"Daddy, why don't Americans have free health care like

>>77286518

Because they're ruled by Jews.

>>77286518
"Because they're not a civilized nation, sweetie."

>free
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.jpg

>>77286518
Can't be any good if they're giving it out for free, honey

>>77286784
Far cheaper for almost the same quality as yours anyway.

>>77286784
>EVERY american has the SAME argument regarding to healthcare

do ***they*** teach you in school how to react?

>>77286518
>free

By this logic America has a free military.

>>77286518
it violates the Constitution and you're using the word "free" in reference to a service or good that people exchange money for. Now shut the fuck up sweetie.

because the lazy niggers would take advantage of it, as they take advantage of welfare.

That's the answer sweetie, we can't have nice things because of niggers and kikes.

>>77286518
American chose money instead of healthcare. That's why it's land of the free. You are free to choose

>>77286972
It's just such an obvious argument to make. It's not free. Why are you calling it free? If you want to argue about publicly funded healthcare, then fine, but don't pretend it's free. Is that how they got you guys to vote for it to begin with?

>"Hey everyone, we're passing free healthcare!"
>"Wait, who will pay for the doctors and medicine?"
>"Don't worry, it's free!"
>"Ok."

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Because Americans are content with getting fucked in the ass by corporations, under the tense of supporting Americanism

>>77286937
>>77286972
He's right though. The proper term is "publicly funded". It triggers the ameribum in the same way while not being factually wrong.

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>free

>>77287050
>Louxembourg
I hate these kikes so fucking much.

>>77287044
Free as in you're not charged for the individual service, you're charged as an equal share of the public funding.

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>go to the supermarket
>they're giving "free" samples of some food
>rage like an autist at how they aren't really free
>refuse any handouts
>get kicked out

>>77287195
>free as in it's not free
okay thank you for clarifying

>>77287195
Publicly funded healthcare is a good idea, but unless you don't pay taxes then it isn't free and it's disingenuous to present it that way.

>>77286518
>blonde kid

You are obviously not mine. It's time to kill your mother

>>77287044
Are 'murricans really this stupid? The healthcare service is provided free of charge. Thus "free healthcare". Of course it will have to be funded with tax payer money. Anyone above single digit IQ will realize that, so stop telling yourself that you're being clever and insightful for pointing that out.

>>77287313
Nobody presents it that way unless they're trying to bait Americans on the internet. The official German term is statutory health insurance, and it's been a thing here since 1884.

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>>77287195
>you're charged as an equal share

>equal

>>77287438
>it's free but you have to pay for it reee stupid Americans why can't they understand this simple concept
consider suicide

>>77287009
Exactly this, thanks neighbor

>>77287658
How would they take advantage of healthcare?

>>77287690
Black people have very high rates of heart disease and getting shot.

>>77287313
>it isn't free and it's disingenuous to present it that way
That's like complaining that a "MacBook Air" is not actually made out of air and isn't even a book. Hell, it's not even made by an actual apple.

>>77286518
We do. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.

>>77286518
They prefer choice over quality of life.
Now lets go back to playing cave explorer

>>77287690

Ever heard about free-riding?

>>77287772

Except MacBook Air is the name of a product, and the meaning of "Air" is very simple to understand.

Calling something "Free" when it is infact not is just stupidity.

>>77287767
But it's not abusing. Every race have health predispositions.
>>77287812
Never. Even tho it's free here too

>>77287833

Oh it's free? Your doctors and midwives work for free?

>>77287854
Government pays them. I don't

>>77287906

You are not forced to pay taxes?

>someone pays them
>it's free

A paradox.

>>77287542
If there's free wifi on a train, do you throw an autistic tantrum about it not being free because you had to pay for a train ticket to gain access to it?

We had this thread yesterday, dumbasses
Same posters, same charts again wtf

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>>77287968
>free
>have to pay for it

>>77287953
I don't pay taxes because I don't have legal income so it's absolutely free for me

>>77287812
>the meaning of "Air" is very simple to understand.
As is the meaning of "free".

>>77287968
no, because I chose to buy a ticket to ride that train and wasn't forced to with the threat of going to jail for tax evasion. Do you have any other stupid analogies you would like to share that prove that the definition of the word free is not actually "something which you don't have to pay for" or are you done?

>>77288015
Do you, or do you not throw an autistic tantrum on the train because they say they have free wifi?

>>77288021

Then you are what I said earlier, a free-rider, also known as a leech.

>>77288025

Except the meaning of free in this case is not the name of the product. MacBook Air is the name of a gadget, calling it "MacBook Free" and then having a price for it would be the same thing.

>>77288098
>wah! someone forced me to pay taxes!
No, you chose to pay taxes by engaging in a taxed activity in the country you chose to live in. If you don't like it, you can always leave.

>>77288114

Completely depends.

Is it free as in I don't have to pay anything extra for it? Or is it "free" as in add 30kr extra to your ticket for wifi. Can I choose to opt out or am I forced to pay a higher price?

>>77288198
But I am not free rider. Someone has paid for my raid

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>>77288198
You mean like this?

>>77286784
maybe you should get some lead-free tap water

>>77288206
>you chose

No, I am threatened to pay taxes through violence. If I don't pay taxes I am considered a criminal and will be thrown in jail.

>>77288206
but I'm not doing any of those things, you sperg

>>77288236

You are indeed a free-rider.

>>77288249

In this case, Fanta Free is free from sugar, explicitly marketed as such, not as Fanta Free, not having to pay for it.

>>77288303
But it's not free because someone is paid for it

>>77286518
Does single payer healthcare system sustain tho?

I heard the UK has to import Eastern Euro doctors to fulfill their needs and Scandis and Germany have to import Middle Eastern doctors to cover for doctor shortage or so due to doctors not getting paid as good as their efforts to become doctors and so.

>>77288235
The wifi is free to all passengers. The cost of supplying all passengers with free wifi is covered by the company that runs the trains. They of course ultimately got that money from their paying customers.

>>77288327

Indeed, it is not free. You however, are a free-rider.

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>let's create a legally enforced monopoly

Who thought this was a good idea for Europe?

>>77288355
We have to import doctors from India as well because white medical students only want to work in places like Los Angeles where they think they'll treat celebrities. Nobody wants to set up a medical practice in the middle of Kansas.

>>77288381

So if it's covered by the company (no price hike on tickets) I don't see a problem.

>>77288269
Only if you engage in taxable activities in the country you chose to live in. If you don't like it, you can always leave.

>>77287906
Stop lying. Your government doesn't pay them shit. The patients pay them. In bribes. YOu have to bribe every fucking nurse in a "free" hospital otherwise they will ignore you and they don't give a shit if you die.

t. knower

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Commies need to leave

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>>77288433

Not an argument.

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>>77288397

Yeah because your system is definitely keeping the prices down with all that competition.

>>77288432
What would be the difference between that and free healthcare?

>>77288418
We still have lots of white med students at Caribbean that are willing to work at any place in the US. (They have it hard almost as much as Indians to match into a US hospital) Not sure if this is the case in many European countries.

>>77288418
they are a higher % of indian doctors on the coasts than in any flyover state.

>>77288461
You don't have to explicitly state that you don't have an argument. It's fairly evident.

>>77288472

Because the healthcare isn't free and shouldn't be called or marketed as such. Comparing it to wifi on a train is ridiculous and you know it, "free" wifi on a train is not free either but it's not even close to being on the same scale.

>>77288355
>Eastern Euro doctors
I wouldn't be surprised. NHS is a fucking nightmare

>>77288514

You don't have one indeed.

"le if you don't like it just leave xDD"

That very retarded mentality is the reason our country looks like it does today, a proper shit hole.

Americans took the worst out of muh ancap healthcare and sprinkled it with shitty government programs/subsidies to create the fucking abomination they have.

Americans have to pay for their healthcare AND every employee at Goldbergstein & Sons Insurance Inc.
Single payer is definitely a better system because it cuts out the middleman.

Don't be stupid, sweetie, there is no such thing as free lunch.

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>>77288463
>Americans can afford to spend more on higher quality healthcare providers
>other counties must accept cheap low quality service

Damn, making the government the soul provider of healthcare looks like a real good idea now.

Next let's have the government monopolize insurance, banking, and food production. What could possibly go wrong?

>>77288355
>Middle Eastern doctors
I don't think that's even a thing.

>doctor shortage or so due to doctors not getting paid as good as their efforts to become doctors
You pretty much have to have perfect grades to study as a doctor here because the competition is so fierce. Believe me, we do not have a lack of people wanting to become doctors.

>>77288690

No we have a problem of doctors having to work triple shifts for super low pay (unless they go private as everyone with half a brain does in Sweden).

>>77288549
>Because the healthcare isn't free and shouldn't be called or marketed as such.
It's exactly as free as the wifi is. You didn't have a problem with that being called free.

>>77288799
Except you could always use a different airline that doesn't force you to pay for wifi.

>>77288798
Doctors do not have low pay, nor do they have to work triple shifts. Stop pulling shit out of your ass when you don't have anything intelligent to say.

>>77288902
Exactly the same as with free healthcare, then. You could always move somewhere where you don't have to pay taxes.

>>77288938
Oh, like, I don't know...

America?

>>77288798
How does your private care work? Premiums? Deductibles? How much?

>>77288968
Where exactly in America would you not have to pay taxes?

>>77288799
>these non arguments

Healthcare isn't free, wifi isn't free. What a company calls their wifi I really don't care as long as I am not forced to pay for said "free" shit.

>>77288903

You really should look up Swedish hospitals today and see what their situation looks like.

>>77288938
>exactly the same as with free healthcare

Except I am forced to give up more than half of my income to pay for it.

>>77288938
Furthermore, choose a different airline hardly equates to moving your entire family across the planet earth which is not only drastically inconvenient but also factually impossible for the vast majority of people.

Your whole argument has been based on false equivalency and strawman the entire time perhaps you should re-work it and come back in the inevitable next iteration of this thread.

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>>77289007
For universal healthcare, the discussion we are having? Try everywhere buckaroo.

Pic related, your argument strategy.

>>77286518
>tfw no daughter to give lectures on English superiority to.
Why live?

>>77288995

Premiums and deductibles depending if you have insurance or not. Most people don't as they enjoy such "good free healthcare" :^)

Obviously private is incredibly expensive here since very few people are using it, not to mention the terrible conditions of running a company in this socialist shit hole.

>84 replies in less than an hour
Cackling

If I earn 50k in the states, what are the lowest and highest tax rate states? What am I going to net?

>>77289020
It is not the service provider's fault that you can't find another service provider that is convenient to you.

>>77289074
I saw this Swede being retarded and realized others might think along similar lines so I wanted to educate them

>>77289085

Colorado is great. Go there.

>>77289087
I'm not going to argue this non-argument as you've clearly chosen to ignore all previous points made and simply make a general and marginally irrelevant claim.

>>77289127
>Colorado
Good for skiing not sure what is it like to live there
>>77289085
>lowest
Probably Alaska. If don't like cold mb Florida
>highest
Eternal Commiefornia

>>77289198
Can you give me a % though for comparison

>>77289198
>low taxes
>good for skiing

Sign me up.

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because , traitors little one , traitors.
but don't you worry , there day of the rope is swiftly approaching.
JFK is on the move.
he can smell there fear.

>>77289085
hmm i am not sure state tax would make that big of a difference to be the main criteria. the cost of living (such as housing prices) is much more important.

>>77289015
>Healthcare isn't free, wifi isn't free. What a company calls their wifi I really don't care as long as I am not forced to pay for said "free" shit.
Believe me, if you board their train, you will be forced to pay for their "free" shit.

>You really should look up Swedish hospitals today and see what their situation looks like.
I have immediate family members working as or studying to become doctors. I am fairly well acquainted with their situation.

>Except I am forced to give up more than half of my income to pay for it.
Membership in Sweden is a package deal. You can't single out which membership fees you want to pay or which rules you want to follow. Take it or leave it.

>>77289182
>I have no arguments
Thank you for admitting it.

>>77286518
Too many immigrants. There would be too many people coming in and not enough paying into the system.

>>77289233
https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes
Prob you can refer to this......
Mb also this
http://www.tax-rates.org/taxtables/income-tax-by-state
>>77289234
Prob the easiest thing foreigners can do these days is NIW (foreign doctors and professors are often qualified b/c of their (scientific) papers) or EB-5 (if have $$)

>>77289068
So, what do you think is the main disadvantage of the "free" healthcare in Sweden? Long wait times, or obsolete equipment or bad doctors or something else?

>>77289234
he probably means downhill skiing.
aren't you guys more into cross country skiing?
or maybe both i am not sure.

>>77289290
>I am fairly well acquainted with their situation.

Clearly not since you're denying long known problems.

>>77289352

One day I will leave this socialist shit hole, hopefully to live in North America.

>>77289363

Stupid long wait times and cost. Swedes are having 50%+ of their income taken just through income tax, not counting all the other retarded taxes we have to pay. The wait times are through the roof. The most simple things takes months and years to wait for. It's a disaster really.

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>>77289461
>country skiing

Fook dat. Downhill all day.

>>77289463
>Clearly not since you're denying long known problems.
Triple shifts and low pay for doctors are not among them. You're thinking of the nurses and even they do not work triple shifts.

public healthcare is the only way

the government expects me to work for them, they better make damn sure that i'm healthy

>>77289463
>50%+ of their income taken just through income tax,
holy shit. this can't be real. so if i make 100K a year, i only take home 50K? and still wait in fucking lines? i mean i know your taxes are high but i never thought about the actual numbers.

>>77289491
Cool. Do you play hockey?

>>77287248
I can picture an American doing this in Costco.

>>77288013
/thread

>>77289838

If you make 100k a year you'll take less than 50%. Since over a certain amount you're taxed at 57 cent per dollar made. Excluding every other tax we have, this is only income.

>>77288463
In fact overregulation is mainly what drives costs up.

>>77290680

Opps this is 100k/month lmao

Anyways, for 1mil/year ($100k) it's 90k SEK a month you get paid, you get to keep 43k SEK.

>>77290742
>get paid 90
>take home 43
literally w-w-w-what??? and on top of that you may even need to pay extra if you want private insurance??? wtf i must be missing something. it can't be that bad since that's what most swedes prefer and vote for that, right? lots of free stuff, perhaps?

If you could choose one company to be the only healthcare provider, who would it be?

For me, it certainly wouldn't be the US government...

A welfare state seemed like a great idea in 1960s Sweden. Today however...

http://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/02/10/sweden-migrant-crime-cost/

https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/06/economist-explains-20

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/10/the-death-of-the-most-generous-nation-on-earth-sweden-syria-refugee-europe/

>>77291962
Free healthcare, free education, an extensive "safety net", good infrastructure, paid sick leave, paid parental leave, etc. We pay a lot in taxes, but we also expect to get a lot done with tax payer money.

>>77292122
You don't need astronomical tax rates and a nanny state to have a good society.

You only need Christianity. A healthy fear of Jesus Christ Almighty and the one true Lord thy God.

>>77292122
Which is all fine and dandy, but people deserve choice, and our system doesn't give us any.

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>>77292256
how do we become more like philippines?

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>>77292295
What do you mean by this?

>>77292345
They are very religious

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>>77288645
Ferengi lookin' biatch lol

>>77292380
because their president looks and acts like a saint

>>77292295
>>77292380
Does correlation=causation?

Because of the negros being to large of a burden child.

>>77292670
yes

>>77286784
At least I don't have to pay 400 dollars for an appointment with the doctor

This is what our free health care got us.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/kowanyama-suicide-mayor-opens-up-with-personal-story/8713386

Failing our most vulnerable. For shame, Australia.

>>77292799
really. who pays 400 dollars for an appt?

>>77286518
Given that the republican bill just failed completely it will be up to the dems to fix it, and they'll adopt the German system or something in 3 years.

Soon

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>be in a need of a surgery
>get put in a 3 month queue in public sector
>condition worsens in 1 month
>still not acute enough to get ahead in queue
>fuck it, i'll go to Private
>instant treatment but had to pay shitloads
and i still need to pay taxes for this joke of a "free" healthcare. kill all socialists

>>77288645

>Quality

Oh, you've already been brainwashed by your insurance company, you're a lost cause.

>>77289838
>holy shit. this can't be real. so if i make 100K a year, i only take home 50K?

Learn how tax brackets work, you dumb fuck.

Let me guess, you're one of those idiots who believe there's such thing as earning less because you "went up into a higher bracket" because you file your income tax based entirely on the highest bracket they're in and don't know that you tier your income between brackets and pay the tax per division?

>>77292293
>but people deserve choice

You have one, it's called moving Africa where you can whine less about taxes.

>>77294969
Is it lucrative being a doctor in a ""socialist"" country?

>>77287050
this graph is bullshit

>eurofags mad knowing the truth that companies are more powerful than the government
Literally what the fuck is wrong with this?
The answer is nothing btw. Microsoft is literally more powerful than the state of Rhode Island. Fuck you commie faggots, the free market will overpower everything.

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>>77295212

Yeah, fuck those europeans for not trusting in corporates incentives to take care of people

>>77295212
>Microsoft is literally more powerful than the state of Rhode Island.
That's not exactly ensuring.

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>>77286518
Because they're classcucks.

>>77289838
Powerfully dumb post

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>>77297142
fascism is not a force of reaction though