Will the North ever be free from British rule and be united once

It's already united with its celtic brethren.

>>76620776
>free from british rule
that implies they are under British rule unwillingly

They are free in support of their union

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>Plastics

>>76620823
what's the point of IRA then?

>>76621034
Bunch of terrorists reacting to systemic discrimination and the formation of protestant militias.

>>76620776

boston "irish" diaspora are the worst, fuck off OP

>>76620776
oh just fuck off

>>76622098
I speak gaelic and am over 70% Irish according to a DNA test

Actually I'm probably more Irish than quite a few people in Irish due to the Anglo presence

>>76622180
NI is becoming more catholic and more conscious, you can't stop the inevitable

>>76621077
> terrorists

Fuck off you self hating cuck

>>76622737
>Actually I'm probably more Irish than quite a few people in Irish due to the Anglo presence
YESSSSSS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>76622737
>Actually I'm probably more Irish than quite a few people in Irish due to the Anglo presence
FUCKING HOWLING SO BAD
also ulster scots aren't anglo you brainlet

Comrade Corbyn will make sure imperialism ends in N. Ireland and there is nothing /brit/ can do about it

>>76622840
>ulster scots aren't anglo you brainlet

Aren't they descended from lowland Scots who were Anglo?

>>76622881
Culturally they weren't really either, although they were English-speaking.
t. Live near the borders

>>76622784
>>76622840
t. Increasingly nervous Anglo man

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/03/17/it-s-now-clear-northern-ireland-is-leaving-the-union

>>76622968
We don't want poorthern direland, they just robbed another billion of English taxpayer money through blackmail

sooner they fuck off the better

>>76622968
>03/17
not even going to bother clicking that, read a news article about Northern Ireland written this month and it's clear they're going nowhere anytime soon

>>76622737
lol

>>76623086
>and it's clear they're going nowhere anytime soon

Soon? no. Inevitably? yes

Ireland will be unified in my lifetime

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>>76622737
>I speak gaelic and am over 70% Irish according to a DNA test
>Actually I'm probably more Irish than quite a few people in Irish due to the Anglo presence

>>76620823
>>76621077
Fuck off back to Liverpool, A Sheonín.

>>76623036
Scotland runs a fucking 9% budget deficit, NI runs a fucking 20% budget deficit.

Why can't Scots/Ulster Scots manage their own affairs without needing English handouts?

>>76622737
Hahahahaha please go to Ireland and say that to someone exactly as you wrote it

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>>76622737
>I speak gaelic and am over 70% Irish according to a DNA test
>Actually I'm probably more Irish than quite a few people in Irish due to the Anglo presence

>>76623804
Both areas are historically heavily under-invested in by the english overlords, contributing to a lower tax rake by national governments and therefore higher budget deficits

>>76622737
>Fuck off you self hating cuck
Not self hating, you nordies are foreigners.

>>76623804
Crown of Ireland Act and Acts of Union were HUGE mistakes

>>76623881
t. Englishman

I would personally drive your head into the dirt if we crossed paths.

>>76623843
Wrong. Northern Ireland was the only area of Ireland that was heavily industrialised, it was the main bed of industrial output on the island.

The rest of Ireland was under-invested in, and now we're wealthier than every other region of the UK except for southern England. We have fifteen times the industrial output of Northern Ireland.

Scots are just useless.

>>76622737
>i know what erin go bragh means so i speak irish

Piss off

>>76623946
I am Irish m8head, I'm talking last 60 years or so with the north

>>76623946
>hating the IRA and northern foreigners makes you english

>>76624048
Northern foreigners? The fuck are you on about

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>>76620776
That notch has always ticked me the fuck off, like it's a few kilometers away from completely separating Ireland.

>>76624072
nordies

>>76624048
It certainly does, you Eastern European nigger.

>>76624020
>historically under-invested
>allowed me to just ignore everything before that including where it was the industrial centre of the country
mfw

>>76624113
Do you think donegal people are not Irish too? They're practically the same

>>76624135
The West Briton likes to think of himself as the same as the English, they're the type of faggots that talk about the Anglosphere and how "we have such similar culture xD"

They should be shot on site.

>>76622881
Anglos = Lothians

Lowland Scots = Lothians + Northumbrian settlers + Picts + Gaels+ Brythonic Cumbrians + dash of Vikangz + Border Reivers + Highlanders + 19th century Irish immigrants

That would still make them overwhelmingly Celtic

>>76624166
I'm from dublin and nobody thinks northerners are foreigners lol, this nigga is wack

>>76624135
Donegal - Ireland, Not Foreign.
Northern Ireland - Not Ireland, Foreign.

Civil nationalism > ethnic nationalism

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How do people feel about this Anti-IRA propaganda movie coming out with Jackie Chan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33iuQu3UtjI

>>76624166
The english are foreigners too.

>>76624218
Do you not have any northern catholic friends or anything? Besides having a formal instead of a debs and a weird accent they are the same as you, lad

>>76624218
>Civil nationalism > ethnic nationalism

Fuck off back to Eastern Europe

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>Foreign retards think we actually want Northern Ireland

Genetic tests don't differentiate between Irish, Scottish, English and Welsh

>>76624273
Yes, they are another country and foreigners.

... unless they register as an irish citizen

>>76624329
It's almost as if genes mean practically nothing

>>76624298
Eastern europe is full of foreigners

>>76620823
British in Ireland, in a British made state specifically designed to have a Protestant Unionist majority voted to remain in the UK
>>76621077
West Brit

>>76624357
I was making fun of the guy that claimed he took a genetic and was more celtic than actual micks

>>76624411
So fuck off to Ireland then you absolute melt.

>>76624436
I'm in Ireland, eejit

>>76624166
grow up

>>76624452
Sorry, don't see a ROI flag there mate. In the north then go ahead and fuck off south.

>>76624480
>le why won't you accept our made up border
You've been in Ireland you're entire life, make your peace with it

>>76624452
No you are in British land. We need too leave or bow to the queen and convert to the religion that Ian paisley followed

>>76624357
Yes, M'buqtu Oshiwambe is exactly 100% the same as Nagoto Tokoshima or Padraig Ó Diarmait

fuck off

>>76624505
I'm not in Norn you thick paddy twat, it's us that have to keep paying your welfare because you won't just leave already

>>76624533
I'm not 100% Irish and neither are you, where you're born and raised and by who is the only determinant of your nationality

>>76624529
*you

>>76624561
Yes, because a lad from Mauritius whose parents move to Ireland is 100% Irish

Would you ever fuck off with yourself

>>76624559
You can blame your Protestant mongrel offspring for that

>>76624601
And why should he not be?

>>76624604
Don't give a fig who's to blame, you could leave tomorrow after all it's one country right? But you won't because you're too happy to suck on westminster's teat. God how I cannot stand norn

>>76624411
You've had decades to convince the people they are better off in the republic and have failed to do so.

>>76624601
If hes spent his life here, went to school, grew up. Then he is certainly irish, more so than any kid raised by irish parents abroad.

>>76624661
I vote Sinn Fein every year lad. If i could rocket boost this whole island a thousand miles away from Britain i would

>>76624641
>>76624693
>The Irish people (Irish: Muintir na hÉireann or Na hÉireannaigh) are a nation and ethnic group native to the island of Ireland, who share a common Irish ancestry, identity and culture.
>who share a common Irish ancestry

Yes because a foreigner can just change his ethnic make up by having his name scribbled on a piece of paper.

You lads are faggots and really should fuck off.

>>76624758
I know 100% ethnically Irish people in england who are not Irish but English. How do you explain that?

>>76624693
Ahh yes, it's the Nationalist's fault that non-Nationalists who are taught from birth to hate Nationalists aren't Nationalists

>>76624791
They're not English, they are Irish. That's a simple fact. Whether they choose to continue in their delusion of being a Saxon is of their own volition.

If a white couples moves to Africa and has a son, should they denote on his medical records that he is African?

>>76624896
That is unironically my heritage and I am both mostly ethnically Irish and 1000% actually Irish. You're letting ill-thought out racialism cloud any sense here

>>76624999
>ill-thought out
It's consistent. Your argument that identity is civic rather than ethnic is a false one, that someone can simply become something else by virtue of pretending to be it.

If my biological parents are short, but I am adopted by tall parents and live in a tall country, will I be tall? If I identify as tall, will that change how tall I am?

Absolutely not. You continue to believe in delusions. Ethnicity is fundamental in identity, arguing otherwise is completely illogical and based in nothing more than wishy-washy feelings.

>>76625108
Pretty rich coming from a people genetically indistinguishable from their neighbours.

>>76625108
But your argument falls apart the moment you say anyone is pretending to be Irish, who makes you the arbiter of who is and who isn't Irish?

>>76625154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaEZmaGeOY

We share quite little in common with you people, honestly, and what we do share is from centuries of mixing or isolating.

>>76625189
>who makes you the arbiter of who is and who isn't Irish?
Facts are what make me the arbiter. If you're not ethnically Irish, you aren't ethnically Irish.

Your argument isn't even predicated on the belief of ethnicity being different to nationhood, you've shifted the argument to being one about my authority on the matter.

I'm not the one defining ethnicity, I'm the one applying the rule.

You are the one trying to pervert the meaning of identity from what someone is to what someone pretends to be.

>>76625283
Okay so bringing it back, what about ethnicity is causal in making an Irish person? Think of it as a counterfactual, would an ethnic Pole who grew up from age 0 in Limerick be more or less Irish if, all other things equal, he had Irish genes

Being ethnically Irish is irrelevant to being Irish. Unless you hold some weird sentimental attachment to the concept of a greater whole rather than those who fill your life.

>>76625345
If he had Irish genes then he'd be Irish, he'd never have been Polish.

>"If a white person had black skin would he be Caucasian??"

>>76625283
The majority of British people descend from a single Ice Age migration as well, and given the insular Celt languages formed one coherent band it's very unlikely they were in any way separate. I would put hard money on it being impossible to distinguish the average Irish or English person in a genetic test without very heavy cherry-picking.

>>76625386
>you can be x without meeting any of the criteria because this paper said so! Anyone who says different is just weird and sentimental!

Civic retards out.

>>76625500
Much like how the languages differed over time due to isolation, the same applied to our people. Irish people have more in common with an Englishman than they do a Slav or African, but that doesn't mean we're the same.

>>76625502
How have criteria without codifying them? :^)

>>76625500
towards the south-east it tends to be easier, you find more anglo-saxon inclusions

>>76625446
Am I not Irish then despite having lived almost entirety of my life there, because I have other European blood in me from my great grandparents? This is such a ridiculous way to think

>>76625605
>these laws being subject to change at societal demand are why this constant is wrong!

>>76625643
That depends entirely on how many of your grandparents are Irish and how many aren't Irish.

If both of your parents are foreign, you're not Irish. If one of your parents is Irish, you're half Irish. If both of your parents are Irish, you're Irish.

Just because you feel insecure in your identity because of your grandparents doesn't mean you get to pretend to have the same identity as me. It's a mockery of my identity to sate your delusion.

>>76625721
What if you're say 7/8 Irish and 1/8 English, and culturally 100% Irish? Would you still consider such a person to be only 7/8 Irish?

>>76625721
>>76625819
What the aussie said is literally me except a different european ethnicity than English, this is very autistic

>>76625819
Not really, no. That's American-tier.

I would define you by what your parents are. If your parents are Irish, you're Irish. If one parent is Irish, you're half Irish. If neither of your parents are Irish, you simply aren't Irish.

>>76626118
You'd have to define what being Irish is and the only thing unique to us as a nation is our cultural heritage, divorced from an ethnic definition.

>>76626281
>what is being Irish
Being white
Being culturally Irish
Living in Ireland for atleast 3 generations

There

>>76620776
Why couldn't they just take all of Northern Ireland? Should really be more like Northeastern Ireland.

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>>76626118
what if you are "new irish" ?

>>76626281
>heh your argument is one of ethnicity well if we remove the ethnicity part of the definition then what else is there? oh you can't argue anything? too bad looks like you lose

You're an autistic West Briton.

>>76626349
>Being culturally Irish
The only important factor. Nothing else actually differentiates us from anyother nation other than this.

Reminder North Ireland is no different from Crimea.

>>76626378
You can insult me or you can argue with me.

>>76626403
So an native Galway man is indistinguishable from an Ethiopian? Don't be ridiculous, genetics are extremely important in everything from appearance to behaviour

>>76626403
>nothing differentiates you from Gambia except your culture!

You're forgetting the skin tone, language, history and ethnicity. Simply ignoring the rest of the criteria doesn't make it disappear.

>>76626445
You aren't arguing anything, you're ignoring parts of the definition and then saying "only the parts I left in matter so you need to argue those".

Wonder is this "ethnicity isn't real reeee" lad is mboko the /brit/ poster

>>76626514
It's probably the same lad who admins the Galway Anti-Racism Network on Facebook kek

>>76626514
It is real now tell me how someone entirely culturally Irish, who displays the only facets of what can actually be determined to be Irish in any influential sense to your psychology or being isn't?

People are Chinese for a reason. They're Corkmen for a reason. Not to do with being born then but being exposed to that culture, and the subsequent manner in how it forms and informs you, predominantly in their formative years.

>>76626688
Answer this first >>76626459

>>76626688
>It is real

>An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, social, cultural or national experiences.

Sounds to me like you're just in denial.

>>76626688
>People are Chinese for a reason. They're Corkmen for a reason.

Will a Corkman born in China suddenly be at greater risk of developing alcohol flush syndrome?
Will a Caucasian living in Africa develop sickle cell anemia (which is exclusive to those of African ancestry)?

Ignoring ethnicity and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it so, Ahmed

>>76626459
>>76626784
I'm not denying that these people aren't ethnically Irish. Just that it's largely irrelevant if the question is what actually makes you Irish, if we were to ascribe traits to Irishness, since they're is only one real answer outside of a socially constructed politics or supposed divine ethnic inheritance.

>>76626992
>culture is real
>politics is socially constructed

Culture is also socially constructed, are you fucking retarded? The only thing that isn't "constructed" in this scenario is ethnicity. You can't change your ethnicity, but you can change culture and politics. There's nothing "divine" about ethnicity, it's a simple fact of life.

You're delusional.

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>>76622737
HAHAHAHAHA

Don't tell me you're from Boston lad, out of all the bullshit nationalities you plonkers pull out the "Irish" Americans are easily the funniest

>>76627068
If you call me a West Brit like here:>>76626378
for not agreeing with certain aspects of your definition I think we can safely assume it is.

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>>76622737

>(you)

>>76626744
They are distinguishable by their skin, but a city boy is distinguishable from a bogdweller too.

>>76627627
Yeah? But both the city boy and the bogtrotter are Irish

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plis stob figtign

>thread still going

>>76626459
>genetics are extremely important in everything from appearance to behaviour
They are, and you see the full gamut of behaviour from genius credit to society to parasitic skanger and belligerent barbarian among all genetic groups. Individual familial variation in behavioural predisposition is as strong as any racial divide. If you come from trash, you will very likely be trash whether irish or ethiopian.

>>76627645
Speak for yourself
t. west brit

>>76627198
>Don't tell me you're from Boston lad,

why the fuck does Boston get a bad rap?

Because we care about our ancestral lands?

How is that a crime.

I go to a Boston Irish pub and we all love Ireland and the IRA. How is that wrong?

>>76627848
It just so happens that Irish trash is Irish and Ethiopian trash isn't.

>>76627199
Because your "definition" is ignoring the very first part of the definition, you're priding "culture" (something that is susceptible to change) over ethnicity (something that is constant).

You're simply delusional.

>>76628249
ethnicity is just defined over a slightly longer time period than culture

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>>76622737
Fucking masshole learn your shit if you love Ireland so much

>>76628286
No it isn't. If you are an Arab and move to an Arab in ghetto in France and only marry other Arabs, then it doesn't matter how long you live there you'll still be an Arab. Ethnicity is a constant, culture is in constant flux.

You're a foreigner, and you always will be a foreigner. Your children will never be treated the same as actual Irish children, so fuck off out of my country.

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>>76622737
MUH HERITAGE

>>76628358
t. west brit

>>76628358
>you're a foreigner
>implying
you're irish if are an irish citizen, everything else is sentimentality

>>76628660
Wrong.

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>>76620776
>you will never genocide northern presbyterians

>>76628779
It is technically correct, the best kind of correct.

>>76626358
If they did it would be a nationalist majority and would vote to unify with the rest of the country. Northern Ireland was gerrymandered to ensure a british unionist majority.

I am the only genuinely Irish person.

>>76624218
Spot the nigger

>>76628994
chruthú é

>>76629305
>nigger
Detritus of society.

>>76620776
ná labhair liom nó le mac mo mná chéile feasta, dtuigeann?

>>76622737

baited and i like it

>>76628241
Come home Irish man

>>76628249
Cultural change like including speaking English, having a legal English system and playing soccer? Ofcourse culture changes. It's dependent on the people, no different than the tonnes of Brits and Norse we've taking in historically. Wee? Craic?

Ethnicity is clearly susceptible to change too.

>>76628880
Nice reddit post, Alastair. Can't wait to see more of you on the 'chans!

>>76631723
>tonnes of Brits and Norse
We drove the Norse out after Sulcoit and Clontarf.

And are you seriously trying to tell me the 900,000 Brits squatting in the North was a good outcome for all?

Away back to Nigeria with you, Lumumba.

>>76632780
>drove the Norse out after Sulcoit and Clontarf
no, we didn't.

>>76632827
Yes we most certainly did. Most of them were driven out and those who remained were eventually bred out by the Gaels.

And even so, picking one point (the Norse) whilst completely ignoring the other (the Brits) does your argument no favours.

There's a million Saxons squatting on our lands (with another million foreigners squatting in the Republic), the outcome is going to be irrevocable demographic destruction unless we put an end to it and drive you Gall from our homes.

By pen or by sword, we'll drive you out.

>>76633011
The celts bred with the proto-irish, the norse bred with the celts, the normans bred with the norse-celto-irish and the saxons bred with the normo-norse-celto-irish. The claim that its 'our' land is based on a perceived historic unity which is simply not real. The closest this island ever had to a unitary state and people was under the british.