Why are people so butthurt about it? The Greek Empire was a political

alamanci raus

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>>76396342
i am just a history enthusiast, friend

>>76396164
>>76396444
Got bored again, Ikibey?

>>76396164
turks were evil
they learn only about one side of the history
a Greek wrote that turk subhumans didnt allow people to have horses
is like
fighting a war without fuel for vehicles

also
people are jealous of Greeks because they are better than other humans

>>76396164
people think of the muslim world and the christian world as fighting each other in medieval times and that's it
meanwhile, the true cause of the christian nations falling to muslim dominance is due to the absurd amount of infighting which proves that europe was only united against islam on extremely rare occasions
but this triggers medieval larpers so they just act cognitively dissonant to the fact that the byzantine empire was bound to shit itself due to crusades absolutely wrecking the shit out of them 200 years before the ottomans ever took Constantinople

>>76396164
turks were evil
is like

a Greek wrote that turk subhumans didnt allow people to have horses
they learn only about one side of the history

also
other humans
fighting a war without fuel for vehicles
people are jealous of Greeks because they are better than

>>76396164
>pro-Turkey post
>German flag
Like clockwork

>>76396741
Muslims and Christians didn't even fight each other that often, they mostly traded with each other and had generally amiable relationships with some mutual coastal raiding just for banter. People blow the Crusades way out of proportion

>>76399428
I meant in the Middle Ages, the Modern Era was much more rife with conflict as the Ottomans expanded towards Europe

>Shortly after Constantinople's defenses collapsed and the Ottoman troops entered the city victoriously, the pillagers and looters made their way to the Hagia Sophia and battered down its doors before storming in.
>All throughout the period of the siege of Constantinople, the trapped worshipers of the city participated in the Divine Liturgy and Prayer of the Hours at the Hagia Sophia and the church formed a safe-haven and a refuge for many of those who were unable to contribute to the city's defense, which comprised women, children, the elderly and the sick and the wounded.
>Being hopelessly trapped in the church, the many congregants and yet more refugees inside became spoils-of-war to be divided amongst the triumphant invaders.
> The building was significantly desecrated and looted to a large extent, with the helpless occupants who sought shelter within the church being either enslaved, physically and sexually violated or simply slaughtered.
>While most of the elderly and the infirm/wounded and sick were killed, a vast number of women and girls were raped and the remainder (mainly teenage males and young boys) were chained up and sold off into slavery for the Muslim conquerors.
Fuck off.

>>76396741
I always heard that but 200 years is plenty of time tbf.

>>76399593
cool story

Maybe the Greeks shouldn't've stabbed us in the back if they suddenly wanted our help again when the water was round their necks.

>>76399786
same happened to the almogavars, they were extremely good mercenaries against the turks, ffs, they even slaughtered an army of french knights while they were a light infantry

>>76399758
Not raging at you here but do you literally have no shame about your history? Are you even human?

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>>76396164
t. Karl von Habsburg

>>76399991
I'm proud of my ancestors and history

>>76399991
Never happened in their history books, just like the genocides in the early 20nth century. You got to understand that they're living in a slightly different reality than ours. They even banned wikipedia for insulting Turkey.

I think the main reason for that is that they want to push this picture of the noble turkish warrior in order to keep some kind of unity in the country, considering how unstable things are.

Imagine coming clean and telling 80 million muslims that don't get along that they are responsible for a bunch of crimes against humanity and each other.

The whole place is gonna go allah boom boom in a matter of seconds.

>>76399593
you know thats how basically all sieges ended right? the crusaders werent much better when they entered Constantinople

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*blocks you path*

>You want to take Constantinople, you're gonna have to go through us!

What do?

>>76399593
>I always heard that but 200 years is plenty of time tbf.
depends m8, china has only really started to match the west again now, nearly 150 years after the opium wars

sacking the economic hub of an empire and causing far-reaching administrative and political instability can have lasting effects, plus the empire didn't just not get attacked within those 200 years, meanwhile the ottomans were getting more powerful reaping the benefits of ex-byzantine land

>>76400372
not take Constantinople, why would i want to, i don't like the Mediterranean

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>>76400154
>looting, raping and pillaging more than half of eastern europe for centuries
>taking over and then shitting up greater civilizations causing them to decline
>being unironically hated by literally every other fucking part of Eurasia that isn't turkic
kys mudshit

>>76400394
>plus the empire didn't just not get attacked within those 200 years,
Iirc,they were actually taking back their other lands
>>76400172
Good post. How are relations between Greece and Turkey today? Is it true it's because of them you still have conscription?

>>76399593

this was extremely normal back then. Tyrks may be shit for demanding firstborn sons as taxes, but pillaging sieged cities after their surrender was the most normal thing ever, only last century rape by the war victors became unacceptable.

just look at all the destruction of the 30 years war in Europe almost 200 years after the fall of Constantinople.

>>76400460
>practically be alpha
>oy vey dey took our wimmin!

lol'd

>>76399593
That's barbaric but normal in context, what was really scummy of them was also looting the foreign legations like the Genoese and Venetian ones

>>76396164
Schwul Abdul.
Geh züruck nach die Türkei

>>76400154
turks are mongrels

>>76400372
wait until kurds take over

>>76400420
shitskin

>>76400623
shitalians are scum

>>76400623
>help the byzantines

>oy vey why du dey attack us too!

lol'd once more

>>76400460
be an honest woth yourself and realise an inferior civilisation does not take over a superior one

>>76400719
>be foreign diplomat or merchant
>get killed by subhuman camelfuckers that have no concept of diplomatic immunity

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>>76400767
>t. crusaders that literally killed women and children
You don't get diplomatic immunity for your merchants if your nation doesn't do the same.

>>76400822
That isn't how immunity works retard

>>76400822
>butthurt camelfucker diaspora still doesn't get the concept of diplomatic immunity and goes "m-muh crusaders" when talking about civilians

>>76400767
we wuz horsefuckers not camel

>>76400757
1000 cockroaches are more powerful than 1 butterfly

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>>76400594
I wish we never stopped the Russians from stomping your little shithole into the ground. Well here's for the future.

>>76400767
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Giustiniani

no me parece un diplomat o un mercador

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>>76400850
>try to declare a proxy war on another nation
>secretly try to arm a nation they are at war with
>they don't take your shit
>die

>>76400877
>we
>australia

>>76400877
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we

>>76400757
>arab conquest of the byzantines and persian territories doesn't
>huns
>germanic barbarians

>>76400873
That isn't nearly close to the ratios of the Ottoman armies vs infidels

>>76400901
>Genoa and Venice
>waging a proxy war against one of their major business partners
>arming the Byzantines
Wew

>>76400903
>>76400927
The British Empire Mehmet
>>76400940
In literally every war post-Constantinople the muslims outnumbered their opponents from ten to one

>>76400873
numbers are a factor but hardly the major one, time and again im hostory a more numerous peoples have been subjugated by a less numerous enemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDTooFASmM

>>76401014
And I mean ottomans specifically

>>76401014
>ten to one

AHSDHAHSDBAAAHAHAH

do you genuinely believe this mate?

>>76400932
those empires fell because they were stagnating, their civilisations had long pssed their peak and so a stronger peoples were able to overtake them

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>>76401014
Logistics. They were able to field, supply and handle much bigger armies then their opponents, and also due to this, they could start their campaign much earlier then their European enemies, which often proved decisive since Ottomans had longer time to siege castles and their enemies was not able to concentrate their forces in time.

>>76401014
your embarassing yourself mate look at the numbers in Gallipoli

>>76400998
Genoa and Venice occasionally went to war with the Ottomans from time to time, but they already had agreements that once the wars ended they would immediately go back to trade so nobody would lose their shekels. They also had trade ports and land that they were leased across the coast. However certain families decided to use that privilege to smuggle arms to Greeks/Byzantines they sympathized with and were btfo.

>>76401075
>byzantine forces-7,000–10,000 (most of whom were civilians)
>ottomans- 80,000
>>76401087
So you agree that it was a horde zerg rush most of the time?

>>76400940
Byzantium was destroyed by whites
turks were and still are subhumans and have no chance against humans in battle

Christianity is the only true religion you shitskin.


>>76401033
write again

>>76401147
>>76401033
>time and again im hostory a more numerous peoples have been subjugated by a less numerous enemy
barring mehmed 2 and atatturk there barely had any good commander worth giving a shit about

>>76401156
IN
((((((((EVERY)))))))))
WAR
POST
CONSTANTINOPLE

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Allah hates geyreeks and so do I.


time to finish them off Turkey

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>>76401181
>wh*tes destroy their own civilization
CANNOT BE FABRICATED

>>76401148
>selling stuff to people is ground to have your diplomatic immunity violated
W E W

>>76401239
turks are subhumans and turkey is dead

>>76401241
they were jealous

>>76401247
Obviously selling stuff to an enemy at war with a nation you have agreements with violates those agreements. It's like when America started giving weapons to the Chinese in the Japanese-Chinese war and started crying when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor cause of it.

Not to mention the only people that were killed were the ones that were caught breaking the agreements or were actually in the battles themselves and were btfo.

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white people are subhuman and can't fight.

>>76401033
>a more numerous peoples have been subjugated by a less numerous enemy
The opposite happened here tho kek. And barring Khalid and perhaps Saladeen not really.

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subhumans destroyed this

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>>76401239

>>76401241
wh*te ((((people))) are mentally ill self destructive garbage and shouldnt ever be allowed to hold political positions because all they bring is corruption and discord

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>>76401509
TINY WH*TE BENIS

>>76401509
2bh
your average european can punch average turk to death

>>76401514
whites and muslims

>>76401513
* Saladin

>>76401514
Greeks are subhumans?

>>76401521
turks are subhumans

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>>76401551
>average eurocuck can beat up alpha males
baka

>>76401586
Greeks are better than other humans you shitskin

>>76401620
europeans are taller and stronger than sandniggers
they just dont fight in groups like shitskins

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>>76401625
>>76401625
Ikibey please

>>76399991
>do you literally have no shame about conquering the Roman Empire?
You are an idiot.

>>76401667
whats wrong with that you shitskin?

>>76401513
i was showing you that numbers arent the deciding factor when did i specificaly mention the Turks

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>>76401695
I sadly was born a wh*tey

>>76401754
i dont believe you because most americans here are shitskins

>>76401826
t. gayreek

>>76401861
shitskin

>>76401861
you can not insult superior greek race you dumbfuck

>>76401156
The Ottoman army was incredibly advanced in the 15th and 16th centuries when they did most of their conquering, m8.
The Janissary corps provided, during its prime, a near invincible elite corps of professional infantry. The Ottoman mehter bands were the first dedicated military bands in centuries in Europe. The Ottoman army adopted gunpowder and artillery extremely effectively, certainly more effectively than anyone else in the time period in question except maybe the Spanish with their tercios.
In Suleyman's time, the army would be composed of a core group of 20,000 Janissaries and other infantry flanked on both sides by professional and feudal cavalry numbering about 50,000 in total.
You're incredibly ignorant of history.

t. knower

>>76401946
they got cannons from hungarians
very backward empire
how shit can people only be?

>>76402036
>>76402036
>hungarians didn't have any cannons
>gave them to the ottomans
>got conquered with the cannons they didn't give
The ottoman empire was just christians armies with Muslim commanders conquering other christians.

>>76401156
Constantinople is not current istanbul. Walled area was simple 3 small neighborhood. Less than 20 km2. No one could supply more than 50k soldiers in there.

>christian armies
you need educashan jake

>>76402082
what?

>>76402182
He is making fun of you for being a retard.

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>>76402213
you are a retard you shitskin

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>>76402300
turks are subhumans

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>>76402346
>>76402304
>>76402182
>>76402036
>>76401878
>>76401826
>>76401695
>>76401663
>>76401625
>>76401590
>>76401551
>>76401181
>>76396592

>>76402346
ok subhuman

>>76402398
turks are subhumans
not me

>>76402425
anan orospu baban pezevenk sen orospu çocu

>>76402425
Still a subhuman

>>76402425
ax be oğlan

ananı siktiler diye bunlara gerek yoq

>>76402547
>>76402558
>>76402576
3 subhumans

plus you, makes 4.

>>76402706
why do you call fellow turks subhumans

>>76402918
i am not of your kind
subhuman
>>76402952
I do not associate with turks.

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>tfw you will never get to visit a Christian Greek controlled Constantinople

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>>76403038
anayın amq koyim piç

>>76405143
yanma
>>76396164
hahaha

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>>76405201
keees anası fahişe piç

>>76405338
crimea river

>>76400822
>crusaders that literally killed women and children
the effect of crusades and the number of crusades was tiny compared to the wars the Ottomans waged in the balks.

really tiny, nearly insignificant

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ITT

>>76405924
1 of the 2 turkish subhumans in uk
at least whites contributed something to humanity

>>76405924
That spain map is horribly innacurate

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>>76401521
>>76401239
you're going to finish off in each other's ass like all good closeted macho homos do

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>>76405924
right on

>>76408626
>cuckway

>>76405924
At least Turk's can say they legitimately conquered the Eastern Roman Empire and the Balkan's through might and effort.
The greatest 'conquests' happened in colonization through disease spreading and beating back spear wielding savages.

Without the Turk's weakening India and China through regression they'd still be out of grasp.

>>76408626
albanian or chechen subhuman

>>76408689
turks are subhumans

>>76408708
whites did
turks are subhumans