Why can't the U.S. and Russia have good relations without

It's only RT drones who actually think American policy planners want good relations with Russia, thankfully they aren't that stupid

I don't know.. maybe because we don't want to be your little war playground getting nuked all the time?

>>77020834
Americans aren't willing to have "good relations" with Putin's Russia.

Probably because russia wants to invade all of europe and america is you know supposed to be NATOs ally or whatever

>>77020913
This
our doctrine should be "Shot americans if they're going to do something" instead of "w-we're sorry that assad used chemicals pls don't shoot"

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>international relations
Top jej
Both countries are controlled by wealthy bankers and oligarchs. Presidents only exist to fool the population.

>>77020998

Europe is pretty good at making its own war without outside help.

See: 20th century.

>>77021028
The people have been for many years, our corrupt jewish government is not

>>77020834
Because the USA always tries to undermine Russia.

>>77020834
This comic really could have benefited from more labels

all 3 of them are blonde and blue eyed

>a libertarian praising putin
how does ben garrison not constitute a hypocrite?

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>>77021339
WOW RILI MADE ME FINK

>allying with commies

I dont think so

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>>77021344
he's not libertarian he's riddet trash bin tier attentionwhore who draws everything what's popular

>>77021443
>USA today is more communistic than Russia
Really makes you think.

>>77021496

you wut

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>>77021216

>Americans scream and yell about russia being evil for 60 years and huge fearmongering
>flipflop due homoerotic fantasies about being dominated by your enemy
>"come on guys Russia were always cool"

>>77020834
cringy

>>77020834
Idk, but Europeans always have, and always will be our biggest enemies

only eastern europeans and americans have a problem with russia

>>77021344
If you haven't figured out that majority of right-libertarians are closet fascist I really don't know what to tell you.

>>77021306
underrated

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>America pends the last 50+ years openly fighting communism
>Soviet Union falls because communism is shit while America prospers
>America manages to beat Russia in the space race and put a goddamned man on the moon
>We've proven ourselves to be better than Russia in every single way that matters
>Now we're suddenly expected to bend over and take it from them because an orange billionaire can't stop sucking Putin's dick

Yeah, nah. Come back when Russia actually manages a successful lunar landing.

>>77021061
Ending the Cold War was a mistake

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>>77030447
>America manages to beat Russia in the space race
>things that never happened

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>>77030783
I can't hear you, Vlad, there's no sound on the moon.

>>77030946
lol

>>77020834
Where are all the labels on the picture? I don't understand without them

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>>77030946
cool
Have you seen first in history moon rover already? It's made in USSR. P.cool huh?

>>77021037
but Europe isn't afraid of a Russian invasion :^)
50% of Russia's trade is with Europe :^)
Invading Europe would destroy Russia's economy :^)

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>>77031065
That does look kind of cool, I'll admit.

Here's an image I think you'll enjoy even more, though.

A good relationship will never exist between Russia and the US because Russia lacks key demographics and resources that make it attractive to US investment, both financial and strategic. The 20-40 demographic in Russia is basically aging out of consumption without any real way of replacing itself, which means there's no market for US consumer goods. Russia also doesn't have any resources that the US can't acquire more cheaply and safely at home or close to it (from Canada and/or Mexico).

Trump's strange obsession with Putin is the only reason that such a relationship can even be discussed - it's not firmly rooted in reality.

>>77031130
there's no wind on moon how flag can wave?

>>77021455
what a time to be alive

>>77020834

Things were kind of alright until the ukraine-crimea chimpout, the Murica told Yurop that Russia is evil, sanctions needed be imposed, memes be released and etc.

Yurop went full retard for the nth time and once again trusted Murica.

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>>77021306

>>77031469
It doesn't.
You just pull at it a little bit, and it looks like it's waving when you take a picture. That's why there's a pole on the top keeping the flag stiff.

On Earth, such a fabric should be much stiffer.

>>77031469
Momentum. The movement of energy for placing and handling the flag.

>>77031130
>money and time was wasted to put clown pants on a floating space rock

>>77031674
>>77031699
Well anyway USSR was first on moon
USA BTFO

Because Russia wants to dominate Europe and has no good intentions for it, and Europeans are our allies.

It's like befriending someone who has wanted nothing more than to kill your friend or make them their plaything.

>>77031603
He doesnt have right to invade others territory.
Letting him go would set dangerous precedent

Russia is not that much of threat to Europe that doesnt border her, but letting him take parts of Ukraine with Russhian majority could make him ballsy enough to start wrecking shit up in Baltic states

>>77032075
>right to invade others territory
this doesn't exist at any period of time

>>77020834
Is Garrison legit retarded or merely pretending for benefit of his audience?

>>77031130
First man in space > first man on the moon

>>77032315
good ol' "freedom fighters" wanting to join "motherland" which sends them "humanitarian help" trick.
Not at all similar to 90s Yugoslavia, he even went step further and outright annexed Crimea

>>77020834
Glomald Slumpf just did a speech in Poland where he demanded that Russia withdraw from Ukraine and Syria

You're an absolute retard

>>77032638
And then he went to discuss with putin possibility of making a joint cyber security team. The absolute madman.

Maybe he could build a joint missile defense shield, that would've been actually impressive.

>>77021186
see: last few thousands years

>>77032143

Fair enough. But Murica is being two-faced with those same Baltic and Eastern European states: one day is telling them luv ya, we're ur best friend, the next day is cuddling with Putin. And Yurop is caught in between, manipulated.

Would you be surprised if Murica throws them to the wolves next day? Look at their propaganda.

I certainly wouldn't in the least.

>>77033372
Its just Trump, he is clearly inexperienced statesman and man who loves lying.
In the end I doubt that he has as much control and is stupid enough to sacrifice Americas main ally for 2nd class power that Russia is nowadays

>>77033592
Abandoning the Baltics isn't really as far-fetched as it sounds. In fact, abandoning much of central Europe up to and including Germany isn't that far-fetched. The entire region is hopelessly dependent on Russian energy and has no chance of getting off of it anytime soon.

What is the US to do when Russia decides to turn off the lights? These states have no alternative energy policy in place already so even if the American military can deflect the Eternal Ivan, what then?

Europe, in general, has to face some harsh geopolitical realities very soon or doom themselves to a return to the pre-1945 status quo (read: eternal war on the continent)

>>77020913
Trump may want to but they aren't going to let him.

He's already going back on things that he promised putin during G-20.

He probably got back here, and got yelled at by actual professionals for his stupid fucking promises.

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>>77031934
>Race against someone
>He beats you in the first lap
>You beat him in the final lap and win the race
>"b-b-b-but i had a great head start!..."

Remind me, when did Russia ever send a probe to Mars?

>>77021455
>A 60 year old man sat down and drew r/le_donald saying this memes war and a pepe saying we kek ass

>>77020834
Russia is useless for USA.

>>77031130
>"Space Race"
>Soviet Union sends man to space
>"is Moon Race now"

>>77031469
There's wires in the flag.

>>77038257
They've sent like 12 and they've all been horrible failures
Europe tried sending one as well, but it failed because parachute technology is still out of their grasp.

yesterday back from hospital
while working on me they have some chat between each other

- you heard trump and putin talk about 2.5 hours?
- and with poroshenko only 15 minutes haha
- hello and goodbye haha

And then I catch rusty crowded marshrutka and under the symphony of broken roads go home to continue my existing with this people.

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>>77020834
I thought Trump trying to be friendly with Russia would be really great. Holy fucking shit.

>>77021455
>4chan and 4+4chan are mentioned
What a world

>>77020998
What makes you think that would be the outcome? Be prepared to fight Russian encroachment if they are really the great threat you guys see them as. I doubt they could even beat Poland now that they cut their military budget again.

The man actually tried to make things cooler with Russia and look at what it got him. The motherfucker can't be a hated piece of shit millionaire spurge lord enough for them that they don't even want him to be cooperative and friendly. TIME FOR THE GOBLIN MAN WW3 WOOOOO

>>77039838
fuck you

>>77039838
It's not even about Putin's authoritarianism. Saudi Arabia is far more dictatorial and the US loves them. Same with China, liberals in the US love China for some inexplicable retarded reason.

I think >>77031145 pretty much is right. And it's common knowledge that Americans just parrot whatever their corporate controlled media spews.

>>77031145
>Trump's strange obsession with Putin is the only reason that such a relationship can even be discussed - it's not firmly rooted in reality.
I've heard Democrats bring up Putin infinitely more times than I've ever heard Trump mention him.

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>>77039099
>>77038257
:^)

>>77040291
That's neither here nor there. The issue is that people discuss a Russia-US alliance as if it's some conceivable outcome when in reality it isn't.

>>77021496
>USA today is more communistic than Russia
>Really makes you think
Or, well, it was from 2009 to 2016.

>>77040322
>The issue is that people discuss a Russia-US alliance as if it's some conceivable outcome when in reality it isn't
I've never heard anyone say this. Maybe in the early 90s but not any time in the past 20 or so years.

>>77031145
>>77040345
Yeh but even right after the USSR collapsed and Russia was in ruins and completely at our mercy, Western companies didn't make any attempt to invest there. They bought up everything that wasn't nailed down, but not investment, in fact we merely extended NATO eastward.

A strategic alliance only works if you have some common interest, for example we had an alliance with China in the 70s-80s due to a common anti-Soviet view. That all ended with the Cold War.

>>77040371
Strategic investment was never an option - the remaining bigwigs from the Soviet era liquidated their holdings to Western businesses, took the capital, and stashed it in foreign banks, especially ones in the United States.

That's why the 90s were such a baller era to be alive in the west - on top of the capital the baby boomers provided by saving for their retirement, you also had capital flowing in from Russia. Credit was easy to obtain so the standard of living rose significantly.

>>77040429
>baby boomers
>saving for retirement
Uh...

>>77040453
I think what he actually means is that in the 90s, the US and Western Europe made bank selling things to the starving Butthurt Belt who were desperate for a McDonalds cheeseburger and a pair of Adidas.

>>77040453
They did actually, especially in real estate. Hence the subprime crisis. They also pay into social security, which uses its annual surpluses to provide extra capital to other government agencies.

>>77040306
The US accomplished 2-3x as many things in space as the Soviet Union. The Soviets moreover had no real long-term planning, they were just performing stunt flights for propaganda value.

>>77039393
It's almost as if Russia is a bigger and more important country than Ukraine.

>>77020834
Funny how "good relations" seem to translate to "let the ruskies do whatever they please and suck their dicks" to you people.

does old Ben have any principles? it seems like he goes wherever the wind blows

>>77020834
Isn't it the other way around. Americans autistic screeching is what always fucks over European interests. For example, Crimea. The US demanded sanctions and fucked over all of the EU's agriculture.

>>77040610
It's almost as if Ukraine was not a proxy country

>>77040690
so you're saying that the USA stood for something good for a change and it shouldn't have

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>>77040744
Shamefuru dispray, Germany, Britain, and Sweden.

>>77040864
Greece doesn't have diplomatic relations with Best Korea though, they're alright.

>>77020834
anyone who trust russia and russian government is just a dumb gullible idiot. you can't make good, mutually beneficial deals with dictatorships like russia. russia will always try to fool you and to take advantage of your honesty and good intentions.
that american lady who represents america at the UN was right "america can't and won't ever trust the russians".
russians are pathological liers, we can't have normal relationship based on equality with other people. we would always try to use you for our own goals and benefits. russians' mindset is too corrupt, we are unable to have normal, healthy relations

>>77041108
>we would always try to use you for our own goals and benefits

All countries are self-serving desu.

It's like I said. In the 90s, even though Russia was completely at our mercy, we didn't invest money there or extend any Marshall Plan kind of thing because we clearly didn't trust them enough. Rebuild their infrastructure so they could invade Eastern Europe again? Hell no. So we did the next best thing which was simply steal whatever we could from the place.

>>77041108
>>77041269
That was why Obama trying to reopen ties with Cuba was a mistake--invest money there so it would go into Raul Castro's pockets while the people have two hours of electricity a day.

Or, I mean China. The North Korea problem will never be satisfactorily solved because Beijing will always put their own cynical strategic interests ahead of the awful life that people in North Korea have to live. They simply don't see why it's a big deal that Pyongyang has torture camps and you can get arrested for accidentally sitting on a newspaper with Kim Jong Un's face on it.

>>77041452
Can't wait till glorious America will finally come to liberate north koreans, and all those cute and shy commie women will finally taste the capitalist cock and life full of joy and freedom. Being an american must be great.

>>77041452
This post sounds really ironic when you consider that US supports Saudi Arabia.
All countries on this planet serve their interests first and it's in Chinese interests to have a little buffer zone between itself and American colonies in the area.

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>>77041535
>This post sounds really ironic when you consider that US supports Saudi Arabia.
>All countries on this planet serve their interests first and it's in Chinese interests to have a little buffer zone between itself and American colonies in the area

And with that, Pytor falls back on his stale RT copypaste.

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>>77041676
That's not an argument.

>>77041452
The problem with both Russia and China is that they view geopolitics as a zero-sum game and they're not capable of cooperating with other countries, they have this paranoic nationalism and believe the rest of the planet is out to get them. Hence the compulsion to impose despotic governments on their neighbors (like North Korea) to put some distance between themselves and the free world.

It's not like Europe where national rivalries have been put aside for the common good.

>>77020834
It's like Mexico or Cuba being butthurt toward USA and expecting Russia to kick American ass. Bordering countries are always butthurt toward bigger and more powerful neighbors.

>>77041716
Your post had nothing in it worth seriously discussing.

>>77041968
The argument is more that North Korea isn't merely a "buffer zone", it's a loose cannon that could cause World War III. I mean, Belarus is more-or-less a buffer zone between Russia and the Butthurt Belt, but nobody cares because that country is completely harmless. North Korea is not. They have the potential to cause a catastrophic war.

I want big and strong American daddy to fug me right in da pussy.

>>77041961
Supposedly during the early 80s, Fidel Castro argued that Moscow needed to get tougher on the US and he proposed a preemptive nuclear strike on American cities. He quickly dropped the idea when the Soviets showed him a map of how the prevailing winds would blow the fallout over Cuba.

>>77042016
You're not wrong, but still >>77041535 was just boring Kremlin talking points that aren't worth discussing in a serious manner.

>>77041676
>even liberals now accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being shills

And people say /pol/ didn't win the culture war

>>77042016
Is it even a buffer zone these days? I mean, it's not as if we're going to invade China. This isn't the 50s.

>>77042115
The conventional wisdom left over from the Cold War goes something like this:

"The continued existence of the DPRK prevents a unified, US-backed Korea on China's strategically sensitive Manchurian border."

However, as you said, we obviously aren't going to invade China in this day and age, moreover China is plenty capable of securing their borders now which they were not in the 1950s. If North Korea collapsed, we would also likely withdraw our troops from the peninsula, as the reason for their being there would no longer exist.

Beijing has always been stubbornly insistent that if war breaks out in Korea, that American troops are not allowed to go north of the DMZ. What China would do in that situation is unclear, but I doubt anyone in Washington would want to provoke them and find out. Hence the old Chinese proverb "You have to yank on the tiger's tail to see how he reacts." Should North Korea collapse, it is far more likely that China would simply occupy the place themselves and install a completely pliant puppet government.

So the buffer zone thing...it's not really true today, although Cold War-era mentalities are a bit hard to shake off especially since the people running governments aren't Millenials (and won't be for another 30 or so years), they're Cold War babbies.

>>77042236
Washington wouldn't sit back and just let the Norks become a chink satellite.

>>77042275
There might not be a choice.

Everyone is in universal agreement that North Korea is a serious danger to peace in East Asia and the regime needs to go BUT nobody can agree on what to replace it with, that's the problem. The US would ideally want a unified, democratic Korea. However, China wants instead to have a protectorate in the north that is completely under their control, out of their own economic and strategic interests.

South Korea doesn't really want to absorb the North either, because the cost of rebuilding and integrating its population would be ruinous. Also it could be argued that the ROK really doesn't want to share a border with China.

And then, the other thing is that the existing North Korean regime cannot be removed at all without causing a catastrophic war.

>>77033372
I see you're not familiar with our governments 'say one thing, do the complete opposite' tendencies

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>>77020834
>USRussia.jpg

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>>77040306

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>>77040560

>>77032143
The Baltic states are NATO members nowadays, Putin can't invade them without provoking a war with the rest of NATO that Russia would lose disastrously.

>>77020834
I want to fuck europe

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Daily reminder than most Americans actually want a closer relationship with Russia. This number is particularly high among young people (70%)

>>77043523
>listing a bunch of missions like Venera 1 that failed and returned no useful data
Come on now, Pytor. You're better than that.

>>77020834
It's actually the USA that has been pushing West Europe to take a stance against Russia.

>>77042236
North Korea really doesn't have nearly as friendly and brotherly relations with China as is often believed. The Norks have resisted Chinese attempts to turn them into a protectorate for decades, they've also banned the use of hanja characters. Kim Jong Il had little use for Beijing except as a source of money and oil/gas/electricity, and he reportedly said on his deathbed that China cannot be trusted.

Believe me, there is nothing more China would like to do than have a protectorate in North Korea that is completely under their control. They've been trying to do it since the 50s--they tried to export the Cultural Revolution and Maoism to the DPRK in the late 60s and unsuccessfully tried to get them to adopt China's "reform" communism. They tried to coup Kim Jong Un and replace him with his uncle (a Chinese operative), who got fed to dogs.

>>77043523
At this time in the USSR there was no toilet paper, washing powder and sausage, because all money went to arms and space

>>77043978
Also first woman and POC in space isn't a real accomplishment.

>>77043978
>no toilet paper, washing powder and sausage, because all money went to arms and space
i'd be totally ok with that if it means we can be a rival to america again.
can't stand russia being so weak and pathetic

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>>77043523
Now remove all the non-accomplishments like failed probes and women in space.

>>77044036
You were weak and pathetic in the 70s as well, without your army you were just Snow Africa.

>>77040744
I'm saying we should care for these things on our own and only if we want, same way the US does not do it when things have bad consequences for them

>>77043978
from what fucking shithole village do you come from

>>77044105
Shut the fuck up stupid lardass

>>77044105
HDI-wise the USSR was close to US standards. Shut the fuck up if you don't know anything about the subject.

>>77044105
>without your army
that's the point. russia was always a shithole, a laughingstock since its birth. but at least we were strong and influential militarily after the world war two and till the end of the afghan war. afghanistan destroyed russia (figuratively of course).

russia will always be a poor corrupt shithole, it will never change but at least once we had a strong military and now we have nothing besides nukes (which might not even work)

>>77044168
he is right and we all know that

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post comfy Soviet posters

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Saint Joseph saved the Third Rome (Moscow) from the filthy nazi barbarians.

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>>77044033
Look at the real standard of living in the USSR and these achievements
Are they worth it?

>>77044164
Until 1966, people on collective farms worked for lines in log, they didn't get wage like slaves, and they started issuing passports and permission for free movement only in 1974
But this country launched the world's first satellite, yes

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>>77044187
>HDI-wise the USSR was close to US standards

>>77044339
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/reports/219/hdr_1990_en_complete_nostats.pdf

Why do Americans keep talking about things they know absolutely nothing about and pretend to be experts on that subject?

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>>77030783
How's that metal grapefruit doing? Oh right, sputnik burned up in less than half a year. The Explorer 1? Launched a few months after Sputnik and stayed up for 12 years.

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>After visiting a supermarket in Texas during a 1989 visit to the US, Boris Yeltsin became completely awed by what he'd seen. Said one of his assistants, "Any last remaining belief in Bolshevism disappeared from my boss." Yeltsin said "What have we done? How could we allow our people to have such an inferior quality of life?"

>>77044405
america is better than russia at everything

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Americans = sore losers. Always will make up excuses.

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>>77044259

>>77044405
Explorer 1 also discovered the Van Allen Belts, Sputnik was just a dumb radio transmitter.

Also the second US satellite ever launched, Vanguard 1, is still in orbit and is projected to stay up there for a couple centuries.

BTW if you guys didn't know, the German flag in here is a Russian diaspora who lives in Germany on welfare and spams Kremlin propaganda 16 hours a day.

>>77044477
this

>>77044432
And yet...

>>77021216
>>77020834
why does /pol/ only think people believe their worldview at face value?

but honestly have you ignored 60 years of anti-communism propaganda, and 20+years of expanding NATO and proxy-conflicts with modern russia?

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>>77044432
How does a country so famous for rocket science, like Germany, manage to do so little in for space exploration?

>>77044477
My parents own a restaurant I am rich

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>>77044379
If everything was so good in the USSR, why people couldn't leave the country freely?

pls reply >>77044315

>>77044457
I honestly don't know what happened. If you look at video/audio of his speeches in 1989-90, they were extremely passionate and energetic, by 1993 he looked and sounded like someone's Alzheimer's grandpa. Must have been the booze.

>>77044516
alcoholism

>>77021455
i thought he hated 4chan for slandering him with the anti-jew cartoons?

why does he include them?

>>77044496
The Butthurt Belt asked us to expand NATO, so we did.

>>77044507
Don't give the diaspora troll serious replies. It's not worth it.

>>77044507
If it was so shitty then why did most people vote for the preservation of the USSR in the referendum?

>>77044556
Post your face. I want to see what you fat subhuman look like irl.

Russia: first everything in space

USA: w-we shot a movie in Beverly Hills that looks like we've been on the moon

I have NEVER soon proof of the remains of that mission on the moon other than those stages pictures.
If you really were there, you'd be able to tell somehow I guess? Maybe that old rover or something?
Hmmm


Russia > USA

kremlinshills are ridiculous

>>77044559
'Cos Russians be dumb. They had no contact with the outside world and didn't realize how shitty their quality of life was, they knew nothing except propaganda.

>>77044595
Especially when they live in a comfy First World country on the dole posting with their taxpayer-provided phone.

>>77020834
Did ben just release a comic without a single label ? what did this world come to

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>>77044498
>kek observatory

>>77044541
poor America, forced by the butthurt belt

Ok since you fat subhuman ignore my post I will point it out again. >>77044379 (it is on page 111)

USSR had the 26th highest HDI in the world, USA was #19. "Snow Africa" my ass

>>77031145
fairly true but russia is a big market in itself even with an aging demographic. most businsesses including exxon want deals with them.

russia is however a huge rival in military arms industry and sell every single alternative that the US sells, from jets to carriers. and the only country that can currently match US military technology and probably compete for influence in key areas like the mid-east.

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>>77044559
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_independence_referendum,_1991
Why did not people take to the streets to defend the USSR when these 3 people destroyed it 8 December 1991?

>>77043707
If you look at South Korean TV dramas, they portray China more negatively than even Japan.

It says a whole lot when literally all of China's neighbors would like China to be nuked off the map.

>>77044601
>dumb
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/13/24-7-wall-st-most-educated-countries/15460733/

Please keep posting my uneducated friend Exposing your lack of knowledge about everything is real fun.

>>77021216
>The people have been for many years, our corrupt jewish government is not
You may be retarded. The general populace is indifferent and a lot of people who aren't completely ignorant didn't like what happened/happens in Ukraine. Also, Jews don't control the government. If you said Hollywood you'd have a point but not the government.

>>77040371
they did though but russians made damn sure resources didn't go to the west.

tsarist russia was basically western-owned and russian planners remembered that and how they were basically just a third-world colony in tsarist era.

>>77044659
>russia is however a huge rival in military arms industry and sell every single alternative that the US sells, from jets to carriers. and the only country that can currently match US military technology and probably compete for influence in key areas like the mid-east

Not really, no. Russian military tech is stuck in the 80s and has no advantage other than low cost.

>>77044541
>Promise the Russians they won't expand into Warsaw pact
>"shouldn't have fucking believed us lol fuck you" - Clinton
>start expanding into former USSR random shitholes that nobody cares about
>now possibly expanding into strategic areas like georgia and ukraine

what possible good would come out of pushing the border with russia? you'll get us nuked if you defend countries literally the rest of the alliance gives 0 fucks about.

>>77044541
keep sucking that russian cock pathetic traitor

>>77044695
>but russians made damn sure resources didn't go to the west
After Putin took over, sort of. He stopped the mass buyouts and hemorrhaging of the country's resources to the US and Europe (in the 90s literally anything and everything was for sale) but mostly so he and his friends could own all the wealth for themselves.

>>77044541
>>77044737
Nato shills are so dumb they start attacking each other. fucking lmao

>>77044737
this. fuck russia and all its inhabitants.
>le russia is our friend now
don't be a cocksucking loser. russia wants to fool americans and destroy the us

>>77031469
It's called physics.
>>77032470
The later is a lot more of a technological achievement than the former.

>>77044735
>what possible good would come out of pushing the border with russia?

We aren't. The Baltic states which directly border Russia have NATO membership strictly for defense reasons if attacked, but we have no troops or weapons there.

Moreover, Ukraine and Belarus function as neutral buffer zones between Russia and Eastern Europe.

Can't we just all agree that the US is literally the most evil, most treacherous, most dangerous and violent country that ever existed?

They are the sole reason for any major conflict going on in this world right now.
They are the root cause of all evil.
The United Kingdom comes as a close second.
Backstabbing, lying, disgusting filthholes.

>>77044595
Yeh now another one with a Canada proxy has appeared in the thread.

>>77044735
why not? they could strengthen their position in europe so they did. strong countries do what in their interests, it's totally ok.

can't wait till ukraine, georgia, sweden and finland all join NATO.

>>77044754
soviets didn't want to sell many resources directly to the west, they would get fucked that way because they knew how strong western corporations were.

this is why only russian citizens were allowed to buy shares in the privatized companies. for good reason too, we would have tried to buy everything if it meant fucking the russians over and removing them as a threat.

>>77044810
Without USA, there would be no Germany in its current form
Show some fucking respect!

>>77044659
Exxon isn't most businesses. It's a major oil producer that can't compete with the smaller firms when it comes to shale oil which is where the bulk of new oil production comes from in the US.

Exxon is a single business spending their capital where they can get the most return, which is currently in the Black Sea. It isn't broadly representative of US business as a whole.

>>77044779
Going to the Moon was damn difficult, entire new technologies and manufacturing processes had to be created. The personal computer revolution of the 70s-80s happened in part because of the technological advancements made during the race to the Moon.

>>77044779
The Soviets were in space before you. You will forver be #2. Deal with it.

>>77044852
Don't feed the diaspora troll. It is neither kind nor necessary.

>>77044831
pushing these borders would unfortunately trigger your military strategists/generals much like how taking over cuba and putting weapons there would trigger americans.

>>77044793
they are full blown members and can be used to invade and destroy the ruskis if we ever need to.

russians fear that since its closed to a major city and there's no natural defense they have there.

>>77044907
Post your face

>>77044932
Which is why we aren't seriously going to add Ukraine or Finland to NATO. Even in the 90s when Russia was totally prostrated, we didn't do that.

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It's always fun to see when selfrighteous americans trigger half of the board off with their incoherent "MURIICAHHH!!" babbling.

Like lmao americans are idiots, don't like pay attention to them rofl.

>>77044856
fine, but many businesses would expand into russia. but military strength/threat > business interest in a lot of cases.

we would LOVE it if we opened trade with iran, especially the petro-companies. but we can't for saudi-israeli reasons.

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Americans are so butthurt about the space race they even claim Soviet achievements to be theirs. Pathetic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#List_of_projects_and_accomplishments

>>77045039
That is clearly a dog in a cosmonaut suit

>>77044852
Go suck some cock on Ramstein base.


America is the devil.

>>77044863
Yes that's what I said the moon being later and the man in space as former.
>>77044899
Why don't you go back to your glorious motherland. Why are people who left shitholes as a kid or were born to immigrants such fucking cock suckers for the place their parents fled?

>>77045326
But the USSR doesn't exist anymore

>>77045404
No it doesn't but the Russian Federation is run by a former KGB agent who still acts thinks it's the Cold War.

>get's btfo
>"g-go back to ur country"
what a fucking loser you are. don't engage in internet arguments if you can't accept a defeat haha

>>77044907
I just wanted to point out that he is not representative for how Germans feel about Americans

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>>77045442
Who is US being run by?

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>>77045484

https://youtu.be/_W7wqQwa-TU

>>77045543
"unfavorable" is not the same as "literally the most evil, most treacherous, most dangerous and violent country that ever existed"

>>77044959
>we would LOVE it if we opened trade with iran
Oh wait no, sorry. This isn't a Kremlinbot, it's that Canadian Iranian diaspora troll. Nevermind.

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>>77045543
he said Americans not America, idiot

>>77045326
>Why don't you go back to your glorious motherland. Why are people who left shitholes as a kid or were born to immigrants such fucking cock suckers for the place their parents fled?

Because they become incredibly insecure in their national identity and when they return to their motherland, they are never seen as being native. Russaboo over here probably only heard stories about how great Russia is, maybe visited the country once or twice, and got made fun of at school. He won't be accepted as a Russian among the Russians and won't be accepted as a German among the Germans, so the best he can hope for is to be a Russian among Germans.

>>77045825
Yeah it's just like all the chinks in Canada and Australia who are diehard, extreme CCP dickriders.

>>77020834
>all Trump basically said was that the current path US-Russia relations were going down wasn't safe and that he would be able to get along with Putin better than other candidates would (most of whom basically wanted WW3 over fucking Syria)
>now everybody, including his own fucking stupid supporters, are memeing about le best friends xDDD constantly
kill yourself, or alternatively move to Russia so you can be "based" just like Putler

>>77045825
>got made fun of at school
>projecting this hard
Why are Americans so obessed with ethnicity anyways
I see it in every single argument with an American
>"oh you disagree with me? you must be diaspora then, opinion discarded!"
Iran should nuke America

>>77045906
Putin got away with shit in Ukraine and Syria because Obama was such a joke of a president.

>>77045918
Good to know I was spot on for all the rest.

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Why do Americans think the "you are diaspora" card has any argumentative value?
>yeah look how badass I am, I told him to go back to his shithole! It bet he is crying right know

>>77045967
I think Syria is the one thing Putin is right about. But yes he used Obama as a doormat because that's all Obama was good for.

>>77046002
>>77045918
lel you shit up basically every single thread about Russia or Eastern Europe and diaspora are as a rule always the worst posters on this board no matter where they're from. Go be butthurt somewhere else.

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>>77046059
>Go be butthurt somewhere else.
You are not my boss fatty

All I'm saying is that Chubek thought a lot less of his home country than the multitude of pitiful Iranian diaspora posting under Canadian and European flags who've never actually lived in the place.

>>77046059
I dunno, the We Wuz Aztecs Mexican is possibly worse. I literally wince whenever I see his posts.

>fat American fat asses trying to be an authority
literally kill yourselves

>>77045536
By baby boomers, same as Russia.

>>77044538
If you can't beat them, join them

>>77020834

Garrison is so fucking cringy

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>>77046501
I think /pol/ broke him as a person. His cartoons before they started fucking with him were some legitimately good shit.

Russia's curse has been having completely uneducated bydlo for leaders.

>Stalin
>got expelled from school
>bank robber

>Khrushchev
>dumb redneck peasant who couldn't read or write until he was 30

>Brezhnev
>empty suit who came up during the Stalin era because the purges killed everyone who was capable of running the country or had any education

>Gorbachev
>IDK

>Yeltsin
>got expelled from school

>Putin
>KGB colonel

>>77046563
Putin studied Law at the Saint Petersburg State University in 1970 and graduated in 1975

>>77020834
Is this what americans think? Eu is an obstacle?

>>77046655
A law degree in the Soviet Union wouldn't be worth the paper it's printed on.

>>77046697
elaborate

>>77043541
Neato, Russia's space program is just a low-cost freight service now.

>>77041108
>>77042236
>>77043707
It's like the other guy said. Dictatorships have no real "allies", they breed only mutual distrust and suspicion.

>>77046697
The educational system in the USSR was fairly good at STEM subjects but they completely raped and mutilated the liberal arts, history, music, and things like that.

>>77046901
You learned not the law, but the marxist-leninist interpretation of it.
Guess how useful was that in real life.

>>77047624
That was kind of my point. Communist cunts were well known for having extremely elaborate constitutions/legal codes that weren't worth the paper they were printed on.

>>77047734
No it was not your point. Because you didn't elaborae like I asked for, most likely because you have no clue what you're talking about. You needed somebody else to answer the question for you.
Btw, you might disagree with the communist ideology doesn't make a university degree in the USSR is "worthless".

>>77020998
>we don't want to be your little war playground
>so you can't have good relations with other nuclear powers
hmmm

>>77047734
That's why responded to him.
I would not be surprised if he was clueless about it.

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>>77020834
Is Zyklon Ben Garrison officially retarded at this point?

>>77047912
this is why I don't understand the liberal mindset
>Russia is very dangeous, and a military threat
>that means we must act aggressive toward Russia and avoid any form of diplomacy

>>77047914
I am a communist so I don't give a fuck about your "muh ebul marxism-leninism"

>>77047910
>Btw, you might disagree with the communist ideology doesn't make a university degree in the USSR is "worthless".
Generally no, but in many cases it was worthless anywhere beside USSR.

Why would you need an expert in marxist-leninist theory of class relations, for example?

Plus, beside such invented degrees, you would have historians interested only in searching for class-struggle through history, economists trying to prove the superiority of socialist-economy over capitalist (imperialist) one, or agronomists trying to implement marxist-leninist theory into the potato cultivation.

>>77020834
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2yo-8ru5LA
I remember there. ha-ha.

>>77048124
Ok but how does this make him an "uneducated bydlo" like >>77046563 claimed?

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>>77021455
>starts drawing propaganda for the very people that almost killed your career
in /pol/ terms that would be considered cuckoldery

>>77048058
>I am a communist
>rich kid from a wealthy country, probably from the part that never experienced his adored system, or too young to remember it
I'm not really surprised

>>77020834
Is this what American political cartoons are like? Ours are much more savage

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>>77048058
>I am a communist

>>77040640
He got mad at Trump over the Syrian strike.

>>77048207
I wouldn't generalize it to that point.
Even if the law was the tool of the state in USSR, I imagine that law studies were quite hard.
On the other hand, Putin came from a privileged family, so who knows how his studying in Leningrad actually looked like.

>>77043609

Young people are naive liberals who think the world is all rosy rainbows and everyone loves each other and gets along. They're the same group of people who see an akbar blow up a bunch of kids then immediately scream #NOTALL

They wouldn't understand a threat if it bit them in the ass, they wouldn't understand hostility if it kicked them in the dick and they wouldn't understand espionage if it punched them in the face.

>Putin came from a privileged family
Nah he came from an ordinary family

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>>77031130
>mfw every country for 60 years said this is irrelevant
>mfw now that they have the tech their going and it's important

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>>77048393
The young generation just didn't go through Cold War propaganda, that's all

Time to repost "Life under communism":

*You have no freedom or right to control your own destiny. The state tells you where you can live and what jobs you can have.
*Consumer goods are poor quality and in short supply--it can take months to purchase a bicycle, TV set, or coffee table.
*Jobs are mostly assigned based on your status as a member of the proletarian class such as "worker" or "peasant", or because you have connections to some party bigshot, and you could be denied a job if a member of your family did something politically unacceptable.
*If you complain about anything, you go to jail or a labor camp.
*Religion is either banned or strictly controlled by the state.
*You need permission to travel outside the country.
*Food is poor quality and limited in supply--markets often only have a few items on sale. People literally get sick and experience malnutrition from the shitty diet.
*There are no free elections and government officials do not have to answer to the public.
*All media, art, and entertainment must conform to the state agenda--this includes glorifying the party or the leader and schlocky propaganda art of muscled factory workers while demonizing whatever ideologies/people/countries the party wants demonized.
*The print and electronic media only report whatever news the state wants you to hear while not mentioning what they don't want you to know.
*There is no independent judiciary and you do not have a right to a fair trial or legal representation.
*Hotels and apartments are bugged, so be careful what you say.
*Some cities are "closed" meaning you cannot visit them without official permission.

>>77048459
>Nah he came from an ordinary family
Yeah, his grandfahter was a cook in one of Stalin's villa, and his father served in NKVD destruction battalions. Totally ordinary.

>>77048693
>*Consumer goods are poor quality and in short supply--it can take months to purchase a bicycle, TV set, or coffee table.
I would like to see American waiting 5 years for a car.

>>77048697
http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

>his father was a foreman in a metal factory and his mother was a homemaker. Putin lived with his parents in an apartment with two other families
Yes, privileged as fuck

>>77048737
They don't wait they take 5 year credit

>>77048888
And in communism you paid for a car and then had to wait for it.

>>77048742
>>77048787
>http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio
Because personal page of Russian President would be anything other than "ordinary man of the people", right?
Seriously, there are whole books about him and his family, mate.

>>77049068
http://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Putin-Vladimir.html

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>>77045772
What is Canada such a butthurt bitch about? What possible reason do they have for only 65% of their population liking Americans and 30% outright hating us? Our countries and cultures are basically the exact same.

>>77049068
I mean, Xi Jinping does same even though his father was a CCP bigshot.

>>77049213
Toronto (SJW central) and Vancouver (SJW+chink central) skewer the stats.

>>77048988
In exchange for which you got some tiny tin can with mechanical brakes and a solid rear axle like time froze in the 1930s.

>>77049302
After German reunification, they literally threw DDR-made cars into dumpsters.

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>>77048737
>>77048693
If you want to see prime Soviet banter, just watch old clips of Reagan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A

>>77049595
Why go so far away, Russians themselves produced those in droves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_political_jokes

>>77049595
"One day the commissar was visiting the collective farm. The farmer told him 'Oh comrade, it's glorious. We have so many potatoes that if we piled them all up, they would touch the face of God.' To which the commissar replied 'Bah, there's no God. That's just capitalist superstition.' The farmer then said 'That's ok, there aren't any potatoes anyway.'"

>>77049801
Reagan himself mentioned he learned those jokes from the Russian people. His delivery is great though.

>>77050134
>His delivery is great though
Being a professional actor does help with that...

>>77047498
Not true. History and economics was heavily politicized but arts and music were almost completely untouched. Teachers from before revolution were not removed and arts and music were heavily subsidized. USSR's art and music were in fact so good, CIA had to fund modern "art" for west to be seen as comparable.

>>77048216
that is unironically a pretty good caricature