Capitalism is responsible for almost everything that is wrong

>posted from a device that wouldn't exist without capitalism

Good thread. We need Socialism for prosperity.

Fuck capitalism

Sent from my iPhone

>>77069748
nice meme

>>77069748
ye because without capitalism there would be no progress

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*tips fedora*

>>77069779
That's true though. People invented things before Brits figured out capitalism but people didn't get richer until after

>>77069958
you mean jews didn't get richer

>>77069748
Ah yes. Before the industrial revolution people didn't create, invent, make art nor improved on their lives.

What has capitalism achieved in the past century, huh? I mean besides almost making the planet unfit for human habitation. Building hideous blocks of gray and brown cubes and calling them "skyscrapers" as if they fool anyone. They just wanted to cram more people together like tuna for profit. Capitalism created so much garbage, they're now the size of large islands that swim in the ocean. There's constant surveillance, police states and rampant corruption. And the worst: endless lies, flowing from the media.
A handful or rich bastards own everything, while the rest have next to nothing. The whole system is designed to siphon money upwards.
More more more, buy this shit, and that, you need it, trust us. When is it enough?! The answer is never. Because capitalism is human greed personified, manifested into reality. It's soulless, evil, and it can never be satisfied. It's spreading like cancer, and as such it must be dealt with the same way. It must be cut out.

>>77070242
Before the industrial revolution progress moved at a snails pace. that is not a coincidence. demand requires production. production requires innovation

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>>77070242
>Building hideous blocks of gray and brown cubes and calling them "skyscrapers" as if they fool anyone. They just wanted to cram more people together like tuna for profit... There's constant surveillance, police states and rampant corruption. And the worst: endless lies, flowing from the media.
I chortled

>>77070242
You are getting consumerism and capitalism mixed up. They are very similar and consumerism can thrive in capitalism but they are different thing.

>>77070242
This is b8

>>77070292
There was no long-run "progress" at all before the Industrial Revolution if you define that as an increase in disposable income per capita. Depending on relative factor endowment of land and labor incomes might go up for a while before going back down, but no secular increase since the Mesolithic

>>77069729
Our immediately accessible environment has a very limited amount of resources given our almost insatiable desire for things.

Capitalism is by far the best way to juggle our competing needs and desires constrained by limited resources which range from materials, to labour-hours and information.

>>77069760
>Russia

>>77070242
what have the romans ever done for us

>>77069729
I always knew people from ex soviet block countries are still secretly commies

>>77070380
Thank you for noticing my flag.

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>>77069729
>>77070242
Probably b8 but you're right anyway. Fuck the capitalist class.

A
Anti
Anticapitalista

>>77069729
What's the alternative? I want a genuine answer.

cash rules everything around me cream get the money dolla dolla bill yoooo

>>77070526
African Americans worship currency as if it's not a human construct.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism but current copyright/IP laws need to be considerably scaled down because they inhibit progress. Can't be proven wrong, so just read this post and move on.

>>77070521
The United Federation of Planets

>>77070517
Why are they always skinny white betas lol

>>77070470
You are the capitalist class as an American tho

>1 in 30 Americans are millionaires
>in the rest of the world it's like 1 in 500

>>77070521
Corporatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

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Capitalism is the reason you're here you fucking morons.

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>>77069748

ITT: mad poorfags that would support and justify capitalism if they suddenly earned top dollar

Trying to understand what this has to do with /int/ desu

Shouldn't this be in pol?

>>77070811
Fuck off dubslord.

>>77069779
That is correct, yes.

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>>77069729
Fuck capitalism!

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>>77069748
>>77069770

>>77070326
No, consumerism was literally unheard of before Capitalism. Capitalism wants more profit. Planned obsolescence and consumerism gives it just that.
They're pretty much inseparable. Like shit and vomit inducing stink.

>>77070521
If you want the meme answer: The workers should seize the means of production. Anarchism. Take your pick.
If you want the real answer: in like 20 years there will be nothing left to seize because most jobs will be done by machines and robots. Not all, but enough that there'll be a significant discontent among the less educated and those who're already live in poor conditions. It's their jobs that'll go first.
We're living on borrowed time. It's just a matter of years before 1. the economy falls into recession again, B. the growing populations in Africa and poorer countries quadruple, and they start demanding their share of the world, and the whole system fucking collapses on itself, dragging down the first and second worlds with them.

>>77070635
fuck you, the last thing we need on this shithole planet are mega-corporations fucking everyone over. The world is already more cyberpunk than it needs to be.

>>77070882
Capitalism is a trading system, not a social system, dumbass.

>>77070882
Right, except you aren't a peasant, you're one of the richest people in the world and live a life your grandparents would have considered extraordinary luxury

>>77070895
Wait you're the NEET from a few days who was talking about how working is terrible, right? Kek grow up retard

Why are first worlders so fucking ignorant about capitalism?
Sheltered fatsos with no education that have everything but whine because they are still expected to work to eventually leave their parents' house.

I would love nothing more than see you pampered brats dealing with socialism.

>>77070926
the same "progress" can be done in any other system tho, its a fact

>>77071004
It's a hypothesis at best, with very little evidence to support it

>>77071004
It would be fact if the other systems had produced development, which they haven't, because without privatization and free market there is no competition and without competition there is no driving force to evolve.

>>77070895
No. Corporatism is not for businesses. Corporatism is for corporate groups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_group_(sociology)

>>77070985
You can be in the global top third without ever working a single day in a First World country, just from neetbux.

>>77071027
>muh competition

monkey knowledge

>>77071022
china is barely capitalist

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Capitalism is better the communism and socialism. Period.

>>77071055
slavnigger argument

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>>77071055
>china is barely capitalist

>>77071055
You have absolutely no other evidence of anything ever working otherwise. Without competition there's been technological stagnation every single time. Pick a fucking book up, Jesus.
You think ideas can be applied just cause they sound easy and great on your dumb fucking mongoloid head.

>>77069729
shitty things existed before capitalism tho

>>77071099
yeah, its impossible to use competition outside of capitalist system

oh wait hitler used it in his army/tech that was 100% socialist

Sorry if the countries that matter don't take your poorfag economic advice lol

>>77071157
Nazi Germany had a freer economy than say Franco's Spain

>>77071157
Guess what, retard, army technology suits the state agenda. What is used for civilian entertainment doesn't.
That's why socialist system doesn't have art and entertainment, only propaganda.
Because there is no market to produce what sells, only a state council that will only produce what has return for the state.

>>77071055
China isn't exactly the model of neoliberal orthodoxy but it's an economy dominated by private firms where investment decisions are made by investors. Capitalism. How the existence of low-productivity SOEs lumbering alongside the miraculous growth in the private sector is supposed to prove socialism is viable, I don't know

>>77071157
Private corporations fulfilling government contracts they entered into voluntarily is communism now guys. Weird, because usually when governments decide do this the commies call it privatization

>literally even animals will engage in capitalism
>some loser on 4chan says capitalism doesn't work

>>77071203
>Guess what, retard, army technology suits the state agenda.

wrong, equipment used by average joe for his needs

>>77071203
meh
I would be good without those fucking video games and shit tv shows and hollywood movies that are fucking shit

>>77071267
>>77071203
also 90% of healthy brazilians rely on hanging out with friends and family in parties for entertainment
enjoy your 3d waifu oculus crap

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>>77069729
Now this is b8 posting

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>>77071307
>tfw just creampied my waifu in VR

>>77069729
Well, let's invent a better system.
We need:
Centralized one (because there are a lot of people nowadays and you can get even proper treatment without it)
encourages smart and active people (because everyone gets lazy without encouragement or proper goal)
non stagnant (because nobody wants die from cancer or aids, use better cars or electronic devices)
Diverse in terms of science (we don't need one super goal because it destroys all other fields)
That's basically it.

>>77071336
that bellybutton is misplaced read some fucking loomis

>>77070953
If you're happy being exploited for pennies, just so you can make fat, rich bastards even richer by all means.

>>77071099
There's no real competition in capitalism though. Everything is under copyright protection, that stifles innovation. Plus there are cartels everywhere, and big corporations simply buying out anyone who poses even the slightest risk to their business, or has a new idea that could change the status quo.

>>77071231
>wanting to behave like actual monkeys
>appealing to nature fallacy

Something something Brazilians.

>>77071307
You don't seem to get how far entertainment and art goes into your fucking head every single second of the day.
There would be no society without it. Experiments show that humans will choose to press a button and receive an electrical shock, willingly, rather than stay bored for 10 minutes in an empty room.

>>77069729
Please do propose a better alternative

>>77071404
Why do commies LARP as medieval peasants so much? You have a computer, a house, more than enough food, and tons of free time. You are one of the richest people who ever lived

>>77071360
Basically what most western countries will have to become in the next decades is welfare states where most of the work is done by robots, the majority are unemployed and get reasonable pensions, and the only ones who work are either foreigners getting paid peanuts or particularly ambitious people looking to rise above the rest.

>>77071404
>exploited for pennies
But I'm making good money and I am becoming the fat rich bastard...

>>77071408
retarded monkey

>>77071408
nigga I'm pretty sure 1000 years ago no one was banging their hands on the wall because they didn't have an image board, tinder, snapchat, whatsapp and youtube to fill their heads full of crap 24/7

get a hobby, hang out with people and read a book you macaco

>>77071451
I know about that and the question is still here

>>77071404
>>77071460
>Being racist

Somehow this discredits your argument and makes you look immature, tbqh.

>>77071404
>There's no real competition in capitalism though. Everything is under copyright protection, that stifles innovation. Plus there are cartels everywhere, and big corporations simply buying out anyone who poses even the slightest risk to their business, or has a new idea that could change the status quo.

You're describing state intervention in economics, something supported by the typical republic of representative power system we live in. That's not capitalism.

All capitalism is is a trade system with no principles or morals, it's not an ideology, where goods are exchanged with consent. It cannot be enforced through violence and has no agenda.

>>77071451
Would be awesome but I doubt it will happen. They can't even get the automatic cash registers to work right; it's a productivity gain that increased the value of labor rather than replacing it, just like all the other capital that's ever been deployed. Human wants are infinite and they'll always find something that's worth hiring someone to do

>>77071481
>read a book

How fucking retarded are you?

>>77071490
Ironically I'm germanic and Russians are mostly arabic or mongoloid.

>>77071495
>It cannot be enforced through violence and has no agenda.

oh yeah sure
only when you invade the fucking middle east, manipulate the media and install dictatorships in other countries

>>77071514
books aren't technological
people were writing fiction for free before the greeks you dumbass motherfucker dumbshit pseudointelectual nigger

>>77071404
Isn't copyright protection actually rather uncapitalist?

>>77071507
hiring should be illegal, its simple

exploitation is illegal

if you can't abuse animals why the fuck you can abuse humans? lmao

>>77071487
I think it answers the main question of stagnation and development. There will still be incentive for people to develop, while most people won't have to live as slaves.

>>77071507
The reality is that more and more occupations are being overtaken by machines who can do the job much better and for less cost. My point is not ceasing work altogether but allowing the majority who won't be able to get work to live respectfully.

>>77071567
Only if you take a dumbass, ahistorical view of what capitalism is. Governments create and enforce rights to both physical and intellectual property and channel incentives to the good of all

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>>77071577
>I want to hire you to do a job for me
>You agree

>This should be illegal because it's exploitation
Literally picture related

>>77071598
>Governments create and enforce rights to both physical and intellectual property and channel incentives to the good of all
except china

>>77071594
Right but is that actually happening? People have been predicting permanent technological unemployment for a long time but right now worldwide market employment rates have never been higher

>>77071594
We are talking about today. Maybe there would be an absolute paradise in the future where we will drink water with metadone and exist in constant state of euphoria. What's the point o bother with some technology if it's not even wide spread yet

>>77071609
if I have no choice because you made an agreement with other people that offer jobs and you are a rich motherfucker while I live in a mudhut and education is expensive yes it is exploitation you fucking shitstained leaf
companies aren't nature

>>77071548
Fuck, you're dumb, mate.

Fiction is entertainment, you moronic asshole. Books, drawings, paintings, any kind of art, smartphones, music, clothing that display some kind of unnecessary style. Anything that's made to please aesthetic desires and not to just be 100% effective is entertainment, not just blockbuster hollywood movies and animu.
Even if you're giving something for free it's still capitalism because you produced it and you are willingly giving away and only those who want it will take it. Socialism is either prohibiting someone to distribute something for free or force EVERYONE to get something that they are distributing.

And the description of USA acting in foreign affairs, which only fucking strengthens what I've said about republics of representative powers acting in interest of the state, not of the market.

You have got to be the dumbest motherfucker alive.

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>it's episode #42423493252 of lefties try to criticize capitalism but end up proving their ignorance on the matter
Your "criticism" is not deep, it's not well thought out and it's utterly unoriginal. It is blindingly obvious that you've never read or listened to anything meaningful on the topic.

Stop taking what Zizek and Chomsky say as gospel and actually listen to both sides of the argument, while trying to stay critical and objective. Listen, watch and read about as many perspectives as you can. This is not a binary X vs Y situation. You need a nuanced base to stand on or you WILL end up making a fool of yourself, like you did in this thread.

>>77071630
Worldwide yeah, but in western countries unemployment is only increasing.

>>77071654
It's the very near future.

>>77071609
>>This should be illegal because it's exploitation

yes it should be, unless you're doing some important job

actually basic income fixes that because nobody will "work for food" anymore

>>77071660
>Even if you're giving something for free it's still capitalism

No it's not. The entire point of Capitalism is to gain capital.

>>77071660
>Even if you're giving something for free it's still capitalism because you produced it and you are willingly giving away and only those who want it will take it.

shut the fuck up you piece of shit
capitalism only existed for a couple of centuries and people were still producing art and shit before that and calling capitalism is anachronism but surely you wouldn't know that because you have no education

>And the description of USA acting in foreign affairs, which only fucking strengthens what I've said about republics of representative powers acting in interest of the state, not of the market.

except people with the most money can manipulate the goverment and the media to brain wash idiots like you into buying shit

>we should just have no goverment and let the market dictate our lives

go fuck yourself dumbass motherfucker

stalin and hitler were completely right
people like you should be genocided

>>77071707
Then how will anything get done. What the actual fuck?

>>77071692
It's not though; we're on an upswing. Only like 2% more people aren't employed compared to the all time high in the US, Germany is at its highest employment rate ever, only shitholes like Greece and Italy are doing poorly and I doubt the singularity would take hold in those places before the richest countries. We should see rapidly rising productivity if hyper-advanced AIs are making humans obsolete but we just don't, it's not happening

>>77071714
No, it's not to gain capital, it's to exchange capital.
Capital means anything you desire for your exchange.
If you're giving something for free you're getting your own personal satisfaction and you'll only do it if you can afford doing it.

>>77071761
The US is literally booming right now economically

>>77071737
i said important jobs are exception, and ironically people love to work and being useful

they don't like to be exploited by random capitalistcuck tho

they will also get extra monies so its """""""""""""""""""""""""""""rational"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>77071766
That's a really loose definition of capital. In any case giving something for free isn't capitalism because it was done way before capitalism was even thought of.

>>77070882
>comparing labor instruments and basic clothing to modern luxuries

>>77071736
This is legit hilarious. Please go on.
Your're probably under 18 too, ain't you.

>>77071808
Capitalism wasn't "thought of". Cavemen were doing it 400 thousand years ago.

>>77071775
Eh. Medicore productivity growth, employment rates high-ish finally but still growing too slowly. We're still below full employment and have been for a long time. Both elected part of the government and the Fed keep being worrywarts and putting on the brakes instead of risking a year of 3.5% inflation, it's terrible. We need based Greenspan to come back and save us from deflationism and austerity

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>He whines about capitalism instead of just accepting the system as it is and adapting to get ahead in it
>He STILL rather cry than do what he needs to get ahead and make it

Ah yes. Here we see the perpetual poorcuck in his natural habitat. Whining all day while munching on mother's chicken tenders.

>>77071906
socialism and capitalism is as good as its going to get. Anything else is just retarded armchair theories

>>77071906
capitalistcuck's last argument

"this system is great for everyone because i have money"

>>77071861
You're talking about free trade. Capitalism is an entirely modern concept based on free trade, but really not the same.

>>77071906
t. sociopath

Why do commies act like it's illegal to start a business if you don't want to be a wagecuck? It's not and they know it. They just know that it's really fucking hard to create a business that brings available capital to its highest and best use, but also think the few people who are able to do it shouldn't be compensated in any way

>>77071956
So you think trading silver and gold for goods isn't capitalism?

>>77071953
Poorcuck's final argument: im going to cry and cry instead of becoming successful

Lol. No one cares about your opinion you retarded poorfag. Life is unfair and the slower you adapt and realize your complaints fall on deaf ears the better for you. Why are you calling me a cuck when I am the BULL?

>>77071977
t. Little crybaby who thinks if he complains enough everything will change

>>77072010
They don't want to work so they convince themselves anyone that does is being oppressed.
At the same time they want the luxuries that someone that works can afford, but for free, something that can never and will never happen under socialism, because resources will always be finite.

>>77072022
>URSS was capitalist because they traded oil
trading shit isn't capitalism you cock gobbler uneducated monkey

>>77072041
The worse for you I mean

>>77072022
Unless we're talking about gold and silver borrowed from a financial institution that pools savings to fund investment into enterprises the employ wage labor, no, it's not

>>77069729
capitalism is just another name for selfishness. Yes, it's cancer.

>>77072022
Yes. It might function as part of capitalism but it isn't IT. Try reading about modern economics instead of equating them with simple concepts.

>>77072041
>dude just stop being poor lmao

>>77072111
Yes it's called working hard

>people being allowed to own private property and buy and sell things is the cancer of humanity.

Damn DNA, replicating in bacteria and viruses. DNA is the cancer of humanity!

>>77072093
They are simple concepts, everything else is humans projecting human aspects on it.

>>77072073
A central bank is a marxist concept.

>>77069748
>i dont know the difference between private and personal property

>>77072137
>They are simple concepts

That's what you think because you haven't actually studied capitalism and the meaning of it.

>>77072119
Saying that it is evil to buy private property is the biggest red flag that an ideology is fucking retarded

>>77072163
>yfw there isn't much difference.

Saddest thing in all this is that the russian sleazy fuck either had his family dying because of socialism or being members of the party and exploiting the workers until they had to eat themselves.

And the brazilian monkey lives in one of the worst countries on earth because of deep socialist influence imbued in it's government.

When will they learn.

>>77072157
Today I learned from a retarded favela monkey on a Sundanese lithography image board that Milton Friedman was a communist

>>77072170
I read economics, not philosophy of capitalism, sorry.

>>77072223
Fucking Reddit isn't even hiding the fact that hes from Reddit.

>capitalism
>socialism
not a hybrid of both in 2017 LMOAAAAAAAAAAAA

I don't necessary agree but sometimes I do with state programs here were as good as Europe's

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>Man has learned almost nothing even when confronted with the impending end of the world. The majority of people continue to make their daily choices on the basis of what they desire and what pleases them. The deep ecologist never confuses human preferences or distastes, whether his own or those of others, with what needs to be done. He will formulate his judgments a establish his guidelines on the basis of what is feasible without diminishing the possible richness of the biosphere or endangering its continuity. Democracy, by contrast caters to the whims of man: the will of the people. The consequences of this are frightening: what democracy leads to is the kind of suicidal society that we see all around us. Democracy is the most miserable of all known societal systems, the building block of doom. Under such a of government unmanageable freedom of production and consumption and the passions of the people are not only tolerated, but cherished as the highest values. The most serious environmental disasters occur in democracies. Any kind of dictatorship is superior to democracy, for a system where the individual is always bound one way or another leads to utter destruction more slowly. When individual freedom reigns, humanity is both the killer and the victim.

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>One chance at life
>Born in 3rd world ex-ussr shithole
>Parents worked hard to actually immigrate to Canada
>They work hard here to go from literal poorfags to decent lifestyle
>Workethic rubbed off on me, now I'm becoming successful to continue their legacy
>Constantly driven by seeing what they were able to do starting from nothing

>Meanwhile their friends back home still cry and complain about how life is unfair
>Meanwhile Canadians who have been here for like 5 generations work minimum wage or are just poor retards in general

Damn it feels good to be a nigga. Keep crying about capitalism LOL

>>77072223
Never read the communist manifesto, of course.
A central bank is literally a plank of socialism. Part 2, section 18.
Friedman has zero relation to a central bank. I have no idea why you would even mention him.

Showing that worldwide famous american education.

>>77072315
>Meanwhile Canadians who have been here for like 5 generations work minimum wage or are just poor retards in general
this is the reason I can't into nationalism

all of the white trash who used to make my life a nightware in high school is now wasting their life away doing worthless menial jobs and unironically complaining about """""the system""""". Meanwhile, I actually worked hard, became a mechanical engineer, and unsurprisingly, both my uni and my current workplace are mostly East Asians and South Asians who actually have a decent work ethic for a change.

My experience has made me go from being a nationalist to being a classist. I now despise poor people and wish I could come up with elaborate ways to make them suffer more than they currently do.

>>77072315
thats like a typical story of capitalism-defending poorfag tho

"capitalism gave us food lmao"

>>77072315
>Meanwhile Canadians who have been here for like 5 generations work minimum wage or are just poor retards in general
Same with Moscow. Locals are just slow autists who literally live in their fantasies about muh native Moscovite while we're getting the best positions in this city.

>>77070242
>Building hideous blocks of gray and brown cubes and calling them "skyscrapers" as if they fool anyone. They just wanted to cram more people together like tuna for profit. Capitalism created so much garbage, they're now the size of large islands that swim in the ocean. There's constant surveillance, police states and rampant corruption. And the worst: endless lies, flowing from the media.
this, capitalism is just communism for people who don't like communism

>>77072329
A central bank is not a literal state-owned bank that tries to make money by investing in houses or businesses, it's a government agency in charge of regulating the money supply. Friedman argued that their monetary policy choices are the cause of the business cycle and explain why there was an observed tradeoff between high employment and low inflation in macroeconomic data better than Keynesian theories

>>77072378
Agreed senpai. Elitism is a better ideology than meme tier nationalism.

>>77072382
But I'm not a poorfag, what do you mean? I live in a rich as fuck neighborhood and our household income is probably like top 2% globally, starting from literally living in a country with an African GDP.

>>77072452
And he was against it and has said that even if central banks could have independence they would maintain it so far as no conflict with the government ever arose.
How would he be a communist, I simply don't get your previous post.

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>>77072378
>non-white
>says whites are the ones who complain about the system
top fucking kek paki

>>77072477
yesterday's poorfag is still poorfag
well your income is hardly important, you just impressed by simple things like food or your bank account

you're abviously too stupid to understand anything else

>>77072290
Democracy is not the same as capitalism. But I agree that there are problems inherent to democracy. There are problems inherent to all systems. Maybe one day (possibly soon, though it will be unfortunate when it happens) the time will come to overthrow democracy as we know it. I'm optimistic that we can find a way to incorporate democracy into a better long term planning system. The English had pieces of democracy for hundreds of years and their society functioned in a way that gave the people long term prosperity.

>>77072576
Well what are you smart in? What are your passions in life? - let's see who's better.

>>77072530
He entertained the (wrong) idea that the central banker's task was really simple and you could let an algorithm do it, but he didn't think it didn't need to be done. Victorian England had a central bank there's nothing Marxist about it you retarded monkey

>>77072615
Drinking lotion from vending machines.

>>77072564
Kind of true though. Communists and trannies are almost exclusively white in Canada, meanwhile Ranjeet, Ivanoslav and Lee Kim are quietly working away and becoming successful.

>>77069729
>world as a whole is struggling to make food
>groups a finds out a system to make an excess of food
>group b doesn't
Wow must be group a that is the problem. Down with group a. Making more food and shit.

>>77072624
I've said it's a literal plank of marxism, and it is, to confront the notion that a central bank equals capitalism, you retard. You're either confronting that Marx never set central banking as the norm for socialism, or you have no point whatsoever and is just wasting post count.

>>77071567
Capitalism only ever works well when there's enough government intervention to keep it rolling. The whole "capitalism is necessary for progress" is actually kept alive by the state which has anti-trust laws, copyright, patents, trademark, etc. Basically capitalism turns into a shitshow where the biggest companies rule over the market without some rational laws. The issues with capitalism usually stem from irrational laws that corrupt politicians are paid to enact, doing shit like sending jobs overseas or stifling innovation such as letting companies like monsanto have virtually all rights to plant genetic research.

It's not just 'capitalism' that incentivizes progress, it's actually these protections. Otherwise companies could just sell us overpriced trash because they got so big they are able to hold a monopoly over their respective markets. Some of these laws are retarded though, like the mickey mouse copyright laws where the time for the disney IP to enter the public domain keeps getting pushed back by the government.

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>>77072634
>niggers have a literal niggers only school in Toronto
>Muslims bitch about everything being islamophobic
>Montreal and Toronto have ghettos filled with non-whites
>anytime someone doesn't pay lip service to non-whites or featherheads they autistically screech about racism
k

>>77072695
You are just not understanding the issue in question. Marx wanted to nationalize Citibank, he wasn't talking about the Federal Reserve. They are different kinds of institutions

>>77072633
And complaining on anonymous imageforums

>>77072711
have you ever been to a university? The STEM students mostly have immigrant backgrounds and the liberal arts are almost 100% white. Guess which one is more hardworking and who will get paid more.

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I pray that there a coup and a socialist insurrection in every apologist country that posted in this thread.

Nothing cures socialist retardation on youth than actual socialism.

Just know that I am very disappointed in all of you praising that cancer. Something that has been refuted in the 50's.

>>77072827
Our secret agency literally exists to kill socialist leaders in the third world lmao. Capitalism is KING

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>>77072800
You mean the wealthy foreign students who couldn't make it in their own countries Universities? Or the canadian pajeets and flips taking business degrees? Guess which one will be paid more.

Hint: they had rich parents to start with

>>77072576
>>77072615
>No reply
What a faggot lmao

>>77072964
>acting like you won a fight online
Clearly you

>>77072964
no one want to talk with the butthurt leaf

its counter-productive even for shitposter such as myself

>>77072800
Right, because their parents or grandparenst were actually worried about not being middle class (if they were to begin with), so they work hard to take the most renumerative degree they can. Western commies pretend to think the median wage in the country is pennies a day unless you're part of the super-elite but know that they'll be fine economically no matter what happens, and their decision to study art or history or whatever reflects that

>>77072914
>You mean the wealthy foreign students who couldn't make it in their own countries Universities?
No I mean the immigrants who live here in Canada. You don't have to be rich to get into university here, you just have to be hard working. Yes business also has a high proportion of students with immigrant backgrounds.Basically all of the useful fields of studies do. The ones that don't are liberal arts which are almost completely white.

>>77073041
>I'll just ignore the second half of your post
Whatever makes you feel superior ranjeet

>>77073013
Because you have nothing to say. Your posts don't make even make any sense. What hobbies do you have? I bet I have not only more money than you but I also look better, have more interesting hobbies and have a prettier girlfriend than you.

>>77073035
This is completely my point.

>>77073075
Your entire post is inane, we're talking about immigrants and non-immigrants work ethic in Canada and you start talking about saudi princes. You are comparing the immigrants to the saudi princes when we're comparing non-immigrants to immigrants.

You have not argued against anything, you just run away from the fact that all those trannies and commies are white pigus.

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>>77073230
So those blacks screaming at the pride parade aren't immigrants or their descendants?

>>77073298
The blacks are an outlier. Unlike other non-white racial groups their parents usually didn't work hard either cause they were complacent with living in poverty, but this doesn't go against the fact that students from middle class white families are lazy too.

look up some stats man
http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-012-x/99-012-x2011001-eng.cfm
>In 2011, immigrant adults aged 25 to 64 represented just under one-quarter (24.6%) of Canada's adult populationFootnote 12 but over one-third (34.3%) of adults with a university degree. About half (50.9%) of all STEM degrees were held by immigrant adults, including those who have lived in Canada for many years, as well as newcomers to Canada.

>Within STEM, immigrants accounted for 59.3% of 'engineering'Footnote 11 degrees, 55.7% of 'mathematics and computer sciences' degrees and 39.0% of 'science and technology' degrees.

that seems significant to me

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>>77073298
>Look at BLM event
>It's literally all White people besides the main negroid speakers

>Look up communist party meetings in Canada
>They're all White

>Look up feminists in Canada
>Almost all White

>Look at antifa
>They're all White

>Look at gay pride parade
>Almost all White

>Look at drug addict homeless faggots
>They are generally white


:thinking:

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>>77073468
>Pajeets love getting get CS and Eng. degrees
>an immigration system literally designed to bring in people with degrees brings in people with degrees
Wow, such shocking data.

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>>77073548
>look at criminals in Canada
kek

>>77073548
>>77073468
So all of this is because one of you think minorities are vitimizing cry babies and the other argues it's actually mostly post-modern whites speaking on their behalf and complaining for them, while they just mainly work and keep their heads down?

>>77073588
See >>77073586
Tell me if you notice a pattern

>>77073586
>Niggers are trash
What else is new?

Also that is naturally biased towards showing immigrants as criminals because most of those people left the country already - IE, they had double citizenship and fled.

>>77073655
>niggers
There are Pakis, Poo in loos, asians, Arabs in that picture and only two white people, muh superior immigrants.

>>77072211
>yfw there actually is

>>77073644
Look, buddy, criminal elements everywhere will be people of colors, because after slavery was abolished they were left to their own devices and driven to slums. Sure it's easy to convince ourselves that they are animals, but we really need to wait a few decades where there's no marginalization effects on people of color. If they keep being criminal rapists, then we confirm they are animals and we can start a cleansing, otherwise we confirm they are just like us if given the same opportunities.

The matter is if minorities are really the ones complaining all the time about the whites. For the blacks it's a higher percentage, but still the majority of people crying about discrimination and demanding revolutions, recompensation and deconstruction of white privilege are actually middle to higher class white people, who suffer constant indoctrination from the left that owns the media and academia, so they become convinced that they need to speak for the poor minorities. They themselves are very racist, they think other races need a white knight like themselves "Don't worry, I'm white and I can save you, my little oppressed refugees", all so they can signal virtue.

Most of the people of color will actually stay out of politics and post-modernism, though the numbers will grow because leftits are just too goddamn loud.

>>77072163
Private property produces personal property.

>>77073783
Is this a pasta? Half those people aren't even black.

>>77073825
Hence "person of color", "minority" etc,

>>77073588
Unironically the ultimate enemy of White people is other White people. This is and always has been the final redpill.

>>77073876
>because after slavery was abolished they were left to their own devices and driven to slums.
I don't remember Somalians or East Indians being slaves yet they take up a large portion of the image....

ghuys guys

Guys hear me out

What if

What if we borrowed elements from both capitalism AND socialism

>>77074005
That sounds reasonable.

>>77073956
Well, obviously I didn't address refugees and immigrants because they are already outsider and will never leave that context. They aren't treated the same and I think you know that.

>>77074005
Socialism has nothing good to offer.

>>77074005
Why would we do that? Victorian England had the Poor Law, contemporary capitalist states have massive social welfare systems, we can and do take care of the poor without wasting money on state-owned companies or crushing private enterprise.

>>77069729
Thanks anon. This thread definitely made my day.
Have a nice day, stay safe, wish you a good luck.

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>>77070242
Ah boonga. Before the fire revolution people didn't create, invent, make art nor improved on their lives.

What has fire achieved in the pas century, huh? I mean besides almost making caves too hot for human habitation. Building hideous piles of gray and brown sticks and calling "fire wood" as if they fool anyone. Evil fire spirits wanted to cram more people together like tuna. Fire created so much smoke, they're now the size of large sexy goddesses that dance in sky. There's constant light, heat and rampant cooked food. And the worst: endless lies, flowing from chief Ooga. A handful or fat bastards cook everything, while the rest have to collect fire wood. The whole fire is designed to siphon wood in to more fire. More more more, burn this shit, and that, you need it, trust us. When is it enough?! The answer is never. Because fire is evil spirits personified, manifested into reality. It's soulless, hot, and it can never be satisfied with wood. It's spreading like wildfire, and as such it must be dealt with the same way. It must be put out.

Communism is just Russian Imperialism!

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huehues licking american ass in threads like these are vomit inducing, grow some self respect you stupid animals

you have everything to become a rich and flourishing country but you rather eat bananas all day long and sell your asses to americans

>>77078623
>being against socialism is licking america's ass

Have you went to a special school to become this retarded?

>>77069729
it's shit but that's some retarded ideologue stuff you got going mate. It's not the root of all issues and things won't magically be fixed if you do away with it.

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>>77071055
>china is barely capitalist

>>77071548
>books aren't technological
YOU
FUCKING
IDIOT

>people were writing fiction for free before the greeks you dumbass motherfucker dumbshit pseudointelectual nigger
YOU
FUCKING
IDIOT
BOOK
PUBLICATION
DIDN'T
BECOME
ACCESSIBLE
TILL
LONG
AFTER
THE
INDUSTRIAL
AGE

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>>77078869
He's right.

Time to repost "Life under communism":

*You have no freedom or right to control your own destiny. The state tells you where you can live and what jobs you can have.
*Consumer goods are poor quality and in short supply--it can take months to purchase a bicycle, TV set, or coffee table.
*Jobs are mostly assigned based on your status as a member of the proletarian class such as "worker" or "peasant", or because you have connections to some party bigshot, and you could be denied a job if a member of your family did something politically unacceptable.
*If you complain about anything, you go to jail or a labor camp.
*Religion is either banned or strictly controlled by the state.
*You need permission to travel outside the country.
*Food is poor quality and limited in supply--markets often only have a few items on sale. People literally get sick and experience malnutrition from the shitty diet.
*There are no free elections and government officials do not have to answer to the public.
*All media, art, and entertainment must conform to the state agenda--this includes glorifying the party or the leader and schlocky propaganda art of muscled factory workers while demonizing whatever ideologies/people/countries the party wants demonized.
*The print and electronic media only report whatever news the state wants you to hear while not mentioning what they don't want you to know.
*There is no independent judiciary and you do not have a right to a fair trial or legal representation.
*Hotels and apartments are bugged, so be careful what you say.
*Some cities are "closed" meaning you cannot visit them without official permission.

capitalism has become a piece of shit

it ceases if people stop buying stuff or from big companies. i personally dont buy such stuff anymore just because i feel like shits become lame and old especially american brands like nike and those all trash which ameriboo 3rd world/immigrant thug scum has started wearing, and choose DIY stuff or each countrys domestic one.

>>77069729
Communism - Socialism are slavery. The only people who unironically support these ideologies are edgy college students and high schoolers (aka 99% of 4chan).

Capitalism is not without its faults (especially the welfare state capitalism we have today) but it's far better than any alternative we know of.

>>77079217
Most of the made in capitalism doesn't come from industry consumer products, but from financial markets like stocks, derivatives, hedge funds...etc....

>>77071027
Competition will exist in any system at least on a symbolic level.

There is no need for limitless accumulation of property to have an inventive driving force.

Capitalism efficiently produces what society wants. Society wants garbage, garbage will be produced. People forget how much culture impacts this stuff.

>>77071203
>That's why socialist system doesn't have art and entertainment, only propaganda.

Now that is propaganda

>>77079508
Not under socialism.
We can all complain about capitalism, but the moment someone proposes that socialism is the answer then he's a dumb asshole.

>>77079540
I don't think you know what propaganda is.

>>77079403
i know but its a fundamental factor to kill capitalism. if people stop buying stuff capitalism ends.

there is literally no legitimate reason for starvation in the modern world
>be poor
>have kids
this is why most of the world is shit. If poorfags didn't have kids then there would be none of these problems

>>77079711
theres enough food for everyone, the amount of food thrown out without anyone ever touching it is revolting

>>77071079
Territory wise yes, you have commie zones and cappie zones

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>>77079757
>lets send months old bread to africa
You know if all those kids that die at 5 in Africa made it to adulthood they would just have a shitload of kids until Africa runs out of food again. The problem is culture not capitalism
The government can't and shouldn't have to work around everyone's retarded mistakes.

In the developed world all you need to do is
1. finish highschool
2. don't have kids out of wedlock
3. get a job
anyone that cant follow this is retarded

>>77079964
the problem is religion and not having anything better to do other than fucking

months old bread, yea, you can call anyone retarded, stupid nigger

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>>77080007
>Lets just send unproductive uneducated people free food forever and watch their population keep rising
Why do people that make bad decisions deserve the same as people that make good decisions?

>>77080007
>feeding the masses of africa
Big mistake, they'll breed like rabbits then, kind of like theyre doing now.
Let the niggers starv to death, feeding them will only make their populations larger and more dependent on the west.

>>77079964
>fertility rate same as europe
w-wheeew

Marxism was already outdated by the 1920s.

>>77080007
Capitalism isn't perfect but its the best system
There is never going to be some utopia world where everyone is happy
Living without conflict and completion makes people weak and civilizations die.
Life is already too good in first world countries and shit like this happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM&
your socialist dream will lead to japan x1000
Life is inherently unfair and the world will never be perfect.

>>77080410
It is a temporary system at best. I don't think capitalism will survive automatization unsupplemented by socialism. Then again the vast majority of developped nations ARE already mixed economies anyway but UBI will be much more drastic and make socialist elements more prominent than capitalist elements
If only Marx said that capitalism supplies less and less job creation over time, then he would have been right.

>>77080410
t. never been a battlefield

you will pay sharters, you will pay

>>77081027
>t. never been a battlefield
same can be said about you, fag

>>77081027
Have you?

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>>77080266
tappa vikt
skaffa fv

>shittiest parts of the world don't have capitalism
>this is capitalism's fault