Where did the ''America won ww2 for the allies''

hollywood

>>76987010
Where did the "Russia won ww2" meme come from?

>>76987346
history

>>76987346
non-anglo history books

>>76987010
Like most of the bullshit around today: it came from and continues to come from, Americans.

>Americans dont intervene in WWII
>USSR pushes all the way to France

is this the future you wanted

>>76992247
You did fulfill your interests. Now fuck off from our territory

>>76992336
Snooty ass kraut considering we're the only reason your a first world country. Marshall Plan aka European Welfare you better be grateful. How about making your own army and stop relying on us? Oh wait you cant your Corporations love us too much :DDD

>>76992393
>grateful
No

>>76992814
>Not being grateful you were elevated to first world standards in the span of 10 years solely by American relief efforts

Literally Communist. Or Muslim. Or both.

>>76993071
He's just a teenager who thinks it's cool and edgy to be anti-american. Teenagers aren't grateful to the parents that support them. Just let him be.

>Americans don't send Russia any hardware
>Hitler takes Moscow because Stalin doesn't have enough trucks
embarrassing

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>>76993471
Most Germans dislike you

>>76993545
Counterattack started before first lend lease protocol took place

>>76993634
That is not asking "It's ____ that America is our ally"

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>>76993703
I posted the wrong image

>>76993634
Most Germans are entitled shitheads.

>>76993734
I have an unfavorable opinion of Trump and us policy on global warming etc, too. Even that 62% are not all edgy teenagers like you, son.

>>76993734
Wow I HATE Europe now
Asia new best friend.

>>76987010
So I suppose Russia successfully destroyed Italy, supplied her allies with generous gifts of planes, trucks, radios, tanks, fuel, ammunition, and food, and decisively defeated Japan's navy at Midway?

>>76987010
Their industrial capability certainly did
Ever heard of lend lease?

>>76993974
No but they destroyed nearly 90% of Nazi Germany's army. More Germans died in Stalingrad than in the enitre Western Front

>>76987346
Truth.

>>76994111
>raw numbers

mean jack. Western Europe was more strategic.

>>76994621
not really

>>76994111
The Red Army lost even more than the German Army on the Eastern Front. Also we took twice as much prisoners as the Soviets did (7.7 million compared to SU's 3.1 million), a great way to neutralize your enemy without having to take a bullet to the face.. We also had an outstanding air force that decimated Germany's war material machine and we captured the Ruhr. The Soviets may have raised their flag over the capital, but at what cost? The point of war is to win and by winning we mean destroying the enemy's capacity to wage war and by destroying more of the enemy than taking casualties. As General Patton once said "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

>>76994867
Yes really

>>76994993
I don't know what you are trying to say. Yes, a lot of Soviets died but that doesn't change the fact that they destroyed almost the entire German army. That Platon quote is totally out of place and you're just typing some nonsense.

>>76987346
edgy 4channers who hate the US

>>76987346
reality

>>76987346
Russia/USSR didn't win WW2, but they did most of the work.

>>76993734
This country is such an uncooperative hellhole.
Literally backwards

>>76993471
>He's just a teenager who thinks it's cool and edgy to be anti-american
Hate you break your little bubble but it's really only American teenagers (and poorly educated retards/spin TV hosts appealing to said poorly educated retards) who are pro-America.
As for pro-American, that's irrelevant. Not even your own nation values the life of individual citizens.

>>76995366
>Did most of the work
no
>took most of the bullets
yes

>>76995220
No, not really.

>>76995313
>4channers
Go back from whence you came, cancerous normalfag.

>>76995424
>no
Yes. You're fucking wrong. American forces only became properly involved in the war by the time it was already over.

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>>76995233
Learn some English and read up on your history, not Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, untermensch. Pick up a book on General Patton or on General Montgomery. Your spelling is trash.

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>>76995424
>unironically denying indisputable historical facts
You are absolutely pathetic

>>76995479
And...? Without us France would've been an SSR. I dont think you care if we claim we did most of the leg work in Relevant Europe. Britain only piggy packed off our bombing campaigns and retreated from France. We also spearheaded Africa.

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Do they really not teach you guys that Canada won WWI and WWII with some help from Australia?

>>76995479
I came from here and if Russia wasn't cold they'd all be speaking German or french
>>76995519
Took the most bullets literally what I said

>>76995489
>has no arguments to present
>attacks my English spelling instead (while ignoring the fact than I'm not a native speaker)
what a fucking loser you are

>>76994206
>We had the worst on the West
Huh, always thought it was the yanks.

>>76987010
umm usa propaganda. we woulda been fucked massively if ussr rolled over and died like france did. I think it comes from the war with japan and how reconquering the free world was ''all about the usa'' not that they didnt do anything though. we don't give other countries nearly enough credit

>>76995626
>umm
>woulda
>poor sentence structure
>>>/r/eddit

>>76995588
Are you blind? They didn't just take all the bullets, they also destroyed more than 80 percent of the German army

>>76995539
Memes aside, we helped a lot, and he only place you'll hear that are our history books, and maybe a couple britbong ones

>>76995667
>lol he said a silly word
>let's point it out and make him look stupid without actually trying to prove him wrong

>>76995684
>Not knowing what attrition is
>believing that wars are won by sending waves and waves of troops instead of bombing making supplies and outmaneuvering the enemy
I guess Carthage won the punic wars

>>76995489
Patton was an anti-semite and nazi sympathizer.

>>76995751
I'm not part of this thread to argue im just here to shitpost, hans. Wrong burger.

>defending reddit
>>>/r/eddit

>>76995588
>if Russia wasn't cold they'd all be speaking German or french

No you dumb faggot. the "invincible" german army that conquered lands at speeds never before seen didnt fall apart because it was "cold". i fucking hate this meme

Good goym

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_R4pqAGv20

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>>76987038
this, combined with ignorance and murriga #1. They also believe they did the most in WWI

>>76995797
Germany wasn't even able to supply their troops on the Eastern Front fast enough due to the Russian winter / mud season so it literally made no difference

>>76995860
>non official youtube videos that look like they were made 10 years ago

Go away /pol/ and cite real sources.

>>76995797
>>believing that wars are won by sending waves and waves of troops instead of bombing making supplies and outmaneuvering the enemy

isnt that litterally what the romans did to win the second punic war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNNjNbJWdI

>>76995873
>Be Britian/France
>fighting for three years
>Literal stalemate
>be US
>enter
>War ends within one year

makes me think

>>76995873
>France
>8%

i honestly feel bad for france tbqh

>>76995829
>lolreddit
Its not funny anymore

>>76995836
Napoleon's army must have also fallen to starving untrained peasants
Attrition is more important than you think

>>76995927
Until they realized it didn't work and tried something different

>>76995985
>>>/r/eddit

>>76987010
Hollywood and comic books, obviously.
Personally I'm more interested in where does the "the biggest and most advanced resistance movement was in France" myth comes from.

>>76996078
>>>/r/eddit

>>76996013
I am not saying attrition didn't play a role in the eastern front. in fact the size, geography and poor infrastructure of the soviet union and the poor logistical situation of germany might have slowed them down. BUT the weather didnt stop the germans. the russians did. and the geography certainly didnt push the germans back either

>>76996175
Any living bodies with guns would've slowed them down. But guess who supplied those guns as well as ammo, ordinances, food, transportation, and oil. (Lend Lease act)
This why the Americans won World War 2

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>American education

>>76996296
The lend-lease constituted only 7 percent of the resources which the Soviets have used in WW2. Most of the trucks were notoriously ill-prepared for the Russian climate.

>>76996296
You weren't the only country contributing to lend lease.

>>76995893
Excuse me for posting mister Goldberg, I will exit this instant.

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>>76996391
>Canada and Britain
Holy Kek I love the Canada won 1812 meme However I know its the only thing you have so I'll stop.

>>76996391
More history than canada-desu-senpai.

stay assblasted in your irrelevance

>>76996423
It was our idea and ideas win wars canada,
I never said you didn't contribute, you did a lot

Hollywood

>>76996609
U mean Vin diesel didn't really die trying to deliver a message to prvt Ryan?!
That's not immersive at all

>>76996739
tom hanks, but no he did not die

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usa damage control

>>76996758
He did get stranded on an island though.

>>76996833
wrong movie

>>76993644
Counterattack started once Stalin new America had the Japanese on lock in Asia and was able to shift more divisions to Europe.

Also, Soviet momentum was maintained because Hitler had a "West Above All" mentality after the Allies invaded France. He pulled some of his best troops from the East to focus on the West, thinking that were they to fall he could create a seperate peace.

>>76987010
>dune coon

>>76994206
>not realizing that you were defending
>not realizing that you need at least a 3-1 advantage to appropriately attack an entrenched enemy
>still not having 3-1 casualties (in the West)

>>76996838
>wrong movie

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FsSPZUxtV8U

>>76996296
guns don't kill people

>>76987010
America won pacific war

>>76997229
Scientists working in seclusion, funded by American tax dollars won the pacific war*

>>76997298
what is your point? We also did 99.95% of the leg work

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>Be USSR
>Destroy all elite SS divisions such as "SS We wuz Vikangs" and "SS leibcuckdart Adolf Cuckler" etc.
>kill most of german troops with K/D 1/1.3
>started to counterattack
>USA drops a bit trucks
>thanks i guess...
>rape way to Berlin
>put flag on reichstag
>2017
>picrelated is what they learn in american schools

>>76997513
We gave USSR over 50% of its hardware desu senpai

>>76997542
More like 99% (not really)

>>76997343
I mean, saying Americans won, when it was a secret project that created the bombs that made their foes surrender, seems a bit far fetch.

>Where did the ''America won ww2 for the allies'' myth come from?
Europeans and self-hating Americans made it up so they could claim Americans believed it and could feel superior for saying it's wrong.
I've literally never heard someone unironically say America was the reason the Allies won WW2 but every time I hear WW2 brought up I hear some shithead redditor or teacher say "Did you guys know America wasn't the reason the Allies won WW2, aren't I smart?"

>>76993734

Pretty sure this too heavily focused on Trump, Canada definitely never scores nearly that high on unfvaourable any other time.

>>76995489

Lel, browsing /int/ at night when the posters are 80% amerilards is so fun
The quality of.. everything drops so drastically, it's incredible

>>76995873

> ww1

Didnt the US send like 10,000 soldiers in the entire conflict?

>>76987346
Earrape youtube shitposts

>>76993634
>It's ____ that American ideas and customs are spreading here

The fact that Italy, Sweden and Hungary are all on the same page in answering this question indicates that everyone took it to mean whatever they wanted it to mean.

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>>76987010
As always.

>>76987010
Where is China?

>>76993734
Vietnam needs to calm down. We're great, but we're not that great.

>>76995618
It makes sense considering the US came in later. British forces were in it from the start in France, Belgium and Norway.

>>76995405
There are pro American teenagers in other countries you know

>>76987010
If it wasn't for Americans intervention in WWI, Europe would be completely conquered by Germans
If it wasn't for American intervention in WWII, Europe would be completely conquered by Russians

>>76999524
No.

>>76999898

Youre basing your WW2 assumption on Germany facing a divided front. Which isn't right.

Because if America had not entered there would be two significant differences:

1) Germany's eastern front would be a lot stronger

2) Russia would not have their own eastern front freed up so readily as Japan would not have been checked by the American entry

The effect of 2) is drastic, because a large part of the defense of Stalingrad and the subsequent offensive depended on their eastern, Siberian reserves - who as it happened were well equipped for fighting in the cold.

>>76999898

Also, the American entry in WW1 wasnt necessary at all, although it did shorten the war greatly by prompting the Germans to make a final desperate ground offensive in anticipation of the arrival of the Americans.

Germany could already forseeably be said to have been defeated by the time their unrestricted submarine warfare had proven incapable of starving Britain; their last hope of turning the tides. The British fleet was simply superior. The sinking of the lusitania which brought the Americans into the war did not change the fates for Germany by the time it happened. More than half the world was against them; and their allies had all signed separate armistice agreements

>>76999630
Getting raped by your ancestors, literally

>>77000333
>>77000621
So are you saying that If America didn't get involved in WW1, Germany would have still been defeated, but if America didn't get involved in WW2, Germany would have won the war?

>>76999492
I lately realized it too
Americans start to enter /deutsch/ because they are too afraid coming on daytime

>>76995489
Is he trump

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>>77001852
Maybe

>>77002475
Patton, is not the guy who insulted the french ? Yet he thought he was a soldier of Napoléon, Marshal Ney ? Lol

>>76987010
Ask /his/.

The Soviets would have invaded Denmark, so Eisenhower sent American divisions to block the border.

>>77000621
Too many British ships.

>>76995539
this is what we were taught

>>76995941
>a large country with a large military entering a war on one side broke a stalemate (noun, position counting as a draw)
activates the almonds

>>76988139
>>76989231
Without the Anglos they would be speaking German right now, assuming they weren't going to be exterminated.

>>76987010
from the fact that soviets were regime known for genociding its people. you cant sympathise with that. people running away from soviet union, high officials and scientists defecting. this was in the news all the time. thats the image they earned themself.

>>76995539
Canada is all powerful. Our Canadian overlords are good and just.

>>77002515
>is not the guy who insulted the french ?
I don't think so. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else. He visited France numerous times in his life and none of his experiences seem to indicate anything negative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton

1912
>Following the 1912 Olympics, Patton traveled to Saumur, France, where he learned fencing techniques from Adjutant Charles Cléry, a French "master of arms" and instructor of fencing at the cavalry school there.[32]
>Patton then returned to Saumur to learn advanced techniques before bringing his skills to the Mounted Service School at Fort Riley, Kansas, where he would be both a student and a fencing instructor.

WWI
>He left Paris and reported to the French Army's tank training school at Champlieu near Orrouy, where he drove a Renault FT light tank.
>On the way back to Paris, he visited the Renault factory to observe the tanks being manufactured.
>He received the first ten tanks on March 23, 1918 at the Tank School at Bourg, a small village close to Langres, Haute-Marne département. The only US soldier with tank-driving experience, Patton personally backed seven of the tanks off the train.

WWII
>Other Allied commanders were more impressed, the Free French in particular. General Henri Giraud was incredulous when he heard of Patton's dismissal by Eisenhower in late 1945, and invited him to Paris to be decorated by President Charles de Gaulle at a state banquet. At the banquet, President de Gaulle gave a speech placing Patton's achievements alongside those of Napoleon.[227]

>>77002727
hope you're not grouping yourself in with anglos mate

>>76987010
From the fact that we held the alliance together and stopped pretty much everyone else in it from starving to death and/or running out of supplies.

>>77002821
I am, m8

>>77002912
well don't because you're not

>>76987038
Fpbp

>>77002929
I am. British great grand father immigrated from Britian.

>>77003057
my great grandfather was French, that doesn't make me French

>From the onset of WWI, American sympathy was largely on the side of the Entente. Most Americans saw Britain and France as the champions of liberalism in Europe while the popular stereotype of Germans was that of a jack-booted martinet in a spiked helmet. German authoritarianism and militarism was widely disliked among Americans, and although both the Entente and Central Powers engaged in propaganda initiatives in the US, the latter was singularly unsuccessful. Pro-German sympathy mostly came from Irish-Americans who cheered on the enemy of Great Britain, and German-Americans, many of whom had emigrated only physically.

>In August 1915, a German agent accidentally left his briefcase on a railroad car in New York City, which was recovered by a Secret Service agent and found to contain documents describing sabotage efforts on American industry. Around the same time, a munitions plant in New Jersey was gutted by an explosion at a loss of $22 million.

>>77002727
>Without the Anglos they would be speaking German right now,
fucking anglos.
we'd have better living standards now if were Germans' slaves

>Anglo-US relations during the war did not go entirely smoothly, there was friction over Britain's blockade of Germany. Soon after the start of hostilities in 1914, the British declared the entire North Sea a war zone and began mining it heavily. Neutral ships entering this area were liable to be stopped and searched by the Royal Navy for contraband, which was an extremely elastic definition that could include things like cotton and food items. This cut into American business and there were cries of protest from farmers and manufacturers.

>The British would force American shipping to turn off the high seas and stop in their ports for inspection. Once there, Royal Navy agents would take their time searching the ship's contents, sometimes using X-ray machines, to check for contraband. This action went against the usual principles of international law and freedom of the seas, although London paid for most of the confiscated cargoes.

>London also arbitrarily expanded the doctrine of continuous voyage as interpreted by the US during the Civil War. Neutral European states such as Denmark and the Netherlands began buying large quantities of goods which they had had little interest in before, for example imports of lard from the US to Denmark, previously almost zero, shot up overnight to 22 million pounds. Naturally, some of it managed to find its way into Germany. As such, Britain limited imports to prewar quantities and confiscated or diverted the rest. Once again, American protests were sounded, but London agreed to compensate them.

>The United States had a quite formidable navy by 1914 and Washington could have sent armed escorts to protect shipping if necessary, this would have likely caused Britain to back down. After all, the British relied heavily on American imports to sustain their war effort and could not afford to alienate the US. However, since overall public sympathy was on the side of the Entente, Washington wished to keep positive relations going with London. Aside from that, German unrestricted submarine warfare was far more shocking and offensive to Americans.

>>76999524

Not so strange with video game like the last batelfield , but it is really a shame that even French people start to believe there lie :(

French group destroy the lane of german with the general Foch before the coming of American . Defend against an enemy for 4 year troughs millions of death French people and mutilated French people were all the other country around had just fall against them , but we do nothing . Make me really sad

>>76996101
Personally, I'm more interested in where does the "le France fought like pussies during WWII" myth comes from. They did a way better job than poles resisting blitzkrieg. I think the shock was that they were considered to have the best army in the world just before the war (when in fact it really wasn't) and they still had to surrendered.

>>76993734
>Vietnam

Cucked.

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>>76993634
>Most Germans are from muslim countries

>>77002727
But I do speak German. And the Germans worshipped us.

>>76995873

if we think it happened, then it happened. suck it bidetnigger

It was a collaborative effort from ally members. If it wasn't for the US supplying the Soviets then they would have lost probably

idk talking shit

>>77004404
It's what people say who don't know much about the war. All they know are the phrases "Maginot Line" and "flank'd". It's the last bits of collective memory that remain from the older WWII propaganda reels, which are biased but more accurate in many respects than what is produced now in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR1fP8TvM-k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_Conquer_(film)

>The film's story of France begins in 1914 at the Battle of the Marne. The offensive-minded spirit of French general Ferdinand Foch is emphasized: "My right is driven in, my center is giving way, the situation is excellent, I attack!" (the original in French is displayed on-screen). The film then goes on to describe the defensive orientation of 1930s France, exemplified by the Maginot Line. This is explained as being primarily due to the 6 million casualties which France suffered in World War I, but also due to factors including Nazi fifth column activities, political corruption and greedy vested interests.

>>77001135

WW1 yeah for sure. Germany was a goner.

WW2.. harder to say. Russia would definetely have a much harder time that's for sure.

As to the overall war.. Its really hard to tell since it's another feature of America missing the war is that the allied invasion of sicily would probably not have been feasible. And it's hard to get a picture of how Italy would have an impact if the Allies didn't liberate them from Mussolini's dictatorship.

Italians sadly get the worst of it since Allied propaganda and accounts were deliberately construed to make Italy look like a joke. They were after all the origin of the fascism in Naxi Germany and Hitler had some fantasy notion that they were the descendants of ancient Romans which is what he modeled the Third Reich on.

On top of that, the early German accounts of Italy were at first seemingly inflated, but turned sharply around to remember them as worthless, lazy cowards. The problem was that the Italian King surrendered on behalf of Italy and so the Germans who fought and survived the war were extremely bitter and felt deeply betrayed by their former comrades. Even Hitler would blame his defeat on the Italians being a drain on Germany. But this was just Hitler being Hitler. Still , that's all we're left to go on since nobody can be bothered to read Italian lol.

In all likelihood the Italians were a reasonable fighting force. So if they were left in the war fighting alongside Germany.. Well. Who knows.

>>77002673

Yeah. This.

>>77005002

*Hitler held the fantasy notion that the modern day Italians were the direct descendants of the ancient Romans I mean

>>76987346
facts

>>77004404

People back then thought a little differently from us.

Back then surrendering under any circumstance was a very disgraceful thing.

But thanks to France, we now know surrendering without a fight is perfectly normal. Oui, c'est la vie

>>76987346
>meme

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>>77005267
Right.
The Germans carpet bombed complete cities into ashes. What are you going to do as government? You are out of options real quick.

>>76987010
>people

You mean Americans?

>>77005428

I'm not saying I disagree with France.

With the handicap of hindsight, I could it would have been possible to hold out.

The British had a small expeditionary force on their way. It wouldn't have done much by itself to relieve the besieged city, but the Germans had no way of knowing and would have to reconsider their position and strategy nonetheless by the arrival of the British troops.

Hitler was very cautious not to make any risky moves in the early years without full knowledge of the situation. I base his strategy off his later decisions not to pursue the cornered British as they were fleeing back to England.

Moreover the politician at least were more fearful than tactical in their deliberations. Would you think Germany invaded France to conquer ash and ruin?

This carpet bombing cannot keep up. All it served to do was intimidate the politicians and it did. Had they a stiffer upper lip, they could have just put up with it like the British.

You can't help but note: a LOT of the French everything - military, infrastructure, whatever - was still intact at the point of their surrender.


Then of course, had I been there at the time id probably just have been as scared out of my wits as they were.

assuming I was French

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>ITT: people believe anyone but the jews won WW2

USA ruined WW2, desu.

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>>76987010
>>76987038

Holywood

>>77003634
>German agent accidentally left his briefcase on a railroad car in New York City
sure...

>>77000621
>The sinking of the lusitania which brought the Americans into the war did not change the fates for Germany by the time it happened.
That's a myth though. The ship was a legit military target so sinking it was justified. However it didn't really improved the German-American relationship
Also the ship was sunk in 1915, two years before the USA entered the war

Without America, Germany would have won. Without Russia, Germany would have won. Without Britain, Germany would have won.
Some did more than others, but without any of the major players the war would've been lost.

t. WW2 buff

>>77009273
>Without Britain, Germany would have won
lol, that's funny

America funded the entire thing and rebuilt it as well
The Ruskies did okay and were helped by America and that's pretty much it tbf
Swooped in and saved the day, don't get triggered

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>>77009273
>British """victories"""

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>>77009273
>Without Britain, Germany would have won.

>>77009424
the true kino anglo retreat was Gallipoli

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>>77004404
>I'm more interested in where does the "le France fought like pussies during WWII" myth comes from
French '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Resistance''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

>>77009273
>Without America, Germany would have won.
Thanks God that Burgers were attacked by Japanese. That helped A LOT. Sure, they didn't really fight Hitler like Europeans but they did their job. Yes, it was for the sake of defending their Pacific Ocen positions, doesn't matter because the result. Literally saved our far East from a terrible invasion.

>Without Britain, Germany would have won
Elaborate.

>>77009562
Burgers were gearing up to join anyway, that's part of the reason why Japan attacked

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>>77009273
>Without America, Germany would have won
>>>>>>>>Without Britain, Germany would have won.

>>76994206
We really suffered

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>be euroshart
>start both world wars because "muh petty regional beef"
>stalemates across the board because europeons can't do anything right
>be America
>supply the allied forces with tanks, warships, trucks, artillery, pretty much every kind of aid including food
>become the life-line of the massively cucked Eurotarded forces who can't compete with Germany and are having their countries reduced to rubble
> America finally get boots on the ground in a crucial moment and end a war they never started in the first place
>rebuild western Europe and install NATO
>put military bases all over Europe and make sure EU plebs can't take the world for another spin over some spilled milk
>EU is now incredibly peaceful and Europeans unironically talk about "EU pride" and comradery
>be current year
>be eurofaggot
>hop on to American website to tell American's that they didn't do anything in a war eurotards started

Europeans everyone

>>77009975
Canada tried to get to you guys earlier with a landing at Dieppe. It went very poorly

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>>77009975
It wouldn't surprise me if more of us died at the eastern front than during the German invasion kek

>Americans think they were the only ones in the Pacific
>Americans think they were the only ones in Vietnam

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>>77010133
>American website

>>77010260
>AMERICA WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE US! THEY SUCK!

I love how all the western countries consume copious amounts of American culture/entertainment and then turn around and flame America 24/7 and talk about how we don't acknowledge you guys or we're wrong in our thinking in some areas. But secretly you'll let a Freudian slip like this come out and reveal that you just want to be acknowledged by us and potentially sexually dominated by us.

>>77010417
think you're adding in a few things I never said there buddy

the only people that won were the jews

>>77010314
"Christopher Poole (born c. 1988)[1] is an American entrepreneur. He is best known for founding two web sites, 4chan and Canvas"

>>76987010
>myth
I'm sure that Russia would've totally won a two front war against Japan and Germany. I'm sure it would've defeated the Japanese navy. I'm sure that the mighty Russian strategic aviation would've been able to bomb the German industry to ruins. I'm sure that Russia would've won Kursk with those extra German divisions that were sent to fight the Allies in Italy present. I'm sure that Russia would've fared well without Lend-Lease. Oh wait.

This whole argument is retarded, because in the war, both the US and USSR wouldn't have won without the other one joining in.

>>76996504
>>76996391
You know this is a troll graph from Krautchan?

Hitler was actually a British/Jewish plant with the sole intention of furthering the grip of the elite Jews on global governments and banking. The end goal was basically to make anti-semitism a crime so that nobody would stand in their way when they decided to form the EU as a test for their eventual globalist apocalypse.

They weaken countries using multiculturalism (specifically muslim) and crashing currencies/markets (see George Soros). The second world war was also a way for them to establish the state of Israel. Think about it, it makes complete sense. They are also pushing open borders/leftist propaganda onto young westerners using media and pop culture. They target this audience because they know that the more left and "liberal" the country is in the future the more open they are to their eventual globalist demise.

>>77010133
>be amerishart
>try to sit out both world wars because "muh shekel" opportunities and you can't tell the difference between good and evil
>only join after being attacked because too lazy to be proactive
>make a half-assed effort to cash in on the war by supplying the allied forces with tanks, warships, trucks, artillery, pretty much every kind of aid including food. Other countries also do the same thing and contributions from Aus, Can, India, etc outnumber those from USA
> America finally get boots on the ground after being forced into the war by Japan
>rebuild western Europe and install NATO all with the end goal of enriching themselves at the cost of Europe
>put military bases all over Europe and make sure only American plebs can take mostly defenseless nations for another spin over some spilled milk
>America is now incredibly 3rd world and Americans unironically talk about "muh Ameriga" and freedom
>be current year
>be amerifaggot
>steal Japanese website to try and spread your propaganda then sell website back to a Jap

Americans everyone

>>77010417
What culture and entertainment?

>>77010484
Americ didnt do shit

The most epic war in human history was eastern front in WW2. Shame that the good guys lost.

>>77010590
>Try to sit out both world wars
says Canada? We're across the Atlantic, are we supposed to send a ground army to help fight a slow-moving drawn out war that we didn't start?
>only join after being attacked
yeah and then we took Japan off the map? And then moved into Europe?
>Other countries also do the same thing and contributions from Aus, Can, India, etc outnumber those from USA
"When these other countries supply the allied forces that's because they're good guys, but when America does it, it's because they're bad guys" "When I combine a bunch of other countries aid, it outnumbers America" does you mother know you're on the internet right now? Jesus Christ

>make a half-assed effort to cash in on the war by supplying the allied forces
You have serious mental problems friend
>rebuild western Europe and install NATO all with the end goal of enriching themselves at the cost of Europe
Europe was a powder keg that took the world to 2 world wars, what the fuck are you on about Canacuk? Does stopping more Eurowars translate to "enriching themselves" And yet Europe is doing so well right now, EVIL AMERICA

>put military bases all over Europe and make sure only American plebs can take mostly defenseless nations for another spin over some spilled milk

elaborte please

>America is now incredibly 3rd world and Americans unironically talk about "muh Ameriga" and freedom

"incredibly third world now" Are you one of those tards who talks about how great America was, but now isn't? It's pretty much the same.

>steal Japanese website to try and spread your propaganda then sell website back to a Jap
"spread propaganda"
I hope you're trolling with this statement m8, you can't be this much of an edgy jaded faggot to think me defending my country is "spreading propaganda" unless you think moot was "spreading propaganda"

>>76992336
Stop making us shrill for you guys.

>>77011152
>seriously replying to it

>>77010619
>cul·ture
ˈkəlCHər/Submit
noun
1.
the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

>en·ter·tain·ment
ˌen(t)ərˈtānmənt/Submit
noun
the action of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment

Culture = you guys copy all our trends and memes
Entertainment =
You wank to our porn
You watch our movies
You watch our TV shows
You go on to our websites (pretty much all the popular social websites are American)
You play our Video games
You listen to our music (American music is played everywhere, even at restaurants in Asia)
etc

>>77011294
Oh am I getting trolled? Just realized he said "enriching themselves at the cost of Europe" fugg I fell for the bait

>>76995535
There is the problem: you are claiming that war was only important, to ensure that france stays democratic.
Not defeating Germany of Italy, but securing France.
That's what you guys did.
But we were defeated by russians, as early as the first winter season happened.
In Summer 42 we only had a third of our divisions able for offensive combat

>>77011532
>You wank to our porn
No we don't wank to your cuckold porn, amateur porn all the way
>You watch our movies
Lol cape shit can go to hell
>You watch our TV shows
Anime isn't yours.
>You go on to our websites
4chan is Japanese now
>You play our Video games
Japanese and Eastern European games aren't "yours"
>You listen to our music
French house isn't American like you can see from the name

Also WW2 was won by the soviets lmao how that undeniable fact triggers amerifats

The only time I ever see anyone discuss WWII online is "did you know that America didn't win it all by themselves?". It's bizarre, you're fighting against an argument that doesn't exist.

>>77011716
Please remove the proxy, Pytor. We're not that dumb.

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>>77011808
It's not only American problem but people really are stupid

>>77011873
Kek, that 3% of French people who probably answered France

American Lend Lease to soviets

>427,284 trucks
>13,303 combat vehicles
>35,170 motorcycles
>2,328 ordnance service vehicles
>2,670,371 tons of petroleum products
>4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs
>1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars

British deliveries to soviets

>3,000+ Hurricanes
>4,000+ other aircraft
>27 naval vessels
>5,218 tanks
>5,000+ anti-tank guns
>4,020 ambulances and trucks
>323 machinery trucks
>2,560 Universal Carriers
>1,721 motorcycles
>600 radar and sonar sets
>Hundreds of naval guns
>15 million pairs of boots

Reminder that Nazi Germany would have easily destroyed slavshits without anglo help

>russians still think they were the ones who "won" WW2

lmao

>>77011808
It's kind of like when you see someone claim "Did you know America didn't win the Vietnam War?" where you're also fighting an argument that doesn't exist.

I remember the start of Iraq war in 2003 and holy lol at American media. It was buttmad at European countries that thought that the invasion was retarded and how "without us you'd be speaking German" was often repeated line.

>>77011940
At the end of the day the Russians are the ones who had to actually use that equipment and kill the Germans.

>>77011968
Don't confuse one ultra right-wing media outlet with the entire American media.

>>77011986
>Don't confuse one ultra right-wing media outlet with the entire American media.

It wasn't just fow news you know. Our media wrote extensively about your media at the time. For example I remember that old guy from 60 minutes being butthurt about frenchies refusing to go to Iraq and how they should be thankful to US abloo bloo muh normandy. It was hilarious in a very sad way.

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>>77011940
You do realise the vast majority of LL arrived when the Soviets were already counter attacking? It might have shortened the war considerably, but to say the Soviets would have lost without it is completely retarded

So many butthurt putler drones in this thread.

>>77009170

I stand corrected. It undeniably served as a strong catalyst however. Arguably the strongest reason they had, despite how weak it is. The lusitania was a military target actually only according to Germany's definition (which nobody else subscribed to), even then I can hardly understand how some dumb boat getting sunk in the middle of nobody cares could very much relate to the average person. Expecting something like that to matter seems to me like the kind of notion that a rich detached aristocrat could come up with. So I suspect the Brits probably were trying their best to drag america in. Maybe, I dunno. Don't really care if I'm honest.

>>77012124
Even Georgi Zhukov admitted that victory would have been impossible without LL.

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>>77013554
Zhukov was an Patton tier idiot
He was one of the low quality generals remained after stalin massacred all good guys.

>>77011940
>Reminder that Nazi Germany would have easily destroyed slavshits without anglo help
Not at all. By the time Lend Lease started, Stalingrad and Kursk had already been won. Lend Lease just shortened the war by six months.

>>77012176
"If their opinions differ from my opinions, they must be putinshills"
You butthurtbeltians always find a way to be butthurt over nothing, literally nobody supports modern day Russia in this thread.

>>77012176
Finland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Estonia are unironically rightful Russian clay.

>>77013554

People express the opinions all the time in History. Doesn't mean they're right. Yeah, he was the commander, but he also had an obligation to be polite/gracious.

If we took people's word for it without examining the facts we're just going to assume the Italians were all just a bunch of cry babies who their subordinate German commanders had to prop up entirely throughout. It's really unfair to them.

Even now anons just talk in terms of "if x happened would Germany have won the war". What about Italy? Everyone brushes them off as inconsequential based on some consensus that they were truly in fact as worthless as the accounts claim them to be. And you can imagine why the italian politicians that sold them out in the first place might be all too willing to go along with the Allied official narrative which had no reason to change. Bastards.

>>77011873
Clearly it's Italy who did the most, by being unsuccessful in every fucking way for the nazis

>>77013512
>The lusitania was a military target actually only according to Germany's definition (which nobody else subscribed to)
Why? It transported ammunition and was therefore a military target. That the Brits thought putting civilians on it was a good idea to stop the Germans from torpedoing it is on them, not germany.

http://archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html
>Ever since the ship went down, there have been suspicions that Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of war, that would have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans maintained at the time.
>"Further research needs to be conducted, but if the discovered ammunition was found in an area where cargo was not known to be stored on board, it strongly supports the argument that the Lusitania was functioning as more than a passenger liner,"
>"The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid," says Bemis. "She was a legitimate target for the German submarine."

>>77014033

In fact, in my opinion, Italy never "surrendered" just so they could "join the winning side". It is such a load of rubbish and entirely unfair to them. What happened is the story of Italy's Civil War. Their men fought all the way and weren't just "rescued" by some feckless American teenagers came in to run the clown Mussolini out of town. A mere footnote, stopover before going on to the main event with Hitler. No, obviously the Italians would have been the ones fighting the hardest for their freedom. But now we'll scarcely get to know what even happened at all because it's all buried thick under a load of allied propaganda bullshit and German trash talk plus the fact of nobody possessing the apparentlh extremely rare ability to be able to give a crap about those looney clowns anyway.

Hitler wouldn't have liked this!! People should respect Hitler's wishes to exalt the great Roman descebdants!! And I think Polska should be the ones to deal with the pizza twirlers to find out what happened as reparations for starting the war to begin with. They're used to living in a third world country anyway.

>>77014744

Well, I maintain they certainly wouldn't have agreed to Germany saying so. (even though it is true. and they probably knew)

So as a driving catalyst for American entry into the war, it's still a valid inference imo.

Just because Bush lied about WMDs. And there were in fact none. Doesn't mean that the discovery of WMDs wasn't the reason Bush invaded iraq.

You gotta be sharp there Poirot.

>>77015130
>Well, I maintain they certainly wouldn't have agreed to Germany saying so.
But they did?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania#Aftermath
>Lusitania was indeed officially listed as an auxiliary war ship,[69] and her cargo had included an estimated 4,200,000 rounds of rifle cartridges, 1,250 empty shell cases, and 18 cases of non-explosive fuses, which was openly listed as such in her cargo manifest.[70][71] The day after the sinking, The New York Times published full details of the ship's military cargo.[72]

>>77013736
>finland, estonia
No

The same way the Great Patriotic War was used to justify the lies of Communism.

Propaganda.

>>76995873
>France
>doing anything

>>76995941
>be Soviets
>ferociously fight the Germans for five years, finally pushing them back by the day, losing millions of men
>fat retards crash into a beach on the opposite side of the theatre and claim the win for themselves

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>>77015656
Y?

>>77014744
>That the Brits thought putting civilians on it was a good idea to stop the Germans from torpedoing it is on them, not germany.
They did not actually want to prevent the torpedoing.
The #1 goal of Britain in both world wars was always to get the US involved on their side.
If a couple thousand civilians needed to die to serve for effective propaganda that didn't matter.
The Brits actually mined the remains of the Lusitania after it was sunk to make sure people wouldn't discover proofs of the ammunition transported on it and how they tricked the US into going to war.
Britain really is a most perfidious entity

>>77015598

Well, they admitted after the war. Means, categorically, they were in denial during the war, which was when it mattered in influencing the American entry into the war.

What I'm trying to say here is: the event of [the sinking of the lusitania by Germany] was a direct catalyst to [the American entry into the war] based on whatever their notions or beliefs over what that dumb boat carrying American puppies and kittens or whatever contained.

If the acknowledged that it was simply a fair target, then obviously there'd be no case left for the war.

Not least because without the lusitania kittens drowning story, it's simply going to be vvery hard for cure pro-war canp to convince very loud and angry mobs of little that America should enter the damnable war on the basis of : "we should do the right thing, a-yup! "

Bah. Whatever. I'm going to bed. Somebody arm Polska with a toilet brush and point them to Italy for me.

>>76995824
that's literally justified

>>77013655
Stalingrad and Kursk were won in 1943.

As you can see here
>>77012124
The Soviets already got 100k combat vehicles, 70k normal vehicles in the first half of 1942.

>>76987010
They made the movies, and we watched them.

Also, they established world dominance after that war and had the power to meddle with anyone anywhere with only the USSR in the way and after that ended they were the sole masters of the world.

So, I guess that in a way they DID won WW2

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>>77016041
Yeah i read about that as well
billtotten.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/lusitania-sinking-truth-and-myths/
They even found an unexploded depth charge, i wonder how that ended up there and by (((who)))

>>77016076
They knew perfectly well that it was a military target. British lies and propananda don't change that fact. If the Germans would have torpedoed it for shit and giggles there would be no reason at all for the USA not to declare war on Germany. But they didn't, therefore both sides knew perfectly well the action was justified
Also pic related; they explicitly warned US civilians not to board that ship

Ah yes the German dindus have arrived
>W-we didn't give Austria a blank cheque
>W-we didn't turn down peace negotiations
>W-we invaded neutral Belgium legitimately, dindu nuffin
God how I hate krauts

>>76989231
this THIS

>>77010484
>thinking the Japanese army, navy and Air Force was going to be a menace after running out of resources.
>the same Japanese armed forces that thought they would conquer Manchuria in a month and suddenly found themselves fighting a longer war against Chinese farmers
>the same armed forces that couldn't even beat the aussies in the South Pacific
>the same armed forces who got their asses kicker in Galjin Gol

Also:
>forgetting about how much of a mess was Hitler's chain of command
>forgetting how inept Goering was dealing with the British
>North Africa
Stick to yoghurt Bulgaria