>be russia >be the biggest country in world >have gdp

>>76957222
>be Pooland

>>76957222
Russians actually have no excuse

>Large population
>Historically decent education
>That much resource

>>76957263
>aspiring to be in the top of the world

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They're subhumans. What else could you expect from them?

>>76957222
To be fair most of that land is unhabitable wasteland

>>76957222
Not a single non frozing ocean port. We are basicly out of international trade.

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>>76957306
>Swedish empire
Impressive

>>76957312
the problem is not associated with wastelands but specifical mentality of ruskies

>>76957306
>tfw castrated shitty swedish empire
>is no longer empire
>still brag about winning clusterfuck narva was.

>>76957381
indeed. Took land from both Russia and Germany (both countries with much more population us) and managed to stay the dominant power in the region for a century

>>76957396
Tell me a single advantage given by all the territory we have.

>>76957396
Whats wrong with strong spiritual and sharp russian mentality?

>>76957439
Do you imagine this whole population lives om the border and ia concetrated in fighting Sweden? Piotr I was fighting multiple wars at once separated by thousands of kilometres from each other with disasterous logistics

>>76957439
>century
wow its fucking nothing
turtle lives more than your shitpire

>>76957445
chernozems, big rivers, much minerals, gas, fuel , large sea boarder ...

>>76957423
Of course. Swedish soldiers and leadership was much better than yours.

>>76957222
The Russian economy shrank because of the ruble crash. As soon Trump remove the sanctions, the Russian economy will double in size and Russia will be back to the 5th position. Putin is a master chess player, sometimes you have to sacrifice one of your pieces to win.

>>76957470
being cucked by small group of oligarchs since very long time, lack of middle class culture

>>76957539
Saudi Arabia produces the same amount of oil that we do. All oir chernozyoms are concetrated in a thing territory and it has to feed 140mln people. Big rivers don't give anything of value and minerals are not extracted a lot per capita. Not a lot at all.

>>76957539
Also
>large sea border
NOT A SINGLE NON FREEZING OCEAN PORT. It's more like large ice border

>>76957520
>Russian empire
>lasted 2 centuries
Wow its fucking nothing
Some whales lives more than your shitpire

>>76957677
Roman Empire lasted 3 centuries before the split

>>76957611
>Big rivers don't give anything of value
ruski will never think about natural sources of energy

>minerals are not extracted a lot per capita
but can be used to make country richer, but oligarchs don't allow to it

>>76957645
you have Kaliningrad

>>76957677
>Swedish education

>>76957222
Why are Poles so fucking obsessed with Russia?

>>76957568
/thread

>>76957724
russkaya edukacyja:
vodka
pobyeda
stalin
bliny

>>76957724
>Russian empire
>1721-1917
>~197 years
>Bowhead whale
>Can become over 200 years old
>200+>197 years
I'm well educated

>>76957222
Well, desu, South Korea receives shit ton of investment from the West, while Russia is a frozen shithole that has tried to be self-reliable since Stalin times.

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Crapitalism ruined Russia

>>76957911
Holy shit Yeltsin was truly an awful president, asides from being a drunk fuck.

>>76957222
This is mostly because of the weakness of the ruble, which has a poor exchange rate with the USD which is what everything is priced in.

Since the only thing Russia exports that anybody wants is oil and gas and lumber and commodities are cheap as fuck right now, they're GNP is deceptively low.

South Korea exports a lot of finished goods, which makes their currency worth more compared to the dollar.

Russia is kinda screwed there because they're surrounded by countries that already have saturated markets (from their competitors).

>>76957723
We have ones of the most powerful hydro energy plants in the world but it barely gives you anything economically speaking.
>can be used to make countey richer
It's barely enough to keep us fed. The whole Russian Federatiom sold resources of total value of ONLY 3 trillion dollars in 15 years. That's fucking nothing for such country. And Kaliningrad is isolated by hostile countries. It's useless for economy. Logistics basically fuck up any manufacturing business here. Doesn't matter what we do it will be more expensive than eyropean or asian analogs due to inability to orginize efdective logistics over such vasts inhabites territories

>>76957445
Incredibly hard to invade as you only have to retreat deep down in it and wait for everyone to freeze to death to later come back.

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>>76957948
Indeed, fuck Yeltsin

I like Russia though

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>>76957877
>shit ton of investment from the West
South Korea has indigenous international corporations like Samsung and Hyundai. It's not due to investment from the west. Samsung runs parts of the country. Russia on the other hand has African tier economy.

>>76957985
So usefull when it comes to making money, duh

>>76958064
>It's not due
It's not *only due

>>76958110
learn english

>>76958122
Huh? I am a Greek.

>>76958064
Nobody will invest in manufacturing in Russia because it's impossible to orginize effectice logistics here. Modern economy = warm ocean ports and territories. We have mothing of that. Even extracting mineral resources is a challenge here. It's not Saudi Arabia where you just dig a sand and it flows, here you have to drill in permafrost thousands of kilometers away from any civilization to extract dirty shitty and cheaper oil

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>>76957911
oh yes capitalism is the sole factor

>>76957381
Thank fuck it collapsed, it's a shame the mainland population didn't suffer from its sins though. That is, not until now. :^)

>>76957354
Yeah Switzerland is even worse off than y-

>>76958182
The transition from communism to capitalism has devastated the Russian economy, not communism/capitalism itself

>>76958182
Capitalism didn't bring anything good to Russia desu
>>76958205
Switzerland is built in European economical space and it's just next door to the european economical trade hubs. If you produce anything in some Vladimir you have to deliver it to some non freezing port in Poland which is 4000km away, that's uncomparable to Switzerland.

>>76957948
meh, gorby and yeltsin opened the floodgates so i could get the fuck out of that godawful country.
1990's were the best time when russia tried to be friends with the west. then putin and kgb said fuck this, that's weak, we want to be stronk again so fuck the west. wtf do i care anyway.

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The official GDP does not reflected the real size of Russia's economy, as that there is an enormous amount of unrecorded economic activity in Russia, forming the largest underground economy in the world. If this sector would be counted towards GDP calculation, the Russian GDP would grow by $630 billion as of 2011

>>76958072
That's not what you asked, tho, you only asked for one advantage.

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Tired of speaking about it, it's the same shit everyday from ignorant people

"Putin is a nationalist"

"Dugin is a putin's mastermind"

"Russia is a not a cryptocolony"
>>76957278
all three are wrong and doesn't prove anything

you don't know anything

>Large population

is bad when your economy is based on selling resources.

And no, it's not easy to JUST INVENT IPHONE KILLER

>Historically decent education

No, fucking wrong, absolutely. Soviet scum managed to keep decent math and physics but they completely ruined art, literature, history, sociology, genetics, etc.

>That much resource

1) Not "that much" considering number of people we have

2) Not that much considering climate we have (MUCH worse than norwegian or finnish)

3) Not that much considering huge distances between cities, lack of non-freezing ports (river ports and sea ports)

>>76958205

Switzerland is in ideal position you idiot.

Germans, french, italians, austrians go through Switzerland. And they're all historically developed countries, developed for centuries.

>>76958276
It went as it was planned.


>>76958301
Because it's wrong capitalism, it's african capitalism. If we had USA-level capitalism where every nigger has PS4 and an iPhone, we wouldn't complain.

>>76958205
Switzerland has been neutral since 1815, plus it's mountainous terrain has served as a natural defense. That and havinga directdemocratic system and large inmigration from bordering countries has made it economically prosperous

>>76958394
>90's were the best
I remember we literally had no money for food in 97 and 99. Average wage in my city in 99 was 4000 roubles (it was 90$ back then), now it is 40000 roubles (700$) and it was 25000 in 2013 (900$)

>>76957278
They actually do >>76957911 (hint: fall of the USSR)

>>76958445
>It went as it was planned
lmao so the total breakdown in the 90s was all just part of some masterplan? k.

>>76958445
A c чeгo тyт взятьcя нopмaльнoмy кaпитaлизмy? Boт тaк пpocтo пoявятcя хaй тeк пpeдпpиятия? Их гocyдapcтвo дoлжнo пocтpoить? Илм инвecтopы зa гpaницeй peшaт в Oмcкe зaeбeнить зaвoд в 6ти твcячaх килoмeтpaх oт ближaйшeгo пopтa? PФ экoнoмичecкий ayтcaйдep пpocтo пo oпpeдeлeнию.

>>76957222
>Be Russia
>Be a kleptocracy with Soviet era infrastructure where a significant portion of what the country produces disappears in the pockets of oligarchs
>Be a country where the majority of the land is permafrost
>Have a lower GDP than a functional western-style liberal regime with a highly educated population and relatively little corruption
Yeah, I wonder why.

>>76958582
>what the country produces
We have less oil than Saudi Arabia and terrible conditions for any manufacturing industry due to terrible logistics, there is simply no drivers to push our economy.

>>76957312
>Unhabitable wasteland
sounds like a big portion of northern mexico

>>76958301
>Capitalism didn't bring anything good to Russia desu
you wouldn't even have internet access in your soviet russia. but hey, putin is taking it away from you piece by piece anyway.

>>76957381
>19 KB, 280x123

I knew it was small but I didn't realise it was that small.

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>>76957278
In addition:

Since 1917 russia was completely changed.

In 2017 Russia looks more like latin american country.

Like Brazil.

Basically white negroes.

>>76958562
> lmao so the total breakdown in the 90s was all just part of some masterplan? k.

Yes.

2-7 millions of russian elite, their relatives, friends become rich, get an opportunity to visit west and live there.

Rest live in shit in crumbling barracks.

They really planned and they did that. They made their chose, to betray russian people and enjoy vacations in Alps in London while exploited people are dying.

But soon their property will be confiscated because of "criminal russian regime". They will lose everything.


All this happened because, like I said, russian people are white negroes who want to rob their countrymen, sadly.

>>76958668
>We have less oil than Saudi Arabia
Not exactly a low bar, mate. Russia does have significant natural wealth, otherwise oil exports wouldn't be nearly half of your exports. It's just that a lot isn't actually invested in the economy and lines the pockets of a select few.

>>76958692
You can't even pirate music and you tell me about internet freedom.
>you wouldn't even have internet acess
Why lel? Soviet Union wasn't North Korea. If Gorbachyov actually reformed it properly instead of crushing with no survivors we wouldn't face such disaster and you don't know ofc bur when glasnost was anounced there is no doubt we would have internet and even sooner than we acrually did because infrustructure wouldn't be damaged that hard.

>>76958484
i mean politically, not necessarily economically.
we were relatively ok in moscow. back then you could open your own business and make a lot of money. of course a lot of those business were criminal scum, but not everyone was like that. but yeah, i hear life was tough outside moscow and st petersburg. because former commies were still everywhere in the government and they only cared about selling everything off to the west and making a lot of money quickly. it was sad. but you can't blame the west for that.

>>76958784
We are not even in top 10 in oil production per capita. This number is tens times lower here than in Norway. We export around 150billion $ of oil every year. That's nothing for 140mln country.

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>>76958692
picrel

>>76958784
I think our best result possible is economic success of Slovakia or Czechia or Poland.

Russia cannot be as rich as Netherlands because many, many reasons.

>>76958834
It is much easier to open business now than it was in 90's. Literally nothing was better in 90's even in Moscow.

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>>76958834
>but you can't blame the west for that
ah yes the eternal dindus

>>76958809
even now you have horrible censorship. people go jail for criticizing fucking orhtodox church in their blogs. imagine would kind of censorship you would have under the soviet rule? the internet would only be available for politburo and they would be watching porn lmao.

>>76958918
We can't do the same as Poland and Slovakia due to the fact that we are not in Europe and nobody will invest here.

>>76958950
Hey man he's American, he knows more about your country than you

Some countries always have an excuse. "It's not us, it's blah blah blah, it's not my fault" etc etc

>>76958959
You know fucking nothing about what happens here. You also have no idea what glasnost was. You projecting some early 70's stereotypes of Soviet Union over modern technologies. Don't people lose jobs in the US for calling niggs niggers?

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>>76958834
> but you can't blame the west for that.

I unironically think that Putin's criminal regime is ideal for west.

>>76958975
We have resource money. They key point is how we spend it.


>>76958991
Yes motherfuckers after you installed communism here you dare to blame us??? Tell my why meetups of russian commies were held in London until 1917 and marx published his book in London?

What is Putin's plan. Does he hold power for the sake of power or is he a real pragmatist who is leading you somewhere?

>>76959024
Кayиe блять pecypcныe мaни? У нac 300млpд $ экcпopт в гoд. Этo пpocтo блять ничтo. Hихyя y нac нeт. Bcя PФ co вceми oлигapхaми зapaбoтaлa 3 тpиллиoнa зeлeни зa 15 лeт. Этo пpocтo 0 для тaкoй eбeни кaк PФ. Hикaких y нac дeнeг нeт и этo дaжe близкo нe cтoит cтeм cкoлькo влили в Пoльшy нaпpимep

>>76958950
well duh , of course it is easier now because it all started back then. without gorby and yeltsin you would still have your "guaranteed" minimum wage job and would live a meaningless commie life from paycheck to paycheck and saving for 30 years to buy a car etc.

>>76958983
i am russian, peтapд. i take it you are russian too? what are you doing in germany? go back to putin

>>76958064
Holy shit,Russia is way too dependent on fossil fuels.

>>76958991
So if those excuses don't count, what do you propose? That every single individual Russian can personally be held accountable for the faillure of Russia?

>>76959026
What, is this retard hour in Britain or something? What do you think? The guy controlled Medevev as a puppet until he could pass a law that would allow him to become president yet again.

>>76959022
i am russian eбтa
stop bullshitting me

>>76958959
that's not censorship, that's the russian blasphemy law. people also go to jail for insulting islam and buddhism, but libtards always ignore that part and only screech about muh church
also, internet piracy is nowhere in the world as rampant as in russia, it's literal anarchy

>>76959077
What was fucking made in 90's? Everything we have was founded in early 00's. Tы в PФ пo хoдy гoдa c 99 и нe бывaл ни paзy. Cкaзoчный дoлбaёб.
>>76959026
There are major infrustructure projects rn. Basically he just keeps situation as stable as possible to stimulate any growth possible. Any "shock" situation and we will go to the fucking civil war and african level life.

>>76959106
I propose not crying blubbery tears and whining about how life is unfair over and over. Life seldom is, many peoples manage to overcome adversity, it's not that hard.

>>76959024
Nice kot.

>>76959077
>my great-grandma was half-russian, this gives me infinite knowledge about everything russian. i know more about life in russia than real russians

>>76959026
> What is Putin's plan

1) To destroy Russia.

2) to help the EU unite itself under "russian threat"

Haven't you thought that if Russia was more friendly towards eastern eastern europe, EU would have looked more fragile than it is now, under constant "russian threat"?


>>76959106

> That every single individual Russian can personally be held accountable for the faillure of Russia?

In general russians are more stupid than westerners, so yes they are accountable.

You can't imagine how many literal RETARDS live there who are almost monkey-tier.

I think russian problem is special, we have strongest division between smartest russians and stupidest russians.

>>76959121
>russian blasphemy law.
ahahaha, russia is a fucking sharia state

>>76959171
>xDDD just be urself bruh
You don't know what dictatorships are like, do you? Need I remind you that those who publically protest against Putin tend to end up in jail, as do journalists critical of his regime? I guess they also need to stop "crying blubbery tears"?

>>76959196
Monkey retards are result of failed education system. And their number is declining. Amount of people drinking like there is no tomorrow is declining. Slowly but people become more rational and wise.

>>76959220
You won't find a single woman in burqa here.

>>76959240
Buddo, Putin jailing journalist or not won't effect the life of your average Russian.

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>>76959196
in addition:

In the critical moment russia WILL support western europe. Like it did in 1941 when stalin sent russian peasants against germans.

WW3 is possible, right.

But not as a Russia - NATO war, it will be just russia nuking biggest amerian cities (and only them) and then painfully dying.

Because, as I said, Putin's regime is ideal for the West.

>>76959243
I know. Slowly we are recovering.

Soviet leader Stalin robbed caravans, Yeltsin got kicked out from school.

We are being ruled by WORST people, it's literally negative selection.

Finally, in 21st century we got a president who has higher education.

Maybe in 30 years we will have even president not from a fucking dormitory, who didn't attend judo, who didn't kill rats and fight for "prestige".

>>76959281
What journalists is he jailing?

>>76959322
>not from a fucking dormitory, who didn't attend judo, who didn't kill rats and fight for "prestige".
Nothing is wrong with any of those things.

>>76959220
it's pretty retarded indeed. russia has banned the publication of those charlie hebdo muhammad cartoons because they were offensive toward muslims. in another case some guy was arrested for kicking a buddha statue. but when some whores get arrested for harrassing church goers, libtards suddenly go crazy.

>>76959351
Ask the Dutchman.

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>>76959243
You reminded me of this kek

>>76959281
Of course, what information you can and cannot access and what opinions you can and cannot publically express have zero influence on the life of the average Russian or his ability to change what he's displeased with.

>>76959322
>believing in WW3
Even if it happens we will be spectators. We have nothing for anyone to fight for it.

>>76959389
Whether Putin is corrupt or not, what difference would it make?

>>76959360
t. Trump

>>76959384
So my point is actually you will find less of these apes every year here.
>>76959389
Nobody's hiding western and ukrainian claimes on Ukraine or Syria for example. The question is how it is described. We have some "alternative" pro western media but nobody just watches them except extreme hipsterish faggs

Let's be honest here. Dictatorships haven't been good since Cincinnatus.

>>76959389
faggot, you can access cnn, washpost, ukraine today or whatever the fuck you want from russia

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>>76959414
Are you fucking serious?
It would make a difference in your ability to participate in the public discourse, considering both the opinions you recieve and the opinions you can express are limited.
It would make a difference for your income, considering how much of the country's wealth is absorbed by a kleptocratic elite.
It would make a difference for your safety, because a corrupt police force not only tends to look the other way if bribed with enough cash but can sometimes be more dangerous than the crooks they're supposed to protect you against.

Do I really need to fucking prechew this shit for you? There's a reason why people living in corrupt countries don't brag about how great it is to live there: because it's not. Russia is a corrupt shithole hamstringed by its own ruling class.

>>76959240
OK, so do something about it then. Not sure what bitching on the English language Internet is supposed to solve.

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>>76959404
If it must happen, it will happen pretty soon because soviet rockets are getting worse every year.

Soon we will not have capability to nuke.

>>76957222
Russian GDP PPP is a better indicator.

>>76959366
if only it was limited to arresting some whores.
i am saying THOUSANDS of people have been prosecuted for they blog posts. you post a comment in a blog, and you literally go to jail. it is that bad. come on.

>>76959526
>soviet rockets
Both missiles and warheads get replaced and renovated every year

>>76959507
>It would make a difference in your ability to participate in the public discourse, considering both the opinions you recieve and the opinions you can express are limited.
faggot, watch some russian tv shows, people who cirticize the government are always given a voice. it's just that nobody likes those people.

>>76959498
still they are trying to limit or ban internet access and there are real discussions about the news laws in the government. and they are going to ban telegram in russia. why are you shilling for russia so hard? do you get paid for that?

>>76959497
Russia is oligarchy. Unlike USA people just used to the image of long lasting "strong leader" here instead of changing talking head every year who changes nothing. Establishment decides everything.

>>76959618
Wrong wrong and wrong. You are just proving that you are absolutly incompitent on the topic

>be poland
>be eternally butthurt at everybody

>>76959550
can you post some examples. i mean if there are literally thousands of them you should find some (and don't post that pokemon guy, he was not arrested for blog posts)

>>76959618
what i am posting is the truth you dumb ctr shill

>>76959675
He wasn't even blamed for catching pokemons. They've just found a video on his channel where he called churkas churkas or smth like that.

>>76959593
>always given a voice.
i will give it putin, he will always give a "voice" to some ridiculous irrelevant schmucks to show everyone what kind of "opposition" they have. most of the real opposition are either dead (nemtsov), left the country (kasparov etc) or not allowed on TV.

>>76959750
All that "real" opposition never had more than 5% in any elections. Nemtsov was actually in power in 90's and acomplished literally nothing. The first semi decent opposition we finally have after 15 years is Navalny and yet majority of people even I personally know don't want to support anyone but Putin

>>76959750
>nemtsov
>real opposition
he was a literal nobody, not better than these "irrelevant schmucks" from the tv shows.

i have also noticed that when people talk about how putin supposedly kills ALL of his opponents they always mention either nemtsov or litvinenko. they never mention someone else. TWO people died in 15 years of putin's rule. wow, it's almost like being a putin critic doesn't make you invincible.

>>76959933
so are you putin's fan living in germany?
how cute

>>76959933
You forgot politkovskaya. All 3 of them are related to chechens and chechen wars one way or another (totally just a coincedence)

>>76959980
Really tho, who else was killed by the bloody regime?

>>76959980
oh now you really showed me!

>Putin is bad, average wage in Russia is just 400$!!!
>Yeltsin was good, average wage was 50$

>>76959933
*17 years

>>76960047
how about 300 passengers of the malaysian airplaine?
inb4 denying all proofs, didnt do nothing.
also remember explosions in russia in the late 1990's when "chechens" were blamed? but in fact kgb officers were caught red-handed by the cops but were let go.

>>76960331
Take off your tinfoil hat. Just for the record, he asked for influential oppositionals who were supposedly killed by the government.

>>76960331
Ukrainians shot down our passanger jet in early 00's and the US shot iranian passanger jet in 80's, so who is dictator of those three and how is this even related? We were talking about killing journalists and political oponents
>caught red-handed
FSB and not KGB and that was a single messy story about some dude with sugar(!) leaving some apartment block who was an FSB officer according to this story. Seems legit.

>>76960450
If anything that plane was shot down by the eastern Ukrainian rebels and not by the Russian government. So I don't even know why he brought that up

>>76960147
who are you quoting

>>76960720
Green text is not actually quoting

the butthurt belt strikes again

>>76957278
western economic sanction

>>76959322
>Soviet leader Stalin robbed caravans, Yeltsin got kicked out from school.
>We are being ruled by WORST people, it's literally negative selection.
You forgot that Khrushchev was a dumb peasant who couldn't read or write until he was 30 years old.

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>>76957381
Fucking subhuman russian nigger shit
Post the real picture you nigger

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>his country's GDP is lower than California's
>his country's GDP is lower than Texas'

>>76958834
>>76958950
The 90s was just lawless Mad Max-style anarchy where the strong took what they wanted from the weak.

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Half of the country is a giant freezer, where life is expensive how to fuck. Another quarter of the territory is a freezer for only half a year. Transportation of goods to a distance of thousands of kilometers is expensive as a fuck. And of course the corrupt officials who take the suitcases of cash and spend them in the "decaying West"

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>>76959081

Could be worse

Hello, is this russian thread?

>>76964995
Ah, it's no different in China where the kids of CCP officials drive around in Ferraris while average Wang has to wear a breathing mask on the way home from his slave labor job stitching soccer balls.

>>76957445
Are you daft?
Lots of industry, lots of farms, lots of property etc..
Russians need to go back to either buikding factories or farming or both, land should be distributed more to russian citizens.

>>76958445
>art, history, sociology
Society's better off without these meme subjects, Ivan.

>>76958175
Dude, construct roads, construct buildings, construct factories, construct farms, thats it.

>>76966754
How you gonna do that when 70% of Russia is a remote, isolated freezerbox?

>>76957222
At least not amerislave.

>>76957222
Korea is too small and russia is too big.

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>>76966754
Russians inhabit farming area, hace a farm, build a school, build buildings by paying wirkers in currency shares after constructions that can be used for food and services, thus have a farm, have populations that provide services for shares of value of the service, thus build more buildings, more roads, more schools etc...

Western Europe is larger and more developed than Russia, you simply arent organized correctly.

Hitler+Russia would have created a berlin moscow block that would be a state of such magnitude unheard of in history.

>>76966786
The other problem is that these require capital, which Russia doesn't have. They're poor af, bro. Even back in tsarist times most infrastructure was built with Western European investment.

>>76966861
Because Western Europe isn't a vast frozen wasteland without access to warm water ports.

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>>76966815
>70% of russia is isolated frozen

USA, Canada, Australia, NZ had no issues doing a western economy.

>>76966919
Since when are the US and Australia 70% tundra without warm water ports?

>>76966869
They dont need "westetn investment", they only need workers to build that will be paid money that will be of more value when the services and buikdings, roads are built.

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>>76966950
And without money how will you build infrastructure?

>>76966930
You do not need ports, australia just trades with china, something russia can do quite easily, australia has 20 million population to russias 140 million

>>76957911
I wouldn't call what Russia has "capitalism". There's no middle class and without that, you can't have capitalism.

>>76966959
Are you retarded?
The workers are paid money, and the money will be worth more when the buildings, roads, factories and such are built which will give tge money worker recievef be of more value, in regards to the resources, russia had all the resources needed to build roads, buildings, farms, and industries.

>>76966966
>You do not need ports
>australia just trades with china
And how pray tell do they get goods into and out of Australia?

>>76966998
>The workers are paid money

And this money comes from where now? Like I said, in tsarist times they still needed Western European investment because Russia itself lacked the liquid capital for infrastructure projects.

Stalin's industrialization was also mostly done with outside investment, for example Ford built automobile plants in the USSR.

>>76966984
No obe followed capitalism in the 1870s when USA was being built, there wasnt even a federal reserve, capitalism was invented in 1914 prior to that there was peoples will and interests not capitalism, roads were built by tying peoples interests into building it, same with railroads as well as using state funds, not (((capitalism))) no one called themselves cqpitalists in the 1870s.

>>76967026
>>76966998
>>76966966
>>76966950
>>76966861
I'd like to know what drugs this guy is on. He can't even spell correctly.

>>76967025
Money is sharws of the worth of the nation, the money assuming absolutely 0 development of services and industries would initially be used for lower services and food, as buildings, roads, factories, and cities are constructed the money will be of higher value being able to purchase more services and goods.

Money can be printed out and its value is by the supply of trade goods and supply of money.

>>76958175
>Even extracting mineral resources is a challenge here
Yeah it's not like in Stalin's time where you could just use slave labor to build things, people nowadays expect to get paid.

>>76966869
there is 15 bil $ in "stabilization fund" right now

>>76967159
And all that money goes into buying yachts and sports cars for Putin and his friends. :^)

>>76957568
this desu

>>76957611
Proving the point, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states excluding Yemen are rich and have high living standards+extensive social welfare.

>>76967090
You are frontier on no development land, money is printed out and distributed to workers say 1 note = 4000 calories, which is around 10 pounds of potatoes workers involved in building farms, buildings, roads, factories are paid say 20 notes an hour, which would be
equivilant to $100 an hour for workers involved in the buildment of the cities, villages, farms, industries, infastructure, and such.

Money = shares.

Yep, this guy is high out of his mind. I hate druggies--the stuff just makes you into a retard, it doesn't enlighten you or make you smarter.

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>>76967186
thats not true
what's your home adress by the way?

>>76967284
10 notes an hour is better.

>>76958445
>No, fucking wrong, absolutely. Soviet scum managed to keep decent math and physics but they completely ruined art, literature, history, sociology, genetics, etc.

Soviet communism pursued this kind of extreme scientism that ended up removing the human element from people. You need some artistic expression, it's just human nature.

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>Putin avoided Baltic and Polish airspaces taking a detour through Finland and Sweden to reach the G20 meeting

Understandable, considering we killed one of his relatives

>>76967381
Has he been reading too many /int/ threads and gotten worried he'll meet the same fate as Lech Kaczinski?

>>76967381
Youre full of shit

>>76967434
youre russian under proxy

I agree with the guy who said that Russians in general are extremely uneducated sheeple who actually believe in the superiority of their shithole and that starting World War III with NATO will solve all of their problems.

>>76964362
>When Sweden become tired of importing migrants so she start to annex them instead
Based Sweden. Humanitarian Superpower!

Leave Russia alone
:(

>>76967434
>>76967416

Estonians killed Putin's great uncle in 1919 during the Estonian independence war. Dont remember what happened to his body

>>76967533

t. Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov

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xDDD

>>76967639
>his body
Eestied

>>76967702
Unfortunately the same thing didn't happen when they invaded Estonia.

>>76967702
STOP IT RIGHT NOW

>>76967685
>>canada

>>76957222
why do you keep making these threads?
i think every single person on earth (except some brainwashed drunktards in russia) knows that russia is an absolute, total shithole

>>76967769
300k russians died invading Estonia in 1944

>>76957222
Moscow's gdp is bigger than of all of Poland
How about that then?

>>76967274
Saudi Arabia has 5 times smaller population

>>76967146
All of that was destroyed in 90's because it was unprofitable

>>76967967
>(except some brainwashed drunktards in russia)
Wait, isn't that like 85% of Russia's population?

>>76964351
You need reasonably educated leaders in charge of a country. The last time we had a totally clueless yokel in office was Warren Harding and you won't find historians ranking him up there with the great presidents any time soon.

>>76969263
Else you end up with Nazi Germany, those guys were bydlo trash from the streets with no education at all.

>>76969324
Funny you should mention that because the original Bolshevik leaders were all college boys and got replaced/purged by absolute bydlo like Stalin.