It's easier to go to Uruguay now. Is it worth to migrate

>>76959666
do you speak spanish?

>>76959741
Nah, but I can survive with Portuñol. I understand them perfectly.

>>76959759
Most spanish-speaking people hate portunhol, we might understand them easily but they can't understand portuguese very well. So you should learn spanish before going there.

>>76959666
it depends

>>76959666
No and this place is shit.

>>76964863
Tell moar

>>76964954
this place is really, really shit, very shitty, shittiest shit ever

that's about it

>>76965036
i had a seminary teacher who went and taught mormonism to your country for two years
he said you guys have amazing burgers

>>76965036
So, why not coming to Brazil?

Do you have crazy amounts of money
if yes its worth to get a summer home there

>>76959666
Are you black?
If you are not going to black them it's no fun

I saw videos of Montevideo on YouTube and I was surprised to see how trashed the whole place was, like it's an abandoned city where nothing has been repaired or built for decades. It's definitely above your average South American hellhole, but I thought it would be something nice like Buenos Aires.

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>>76965036
>>76964954
ok i was just gonna leave at that poor trolling attempt but im gonna explain:

in all, absolutely all of latin america, there's this thing called "inequality"

if you have a decent job, if you work your fucking ass off, you're upper middle class and you have a nice life, people that is ignorant and poor, well, theyll always be poor cuz they deserve it

NOT SO FAST not in here

in here, our COMMIE government will TAX the shit out of you just for having a job. Highest tax rates in the planet just after Sweden and Norway. Your money goes into "dem programs for da poor" your money gets lost in the jungle of unknown social justice muh program warriors (they really spend it all on wine and prostitutes, FACT)

and THAT'S how we're the country with less poor and more middle class in the planet, by THEFT

sounds liek a paradise doesnt it? no one is technically poor cuz they have all their needs covered with money the state stole from decent working individuals

>>76965071
i should, i should move there desu

>>76965060
that's the only good thing you'll find here, by law (yes, our Big Brother Guv is in this too) cattle cannot be fed with anything that is not natural, absolutely natural grass, so in the end you have the most perfect organic steaks you'll find anywhere (i'm kind of ok with this desu)

and who the fuck cares about that, not gonna change the fact that our Government is a parasitic organization leeching off the population more than any other government in the face of the earth

>>76965206
our commie government can't even fix the trash problem cuz the syndicates will strike once a week, and that's totally cool CUZ COMMUNNISM MOTHAFUCKA, LETS JSUT STRIKE FUCK YEAH WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT TRASH, I DESERVE A BETTER WAGE THATN ANYONE ELSE WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING

communist government in a nutshell, they have 3M population as hostages

>>76965402
>and THAT'S how we're the country with less poor and more middle class in the planet, by THEFT

i mean to say South America, ofc we're not the country with less poor in the planet, my brain is quite tired right now

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>>76965402
are you autist or something?

>>76965596
>carefully explained why you can't progress in this country and the reason people end up emigrating from this country
>called an autist

and that's why Brazil is even worse than us

>>76965402
WONDERFULLY American post

>>76965402
>no one is poor
Sounds like a success then? Do third worlders really fall for the "free market" meme this hard?

>>76965757
yeah everybody is slightly above poor
thanks communism

>>76965402
Sounds great to me but I'm into that shit.

>>76965789
Sounds good then. Most people end up poor anyway because of the Jews. For everyone to be able say they aren't starving or in poverty regardless of occupation or employment is impressive. "Muh stagnancy" is indicative of someone suffering from terrible "anyone can be wealthy with hard work" delusion.

>>76965851
>wanna change places then

>>76965757
you didnt get it
no one is rich either, once you reach a certain "richness" level (usually by working your ass off, or by investing and risking your life's money) Big Brother Government will come and tax you to hell, cuz you already are "too rich" and you end up again being middle class and your money going for dem programs, wine and prostitutes

>>76965851
>Most people end up poor anyway because of the Jews.
lol
>>76965874
careful, he might learn something

>>76965890
hes an american communist, dont try to talk reason to him

>>76965890
There are rich Norwegians and rich Swedes, so I'm fairly sure you're talking out of your ass about some kind of upper limit to wealth. You also seem to think middle class is something to be avoided.

>here comes the american with two cars and two store houses talk about how great socialism is
oh boy i love those

>>76965956
I think he's saying it's unfair for people honestly working their asses off, and competing with the business down the road and winning to not get their deserved riches

>>76965979
That's not true in America anymore. Our middle class has been dying since the recession.

>>76966002
better seize the means of production then brother, le revolution waits

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>>76965904
>>76965979

yeahh... those First World communists are everywhere nowadays... i wish they should just come spend a season in this communist paradise if they hate their country so much... but ofc, that won't happen

>>76965985
>hard work leads to wealth
lol
>not get their deserved riches
but they are? 60% of a larger number is still larger than 60% of a smaller number.

someone has to shop that pic of "bad times create strong men, strong men create good times, ..." but with capitalism and socialism

>>76966038
who are you even quoting? get me some context here

>>76966073
You.

>>76966034
nothing says anarcho communism better than apple iphones and living in europe

>>76966034
Different fag here. I would unironically love to come live in Uruguay.

>>76966082
>>hard work leads to wealth
not something that I said, and with >not get their deserved riches
it seems you imply working harder does not mean you deserve a bigger reward

>but they are? 60% of a larger number is still larger than 60% of a smaller number.
I don't get this either. Are you refering to some tax rate? Because tax rates scale exponentially with money, there's almost no country in the region with flat rates
the tax pressure here means you spend like 50% of your time in work just to cover taxes

>>76966155
Hard work does not beget wealth because hard work is not deserving of wealth.
I don't understand what comparison you're trying to make. Unless Uruguay has an income cutoff where literally every single penny after is taken as tax, there is no way a more successful business is going to forcefully be made equal to a smaller shittier business.

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>>76966124
are you already rich? are you ok with the only thing to do here is smoking weed in the beach 5 months per year, and then freeze to death for 7 months in a place that looks like some post-apocalyptic dystopia?

then this place is for you

if you're thinking of coming here to WORK forget it, you're gonna end up earning less than being a pizza delivery in the USA, after all the taxes

>>76966266
>earning less
*having less disposable income than being a pizza delivery in the USA.

>>76966313
Are you some sort of idiot?


Uruguay is very expensive to live in, high taxes, expensive rent and housing, food is more expensive than the latam average.
I believe they also have the highest suicide rate in Latin America.
It's lovely in the summer but very depressing during the cold months.
Crime is on the rise too, Mújica really set them back.

>>76966467
>we have no poor people

>>76966484
your ''poor'' people have cars and houses with a garden, they shoot each other because they want to

>>76966496
The Uruguayan poster said Uruguay has no poor people.

>>76966484
Different person you tried to quote.
Our poor people live in the streets or on favelas, they struggle day to day to find food.
Their children don't go to school, they turn to drugs and crime.
Your poor people get an education, they have food.
Your homeless have mental problems, a few streets from my place there's a young couple with kids living on some mats in the street.
Our truths aren't your truths.
Our salaries are different, our cost of living, our unemployment rates, crime rates, government policies.

>>76966518
we're all poor compared to your "poor"
i was referring to South America

how dumb can first worlders be, i guess they just can't grasp what third world is, i guess they've never left their basement after all

>>76966537
Argentina isn't Uruguay so I don't really care about what you have to say about Argentina. Sorry.

>>76966576
>Argentina isn't Uruguay
loving every laugh

>>76966570
Do you still have people dying of starvation in the streets, or does the terrible government provide welfare enough that even the unemployed are not going to starve to death? From your description it sounds like the latter.

>>76966576
Uruguay is little Argentina, we are very similar with several differences.
They are like our Canada to your US.

And what I said is the Latin America standard.

>>76966593
nobody dies of starvation in the streets anywhere you dumb american

>>76966648
People die in the streets here every day though?

>>76966593
they do get food and money! they do get shelter! and why should i pay for it! they do nothing but spend the food stamps on wine! they will never progress, because they don't want to! they're also the ones that have kids! 70% of the kids under 5 years old right now are born in families on food stamps! middle class couples have 0-1 kids while poor people have 4

i just don't see how socialist policies will solve ANYTHING m8, it wont, it's been 20 years now, the left has not solved the problem, they've just covered the sun with a finger, those families that have been given lots of money in social programs are not improving

and if this socialist "experiment" didn't work here, it won't work anywhere else in South America

well, maybe in Chile, because they have so much money to spend, because of all the natural riches they've got, but i'll need a Chilean anon to enlighten me on what social class has the most kids there

i doubt it tho

>>76966699
Those are gunshot and police brutality deaths though

>>76966699
not of starvation
homeless people drinking too much hand-sanitizer or dying from the cold, sure

>>76966699
more people die in uruguay of starvation than in the usa

>>76966725
Our homeless literally starve or die of preventable illness. Or cold.
>>76966715
So you're saying no one in your country ever needs to worry about food, shelter, medical care, etc? What a fucking miserable hellhole!!

>>76966753
do you legitmelly think that uruguay is above the USA in any rank

>>76966699
they most likely die because of eating bad food

>>76966753
yeah, those that enjoy free food, shelter and medical care dont need to worry about working either, because i'll pay for it

at this point i think you're trolling me

>>76966761
I would rather be a poorfag with no degree or prospects in a country where I don't need to worry about getting sick, losing my job because lol right-to-work, and becoming homeless in Uruguay than here. I would rather be a trust fund kiddie in USA than Uruguay.

>>76966809
you have absolutelly no idea how the world works friend im sorry

>>76966809
bro please stop
you're about to seriously give me an aneurysm

>>76966841
Not an argument.

>>76966809
That stuff in Uruguay?
You'll be some criminal or get shanked by one, educated people will avoid you like the plague, over saturate a flawed system that promotes inequality and laziness, die young of some disease because you don't have access to quality healthcare and your diet will mostly consist of cheap alcohol and junk food, or die of violence.
Also live in a very shitty "house".


You are just proving American socialists or communists or whatever you are just want things handed to them without working a day in their lives.

>>76966865
have you ever seen a southamerican public hospital, or how the people on welfare live

>>76966883
Have you seen how people on welfare live here? Actual people you can relate to like single adult males? Or the free "clinics" and other bedbug infested shitholes you have to use when you have no insurance here?
I would rather be poor in a country with a large safety net than poor in a country with none.

t. grew up homeless and know what this is like

Not even this berniecucl, but I can 100% guarantee all you sudacas ITT are richer than average.

Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Peru, and Chile have all benefited immensely in social stability because of the "socialist" economic policies that lowered your inequality rates.

Chile and Brazil are still African-tier inequality to be fair.

>>76966943
damn you really have no idea how things work here

>>76966971
same to you.

>>76966969
Yeah we benefited so hard were in the biggest crisis in the history of this country because of it, wish we had more

>>76966943
i know it must be shit to be homeless and it's sad that you have to go through that but you have to understand that to most people you don't matter just like they don't matter to you and they don't want to have their money being taken away just to pay for someone they don't know and the only thing they have related is having been born in the same country

hola

>>76966969
Have you seen our inflation?
Our economy is in the shitter.
Our crime rates are increasing rapidly.
Growing inequality.
We aren't even properly industrialized.

>>76966943
The "safety net" is made of shitty material and has a bunch of holes, expect to wait an entire day in the waiting room for a doctor.

>>76966987
american ghettos have pavement, electricity and running water lol

>>76967054
>wait an entire day to see a doctor
Again, at least your poor people have that option. Poor murrifats do not unless they also wait for hours and hours in an emergency room that will only pile more debt upon them.

>>76967088
If you have nothing to lose, then the debt doesn't matter. You'll still get treated -- with the exception of major surgeries.
When I was young, a family member was treated twice for cancer. We were 100k in medical debt on a 20k annual income. We were too poor to declare bankruptcy.
The debt went away, we never paid a dime, and my parents have built their credit back up.

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>Be a kid
>Read about old Argentina/Uruguay
>Fall in love with it, fantasize about actually moving there
>Present day
Fuck you guys for ruining it I wanted to marry some kike and start a business and stuff now I'm a neet and it's all your fault.

>>76967173
Well, there were 6 successful coups in less than 50 years.

>>76967088
what's wrong with that
I FUCKING WORK MY ASS OFF TO PAY MY PRIVATE MEDICAL CARE BUT I GET RIPPED OFF SO NOT ONLY ME BUT EVERYONE CAN HAVE MEDICAL CARE

>this guy thinking public healthcare in latin america is mildly decent
cannot fabricate

>>76967166
Good thing you never had any dental problems.

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>>76967247
yeah, Americans, or any first worlders for that matter have any fucking idea how this continent looks like or how hard is to achieve things

>>76967283
Oh, my teeth are shit, no doubt.
I'll have to figure out a way to pay to fix them.

>>76967247
>this guy thinks public healthcare in USA exists

>>76967314
so would you really want to live in a violent favela/villa, pay astronomically high taxes, maybe have no running water in your house, so that when you get sick you have to wait 2 months so that they can put you in a shitty bed in the corridor because there are no rooms available, so they can tell you that theres no money to pay for the machines so you cant get fixed

>>76967350
I have never even considered Brazil an option in this entire conversation. Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

>>76967367
oh so you believe the uruguay is paradise on earth meme

>>76967375
I believe Uruguay is better than Brazil yeah.

>>76967395
youre saying uruguay is better than the USA and i can assure you it isnt
but whatever believe in whatever you want

>>76967367
>>76967395
Public healthcare is pretty much the same all across the region.
Ours is strained and inefficient and poor people from other countries come and use ours.
Our public healthcare is not Europe's.
Ours is unable to service everyone so expect a very long wait list, underfunded, technology years behind what you would see in the US, old buildings that aren't maintained.
If you want quality health service, you need to have private health care.

>>76967367
Uruguay isnt much better
>>76967375
this guy is right
>>76967395
it is NOT much better
you'll be taken care off at once because Montevideo has the same population than Manhattan but that's about it, it would be the same shitty bed

>>76967451
I gave you a specific circumstance where Uruguay would be better than the USA. Uruguay is not the only country that is better than the USA for poorfags with no hope. Brazil is just Africa tier when it comes to that.
>>76967455
Sounds like medicaid healthcare here.

>>76967505
fine whatever believe in whatever you want, just actually travel around a bit so you dont learn everything about a country from /int/

>>76967458
specially if you're on PUBLIC healthcare
if you're a decent person you'd have PRIVATE medical care, but ofc, that is oppressive and capitalistic and racist and sexist and privileged and *insert more leftist buzzwords here*

but don't worry, i'll pay with my taxes you can be attended by public healthcare at once

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>>76967505
All right, be poor and move to Uruguay, here's what you'd live in

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>>76967505
i swear to god you need to come to live here and know what it feels like you berniefag

>>76967557
and they have food, and they have healthcare
they have food stamps, they have wine and beer
they have last generation phones and tablets, that they don't need to steal anymore
they have it all
>"why should i work?" they ask themselves, while still living in that shack but having all their basic necessities covered, but with no will to improve
>"lets just fuck" he says to his equally ignorant wife, and just like that, another human being is conceived, little does he know he'll be born into poverty, but sponsored by the leftard government giving his parents food stamps forever, paid by taxpayers

i should just started my first post with that image my argie friend, so the first world retards in this thread knew what i was talking about all along

what silly of me

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>>76967882
teh MARVELS of socialism

>>76959666
No, that's the beauty of this place, it will always be culturally homogeneous because it is not worthy to move here so other cultures won't come here lol
everything's expensive as fuck, salaries are low, right now the only future I see for me are either working for the government and leeching off it (like everyone and their families do), learning a noble profession (smith in my case) or being an unqualified negro jumping from construction site to construction site as a peon
all with hedonism and catching some vile vice to keep yourself sane in this idea that somehow being an independent country was a better choice than being with the argies