Why is Southern Europe less economically successful than Northern

Northerners don't value life, they run to enjoy the south for 3 weeks a year then have to get back to their shithole they call home

>>76612957
Sotherners have outstanding climate
I remember visiting Athens and Madrid in August some years ago, it was awful no memeing
Also, their culture is based around living comfy

>>76612957
That image makes me very angry

>>76612957
>muh Protestant work ethic
I'm not saying this is true as I'm not remotely qualified but if you visit the south long enough you'll see the culture really is very different there. There's a reason they rarely come on holiday and never retire up north.

More corruption and a culture of tax evasion pretty much.

>>76612957
I think the real question is why is the South more family orientated where as the North is more individualistic?

>>76612957
Because they didn't industrialize until recently
Meanwhile, Northen Europe was heavily industrialized for over 100 years

>>76613164
>There's a reason they rarely come on holiday and never retire up north
And there is also a reason why German universities are filled with Spanish or Greek students desu
We conceive our opinion on the Mediterraneans only during summer vacations

>occitaniggers and corsican'ts not in southern Europe
what the fuck man

>>76612957
but they have been in the past
>>76613249
That goes for the entire ex-commie block

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>>76612957
Hm?
The average swede is poorer than average italian.

>>76612957
Because the 19th century didn't give us any chance.

>>76613254
Well I think it's because they are not as "greedy" as the North, they don't try to get as much money as the North does. They're a bit more conservative
I remember there was a book in french telling about the cultural difference occuring between the North and the South in France in the last century after WW2, covering this exact topic, but I can't find the name...

This is one retarded image.

>>76613450
Average spamiard is richer than average swede, andalucia doesnt count.

atlantic trade

>>76613254
It isn't really
Only countries in the South that are openly racist and somwhere fascistic are Italy and Greece
Spain and France are sadly infested with SJW attitudes and are barely family orientated nowdays

>>76613254
Catholicism/Protestanism mentality, and I'm not even memeing.

Give me one reason why Balkan countries like Croatia, Slovenia, Albania, Bosnia, bulgaria, Macedonia, and Serbia shouldn't be considered Southern European

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>>76613593
I hate you subhuman, you are an insult on the blood that ties us together.

Matter of internal political stability in the late 19th and 20th century also counts. Excluding the German chaos after WWI nearly none of the Northern European countries experienced any inner conflict. Meanwhile

>Spain lost all colonies and faced a civil war
>Italy did not have a full national identity, it was more regional
>Greece facing the usual Balkan troubles

Industrialisation was not as smooth me thinks

Arab blood mixture.

>>76613615
They are mixed
Ex-Yugoslavia for example has Mediterranean, Central European and even Russian influence in terms of culture and history
Same for the rest

>>76613615
only two of them have access to Mediterranean, three if you mentioned Montenegro

>be southern european
>wake up to birds singing, a nice gentle bit of sunlight through the windows
>put on your robe and turn on the espresso
>ah what a beautiful day
>do your morning routine and facial exfoliation and eat your light breakfast to go out
>enjoy another nice morning espresso after 2 hours of leisure work, and an hour later take a nice relaxing lunch break with Mario and Alessandra
>Pick up a nice formaggi and salame with Proseco for your evening meal with Paola
>Have some nice consensual sex, a bit of kissing, and enjoy your moment because you live in the most beautiful location in the world

>be northern european
>wake up and it's dark, don't want to crawl out of bed because it's bitter cold
>put on indoor shoes to crawl into the bathroom because the floor is negative centigrade
>shiver while the shower warms up for 15 seconds
>take a 12 minute warm shower, turning off the water in between for climate change
>towel dry hair and rush to get your clothes on, train leaving in 17 minutes an you haven't had your muesli yet
>rush to down some while you grab your things and go
>pakis left their muddy shoes in the apartment hallway again
>get to the station and train is late by a minute, get mad because it's cold and you just want to enter the cabin
>train finally arives, go inside, a bunch of turks int he back playing loud music and talking amongst themselves, still get mad at them for talking in public
>get to central station, hear more arabic and kurdish than your local language, it's now 7:08am and you're late for the office
>Turn off your phone as you get to your desk, manager doesn't like you on the phone.
>social media blocked on company internet, no one knows each other at work. People eat alone at their cubicle to work some more or say hi as they go to the kitchen to microwave something
>time to go home, it's already sunset
>more turks being loud, i just want to get home

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>>76613648
Spain is richer than north europe and germany.

>>76613711
pls stop

>>76613615
we are asian fuck off

>>76613725
No, you stop.

>>76613689
>Putting on a robe in Spanish heat
LOL stopped reading from there

>>76612957
because that is not true my friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult

>>76613779
Shit's cold up here in the North mate

>>76613854
nice taqiyya mohammad

>>76613530
I don't know if I'd consider France southern.

Where is the following scenarios more likely to take place, in Southern or Northern Europe:

1) Kid yelling at parents because they didn't give the kid what he wanted.

2) Workers being lax on the job

3) Family kicking kid out at 18

4) people strictly following rules

5) citizens looking out for family more than themselves

>>76613917
Shouldn't you be eating bosnian babies

>>76613615
Culture

>>76613947
more like shouldn't bosnian babes eat me

>>76613935
Northern Europe
Southern Europe
Northern Europe
Northern Europe?
Southern Europe

>>76613935
please shut your mouth now you have no idea of what are you talking about, beside that the only thing we are losing ground is gdp per capita, and this is because of lack of investments.

>>76613970
L-lewd

>>76613935
1- both parts
2- southern europe
3- nothern?
4-northern europe (is that even a bad thing?)
5-northern?

>>76613615
>Bosnia, bulgaria, Macedonia, and Serbia
Because they are mountainniggers

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>>76613935
FRONCE is a big country, only Occitania/Midi is southern

>>76613999
I was getting opinions you inconsiderate buffoon.

>>76613482
>>76613442
Ok Mr Average Swede

>>76613689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gb5HnOq6Q4
Theme of the Italian morning.

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>>76613482
>>76613442

>>76614213
Doesn't matter when the government takes half of our money

>>76614213
those pesky swiss

>>76614213
Average wealth does not equal average swede you retard.

>>76614572
Median wealth finds the middle swede in varying wealths per swede.

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>>76612957
>wow what a strange overlap???
Religion. Working IS the reward in itself. Also heaven. Work ethics and moral is still strong with the current generation - but it's being successfully crushed by immigration left-wing politics.

>>76614543
That's like a married couple with a co-owned house.

>>76614056
ok sorry, is that i am just getting to much upset. italy nowadays has become too underrated, and gets bullied constantly on the internet, i just can't handle it anymore

>>76613249
This, corruption is part of our culture. Also tax evading is our national sport, not football.

>>76613254
Protestant family is composed by the parents and their kids while in Spain we see our far relatives as closer as our first cousins. The problem? It encourages nepotism because you are "forced" to help your relatives in every way.

damnit, keep dis bread goin

>>76612957
different culture surrounding the value of work born from weather differences

the worst parts of Spain are in the south. Because the weather is so fucking great and plantations grow more easily that in finland it requires much less work to live there

this has turned into a mentality in which work is less valuable, which, while it works for subsistence, makes people lag behind when it comes to money making

>>76612957
>successful than Northern Europe despite it being the opposite throughout history?

when?

>>76613779
this

we do all that but naked

I'm so glad I live in Spain because its the european country with great story, useful language and the one I can feel rich as fuck instead of just above average with the money I currently have

>>76613689
>Be Southern European
>Emigrate to the US so your great-grandson can post about how Italy is a slice of heaven from his smartphone in an apartment in Newark

>>76613935
>North
>South
>Dunno
>North
>South

>>76612957
>Spain and Portugal
Colonies => lack of industry
>Italy
The north is fairly succesful, the south is virtually isolated with dreadful climate
>Greece
Ottoman rule, no industrialization
>Balkans
Ottomans, religious and ethnic clusterfuck

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Culture quite simply.

Innovation and work is simply promoted to such heights jobless slobs are seen as losers and for that mater people who live with their parents in their 20s are also seen as dependant losers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-YiaQZz1zY

>>76614962
50% youth unemployment isn't a joke

>>76613254
I feel like you can still be very individualistic and still care about your family.

>>76612957
>>76613164
my father unironically believes the "muh Protestant work ethic", he would probably fit perfectly in /int/
also we are not lazy theres just not enough jabs ok? praise jesus

All our industry was destroyed by the french and our british "allies" during the peninsular war, after that the most retarded king of our history happened and consequently inestability and a bunch of civil wars that basically didn't allowed the country to develop.

Last wednesday I was coming home to do some work on my thesis after my volunteer work.

On the way home, I spotted a friend of mine in an open café, sitting outside, under the bright warm sun, sipping a 70 cent expresso and reading a book.

I stopped and joined him and only left when the sun started to set. Which is at about 20h-21h.

Had it been shit weather, I'd gone home to work.

It's not the whole answer, but I think it takes some part in it.

>>76612957
Greece is eastern europe.
Jesus christ just look at the map,it makes no fucking sense,you're dragging southern europe too much

Judging from all the answers in this thread, I'm guessing the reasons for Northern Europe being more 'successful' would go like this(in order):
>industrialization
>no inner conflicts or oppressive regimes
>individualistic Protestant culture
>cold weather

Is there anything else I'm missing

>>76613689
life is suffering

>>76620666
>Which is at about 20h-21h
>portuwh*tes barely have any sun
No wonder you are always so melancholic.
>666

>>76620782
high level of social trust?

>>76612957

population size and civilization cycles

>>76612957
100 years ago you'd not be saying this...
100 years ago the portuguese were offering donations to the finnish people that were having hunger and shit.
The future will tell

>>76621015
>muh sardines
>muh mittens

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Northern Europeans are still poorer than southern Europeans

>>76621015
>thinking the perfidious "N*rthener is going to care about that

>>76614981
> Also tax evading is our national sport, not football.
Nowdays they're pretty much the same thing lmao

>>76621072
This has to do with property values.

>>76621104
yes, southern euros actually own shit, northern euros don't, with the exception of anglos

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>m-muh northern european economic powerhouse

the fact is that Northern Europeans are economicaly illiterate

>>76621166
wealth minus debt still is higher

it simply means there's an active finance sector in these countries

>>76612957
1. oil
2. no wars on their territory or negligeable
3. good work ethic

>>76621228
no, northern europeans have a lot of debt beacuse they need to keep up the facade of living a middle class life when they got kicked out of their families homes at 18.

>>76621130
spanish properties will worth shit in a couple of decades, there are like 2 million empty flats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

>>76612957
North eastern europe is a shithole in comparison with some of the most developed economically countries in the world like Spain and in particular Italy (one of the 7 most industrialized and developed countries in the world)

>>76620149
Stats do not consider uni students / people still in education

>>76612987
you mean 3 weeks in greece
then 3 weeks at their summer cottage back in the woodlands at home

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Culture.
Northerners vacation 25 days a year, southerners work 25 days a year

>>76612957
No Protestant work ethic

>>76624893
Italy has 14 days of average vacation days dumbfuck

>>76612957
The northern depression makes it easy to embrace change. The modern way of manufacturing (soulless, practical) was well established here long before the industral revolution brought the machines and conveyour belts.

>>76624893
>>76625593
why the fuck are you still in the e.u? england was smug and snob as fuck with regards to south europe, but had the decency to leave, you instead are still here and feel superior to us (for i never understand which reason) why don't just leave the union and go to fuck yourself up?

Lots of things.

What pisses me off isn't that, is the perception Northern Euros have of us. To them we are all Sicilians/Andalucians (no offense to them ofc) who sleep and party all day.


Anyways times are changing. I've mentioned this on /int/ before but in my small town in the North I've had new German and Swedish families come and live here and start businesses . And I mean young people in their 20+. Some are already having kids.
Honestly this is not a good sign. Northern Euros wouldn't think of moving here except for the vacations. And now they're coming, even to the less sunny areas of the country. I don't know what is happening up North, but I don't like the feeling of this.

>>76625839
Look, homeless people in the north freeze to death. Digging graves isnt possible either. That's why we are socialist, pure practical reasoning. The last decades have been different, the income gap is growing and xenophobia spreading. We will recognise whats happening and distance us from you, don't worry about it!

>>76626385
This. The reasons we normal citizens embrace the EU is for helping the poor and easier vacation/retirement. Portugal is like a tax haven to us, the rich flees as the poor is imported. Times are changing, our collective mentality havent kept up. Politicians talk about "our responsibilities" for people fleeing their home countries and the voters still eat it up. It's really fucking weird.

>>76626970
i wonder what kind of socialism are you doing if your income gap is growing, however well i hope that you leave the union asap! enjoy your frozen land

>>76627840
>scandinavia
>socialist
you fell for the memes

>>76626970
>This. The reasons we normal citizens embrace the EU is for helping the poor and easier vacation/retirement. Portugal is like a tax haven to us, the rich flees as the poor is imported.

Why are young people moving then ?And having Portuguese kids, not Swedish. It's a brain drain for you guys. Plus you're losing native Swedes to us, which I don't like.

>>76612957
Unironically, they don't need much miney to have a good life because the climate is great

>>76628401
do you unironically believe this? do you know the italian diaspora? most of them came from southern italy.. guess why

>>76629017
you have no idea how much money we have to spend to insulate our houses/apartments and how much we spend on heating in 9 months of the year

>>76629079
do you know that we have winter and autumn as well? and that we have heating in our houses too? and that it cost relateveley whay less than a rent or than an auto? or do you believe that we all live in the streets here?

>>76612957
Protestantism, simply.

Money and work as the real God.

And don't forget that protestantism produced directly multiculturalism, feminism, etc.

>>76629185
what kind of temperatures do you get during autumn/winter there?

>>76629292
in winter it gets fucking cold but i also live in north italy, although i was in rome last january and it was freezing cold

in november i was in sevilla and it was still fucking cold so don't think that it doesn't get cold in winter because it does

>>76629292
have a look by your self
https://www.ilmeteo.it/portale/medie-climatiche

>>76612957
southern euros don't care about money and working as much as northerners, you can thank that to your "protestant work ethics" but they live longer and are more happy

>>76629450
your subjective opinion about how cold it gets is of course very interesting

>>76629462
so your median is around 11C in the northernmost parts of italy. that's nice anon

now what you italian bois gonna do when the temperature hits -30C ? which is a normality here...

>>76629524
norway is the happiest cuntry in the world tho

I really appreciate the fact that americans keep their political opinions for themselves.

>>76629565
according to meme indexes who are probably created by northerners too, like how the fuck can having more gdp per capita make someone happier, i'm sure that there are a lot of africans who live happier than you do despite being poor and always being at the bottom of those indexes

>>76629539
i'd go to sky

>>76629565
but dont they kill themselves everyday? you have a high percentage of suicides

>>76629638
where are the proofs

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>>76629655
my negro!!! :D

anyway, your lowest temperatures chart from the site you linked is a bit higher than our highest temperature chart

North Italy is arguably the most prosperous region in Europe though, not sure what the fuck went wrong with southern Italy

>>76629693
Your pathetic life is proof

>>76629539
>now what you italian bois gonna do when the temperature hits -30C ? which is a normality here
it must suck to live in a shithole like that

>>76629693
there is no proof dumbass, you can't actually measure a sentiment, you just have your perception

Lack of trust towards anyone
Modernization without industrialization

Check out the book Political Order and Political Decay, it talks about why theres such a difference between some European states

>>76629718
terroni happened

>>76629751
i perceive a lack of proofs

>>76629749
it really doesn't. you just opt for different kinds of clothing and different kinds of activities. you go to the beach or roller balding and take the chicas to drink cold drinks and fug with the sheets thin, i go to ski or ice skate and take the chicas to comfy fireplace to drink warm beverages and fug between bear skin. the fun is the same, just different.

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>>76629710
ehm actually that map shows only max and minimum temperatures on various months, i hope you got a good idea

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>>76630213
so this is not the minimums?

>>76630348
minimum of june

>>76630383
is that the drop down menu? 'mese?

>>76630383
*average minimum of june

>>76630383
>>76630453
nvm already figured out how to operate this shit

>>76630453
yep mese = month

>>76629638
That's a meme.

Tribal Africans have a lifestyle no Westerner would ever endure. Scandinavians are happy, because they feel like they're in charge of their own fates.

>>76629718
Northern Italy is barely on par with an average region of France, which is below an average area of Germany, which is below an average area in Switzerland.

Italy used to be top-tier, but lost all it's momentum in the globalized high-tech era.

>>76612957
Portugal and spain became less relevant once England and the others started expanding overseas. Italy has the city states thing in the north and late uification, Greece is smol and was ontrolled by the ottomemes by far too long

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>>76612957
because southern europe got BLACKED, KEBABED, and TURKED

>>76631400
not at all

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ey, you better show some fuckin' respect

>>76620675
Greece is the most southern euro country retard

>>76636401
GABAGOBOL

>>76612957
CORRUPTION and "Everyone is doing it" political culture.

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>>76636401
Bappity Boopity

>>76626385
Get ready to be dominated by superior foreigners from the north. Sounds familiar?