Is dwindling population a problem even though everything is automated?

Yes. If one nip is good, two nips are better.

will robots pay taxes?

nothing important is automated
rather automation does not produce wealth that is tricked down, ie, the amount of welfare will decrease due to lack of human workforce

that's why they are aiming for the 100 million mark because their work force cannot sustain the current population, regardless of automation

Lowering Japan's population isn't necessarily 'bad'. Over a hundred million people packed into a country, particularly in the giant megacities of Tokyo and Osaka, can lead to severe psychological problems for people. And that level of human density is unprecedented in human history.

However, it will come with economic challenges in the short term. The older generation will require government support to maintain a livelihood, and the drastically smaller working age population will struggle to provide for them, let alone both them and younger dependents, which in turn lowers the fertility rate further.

>>76860404
Robot replaces taxes.

Don't need a nurses tax revenue if the robot replaces the nurse.

>>76860492
robot nurse does two things for the economy, it replaces a worker and produces an unemployed

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Yes it is, and that's why we need more immigrants. Open the borders!

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>>76860507
>it replaces a worker and produces an unemployed
There are no workers or taxes or slaves if robots replace work force.

You bargain and trade with handmade items of equal significance to the robot. All sentimental really.

>>76860555
no work force will be fully replaced

>>76860574
Of course not, people will still need to farm for themselves individually. Picking fruits and veggies can be a delicate process.

it does nothing more than depress wages
because you can take out the human negotiation aspect
robotic work force does nothing to benefit the rest of humanity

It will be once I get my hands on one of those Marylin Monroe-bots.

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>>76860507
Humanity grows pretty fast, every 1st world nation has been forced to steal specified workforce from elsewhere just to keep up. Ideally we would produce robots that can accomplish work that would normally require education, or is just a safety hazard in general.

>>76860702
robots belong to the corp not the society

>>76860713
I'd prefer hanging out with robots to foreigners. Studies show the japanese agree.

>>76860737
a robotic revolution is not dependant on technological progress but the cost of maintaining an educated labor force

the automation started a long time ago with the advent of computers and such moving a professional labor economy into a service economy the trend will continue to move average livelihood for the worst

sure a nice robotic house maid is nice but that's just morbid fantasy as opposed to industrial robotics assembling cars, the psychology is of course to take some fundamentally anti-humanist thing and turn it into a household object

>the no robot bf

>>76860373
Bump

>>76860507
There wont be an unemployed worker if theres no worker in the first place. Automated robots are made to replace empty spots in the workforce. Not enough workers in your factory? Add robots. Soon people wont be needed in such factories and they can focus on other things like governing the country. things that robots cannot do. tasks that require moral values to be conducted properly.

>>76860507
it also creates jobs for robot maintentance and supervision

>>76861911
>civil wars break out constantly as more people are interested politics/ideologies since there is nothing else to do
Neat.

>>76861911

>Automated robots are made to replace empty spots in the workforce

No automated robots and made to shortcut all the spending required to train the workers for that spot

the idea isn't robots can do what humans won't it's human labor is cheap enough to where robot investment isn't worth it, such as flipping burgers and selling crap and the department store

all factory jobs had ample work force, the reason why they wanted robots was because of exceptional demand for very low rate of return on each car, lower return means lower cost of labor, and not just cars, bottling coke, printing pills etc, it wasn't because the society ran out of workers it was because competition became fierce and the easy way out was to replace the workers

and so the practice snowballed

>>76861934
the ration of replaced workers with the few maintenance is not comparable

kind of the dakota access pipeline i hear recently, it takes 30,000 people to build it and 30 people to maintain it

>>76861974
>ration
ratio

>>76861974
the thing is that as long as these robots are not self governing and do not have the capability correct errors (ie dont have AI) they need constant supervision. right now, robots are nothing but tools regular workers use. sure it cuts a lot of manual labor since 1 robot can do 10 guys worth work but that kind of automation hurdle was passed already in the 80s

>>76862010
the idea isn't want the robots need because what they do for the economy has no return to the society and is all taken for profit

that 10 people it replaced would be paying taxes and spending money

some charts

1 robot -> 10 PWP (people-worth profit) ->70% to corporation and 30% to government in tax

10 worker -> wages, taxes, miscellaneous spending back into the economy paying for welfare etc

basically there is a double tax on a worker economy and a single corporate tax on a robotic economy, society loses out

>>76862066
>10 people who are now living on welfare or are otherwise unemployed

>>76862066
more manufacturing -> more economical growth

>>76862122
it's not so simple, kind of like the silicon valley story except they actually hire people

so the criticism with them is that they drive out regular wage people and makes the valley too expensive and drives everything up because they don't spend back into the economy, that is no welfare to support the lower wage peoples to stay in the valley, it's in the shadows in europe like rent controls, but in the us there is no such thing so everyone moves out

while the programmers do benefit everyone else's livelihood do turn for the worse, as they live further and the prices and more expensive and is only offset by the state mandate on rising the wage

so "economic growth" really means let the government deal with the clout, sure there is more money but that wealth is not tangent spendable wealth, a few dollars they get more isn't used to buy more stuff it's to fill in the puddle created by these mega corp worth trillions of dollars on the local society, paying extra rent and extra tax added goods and extra oil etc

there was a study released recently with the study on rise of wages, basically while they do have more income they are not getting the bang for the buck etc

the same with japan's automation, people's spending money is getting less just to pay for the extra price of living

>>76862243
also these rise in minimum wage places are going service added price for restaurants because they can't depend on tips to pay for wages
ie, higher minimum wage places get less tips to the point where the system of having lower wages due to tips cannot fill in the missing wages

so while people think higher wages means more disposable income the opposite is true at least for low wage work