I always wondered how did Castilla become the dominant region

>>76448229
I don't know either

probably just luck with the loyal marriages

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Their Moorish masters naturally preferred a desert for the capital.

>>76448442
>alicante-murcia

i guess if there is a correlation with furries

>>76448269

probably this, stronger reign gets to dominate the smaller one.

There was a mass exodus from the rural parts of the country to the cities, I suppose Castille was more populated back there. It's impossibru to find someone from Madrid whose grandparents don't come from another part of the country.

>>76448442
Please, you have nothing to say about settle cities in the desert, because you set up big cities in a litteral desert such as Las Vegas and Phoenix.

Castilla had the south, that was very rich and populated, very centralized government, almost an absolute monarchy (unlike Aragon) , very important centers of culture like Toledo, and a great propagation of the language thanks to the universities.

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Good thread.

A combination of a couple of good treaties and foreign relations pacts with some military victories is your answer.

Also >>>/his/

>>76448229
Castile got the juicy stuff like Cordoba and the kingdom of Seville.

>>76448602
I didn't know Murcia was so rebel against the castilians. Interesting.

>>76448229
In medieval times castille have around 70% of spain population, thats all.

>>76448773
>In medieval times castille have around 70% of spain population, thats all.
Source
Why did that change like that?

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>>76448863
He's talking about the Crown of Castille, which includes a bunch of other stuff.
Pay attention only to the Iberian Peninsula on this pic.

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>>76448971
Shit, wrong pic.

>>76448773
had*

>>76449167
Yes, but that was after the conquests of Galicia, Asturies, Basque Country, Extremadura, Andalusia... Proper Castilla probably didn't have more than 15% of the population of Spain.

>>76448565
>castilla had the south
All castilla needed was burgos and toledo to slay moors night and day and any faggots who oppose our political rule.

>>76449286
Nah m8 it was way more than 15%.
Also Basque Country is not Crown of Castille.
Also most of those weren't conquered but inherited. They just had to counter some rebellions.

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>>76449286
Galiciq was part of castile in 740ad.

>>76448229
Castile in the midle age was amazing. The civil war against Carlos V (revolt of the comuneros) destroy them politically. Then you have the centralization of the power in Madrid, the people who traveled to las Americas and the rural exodus in the XIX century. Spain killed Castile t b h.

>>76449447
>the people who traveled to las Americas
Why does this trigger me so much

>>76449350
The fuck are you talking about. Castile was only a county of Leon. It's not until the death of Fernando I that Castile got some importance, because he divided the kingdom among his children, only to later be united again with Leon under the empire of Alfonso VI

>>76449350
*part of Leon

>>76449350
Literally says right there in your pic that Castille was just a County and Leon was the Kingdom.

>>76449447
>the people who traveled to las Americas and the rural exodus in the XIX century.
It touched all the regions of Spain, not only Castilla.

>>76449485
Castile is the same as asturias and leon, same family

>>76449480
i don't know but it was one of the reasons of the inflation that make the empire fell... it was too soon to conquer the world. France had more of three times the population of Spain in that time

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>>76449565
WRONG, I am pure Castillian.

>>76449565
The rural exodus yes, but only the people from the kingdom of Castile could travel to the New World. At least until the first bourbon king.

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>>76449622
Any "andaluces" which didnt fucking exist because andalusia was exterminated from existence were from other parts of spain.

>>76449592
Nono, what triggered me was you not using proper English.

>>76449622
Extremadura isn't proper Castilla. It had been inherited >>76449339

>>76449565
Other regions had better administration in that terms. As i told you the revolt of the comuneros made the king avoided the castilians and be more focused investing in Andalusia and the colonies

>>76449634
>but only the people from the kingdom of Castile could travel to the New World. At least until the first bourbon king.
Why?

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>>76449685

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>>76449680
The only entities were province of granada and then kingdom of castile

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>>76449735
Because castillians are pure of blood.

>>76449735
Because the Americas belonged to the Crown of Castille.
Meanwhile the Crown of Aragon had Southern Italy.

>>76449686
Extremadura was colonized by castillians.

>>76449887
>let me tell you about your neighbouring country

>>76449930
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repoblación

>>76449735
Because "Spain" before the bourbons was only a dynastic union, so Navarra, Castilla and Aragon were separated kingdoms and the laws of one did not apply to the other. Colon proposed the voyage first to Fernando, the king of Aragon, but he refused, then he went to Isabel and she accepted thus making all the colonies in America property of Castilla

>>76449735
people from south Castille and canary islands emigrated to Mexico and Gran Colombia meanwhile Northern castilians migrated to southern cone (1800-1900) countries like Chile or Argentina.


That's explain architecture in those places, if you visit Mexico and colonial towns look like andalusia

>>76449930
well i gess you don't know about the castilian extremadura and who the settlers moved to the south

>>76450002
Wrong you subhuman

>>76449981
>>76450029
Extremadura wasn't colonized exclusively by Castille. It was partially a leonese conquest.

Can we please move this to /his/? Thank you.

>>76450100
Leon is the same as castile

>>76450179
It is not. It's part of the same Crown, but still a distinct kingdom.

>>76450202
True.

>>76450100
then you have Andalusia that basically exported their culture to Extremadura. Nowdays Extremadura is North Seville

>>76450207
Leon was a one of the kingdoms of the crown, the same thing with castile.
Leon, Galicia, Extremadura, Basque Country, Old Castile, New Castile, Extremadura, Andalucia (Seville and Cordoba) and Granada.

>>76450389
and kingdom of Murcia

>>76450389
Don't forget Murcia.
>>76449167

Castilla used to be more populated, there were internal migrations in Spain towards the coast and Madrid in the last 200 years.

A better question is why Leon got cucked by both Portugal and Castilla, which begun as counties of that kingdom.

also, before 1492, the most important economic activity in Iberia was herding sheeps in Castilla to sell the wool in future Belgium and Netherlands from the ports of the Cantabrian sea.

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>>76450460
ok...

>>76450588
>A better question is why Leon got cucked by both Portugal and Castilla, which begun as counties of that kingdom.
The real question is how did Leon last so long? It started as a small rebellion in the North, it's surprising to see how long it lasted and how well it did for itself.

>>76450588
>before 1492
We WUZ conquering and pillaging African gold as soon as 1415, actually.

We started very early on.

>>76451623
In 1492 was when they discovered the island of Hispaniola, in the Indies.

>>76451726
they, sure. we, not so much.

>>76450588
What do you mean by cucked, leon was the sane as asturias it just changed name when capital was moved to leon, castile came from a inherentqnce split of sons, galicia was made for a son, castile was made for a son, leon was made for a son etc..
There is no "nation" cucking just inheritance and politics for upper class property and power.

>>76452172
Leon was originally the main chief crown and yet Castille gained more relevance and became the main Crown, hence the "cucking".

>>76452252
They are the same, just different names for different sons property, the extent of the lands caried wildly due to it all being part of the same family, until the permanent union of castile and leon which made the property be inherited all by 1 son.

>>76452427
Definitely not the same. Asturo-leonese and castilian are different languages. Very similar though.

>>76452470
^
he have to read more about the independece of Castile with the two legendary judges of Castile and Fernand Gonzalez. Somehow the north castilian culture have more basque influence than leonese, maybe because they didn't wanted to be similar to their old lords and their first king get married with a basque princess to make castile a kingdom

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>>76452470
Who taled about languages?
It was all ruled by the same family, there was no differences in castile leon or galicia other than how the lands get inherited.

>>76452726
The people in those places were different. According to your own logic, all places in Europe were the same since all nobility married each other.

>>76452726
Also it just shows right there in your pic how Castille and Leon were separate before merging in 1230. Also charge your phone, man.

>>76452716
A bunch of basque settlers came to the regions that became Castille simply because Cantabria didn't have enough people.

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>>76452900
The people are not different, the kingdoms were created by the same family.

The nation was the same.

>>76452900
One second leon could be ruler the next castile it didnt matter as it was all the same ppl and family.

>>76453019
Nope. Castille comes from Cantabria, Leon comes from the Asturias. And Portugal comes from Galicia. There was no notion of a "nation", only a bunch of places rebelling against the Moors. The nation appeared much much later.

>>76453053
The ruler of a place is not the same as that place.
Old French nobility was from Germanic origin, yet they learned to speak a Latin language and followed the culture (Roman Catholicism) already in place at that time.
Like it literally doesn't matter where the nobility comes from. A lot of times throughout history, a king gets replaced by another coming from a completely different region with very little effect on that region.

>>76453089
See>>76453019

>>76453184
See >>76453089

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>>76452980
for that reason many castilian villages have basque names (and then castile give them fueros and now some of them want the independece because they think that they have an special and unique culture)

>>76453251
Todos nosotros somos espanyoles.

>>76453354
Also Garcia, a name of Basque origin, is the most widespread name in Spain and also somewhat common in Portugal.

>>76453089
Leon, Galicia and Cantabria came from the Asturias but the leoneses inherited the kingdom

>>76453456
Leon is a cultural and linguistical direct descendant of Asturias, just with a different name. Galicia and Cantabria however have different cultures and languages to the point where Galician was a language of poetry, for example.

>>76453441
some people says that old castilians were basques speaking latin. Castile was called Bardulia by the romans and the early kingdom of leon but many bardulos tribes were in west side of basque country

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I want eternal evil Castilla to die and disappear

WE WUZ MOORS AND SHIT

>>76453858
I didn't know that. I knew that the "th" sound in Castillian (whenever you read the letters "z", or "c" before a vowel) is also said to come from Basque, but not the Bardulia thing.

>>76448229
Castilla started further north, in Cantabria.
>>76448602
union = strentgh

>>76453715
ok... thats right
it's fun that Fernando III made the castilian the official language of the crown and his son Alfonso X loved to write poems in galaico-portuguese... at least he made the first orthography and grammar books of the castilian language to try to make it easier to teach.

>>76454104
*it's funny

>>76454104
Castilian was more of a language of science and universities, I think.

>>76454104
Wasn't there someone that described Portugal as the country where people spoke the language of kings, and Spain (Castille?) where the kings spoke the language of the people.

>>76454104
Yes it is quite ironic.

>>76454153
I never heard that.

>>76454153
i don't but maybe its true, castilian was more practical and maybe in that times galaico-portuguese more noble and beautiful

>>76454254
>Catalan universities

>>76454263
>>76454185
Yeah, I think it was some writer.

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>>76453878
So sad, for my ancestors to kill all the moors!

The national disgrace is not annihating every moor in the world and repopulating the land with iberians.

>>76454254
Incredible how Northern Portugal and Southern Portugal are quite similar (just a bit of more sephardic influence on the south).

>>76454369
delete yourself
they south shall raise again

>>76454500
Iberia can take all you filthy shitskins alone and destroy you all.

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>>76454330
kek i remembered that some kings of Castile loved to have a humble image. Alfonso VIII, the king that fought in the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa, had folding crown made with cheap materials

>>76454556
>shitskin
you wish

we will finally break out of Castillian oppresion one day, and it will be sooner than later. And this time we will succeed

>>76448663
They were muslims.

>>76454766
>we will succeed
>Castillian oppresion

#FreeCastileNow

>>76454805
No they were not, they just didn't want Castillian authority. Murcia was basically depopulated after conquest.

>>76454868
They were lad. During the XIII century at least.

>>76455237
You're right. I assumed that pic showed actual control of Murcia (and other places) but turns out they were just showing the alliance to the Castillians. Kinda stupid, not really a part of Castille if you ask me.

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>>76454399
>Galicia has more non-white DNA than Portugal
>North and South are pretty much identical genetically
>Nortenhos still call everyone south of Coimbra a shitskin
>mfw

>>76455593
Northern Africans aren't non-white, anon.

>>76455593
all depends on what haploautism meme map you look at
there was a different map where it showed portugal with more berber genes than spain
>Nortenhos still call everyone south of Coimbra a shitskin
wat

>>76448442
why are anglos obsessed by talking about moors in every threads concerning spain?
that episode is finished since 1492.

>>76455765
Calling someone from the south "mouro" (= "moro") is a common slang in northern Portugal.
Which is ironic, I'm from Lisbon and I once dated a girl from Braga but she had darker hair, eye color and skin color than me. Not that I cared even the least, but it was kinda silly.

>>76455852
The South was populated by people from the North. This shows how stupid that mouro thing is. You can encounter algarvios with light skin and light eyes, and encounter a transmontano with dark skin and dark eyes and vice versa. And portuguese have more jewish blood (much more) than arab/berber blood as shown in that pic.

>>76449987
Funny you said that because in my history books it's the reverse. Fernando accepted while Isabel denied it.

Wasn't it Castile that funded Colombus? American Gold can get you a long way

How do you pronounce Castile? When I play EU4 in my head I always say Cas-ti-lee but I'm pretty sure it's Ca-steal

>>76455852
abaixo do douro tudo mouro kek
in spain nobody does that, people hate andalucians because they are andalucians, not because they are moors
they are so fucking annoying, 90% of negative spanish stereotypes are andalucian stereotypes
>>76457600
yes castille funded columbus, and i think it also funded Americo who was a mapmaker that gave name to the new land as "the Americas / America"

>>76457721
Cuh-steel in English. Cash-tee-lla in Spanish.

>>76457721
the spanish way, LL is different from a single L
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1s5UHKMKz3v

>>76448229
>how did Castilla become the dominant region of Spain while nobody lived and still nobody lives here except Madrid which is huge, but in the past when Castilla became the dominant region of Spain Madrid didn't exist.
>In my opinion the Kingdom of Aragon had more chance to become the dominant region of Spain because it had more people and wasn't landlocked.
There wasn't really a dominant power in Iberia until Spain though. Castilla and Aragon were rather equal until the union of Ferdinand and Isabella, which is when Portugal and Spain would go on to become superpowers. Until then not a whole lot was really happening

>>76457884
>cash-tilha
Weird. I thought only us did the "sh" thing with the s's before consonants.

We also do it in plurals, though.

>>76458038
They do it as well, it's an Iberian thing.
And not doing it is an American thing. All Spanish speaking countries in the Americas don't do it, and neither does Brazil.

>>76458145
Brazil does it before consonants, just not on plurals.

At least João Gilberto says "tristeza" with it.

>>76458188
João Gilberto is from Rio de Janeiro. That's where he built most of his career anyway, so his accent is from Rio. Rio is the exception to this rule because it's the only place in Brazil where they do that sound, just like us.

>>76458263
João Gilberto is from Baía, no?

I can't tell the Brazilian accents apart all that well. Much less attribute to places.

>>76457721
Cah steaya

>>76458286
He was born in Bahia but he went to Rio at an early age and picked up the accent there.
Basically all you need to know is:
>"sh" like us means Rio
>weird English sounding "r" is from the interior of São Paulo, Minas Gerais or a little bit of Goiás and Mato Grosso do Sul
>very distinct clear sounds usually means either São Paulo the city or other big cities (and sometimes Brasília too)
>northern dialect sometimes sounds like us and other times sounds completely different and I have given up on understanding it desu

>>76458473
It's weird. They don't really have accents, they just have a large checklist of regional lisps, and there's not one region that checks all boxes neither is there one that checks none, so their "neutral accent" simply doesn't exist, like we sort of have ours with Coimbra (and down to Leiria, but even that's very debatable).

It's like how a donut's centre of mass is outside it's actual matter.

>>76458556
You're sorta wrong on this one. I get what you're saying but usually we here in Portugal are more used to the standard version used on television which is, well, a standard version based on theatrical pronunciation.
If you google any given Brazilian video and try to understand them, you will fail sometimes (at least I did). Not all their ways of speaking are understandable and some are completely attributable to accents. Even if the variations are smaller than here, there are quite some differences between northeastern and southern Brazil (as you would expect on a country as large as Europe plus a bit of Russia, I mean come on).

>>76458678
Yeah, I was knowingly simplifying it.

>we here in Portugal are more used to the standard version used on television
Yeah, but that usually includes stuff like "vermalho" and some slight, Lisbon-based regionalisms, which aren't used outside that city (and Porto with the "Vermâlho" thing), and so can be seen as a very slight deviation from a notion of "standard".

If you say that the standard is the version of the language is the one that always picks the largest speaking population's accent for each binary choice: i.e. says "vermelho" instead of "vermalho" like most of the country, says "ver" instead of "ber" like most of the country and so on and so forth. You get the version of the language which has the smallest Hamming distance from every other version, which in our case by coincidence matches the Coimbra accent (almost?) perfectly (not the Beira Interior, just Coimbra), which makes sense, because it's where a lot of intellectuals from everywhere in the country have historically gathered to study language and whatnot, like what's happening in Lisbon right now.

Brazil doesn't have that, because that would be a version of Brazilian Portuguese that isn't spoken everywhere (as it happens in large countries).

>>76458889
I was talking about the Brazilian accents. The version we're more exposed to of Brazilian Portuguese is a standard version on television based on correct theatrical pronunciation which doesn't often correspond to real life pronunciation if Brazil.
Sorry if I mis-explained myself there. I wasn't talking about our accents here, but sort of the same thing happens as well, exactly like you explained.