidant group would change its genetic make up


so what is your point?
turks are turks, i'd feel retarded claiming something else

>>77293310
Ottomans came from Turkmenistan when Genghis Khan invaded Central Asia, they sought refuge in Anatolia and owned a piece of Seljuk land in Western Turkey. Then shit hit the fan.
And about Uzbek-Ottoman cooperation, Both Turks and Uzbeks were Sunni and Azeri Turks/Qizilbash Turkomans who ruled Iran were Shia.They were natural allies.
>>77293310
>Why Timur insulted Bayezid for not being turkic enough when he was more turkic than him?
I don't know. Timur also referred to Bayezid as "Emperor of Rome". Maybe he was pointing out to the fact that Ottoman Empire started to become less culturally turkic and more balkan influenced (which is pretty true)

>>77290359
>adana
>antioch
larp harder literal faggot

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>>77293401
Wew, this guy seem legit retarded, pic related his other book

>>77293458
I always tought the osmani empire as a mix of the Byzantinian legacy, the persianate culture/society and some balkanit influence.


Not sure if it's revisionnism but it seem that all turkic dynasties and empire were persianate/persified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persianate_society

Unlikely, the modern liberal world order simply doesn't work like that anymore. The world throws a shit fit over any annexation, look at Russia with Crimea and that was between virtually the same people. Full scale take over and ethnic purging? International community would get militarily involved and stop it.

>>77293578
Google Turko-Persian tradition
Anyway, you should really read about history of Seljuks, central asia if you're interested :D

>>77293484
Adana is a hittite name. Pretty amazing how its name didn't change for centuries

>>77293638
antioch adana değil olm hatay, bu piçlerin bilgisi bu kadar işte

>>77293711
Adana'nın antioch'tan türediğini zannetmiş de olabilir.

>>77293721
gram beyni olsa böyle tirad açmazdı diaspora piçi

>>77293711
ahaha, aynen moruk
pis picler

>>77293746
aynen kanka

>>77293609
The most interesting part of the seljukid is not in asia with the Ghaznavids it's in their middle eastern history imo, their battles against the fatimids and byzantine and relation with Abbassid/Buyid. Also with crusaders.


Some k*rd ruined the fun tho (saladin)

>>77293746
ağzı olan konuşuyor hocam
>>77293762
Seljuks in Levant and Anatolia are interesting

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12-14th Anatolian was fun

>>77293820
My tribe (Chepni) fought against Pontic Greeks for a long time in Northeastern Anatolia. They fended off a Trebizond navy too

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>that time were berbers and turks allied agaisnt the caliphe who wanted Egypt to be literally blacked and raped by sudanesd

>>77293884
lmao, what a cuck. And too think Arabs needed a Kurd to save them from the Crusaders. kek, how pathetic.

>>77293847
Turks can find out their original tribe? Didn't knew that.

Here since it has always been a tribal it's very easy

>>77293590

If ISIS can do it, anyone can. The massive nuclear hegemon like US, China, and Russia that stops it

>>77293980
>Turks can find out their original tribe? Didn't knew that.

Well it's kind of complicated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTRHSHREz6E

Ottomans documented what Turkish tribes lived in which parts of Anatolia (watch the video), the problem is that too many tribes lived in one place at the same time. At Turks were "forced" to stop being tribal/nomadic by Ottomans.a long time ago. So it's hard to find what tribe you belong to. But my city was only filled with Chepni tribesmen.

>>77294002
But they aren't, they're getting destroyed. They've already shrunk significantly and are well past their greatest extent. Plus they spawned in a region of the world where western humanism and egalitarianism don't exist. A place like Greece, isn't likely to get the willpower needed to enact such a brutal campaign as they would need to.

>>77294052
Yeah tribalism, nomadism etc. post-16tj at the age of the gunpowder, sedentary empire etc. is not good.
They had to give up this way of life, otherwise we saw what a modern empire like Russia can do to the tribalic nomadic central asia in the 18-19th..
They annexed like 20 Emirates /kingdom.

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>>77293980
anyone who comes from a turkmen village can trace back their lineage to their original tribe (most such villages are a mixture of different tribes)
for example mine is a part of the greater bozulus tribes. they used to live in the norther-syrian region but were settled in west anatolia in 16th century. the regions in which they were settled are also known so you can actually trace-back your extended family that way(which sometimes does happen in turkmen meetings)

>>77294144
We still have nomadic people here though and they're called "Yörüks".
The only reason why Ottomans forced to settle nomads down was economic issues, nomads didn't want to pay taxes to Ottomans and they had some issues with settled peoples. Ottomans gradually dealt with them by giving them a lot of lands, deporting them to Balkans or killing them.

>>77294202
>nomads didn't want to pay taxes to Ottomans and they had some issues with settled peoples
kek

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>>77294202
This sound extremly familiar at many extent seem to be some standard of how to deal with nomads. (Still exists too in North Africa btw)

Those yorouk look very whitish.
Anyway gonna sleep cya

>>77294270
>Those yorouk look very whitish.
They're pretty diverse.
>Anyway gonna sleep cya
see you.

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>>77294270
strange, yörüks i met all look asiatic

>>77294066
Greece should send "migrants" en masse to change demographics of Ionia

>>77294316
Bazıları öyle bazıları değil. genelde 3 tipte geliyorlar, ya beyaz ya esmer ya da çekik gözlü.
yörüklerden bahsetmişken, şu şarkıyı dinleyelim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-e3fzPM7Qw

>>77294398
Don't think they have the population or birthrates for that. They aren't niggers that pop out 9 kids for every woman.

>>77294415
bu grup yorum k*rtçü değil mi

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKNw477onU

>>77294445
Öyle ama şarkıyı güzel yorumlamışlar.

>>77294540
boşver xocem sen hakkıpill'i yut :DDDD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RjiLF44Ajzo

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this thread pic related

polak proxy makes this thread because Greeks are wealthier than them

same for the sandniggers in this thread

jealousy and inferiority compplex

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>>77290359
today?

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>>77291265
>afghan or pakis or iranian

They're Arabs they have nothing to do with Indo-Europeans who were all whites

>>77290359
never ever

>>77296096
Where's Kosovo on that map?

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>>77291567
>Genetic distance of 9


9 is an ENORMOUS GAP

We can't even govern the country with today's borders, what makes you think that we can afford to annex half of Turkey?

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>>77298411
Sure thing, Yannis.

idk but Greeks and Turks look the same, there is no diffrence stop arguing

Turks in Turkey look different from the ones in Germany why is that?

>>77298997
we call those Kurds

>>77299030
How are Kurds exactly different from Turks?

>>77299205
Turks can into state

>>77299205
Kurds are like Gypsies, except they're communist muslims too

>>77299205
Let me explain for your little american brain.
Turks=slavic+iranic+asiatic+arabic
kurds=iranic+arabic
i know americans are dumb as fuck but please at least understand this.

>>77299548
>Turks=slavic+iranic+asiatic+arabic
If you threw slavic in the mix might as well throw GREEK

>>77299700
YUR RIGHTT AF
Turks=Slavic+helenic+iranic+asiatic+caucasoid