V4 leaving EU when? I'm a Czech student studying in America

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>>76158130

>>76158166
Beautiful

>ifunny

>>76158130
do you know that if you don't accept refugees or leave, the EU will not give you gibs?

> inb4 V4 is rich
lol look at our President's wife. She left the V4 shitland because it was so shit

fuck off

>>76158130
Another braindead /pol/tard without the slightest grasp on reality.
>I'm a Czech student
Sure thing, burger.

>>76158517
>look at our President's wife. She left the V4 shitland because it was so shit

Melania is from Slovenia, not from V4.
Of course i don't expect a dumb American to know the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia.

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>>76158608

>>76158517
Well, she's from Slovenia and USA is a violent hellhole compared to it.

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Sadly there is no turning back. They will get what they want no matter what.

>>76158608
you wanna refute anything he said?

>>76158130
Rofl, never. Every single V4 country is economically completely dependant on Germany. We're the biggest trading partner by far of every V4 country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Czech_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Slovakia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Hungary
If the V4 were a single country it would be Germany's largest trading partner, ahead of France, USA and China.

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>>76158608

>>76158608
I wish I could prove it But there genuinely is no way

>>76158130
Please stay there so I don't have to be ashamed of another Czech flag on here.

For the record, I also think we should get out of the EU but the rest is of your post is completely retarded.

>>76158130
I too would like to be 14 years old once again

You're just bunch of dependent german puppets, realistically your countries don't get the choice to leave. Well you could but you have to change "poverty" to "extreme poverty".

>>76159699
Except posting something proper in Czech or posting a timestamp with your passport in a matter of seconds.

>>76159745
>leave the EU
>Germany makes sure we can still trade with them

it goes both ways, my slant-eyed friend

>>76158130
>based Slav council
Pan-slavism is dead, period.

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>>76158517
>She left the V4 shitland because it was so shit
>Slovenia
>shit
wtf, do you ever been there?

>>76158130
What an economic powerhouse you will be without free gibs from the EU

>>76159795
Our East European workbench can always be replaced by an East Asian workbench.

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I totally agree with you,
I never want to see Polish beautiful cities being filled with foreigners and spicy smell!

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This is what happens when a country takes in bunch of immigrants from third world

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>>76158864
> West;

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>>76159795
The difference being you have no avenues of trade expansion if you leave, you have 0 sway in tradepolitics without EU. Germany could just ditch you this moment and they'd just increase trade with China or other east asian countries or take off the trade restrictions with Russia.

You're poor ex-ussr non countries with less than pathetic economies that can't simply compete without EU.

Finland could again easily Leave Eu and even benefit from it. We could change back to our old currency and increase Russian and US trade without Eu restrictions and regulations.

This is economics 101 for you nonce.

>>76159872
> Slovenia is best country
> but you'd rather marry a 70 year old orange wrinkled American and leave Slovenien man, than date a Slovenian man in Slovenia

>>76160321
and American women often let Arab royalty hit them up on instagram so they can be brought to Dubai and be shit on for money, what the fuck is your point you stupid nigger?

>>76159894
Not really.

>>76160105
>Germany could just ditch you

Nope, they own quite a lot here and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let that investment go to waste.

>You're poor ex-ussr non countries with less than pathetic economies that can't simply compete without EU.

It's not the 90s anymore

>increase Russian and US trade

You don't have anything to trade. Your only succesful company was Nokia and you sold that to Microsoft.

>take off trade restrictions to Russia

Guess which countries lie between Russia and Germany and could make exporting there difficult. Not to mention Russians are poor as fuck and dealing with them is a pain in the ass.

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>>76160621
>
You don't have anything to trade. Your only succesful company was Nokia and you sold that to Microsoft.

You're retarded are you?

Russia has been our biggest trading partner since 50s? They import a shitton of finnish produce in electronics, dairie products and food in general as it's much higher quality they even panicked a bit when EU restricted the food trade with them since they couldn't get any finnish milk and cheese anymore.

>>76160621
>Not really.
Yes, really. China became Germany's largest trading partner in 2016, besting the US from previous year.
And there's huge growth potential.

>>76159745
and your country can't choose between "nigger dicks" and "muslims dicks". You'll suck both

>>76160105
> ex-ussr non countries
okay, stop taking this faggot seriously

>>76160321
Don't talk shit about the most powerful orange in the word mate

>>76160692
So what are you going to be trading with the USA which is half the world away?

>food

Lol, if Poland dropped restrictions, you'd out of that market by nightfall

>>76160726
>China became Germany's largest trading partner in 2016

Duh, considering they make almost everything

>there's huge growth potential

t. beginner analyst

BRICS are always made out as countries with huge potential and there is a good reason why that potential stays only as potential

>>76160105
>it's a Finn thinks his country is relevant outside of imageboards episode

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>>76160862
Atleast we're not a leeching money from other countries.

>>76160843
>Duh, considering they make almost everything
Read: they can easily replace the V4 countries as Germany's workbench.

>BRICS are always made out as countries with huge potential and there is a good reason why that potential stays only as potential
Are you retarded? Have you missed that China has had the single largest economic growth over the last couple of decades of any country in all of history?

>>76160843
>Lol, if Poland dropped restrictions, you'd out of that market by nightfall


Except we dominated that Russian market even before the restrictions.

Please stop being stupid.

>>76160900
yeah because you're Nazi collaborators and only got fucked from one direction during the war, good for you Finland stronk

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>>76160960
I feel no shame and don't know why should i. You pick your allies depending on the situation, Allies had no way getting here and Communism isn't a choice at all. That means you stick it up and fight whoever you get at your side.

>>76160960
They were zerg rushed you gotta give them at least a bit of credit

>>76161027
of course they fought well but what I was saying was that they could easily have been a shithole today too

If you guys decide to get off Mr. Junckers halal ride I'll move to Brünn.

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>>76160914
>easily

Bernd, Škodas are selling better Volkswagens. You think you can just pack up all the shit you have here and ship half the world away, teach chinks to produce quality cars, not skimp out on parts and not to bleed you dry in bribe money? Think again.

>largest economic growth

You mean halfway catching up with the rest of the developed world. Besides, Chink numbers are notoriously suspect and the richer they get, the more averse to foreign capital they are going to be.

>>76160923
>we dominated the milk market

Such an achievement, Finland #1.

>>76161108
>Brünn

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>le V4 is stronger out of the EU meme
I don't think anyone in the EU would be sad if you leeching shitholes left. Also, the sanctions aren't over not taking refugees, Slovakia has barely taken any refugees but has not had sanctions imposed on them. The sanctions are because the V4 leaders opted to instead take the "appeal to dumb electorate" route by just publicly telling the EU to fuck off instead of taking the proper legal channels.

>>76161141
take off the proxy

>>76161158
Not using one, retard. Just because you're mad that I don't have a German flag you can respond to instead of my actual post doesn't mean that you've made an argument.

>>76161182
I didn't say anything about being German

>>76161141
>proper legal channels

They did, Tyrone. The quota system lawsuit has been put forward to the Euro court and has been lying there since 2015. These "sanctions" are going to fizzle out soon.

What a cheerful atmosphere.
What a delightful, functioning, respectable for the needs and unique culture of each member, institution the eu is.
A beacon of democracy envied globally.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>76161222
You implied it. Unless of course you meant >LE ISRAELI FLAG XDDD

>>76161246
Why would anything change while the lawsuit is still in court? It would remain as the status quo until the case is decided.

>>76161281
pay denbts

>>76161122
>Bernd, Škodas are selling better Volkswagens. You think you can just pack up all the shit you have here and ship half the world away, teach chinks to produce quality cars, not skimp out on parts and not to bleed you dry in bribe money?
Dude, German automakers already make 50% of their revenues in China. China is the world's largest auto market by a long shot. Relocating more to China would increase economies of scale.

>You mean halfway catching up with the rest of the developed world. Besides, Chink numbers are notoriously suspect and the richer they get, the more averse to foreign capital they are going to be.
Lol, they're not as stupid as Trump. Of course they're catching up. That's what growth means. That's where the revenue increase is being realized.

>>76161308
Go home, iki.

>>76161295
wow, you got me there
how will i ever recover?

>>76161122
>Such an achievement, Finland #1.

Never claimed so just refuting your butthurt

>>76161295
>American
>having stupid MS paint meme comics about Poles saved
>caring about EU internal legal processes
>caring about where EU money goes
pick one, you're some butthurt Western Yuro here to study or proxyfagging

>>76161141
Sucking German dick sure is better, rite?
>tfw yuor country is so outdated that there are no rapes, terrorist attacks or shitskins living on welfare in your country

I am greek.
What about you guys?

>>76161382
>if you're interested in international politics your a stupid european proxyfag
>/int/ - international

>>76161383
Explain to me, why then do Poles migrate en masse to countries that do?

>>76161141
>leeching shitholes
Germans killed almost the half of the Polish population during ww2. Do you really think that Poland receiving that money is "leeching"?

>>76161347
>boast with irrelevant goods

Ok

>>76161312
>50% of revenue
>market

Says exactly nothing about production.

>economies of scale

So you want to build a factory in China to sell to Chinese customers and trust the Chinks not to copypaste the shit out of the product and sell it themselves? I'm glad you're not in charge of any car manufacturer.

>>76161428
Because we have shitty government that taxes almost everything Poles do and wonders why everybody dodged taxes. That's on top of other bad policies.

>>76161428
okay so you're just a clueless faggot then never mind

>>76161490
implying it's not the slav mentalitity

there's no escaping it

>>76161566
dude Slavs lmao

>>76159769
We all know he isn't Czech.
A European person would have imediately thought about a passport. Americans don't grasp the concept of having an ID. That's why he is so convinced for himself that there is no way to proove nationality...
He is a Burger!

>>76161682
does the average European know what NATO is

I always hear about NATO in the news but I still don't know what it is

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>>76161682
>Americans don't grasp the concept of having an ID

>>76159900
shit map
there hasn't been a single terrorist attack in austria
except maybe franz fuchs

>>76161593
Well, I don't get it.
Why are you all that angry in this thread?
V4 is a historical and culturally close group of nations. That's fine.
Germany has done big investments in Some of the V4 and in Slovenia and other close by Eastern European countries.
The EU helps in buffing your infrastructure a lot, especially in Poland.
Westslav countries perform pretty good compared with non EU Slavic states like Belarus... or Ukraine...or Russia
So why aren't we having a big time party?
I don't get it.
Too pride to have fun and friends?

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>>76160105
>You're poor ex-ussr

>>76161764
Germans know. We have continuous debates about NATO for decades now.

There's no way Slovakia would leave the EU. Vast majority of population is pro-EU, we are the second most dependent country on the trade with EU (just after Luxembourg) and only one political party (fascists) wants it.

ĽSNS is gathering signatures for an EU referendum for a year now and they still couldn't get those 350,000 needed. There's no way in hell 50% of the eligible voters would come to the vote, which is required for it to be binding. Supreme court is currently hearing the case about dissolution of their party, so they're soon going to fuck off anyway.

>>76161976
because we have no domestic industry and you're all currently trying to take us to court over refugees

>Westslav countries perform pretty good compared with non EU Slavic states like Belarus... or Ukraine...or Russia
more "dude slavs lmao"

>>76162061
For that matter, even when they manage to get those signatures after let's say 5-6 years, I doubt parliament or constitutional court won't block it. There will be no EU referendum, because even if it was unsuccessful, it would still damage our standing.

>>76161489
>Says exactly nothing about production.
The look up OICA production statisics, dumbass.

>So you want to build a factory in China to sell to Chinese customers and trust the Chinks not to copypaste the shit out of the product and sell it themselves? I'm glad you're not in charge of any car manufacturer.
Our automakers already have lots of factories in China. And it's working out great for us. Thanks for your concern. But getting evn more there would increase economies of scale.

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>>76162084
Not that anon but you're a retard. pic related.

Wish we'd never invited them in the first place

>>76159916
Christmas markets are a German tradition and the Polish copying them is pathetic especially considering how much they hate Germans

>>76162419
You need to broaden your horizons Hans. Not only Germans have Christmas traditions. I hoped that refugees has taught you some more tolerance for the other cultures :(

>>76162061
nice example of European citizen
sorry V4 for betrayal, you know how it goes
voters are shits and nobodies so they dont get to decide what they want

>>76162412
Wishes are for the weak. It was the correct decision as there was still considerable danger of them falling back into dictatorship. Same with the southern EU countries. EU has been a force for democracy in a way the US can only dream to be.

>>76158130
Post passport and timestamp or shut the fuck up.

>>76158864
you can dress like a woman but you can't skip the man-spread

>>76159916
In my perfect Europe, this would not happen

My explanation

1. No soldiers
2. Only covert KGB
3. Whoever speaks anything but Russian, disappears in the night
4. Lenin statues everywhere

That was my explanation as how Europe could be perfect: Russia extends from Ukraine to Portgual and communism is in full swing

No borders, no language differences, no social classes. We all soviet brothers.

>>76162866
it gets worse than that pic because the eu funds never find their way to the public. it's basically stolen, within 72 hours it lands on private accounts of politicians and their extended family.

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>>76160900
>leeching
Stop parroting memes:

Why not save even more – for example, the billions in E.U. structural funds that go to
Poland and Hungary, since those two countries refuse to take in refugees?

Günther Oettinger, E.U. Commissioner for Budget and Human Resources:
Budgetary policy shouldn’t be used to impose political penalties. The structural funds are for making weak regions more competitive.
And a large part of every euro the E.U. gives Poland comes back to Germany.
The Poles use the money to place orders with the German construction industry, to buy German machines and German trucks.
So net contributors such as Germany should be interested in the structural funds.
From an economic perspective, Germany isn’t a net contributor but a net recipient.

Source:
https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/oettinger-germany-may-have-to-pay-more-to-e-u-714934

>>76163157
haha same, its EXACT reason why we will took refugees
because they threaten to stop the bribes I mean eu funds

>>76162699
Should've just let them fail on their own again and then invite them under harsher terms. Right now they just see you as a money bag, nothing more.

>>76158130
Every V4 country is a shithole that is not safe. Poland and Hungary are borderline dictatorships and Czechia and Slovakia aren't even real countries. With no history other than being a bufferzones. If anyone ever benefited from the European union, its those shithole, ungrateful eastern european slavs. The EU was kind enough to take them in after the soviet occupation, and spend Billions of euros to rebuild and better the life situation. As a result, some of them have the impudence to say that they would be better off with the EU and not helping us in these dire situations.

Fuck V4, and I agree, they should leave the EU so that Russia can fucking conquer and destroy them again.

>>76163240
Poland and every v4 country is objectively safer than Germany, not even bothering to read the rest

>>76163240
>Poland and Hungary are borderline dictatorships
only if you watch tv, you would never notice this just walking on the streets. yet.

>>76163300
ooga booga economics, fuck the people's lifes amirite? few people dead under truck wheels? small price for economic growth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9V8POmuxg

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>>76163240
the reality is tough but you must face it

>>76163199
>From an economic perspective, Germany isn’t a net contributor but a net recipient.
Moot point. From an economic perspective, every single EU member is a net recipient. That's the thing about free trade. It's not a zero sum game. It's voluntary and mutually beneficial. If it wasn't it simply wouldn't take place.

>>76163207
>Should've just let them fail on their own again and then invite them under harsher terms.
That possibility would not have existed. They would have become little autocracies, a belt of little Turkeys all around Eastern Europe. We couldn't let this happen.

>>76163405
1 eu is not in any way a free market it's a protectionist shitshow
2 the system would indeed work even if it's not beneficial to all, because or bribery and the politico-economic pressure the eu members can lean with on anyone trying to get away greatly distort the normal market relations.

>>76163240
>V4
>not safe
I'm literally lmaoing at you, they're some of the safest countries in the world you fucking idiot.

>>76163469
you only delayed the inevitable ;(

>>76163405
It's not moot when you're accusing fellow members states with "leeching".

>>76163300
>>76163309
>>76163380
>>76163542
There can be no terrorism in the V4 countries because the population is defacto terrorist. Hundreds of western europeans magically "disappeared" in Hungary, and Poland. It is not save for western europeans to move on the streets at night. But keep boasting how you don't have any terrorist attacks dumb russian rape babies

>this whole thread
china conquer the world soon enough

>>76163515
>1 eu is not in any way a free market it's a protectionist shitshow
It has some protectionist policies /wrt the outside, particularly in agriculture. But the internal market is as good a free trade zone as they come, especially in the Eurozone.

>2 the system would indeed work even if it's not beneficial to all, because or bribery and the politico-economic pressure the eu members can lean with on anyone trying to get away greatly distort the normal market relations.
Corruption was highest under communist rule. The EU is an institution that promotes statehood, democracy and rule of law. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Next you'll come with Soros and da joos...

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>>76163637

>>76163637
>when you OD on memes: the post

>>76163552
That was Finnbro, not me. We're the ones accusing you of not doing your part.

>>76163469
>We couldn't let this happen
Of course you couldn't that's why you have little Turkeys in all your state capitals.

>>76163637
Nobody is talking about terrorism here. Please look at the actual statistics and shut up before you embarass yourself further.

>hundreds of western europeans have disappeared in Poland and Hungary
>it's not safe at night
my sides are in orbit

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>>76158130
>I'm a Czech student studying in America

so you are a jew dont you?

>>76163637
>Hundreds of western europeans magically "disappeared" in Hungary, and Poland.
first time i hear about it, but... you have to understand one thing about the night life the tourists are so fond of. it's ran by fucking criminal scum. the drugs are unsafe fuck knows what's in them. and the security assholes that are supposed to protect you will sometimes kill you if you mouth off to them drunk because they are fucking subhumans with the iq of a chimpanzee.

but just walking on the streets in normal hours is pretty goddamn safe.

>>76163469
I understand where you're coming from, but in the end what has been the effect of pulling them under our protection? They're still lapsing into autocracy, they refuse to yield to even the mildest criticism (like a few years ago in Poland with the courts), in what possible universe will these countries ever develop into reliable democracies? At least if we'd left them to Russia their potential to cause damage would've been more limited.

>>76163683
>Next you'll come with Soros and da joos...
soros was the one that paid the tuition of the fuckers that rule now steal everything and mouth off dictatoric anti-eu and anti-civilian rhetorics every day from all media. thx old jew!

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BREAKING NEWS

Hungary accepts refugees because they still want EU gibs

>>76163550
The people have the power. They can go to the streets and stand up for their democratic institutions or they can choose to do nothing and let the autocrats slowly learn what is and isn't possible so they can turn your country into a dictatorship. Get organized.

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>>76163157
40% of eu funds get "lost"
we lost 500 Million Euros due to that and somehow people here and from other countries need to remind how EU killed corruption here and that without EU we would not even have a toilet and other bullshits like that

but hey lets look at this ultra modern restroom in some shithole for 65 000 Euro

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>>76158130
hey op,

i found out recently my grandfather is czech, and i am interested in learning czech.

i already became fluent in mandarin, so i'm not daunted. just wondering if you'd know of any resources your country has for foreigners studying the language, or if i should just do the usual bit of learning vocabulary, grammar, and listening?

>>76163240
umm sweetie... Czech (bohemia) is a more real country than Germany...

>>76163894
> i already became fluent in mandarin
> dat flag

is grandpa Czech sad that his great-grandchildren will be half-Chinese?

>>76163723
And they're damn glad they won't have to live under Erdogan. By now we could probably establish a second general staff with Turkish generals on political asylum in Germany.

>>76163923
i learned it for my job, cunt. i made 2 million last year installing network switches in chengdu

>>76163768
You're only seeing one side of the struggle. These countries have huge shares of the population in favor of democracy. They're hooked on being a modern Western nation and don't want to give it up. This thing is far from decided.

>>76163830
never was the hungarian way
we just suddenly go from long time bitching to revolution in 2 days when its too much

>>76163808
I have to correct myself. You don't sound liek a conspiracy theorist. You are a conspiracy theorist.
back to >>>/pol/

>>76163240
>even fucking Germans are annoyed by western Slavs
Make me think

>>76163930
stop lying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoEkbRYNprw

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>>76158608

>>76163995
Nothing comes overnight or for free. Everything in life that is of value comes at the cost of hardship and a lot of work. The lifeblood of democracy is participation. Participate!

>>76164024
actually these are facts, no matter how much venom the fidesz spits on soros they (and their children) all got their diplomas thanks to him or financed by him.

when you see orban saying soros this and soros that and how he is an evil many just think about that soros scholarship he got and the strong backing in his early political carrier.
https://coub.com/embed/oaef8?maxheight=484&maxwidth=640

>>76164055
They're about 16% of our Turkish population. The majority didn't even bother to vote despite being eligible because they simply see themselves not as Turkish anymore. Obviously you can't win them all but the vast majority is fully integrated.

Also:
>https://www.thelocal.de/20170403/hundreds-of-turkish-officials-and-families-seek-asylum-in-germany

>>76163719
I've seen plenty of german users in other threads repeating the "leech"statement, obviously this applies to them.
Anyway, we did our part, we spent approx. 800 million Euros on the border fence
and the government would rather help "on the ground" than potentially putting
its own population in harm's way:

http://abouthungary.hu/news-in-brief/hungary-helps-iraqi-christians-with-145-million-huf-in-pharmaceutical-aid/

>>76158166
This.

>>76164268
>the government would rather help "on the ground"
yet nobody ever seen a hungarian soldier anywhere near syria. it's all talk and pitiful gestures.

I am for leraving EU if it means deregulation or small enterprises and more freedoms.

But since most Czechs are masochistic statist cucks who love the feeling of state’s leash tightening around their neck, in reality it would mean further oligarchization and moralism, I stick with EU and even welcome refugees.

why are slavs so butthurt, calm down friends

>>76164393
They are making decisions based on rational thought. There is nothing wrong with that.

>>76164351
>"on the ground"
With "on the ground" I didn't mean military action (maybe minesweeping) rather than distributing aid and rebuilding infrastructure.

>>76164502
>minesweeping
Meant "demining".

>>76164661
We should put up minefields all around Europe.

There are smart mines that will jump at people to assure a kill instead of just mutilating them now, so it's ethically acceptable.

>>76164748
we have minefields all around europe at least in the balkans.

>>76164268
>I've seen plenty of german users in other threads repeating the "leech"statement, obviously this applies to them.
You won't hear it from me.

>Anyway, we did our part, we spent approx. 800 million Euros on the border fence
That's not really helping, only shifting the problem to other parts of Europe. When the EU asked its membrs to do their part it was about relieving the exposed southern countries which bear the brunt of the migrant crisis.
We're not asking you to take some of the ~ one million migrants we took in 2015/16. That we did for free to take pressure of the Balkans, courtesy of the strongest EU member and with some help of Sweden and Austria. No, the migrant redistribution is about newcomers.

>>76165148
>We're not asking you to take some of the ~ one million migrants
not that we couldn't easily. from the price of a single stadium we could feed and shelter 100000 refugees indefinitely. but i guess hungarian football is more important you must understand.

>>76164944
If muslim invaders can cross the green borders, there aren't nearly enough of them.

>>76158130
>cringy burger op

>>76165148
oh yeah and we could have sustained from the price of that fence 10000 refugees for 22 years. but fence is prettier you must understand.

>>76165286
They are not refugees, they are immigrants, Germany wants them to stay. It's EU and UN politics, they planned this shit a decade ago, the papers are not a secret, look em up.

>>76165299
mines are not very good at stopping muslim men they just make their wives walk before them. and get an other wife when needed.

>>76165286
I'm not a friend of this vs that arguments in budget discussions. It usually clouds more than clarifies.
But I agree that it's mostly about a lack of political will on the part of the Hungarian government.

>>76165395
i don't give a fuck if they stay or not, but as long as you treat them as refugees you have to shelter and feed them. we are talking about a million in a 500 million population of which only 370 million is not an immigrant but born european.

>>76165409
The mines I'm proposing have a kill range of 200m if I remember correctly.

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>>76165395
>they planned this shit a decade ago, the papers are not a secret, look em up.
You read it in pic related, right?

>>76165488
you should make them wait random intervals from triggering to detonation.

>>76165422
well when i budget things at home it's always this vs that because i have a given amount of money i have to make do with and have to decide what to invest in or what to forgo because it's marginal usefulness and high price.

it should be the same for state budgets not just take shit for granted and ask for more loans when they really need some extra cash for something.

>>76165483
You tell me. We have like 40,000 ethnic Austrian births in a year, another 40k are from migrants and we took in about 160,000 so called refugees mostly Afghans.

>>76165594
Yes, but you don't slash entire sections of your budget just because something else yields greater returns. Every section has its purpose.

>>76165525
No you idiot, they are on the official UN and EU sites. As I said that's not some conspiracy nonsense, I don't deal in that kind of shit.

>>76165598
drop in a bucket my man the funniest shit is the overall migration did not actually increase with the syrian war it just got more attention. most immigrants in the eu arrived long before the war.

>>76165660
You sure sound like one.

>>76165651
>but you don't slash entire sections of your budget just because something else yields greater returns
oh yes you can. if i could for example i would slash the crap out of sport financing and financing of religious institutes and church schools. in a heartbeat.
>Every section has its purpose.
uhm maybe in a sane country.

>V4 leaving EU when?
Never lel

I hate the eu. Italy economy was growing, life was cheap and corporate bastard sold us to eu inflating everything. The reason why they force us to join was because there was a being the scene scheme to profit from currency exchange.

Also kick out illigal rapist niggers and sand niggers.

>>76165776
>Also kick out illigal rapist
from what i heard the raping of workers in italy by italians is pretty much institutionalized. you my friend have a rape culture. that's rare outside of africa. so kindly shut the fuck up.

>>76165738
That would disenfranchise big parts of the population. Shifting priorities is the sane policy. Radicalism is usually just destructive. A society has to look to be inclusive for as many part of itself as possible. After all that's what society means. The latin roots of the word essentially describe togetherness.

>>76165841
look the churches could finance their own schools no questions about it and if they can't then i guess there was no real demand for it.

as for sports professional sport that does not finance itself from the market is bullshit. it just breeds corruption favoritism and shit results.

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>>76165776
people always glorify the past. but it'S bs

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>>76163888
>how EU killed corruption

i wonder how many billions they dropped to cover it.

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Dear fellow EU´ers,

wouldn´t you prefer if we instead of taking in neglieble amount of refugees (which will flee west asap), sent policemen to guard border and aid to our friends in Levant, thus effectivelly reducing the amount of immigrants arriving to the union?

>>76158130
Dont post russian propaganda again.

>>76165989
It's more about the message it sends than the actual purpose. Border control would look too "cruel" and foreign aid is too remote so EU officials won't be interested

>>76165989
No.

Europe must burn if we are to recover.

>>76165958
>if they can't then i guess there was no real demand for it.
With that argument one could get rid of social security altogether. The old proverb is true: a cynic is a person who knows the price of everything and the value of none.
You can't put a price tag on everything.

>>76165989
we should stop dicking around and move in with arms. russia and the us are having a great giggle at destabilizing the region at our expense. we move in push the shit in of every sandnigger that wants trouble and divide the lands based on cultural and religious territory lines unlike last time.

>>76165989
Do both. You're welcome to assist the German-led mssion to patrol the Turkish-Greek border waters with your mighty navy...

>>76166050
>With that argument one could get rid of social security altogether.
that's not near the same. if the churches can't support the schools give them back to the state for upkeep. it doesn't mean to close the schools. it means the church either pays for it or it's not "theirs" to spread their propaganda in them.

>>76165989
They still havent relocated the people from Quotas 2015 (160 000) Meanwhile additional 1 million came and its something like 250 000 per year nowadays
Also EU is not that stupid, I bet they will come with plan to keep them here, something like no welfare if you leave the state or something

>>76166047
this
the EU is controlled by corporations. This happens to everything thats not democratic

>>76166050
here, something to think about: http://budapestbeacon.com/news-in-brief/report-church-schools-receive-three-times-funding-state-schools/47474

>>76166154
>that's not near the same.
It's the same line of resoning: looking only at revenue and profits and ignoring all other considerations.
We, too, in Germany have our problems with church-led schools or kindergardens that are paid for the most part by the taxpayer. But a radical cut isn't a solution. It always sounds dull and boring to advocate slow, steady reforms, especially in ths age of (social) media frenzy fueled populism. But this dull approach is the way of good policy. Good politics is finding good compromises.

>>76165752
Czechs are actually quite anti-EU, so they might leave one day. Hungary and Poland could be sanctioned after which support for the EU would plummet.

I don't see how would we leave though.

>>76158864
The fact that these two get along in America speaks pretty well of our society

>>76166342
oh don't get me wrong i would be perfectly happy with church institutes costing less per capita than state ones by any amount.

but separation of state and church is the landmark of a free society. the churches receive this hush money for the unconditional support to the state policies that actually find their way into the sermons in churches yes shit is that bad.

to reverse this long going and awful trend i think cutting all funding would only be appropriate. you can try to treat cancer by starving it slowly but that's not what western medicine is all about. they like bombing the shit out of it with some collateral and call it a day.

>>76166554
i thought that was in uk.

>>76166594
That's NYC subway

>>76165525
lol

>>76163240
Go home, Klaus Kleber. Nobody here believes your lies.

>>76166628
it's the picture of girls in classroom wearing hijab by the dozens that confused me.

>>76166554
It only shows that muslims are a smaller minority in the USA than in Europe.

>>76166567
If you feel this passionate about a subject you can always engage in politics and try to achieve an improvement. But you won't get far with radicalism.

>>76163090
Yeah, high quatlity post, Togliatti

>>76166554
I was all over Florida for a year and I saw maybe two headrag people and they were tourists.

I live in the center of Vienna and I see more than that every 30 minutes.

>>76166753
>get into politics
i'm not crazy. 20 years ago it would have been nothing special. 8 years ago it would have been a sad affair but not suicide. today it would risk my family and my own safety and future employment.

>>76166739
We've got the largest Muslim population in the West bruv.

The issue isn't numbers or percentage, so much as wealth. It's very rare to see a Muslim woman covered up like that. Most Muslims here are wealthier because it's harder to immigrate, and thus more secular.

>>76163240
why is the eternal germ so spiteful towards the EU-sceptics

>>76166857
because germany became near superpower by eu as an economic greenhouse for them specially.

>>76166857
Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks are some of the most pro-EU nations. Hungarian and Polish gov'ts are euroskeptic, but openly calling for exit from the EU would be a political suicide.

>>76159030
Why bother? /pol/tards are incapable of listening to reason unless it affirms their pre-existing biases.

>>76166739
This may be true, but even if their numbers rise and they get uppity, there are still enough psycho rednecks to keep them in check. The constant threat of real violence helps keep lots of people in check.
A Muslim is less likely to start shit with me if he knows that, as long as he struck me first, I can shoot him dead with full legal justification. Fuck, I love my country.

>>76166857
The V4 countries aren't EU skeptics. They're actually some of the most reliably pro-EU countries. But they want the benefits of membership without any intention of actually meeting EU guidelines, it's bare-faced hypocrisy and nothing more.

>>76166857
Because he was told to be.

The german is not a being of rationality, they are beings motivated only by emotions.

>>76166955
Please leave the evil fourth reich asap.
Do it like the Brits and show us how well you fare by yourself.

As long as you only complain but still vote to stay inside you should shut the fuck up.

>>76166854
We have 10% muslims.

You are nowhere near that.

>>76166955
I have always found Germany's influence on Europe's affairs rather intimidating.

>>76166839
Muslims in America are mostly concentrated in California, the northeast, and upper Midwest. Our Muslim community is very heterogeneous. A majority are Indian or Pakistani professionals, and generally much more assimilated and secular than newcomers from Somalia.

DC-Baltimore has an enormous Muslim population but they're practically invisible because so few of them are very pious.

>>76167085
yeah kinda, see >>76167038

>>76167014
but the conditions change, no? Hungary and Poland joined over 10 years ago, when circumstances were different so guidelines were different? Surely V4 nations do not have to agree to every guideline that has changed as they remain members?

>>76167138
That's because they can't just lay back and start the mass production of little mohammeds while you pay for it.

>>76167024
Be honest: do you actually feel like Austria is uniquely different to Germany?

>>76167085
Their influence on economies of Southern Europe is harmful (not that we helped there, but our power is negligent). Except for this, I see modern Germany positively. Insulting them as Nazis in 2017 is idiotic.

>>76167261
Is Ireland different from Scotland?

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>>76158130
>V4
>gibsmedats: the countries
>leaving the EU

>>76167395
this
Poland is the welfre queen of europe

>>76158130
>V4 leaving EU when?
I hope soon, all of the East European additions were forced on us by the British and their American masters.
The EU was only a workable concept when it was a West European Union.

Even Brexit only happened because of the anger caused by EU migration from Eastern shitholes like Romania and Poland.

>>76167449
Ah yes, the eternal American boogeyman, still magically pulling Germany's strings

>>76167494
The British have always pushed for EU expansion. Even David Cameron was still supporting the Turkey bid to join the EU to the very end while continental Europeans never liked the idea.

>>76167550
Where did I dispute this? Explain the connection to America, please.

>>76167268
I'm talking about modern times, and not even referring to the migrant crisis. Just get this arrogant feeling from their politicians like "we know what's best"

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>>76167606
It's the CIA.
It's always been the CIA.
t. Vlad

>>76167038
1. i don't think the eu is bad or germany is bad i just pointed out it benefits you inproportionally compared to eastern "leeches". that explains their protective behavior of the system.
2. you are looking awfully butthurt and insecure with that post. if you read it again you will see it.
3. the eu does not benefit hungary as much as it could because the eu leadership turns a blind eye to the state organized misplacing of eu funds and because of the protectionist nature of eu (and especially because of state subsidies given to western peasants) the eastern countries are not competitive in any fucking thing except prostitution and other cheap services. and that's not only hurting us short term but conserving the very nature of political and economic crap the eastern block is sitting in. if eu was a truly free market at least internally it wouldn't be looking like this now.

>>76167606
Poles and friends lobbied since the 90s in the US for supporting their NATO and EU bid.
US uses it's special relationship to convey the message to the UK that this is in their mutual strategic interest and so the UK pushes for it, especially since they also benefit themselves from a weakened EU which they never liked in the first place.

America can not directly interfere in European affairs so they do it either through direct pressure on European countries or by using you as a medium.

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>>76167260
That's more true of white Christians than Muslim immigrants.

I'm not Muslim m8 but I'm an Arab and even though my family is Christian we can recognize that the stereotypes aren't very false.

I'm sure Europe is full of immigrant welfare seekers who have lots of kids and want to replicate life back home, but in the US our Muslim community paints a very different picture.

>>76167181
The guideline is that they take in refugees so that the entire bulk isn't on the Western euros. But the V4s didnt take a single refugee, which resulted in France and Germany being full of them. Maybe the current sitatuation wouldn't be so fucking bad if the western slavs would actually help us out. I'm starting to realize why Russians hate them, they are ungrateful subhuman dogs and are good for literally nothing

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>>76167755
>everything always meriga fault

>>76167324
yes, but is that really the same? It feels more like Russia/Ukraine

>>76167788
>Arab (...) my family is Christian
Which nationality? For some reason, I always seem to get along with Lebanese folks.

>>76167819
you seem to be utterly misunderstand something here. you can't redistribute people like cattle. they are in germany because they set out on their journey to be in germany or sweden. i don't think there is a single syrian exist that left his country at war and thought "hungary looks like such a nice country so tolerant of foreigners my children will love it there i will make decent money to raise my family, it is my dream i once live there."

these people could only be kept in the eastern block at gunpoint. otherwise if you put them here in 2 days they are back in munchen.

>>76167755
Ah, yes, I knew this was coming, the old French line about Britain being a third column. France and Germany are big strong independent countries trying to form a European power bloc, if only it weren't for the meddling Brits. At the same time you don't hesitate to blame America every time you stub your toe or chip a nail. An exercise for you: can you actually name one concrete difference between UK—US relations, and German—US or French—US relations? In what way does this "special relationship" actually exist at all? Concretely speaking.

>>76158130
The EU would probably be better off. And Poland could have its Intermarium.

This is why multi-speed EU should be a thing.

>>76167950
US wants to bomb Gaddafi, Germany and France refuses to allow usage of their airspace, UK allows them to use their British bases.
US invades Iraq, Germany and France refuse to go with them, UK follows them like the underling they are.
US elects Trump, Germany and France are concerned for the future relationship with the US, UK wonders how they could best suck his orange nuts and make sure they will still be best friends as always.

>>76168082
>they will still be best friends as always
Someone sounds a bit salty t'bh.

>>76161475
Germany is not the only country they are leeching from, slave.

>>76167887
The only part of Germany that is similar to Austria is Bavaria.

And don't get me started on Vienna, that is an entirely different story.

>>76168082
I'm sorry, are you talking about the same country that had a parliamentary motion proposing to ban Trump from even entering the country when the German chancellor could barely contain herself on meeting him? The same French-led and French shilled intervention against Gaddafi? The same Iraq war zone where the Bundeswehr, as useless and perfunctory as it is, has been deployed by the CDU government as we speak right now?
You have a copy-paste narrative parroted constantly by unthinking Germans because you're too afraid to come to grips with your fundamental irrelevance. No one cares about France, no one cares about Germany, and no one cares about Britain. Neither of you somehow magically escaped the aegis of American post-war pressure, quite the contrary, and the fact you think token gestures like not letting them use your air bases somehow spites the Americans would be almost amusing if it weren't so pathetically delusional. In any event you'll find without your British/American/flavour-of-the-week scapegoat that things still won't work out the way you're fantasising they will, I can assure you.

i will just show this page to anyone that want's to leave eu
https://tradingeconomics.com/hungary/balance-of-trade
we joined in 2003 notice something? of course the previous decline may not have been there if the protectionist shithole named eu didn't exist but it is what it is. we can't leave the eu and not self destruct.

>>76167819
>V4s didnt take a single refugee

thats a false. we took 150 also czechs and other took something like 15 or so

>>76167920
Yeah we're basically all Leb Catholics though there's some Orthodox Christians in America from Iraq and Syria too

>>76159894
Germany has wormhole technology?

Because, Germanigger, transportation is not free in both time and cash.

>>76170883
Of course not. But a V4exit would make people look for alternatives. And that then is the time where everybody can assess how mutual or one-sided interdependencies really are. Brexit can be seen as case study. The Brexiters thought German automakers would pressure Merkel into negotiating for a good deal. They look pretty stupid now.

>>76166840
Can you elaborate?

>>76171158
you can think of fidesz the rulin party for 7 years now like the church of scientology on steroids. say aynthing negative about them or question anything they come after you and your family in any way they can conceive. you get the hungarian irs up your anus for starters you get to be called a faggot an agent of "foreign" powers and a traitor to your country as a starter pack from all media saturated at once. then if you survive that you get the more clandestine harassment.

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>>76168726
We can join Euroasian Union.

>>76171316
fuck that shit i would rather die than go back to that crap. you can badmouth eu as a bureaucratic inefficient corrupt shitstain they are not even in the corner compared to russia and china. not even on the same map.

>>76171316
ah yes let's team up with our le based slavic brothers
because it worked out so well last time
fuck off

>>76158130
I enjoy the politics of the V4 because they are probably the most intelligently run countries on the planet in terms of foreign relations, but Poland and Hungary should suck more Eurodollars from the EU before a V4 is a viable plan.

>>76171679
>they are probably the most intelligently run countries on the planet in terms of foreign relations
if that is true then the world is a very very fucking sad place and it is past time our civilization gets wiped out. peter szijjarto is a fucking clown who couldn't find his own ass to wipe alone let alone understand international politics. and he basically runs the foreign relations.

esteemed politicians in the world go to great lengths not to embarrass themselves with being caught on the same photo as him.

>>76172084
Our minister of foreign affairs is pretty professional.

>>76158130
> east europe
> leaving eu

>>76172909
Kali? God damn
>it is past time our civilization gets wiped out
indeed

>>76174146
Kaliňák is a minister of interior. Why do you think you should express your opinion on Slovak politics when you don't know basic facts?

Jesus Christ I slept for like 12 hours and this is what I come to
What have I created

>>76163894
If you have an Instagram or something along those lines I can help if that's not b8. I'm already semi fluent in Russian and Spanish and fluent in Czech and english

>>76175082
I hope you're not proud of yourself.

>>76175082
zabi sa prosim ta hned ako to bude mozne

>>76176018
Za co? Dobrý nápad to neni? Stalo by to trochu času a spolupráci ale jinak to je bezvadný dle mně

>>76176691
On je Europan aka globalista. Nevsimaj si ho

>>76176714
Jich jsou hodně dnes, bohužel.

>>76158130
>With that, there would be a free economy between the 4 countries
Well, this is a bit unrealistic because whether we (and them) like it or not, our economies are tied with Germs.
HOWEVER, despite the memes, this relation is two-sided, which means that even if we somehow got separated from the EU, Germs (and Frogs) will still have to trade with us, because they export a shitton of stuff here.
That said it sure would be nice to develop some relations with the Southerners, we could help each other out a lot. And I don't mean just Croats and Slovenes.

>>76176691
you are either using google translate or you should have paid more attention in elementary school desu

>>76176863
never mind, I take this back, you are definitely using google translate
nice try tho
>>76176842

>>76158517
>burger education

>>76176691
Bez EU sme Ukrajina tier ty kokot

>>76159050
Exactly. We're dependent on you, but this goes both ways, you depend on us as well. How can you sanction us if you sell so much stuff here? You'd be practically sanctioning your own business.
I don't believe an average German entrepreneur wants to lose profits just because their libcuck politician is throwing a spastic fit.

>>76176928
to sme tak ci tak, okrem Bratislavy a okolia to tam aj tak vyzera

>>76159878
>1%
oh wow

>>76176928
this
>b-but muh independence

>>76162419
>Christmas markets are a German tradition and the Polish copying them is pathetic especially considering how much they hate Germans
Ramadan is an islamic tradition and the Germans copying them are great especially considering how much they love muslims

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>>76163240
>Every V4 country is a shithole that is not safe.
Factually wrong.
>The EU was kind enough to take them in after the soviet occupation
You mean just like Eastern Germany?

>>76158130
I heard that Czech rep. accepted muslim refugees or am I just watching wrong media

>>76177094
nemas sajnu o com rozpravas

>>76176863
Já žil v Americe dlouho, a stejně moc s nikim nemluvim.

>>76177537
ze zbytok Slovenska zapadne od Trnavy je Ukrajina tier na ktoru si vedia spomenut len ked idu volby alebo ked zvolia extremistov

>poor shitholes trying to talk back

lol keep cleaning our toilets

>>76177661
kde ma Ukrajina premiernu mzdu 700€ mozno okrem Kyjeva?

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>>76177611
>Já žil v Americe dlouho, a stejně moc s nikim nemluvim.
your syntax is awful and you managed to make a textbook grammar mistake m8

ukaž pas

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>>76177784
HONK HONK

>>76178056
axaxxaxaxxa

>>76177894
presne o tom hovorim taku mzdu tazko hladat mimo zapadneho slovenska kde sa robi za minimalku

>>76173096
why aren't you in eu yet?

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>>76158130
>I'm a Czech student
>wants to leave EU

>V4 leaving EU when?
hopefully never

>>76162419
France is the eldest daughter of the church we have monopoly on the christmas market sector fuck off

>>76159900
>still posting this map
nice meme

>>76177784
Dude fuck off.
I'd rather take the whole polish roman catholic population into my country if it meant we could remove all of the muslim young male economic immigrants. (Or as the fake news like to call them "Syrian refugees").

Be nice to polish people.
They don't try to impose sharia uno europe or hiss at your daughters. They also don't ask to build mosques or commit terror acts.

>>76178384
old people love putin

>>76177025
>Exactly. We're dependent on you, but this goes both ways, you depend on us as well. How can you sanction us if you sell so much stuff here? You'd be practically sanctioning your own business.
Dude, you don't get it. 27.6% of Polish imports come from Germany. But only 4.4% of German exports go to Poland. It doesn't go the same both ways. Size does matter.

>I don't believe an average German entrepreneur wants to lose profits just because their libcuck politician is throwing a spastic fit.
Neither do Polish businessmen. But that measure we can discard OPs proposition altogether.

>>76158130
You do realise that Serbs are basically Muslim barbarians themselves? Take a guess on who runs ALL of the organised crime in Slovenia, who is responsible for all the street violence. Protip: it's not Slovenes.

>>76166997
>there are still enough psycho rednecks to keep them in check.

You mean guys who shoot Indians up or don't even know what a Muslim is aside from some ignorant as fuck redneck understanding.

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>>76164944
>>76165299
>>76165409
>>76165488
>>76165528

>>76181408
he's lying, memeing or most probably just baiting and it paid out
nobody sane would want to touch anything Serbian here
it's nothing against common serbin people but they as a country are just big clusterfuck and their mafia with albanian and russian is poisoning even our country

>>76165148
>>76165374
>>76165422
>>76165483
>>76165675
>>76165989
>>76166119
>>76167819
>>76167014
>>76163240
>>76161141
Fuck off cucks, no migrants welcomed period, deport all shitskins and kill yourselves

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kill wh*tey """"""""""""people""""""""""" desu

>>76158130
>V4
>trade
What would you trade in? You all basically produce the same shit.

>>76161141
>burger education

el oh el

>>76184578
Wow, I'm so scared of you! Surely you are a man of authority and not some 14 year old autistic retard! Praise kek! Maga!

>>76184821
Make an argument.

>>76184578
You're pathetic.

>>76176842
Lmao. You sure don't sound like a robot trying to speak Czech. Not at all!

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>>76185006

>>76158517
>north ame...

Meh, good night

>>76184865

Actually I'm a 25 years old Navy Officer, you should consider suicide Pedro because IRL you wouldn't even dare to open your mouth in front of me since the average lefturd is nothing more than a spinless faggot with no defense skills and no balls, M8 my father who is a disabled pensioner told some of them to fuck off while they tried to intimidate him and they were scare to death.

>>76184924
Said the dick sucking Eunuch, remember that nobody wants your rafuggees apart from some braindead petty bourgeois who listen too much TV instead of thinking a little bit.

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>Actually I'm a 25 years old Navy Officer, you should consider suicide Pedro because IRL you wouldn't even dare to open your mouth in front of me since the average lefturd is nothing more than a spinless faggot with no defense skills and no balls, M8 my father who is a disabled pensioner told some of them to fuck off while they tried to intimidate him and they were scare to death.

I think we have a new Navy Seal pasta everybody.

>>76185006
That's what you get with retards like him
>baits with V4 leaving one of few good things that happened to us in last few decades
>is surprised that it creates havoc

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>>76185392
>implying we have Navy Seals in France

Wow american education is worse than I thought...

You should continue to watch CNN, that way you will earn great knowledge in Geography, history, politics and reality... ( Good job about putting french cities in Germany, Switzerland and Belgium)

By the way like most of males in my familly i've enlisted in the security forces

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>You should continue to watch CNN, that way you will earn great knowledge in Geography, history, politics and reality... ( Good job about putting french cities in Germany, Switzerland and Belgium)

>By the way like most of males in my familly i've enlisted in the security forces

It just keeps getting better and better.

>t. incredibly huge newfag
topkek
he's really great

>>76185651
hope he goes on so that pasta gets longer

>>76185651

Of course it's going that way because you are simply a smug idiot

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>because you are simply a smug idiot

He's the gift that keeps on giving.

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>>76185807

>>76185807

Wow, Are you dumb ? Are you intellectually limited to the point of being unable to do anything else appart from posting memes and acting like a happy fool ?

I think you should focus on getting your women studies degree

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There he goes again! Added to the pasta.

Will V4 take in Western European and white American refugees?

hoped for more navy stuff but got more of this stuff instead
>If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue
it's getting meh quickly

>>76186042

You should also add you mom pussy and your devasted asshole, from you way of acting I bet you are the kind of moron who spend all his days on this website and feed the /nogf/ threads because he is autistic to the point of not having a normal life

>>76186128
Yea, he made another reply just now but its just getting kinda sad at this point.

>>76186091
rather don't have high hopes
those that don't want EU etc are the same people that guarded western border against
>intruding imperialistic warmongering murderers from Wall Street