/int/ I'm interested in learning a Scandinavian language,

>>75952271

but Kierkegaard is the most important Scandinavian writer.

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>see flag
>woah dodged a bullet there

Swedish

>>75952394

Yeah but Danish is almost as useless as speaking Frisian.

>>75952271
Norweigan is easier. Its a babys language. Like swedish but with worse grammar. For example, norweigan dont have a bending of "him"

Swedes use "han" and "honom", norgay just uses "hann"

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>>75952271
Learning Swedish is smart. Let's you read all the great litterature from both Sweden and Finland. Learning Norwegian will let you have a slightly easier time understanding Danish, but since you're not a native it'll probably still be beyond your capability.

>>75952742

Well, I hear Norwegian is the most mutually intelligible of the three languages. If you know Norwegian than you can understand a decent bit of Danish writing and Swedish speech.

>>75953381
Yeah mutual intelligible understanding I know is pretty much reserved for native speakers, unless I was to devote all my time to really mastering Norwegian, which I can't because I have a life :(

>>75953409
That's true, but it's not worth much. Like, the three languages aren't equally valuable. There is more value in learning one than another. One can even be more enriching, valuable, and useful than learning both of the other two. And you shouldn't think that learning Norwegian means you've basically learnt Danish as well. The two are quite different.

>>75954101

Well of course not, they're totally separate languages. I'm just wondering for advice on either focusing my time on learning Norwegian or Swedish.

they are almost exactly the same, they can understand eachother

they are also very close to english so its the easiest for a native english speaker, wouldnt exactly call it fun, all 3 are "useless" as in youll have very little exposure to it, just learn a real language like spanish

>>75956082
Nah the only Romance language worth a shit is French.

>>75952668
how the fuck is norwegian better?

i'd learn swedish simply because there's more study tools available for the language.
i'm currently learning swedish, but before that i tried learning norwegian and found it difficult only because there weren't a lot of study materials for me to work with.
(however when i learned norwegian i didn't really know what i know now about language learning, so take it with a grain of salt)

>>75956544

Yeah Swedish does seem prudent. A lot more people speak it than Norwegian.

>>75952271
Swedish is like the easiest language you can learn, so go with thay if you want simplicity. It is, however, also the most feminine language.

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>>75952271
>american

jesus fuck please

There's nothing wrong with learning Danish

>>75959093
Eek hooer vaart uup baak nuet oor
>litteraly how you language looks, like monkey speak

>>75959206
Looks like I angerer a little Swede here lmao.
It's literally impossible to take your language serious because it sounds so feminine.

>>75959260
Your language sounds like your women sucking superiorn nordic cock.

>>75959309
>being this upset about your cute little girly language

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>>75959150
t. German

>>75959206

This

Dutch looks and sounds like English spoken by an actual retard.

>>75959260
i actually like melodic swedish

>>75959506
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At least people don't automatically fear for an explosion or shooting when they hear our language

I want to marry a Scandinavian qt. Which country has the best wife-material?

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>>75959206
>mfw a lot of products in France are labeled both in French and ugly Dutch

Fuck all the companies who do that.

>>75959824
if you're black too, we can go to sweden together

>>75952271
Norwegian is literally danish.

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>>75959889
Rape is illegal you know

>>75959896
Italian is literally Spanish

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>>75959874
VERKAASD

>>75959889
I'm whiter than a Swede tbr

>>75959928
basically

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>All these countries obsessed with out language

>>75952271
You'll find the most resources for Swedish because Sweden's the most populated. I've studied Swedish and Danish. If you study Norwegian, you'll be understood better by both Danes and Swedes. Norwegian Bokmål is a good middle ground between Danish and Swedish because it's got all the Danish vocabulary, but the pronunciation is much more intelligible to Swedes than Danish is.

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>>75959928
I actually agree if we consider sinitic languages as dialects.

It also does not make sense to consider dialects such as Venetian and Neapolitan as dialects if we consider French and Spanish as separate languages 2bh.

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>>75960062

Best reply of the thread so far. Thank you kind canuck

>>75960074
Bokmål is kind of like Modern Starndard Arabic, no one really speaks it. It's a literary language based on Danish. I speak Danish fluently, but have trouble understanding some spoken Norwegian dialects.

>>75960052
kanker neger

>>75960172
Would you recommend Swedish then? I know how dialectic Norwegian is...

>>75960172
Bokmål like rixssvenska is a transliteration (or whatever its called) of the official dialect of the country, and does not take into account regional dialects. It would be litteraly impossible to do so.

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>>75960172
Isn't most of the population i.e. eastern Norway bokmal-speaking?

>>75960256
Swedish is just as dialectic, if not more, but not in written form. But neither is bokmål.

>>75960291
Scheisse...deciding is quite hard.

>>75959824
pls respond

>>75960277
The areas around Oslo speak a dialect closer to Danish, but it can still be considered a separate language (of course the definition of a language is pretty vague). No one speaks Bokmål, the Norwegian language is curriculum of dialects, the western ones being closer to Nynorsk and the eastern ones closer to Bokmål.

>>75960323
Swedish is pretty useful, probably more so than Danish or Norwegian.

>>75960256
Dude...
Why do you want to learn a nordic language first of all?

For work or study related reasons?
Just because you like them? or what?

If you don't have a clear goal (such as working in one of those countries or an exchange study program) you should probably study the one you find most appealing, the one you find engaging - because if you choose X instead of Y simply because ''it's better'' or ''more useful'' chances are you'll end up dropping it sooner or later.

Personally, I'd go with Norwegian as University is free in Norway even for foreigners, there are good paying jobs and I think the language sounds beautiful - also because tourism in Norway is great.

However, studying Norwegian is more ''difficult'' due to there being less learning materials for foreign learners.

Just my 2 cents homie.

>>75960353
I see, thanks for the informative post anon. But what does it mean to learn "Norwegian" then? I assume that most of the people would learn the Oslo dialect. But then I don't see the point of learnig "Norwegian" if anyway you would probably learn the closest dialect to Danish, while still not be able to totally understand some Norwegian from the west. Better learn Danish at this point. Am I wrong?

>>75960123
Not a problem. I'm always glad to see people take interest in these languages. They're really close to English, so you should learn quickly as long as you devote enough time to practice. The real challenge to these languages is pronunciation.

Some Norwegian resources:
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/norwegian

http://www.ntnu.edu/now

This software is one of the resources I use to study Danish. They offer versions for Swedish too, but not Norwegian:

http://www.strokes-international.com/index.php?language=en

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>>75952271

dont waste your time. english is enough there. better learn russian or spanish

>>75960443

plz don't go to Norway spic

>>75952271
>so this brings me to Norwegian or Swedish
Norwegian sounds better but it is probably more "prudent" to go with Somali instead.
It really depends on your interests, though.

>>75956509
Danish is fucking disgusting, let's be honest here. Certainly isn't a language one would choose learn if given the option not to.

>>75960463
I'm trying to learn Norwegian myself right now. As I see it Norwegians just write/talk in their own local dialect, but they all understand each other. You see considerable variations (e.g. in plural form, verb endings, even basic vocabulary), but you just stick with one dialect yourself and run with it. It's hard to explain.

>>75960596
Its gay. Hvorfor, kvifor, haffor etc. Its just autism.

>>75959260
>It's literally impossible to take your language serious because it sounds so feminine.
You really need a bit of perspective here, anon. Your language sounds like a cross-over between English and German, as if spoken by a The Sims video game character.
Both Danish and Dutch are the shameful linguistic bastard step children of languages spoken, or in your case, heaved, throughout Western Europe.
Swedish may sound feminine but at least it doesn't sound like someone trying to chock back a mouthful of sputum.

>>75960634
So how is Swedish less autistic?

>>75960463
Most people just learn to speak bokmål with mostly Oslo based pronunciation rules, and most Norwegians are able to understand that.
If you live in Eastern Norway, that's how people usually speak as well.

>>75960634
That's a good thing (except "hvorfor", kill all Danish etc.

>>75960764
Standardized spelling no matter the dialect, with few exceptions

>>75960492
English is enough there if you're visiting. If you want to live there and not feel like a total outsider, you should learn the local language.

>>75960797
Enforced dialect genocide is not a good thing. I'm not saying we are good in Norway, but intentionally killing all linguistic diversity is not something to brag about, it's shameful.

If we combine all official written norms, the only official ways to write that word are "hvorfor" and "kvifor", one for each writing system. Previously, you could also write "korfor" or "åffer", but those are no longer officially allowed.

I bet norweigans could understand me if i just made up my own dialect

Arfor haur iak egke nakin varmi i hanreijnungstugan. Min kok blær kruympt ok dæ blær svært ok ronkia

Learn Norwegian. It's the lingua franca that unites Scandinavia, so that both Danes and Swedes can understand each other. It's also the neutral language. If you'd speak Swedish in Norway or Denmark some people would get angered.

>>75960899
"Hvorfor har jeg ikke noen varme (?) i hanreiingsstua. Min kuk blir krympa og det blir svært / vanskelig å runke

Was this correct?

>>75960885

This is why learning bokmål seems appealing. I love how Norwegians speak, it's so melodic.

>>75960530
already went several times so you're out of luck

Also, most degeneracy in the west comes from Jewllywood, which is situated in your shithole.

And it's not like Europe is not filled with Muslims nowadays, so your dreams of a ''pure'' Norway are just that, dreams.

As long as you're not learning danish you'll be fine. Those fuckers have even started to subtitle their own movies because they can't understand each others slurred speech.

Danes, I love you but please stop trying to communicate in danish, it's impossible to understand you. And when I answer in english, don't get mad, I'm just trying to make you communicate in a language we both understand.

>>75960950
What does that have to do with what I said?
The only official way of writing that word in bokmål is "hvorfor". Previously, you could write "korfor" or "åffer" too, but those were never widespread.

>>75960939
Yes. A swede litteraly cant understand shit in their own language unless its written in bogstandard rixsvenska. Norweigans have an advantage in using written dialect, it expands your language skills.

>>75961021
>litteraly
>rixsvenska
>Norweigans

You should probably stop sharing your opinions on how other swedes "cant understand shit" when it's probably just you.

>>75960990

You're not making it any easier, beaner.

>>75961084
Better a beaner than an American negroid or Jew.

>>75961078
Swedes are incompetent at languages. They cant even understand skånska. You denying this is just sad

>>75961120
>skånska
>svenska

:(

>>75961106
but I'm white as snow, sorry rain forest nigger, you lose.

I think Swedish is one of the most beautiful languages in the world.

>>75959896
written norwegian is close to written danish, but i have a way easier time speaking with a swede rather than a dane

>>75961171
Spoken Norwegian is literally Faroese Danish.
At least if you speak Bokmål.
Bokmål sux

>>75960463
dialects in this country is such a clusterfuck, some are harder to understand than swedish

>>75960885
I know its a shit thing, but easier to learn. I mean, i wouldnt mind dialect encompassing swedish, so southeners could write hvauforr or whatever. Stockholm fags decised their language was the true language though. Thats just how it goes.

>>75961120
>skånska
>svenska

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>>75952271
Why the fuck don't you just learn German instead? You can pretend it's scandinavian and there's like 80 million of them and most krauts doesn't even speak anything but german, arabic and turkish. Everyone under 90 speaks already english here.

>>75961286
> speak rnglish
Write english, you mean
Seedes are shit at spoken english

>>75961266
I don't think anything should be officially allowed. I like the approach of Nynorsk. You can get close to a lot of different dialects by applying different pronunciation rules. But some options are needed, yeah. I do think there needs to be some restrictiions though.

>>75961307
Captain dyslexia strikes again!

>>75961286
>Turkish

I'm good m8. Germany is dead.

>>75961219
Faroese Danish is caveman Danish with a few "Danishified" Faroese words added at random. It's an in-group way of pronouncing Danish that we use when reciting something in Danish, e.g. old law text, proverb, etc. We use it mostly because Danish pronunciation is so unnatural to us. It is remarkably close to Norwegian.

Take the redpill, learn Nynorsk

So what do you think the consensus is? Norwegian or Swedish? If I were to travel throughout Scandinavia, would I have an easier time knowing good Norwegian and some Swedish, or the other way around?

>>75961425
Stop befouling your awsome language with shitty d*nish.

>>75961438
Norwegians are better at Swedish than Swedes are at Norwegian. If you know Swedish, Norwegians will be able to adjust and use Swedish words to help you. Swedes are generally not able to do the same for Norwegian.

>>75961429
>If I were to travel throughout Scandinavia, would I have an easier time knowing good Norwegian and some Swedish, or the other way around?

Or just, you know, speak english. Not to be a dick or anything but most swedes at least will immediately switch to english (regardless of how bad they are at speaking it) if they even suspect you might not be 100% svennebanan.

>>75961438
You'd have an easier time just doing whatever the fuck you want and then just speaking english because literally everyone, unless you plan on staying the nights at elderly homes, will understand you perfectly.

>>75961438
I don't think it matters which one you learn, pick the one you like the most

>>75961494
desu that's mostly because norwegian uses words that sound made up by a preschooler because they don't know the proper one.

>>75961498
Ah perhaps Norwegians are less likely to shoot you down when you want to practice the language with them then?

>>75961530
can't speak for them, but best of luck m8

>>75961494
This. I speak skånska and when i went up to värmland people thought i was danish or something and tried speaking english with me.

>>75961438
if you're going for a vacation, just speak english. no use in embarrassing yourself speaking a language you've tried to learn in a week or so

>>75961530
Most Norwegians would probably just use English. You need to be lucky to find someone willing to speak Norwegian. It may help if you tell them you wish to practice your Norwegian, but they will not always respect it.

>>75959206
Good post

>>75961530

>Ah perhaps Norwegians are less likely to shoot you down

I WOULDN'T COUNT ON IT M8

>>75961581
I mainly want to learn a Scandi language because I like how they sound and want to do biological research up there once I get out of school.
No vaycayshun

>>75961636
You probably need to be persistent to get people to speak Norwegian to you. Even if you live here, a lot of people will still use English. But that probably depends a bit on who you meet too. I hate holding conversations in English in Norway, and I'm probably not the only one.

>>75961498
I found that not to be entirely true. I had a full conversation with a Swedish woman who came into my old work, though it probably helped that we were in Canada and she was shocked that some random dude at a gas station actually spoke some Swedish. Other than that, I've had conversations with plenty of Danes who stuck to Danish even though I struggled. Sure, some of them switched to English, but it wasn't as often as I'd expected.

I pretty much wrote the book on the norweigan language. Ivar aasen got all his ideas from me, and i helped fine tune some of his works.
No big deal.
The secret to becoming a fluent speaker in norweigan is:
1) get absorbed into the danish empire willingly
2) break free
3) in order to save what little of your native language (and pride) still remains, invent some fantasy lore that the danes actually pretty much enslaved you and that before the union you wuz kangz that spoke icelandic.
4) invent made up language that is supposed to be more norrönt (power word) but just looks like retarded danish
5) pretend you understand icelandic posters on /int/

>>75961834
We WERE a strong country with kings before we came under Denmark. It's not fantasy. And our language was close to Icelandic back then.

I assume the invented language you are talking about is Nynorsk. Well, it's not an invented language, and there is nothing Danish about it, at least no more than Swedish.

>>75952742
>For example, norweigan dont have a bending of "him"
>Swedes use "han" and "honom", norgay just uses "hann"
Not sure what you're on about, but the objective case of 'han' is 'ham' in Bokmål.

I honestly think Norwegian would be the best to learn first, because it's easier and opens up the gateway for learning Swedish or Danish later on.

>>75961834
>invent some fantasy lore that the danes actually pretty much enslaved you and that before the union you wuz kangz that spoke icelandic.

thats literally how it was though

then our king had a female heir, kalmar union happened and the clergy wrote/ spoke in some germanized norse that's called danish which later got a bit modified and used as the norwegian we write in today

>>75961983
>>75952742
Right I forgot to complain about this.
The objective case is optional.
You can choose to either use han/han, or you can use han/ham.
"ham" is a pure Danish loan with no history in spoken Norwegian though. There is nothing wrong with not making a distinction in maskuline third person pronoun.
The traditional way in spoken Norwegian is either using han/han, or han/honom, or han/han/honom (separate dative and accusative cases).
This shouldn't make it much easier though, you are already used to making the distinction in English so it adds no new things to learn, just more of the same.

>>75962022
Not true. The peninsula norse languages all developed in tandem. Norway wasnt some place where time stood still and language was preserved. Whilst it is true that some areas of norway did speak older norse(as it is true today in sweden still), the main language was the same "germanisized" norse most swedes and danes spoke, a language developed in tandem with one another and through outside influence.

OP here
I'll just learn Old Norse. That's what my forefathers spoke anyways before they settled Normandy and started speaking gay norman French.

>>75962096
What times are we talking about here? Because we all spoke close to Icelandic a long time ago, until the grammar started to collapse and we got all the German words.

>>75962062
is it similar to german den/dem?

>>75962157
Well, i cant say for certain with norway, but in sweden after the 1200s there was a big shift linguistically. But obviously already by then it was quite far degenerated from like year 800 or 900 swedish.

>>75952742
>bending
Funny that it is literally what conjugation means in Russian (bending down)

>>75962199
han/ham is just like English he/him
Literally the same thing.

If you want to speak a dialect with dative case, I don't think den/dem is good for example, because even in dialects with dative, it's a bit limited compared to German. But let's take 1st person singular pronoun:
>Norwegian (nominative - accusative - dative):
eg - meg - mèr
>German (nominative - accusative - dative):
ich - mich - mir

Unless you are very interested in Norwegian dialects though you don't need to worry about accusative and dative, the system is just like in English so should be easy.

>>75962214
I don't know exactly when the collapse happened but the language was closer to Icelandic back then.
And the language hasn't always gone degenerate at the same speed, I believe the language was fairly stable between like 700 and 1100 or something with only slow, minor degeneration and then it suddenly started happening fast with collapsing case system and morphology or something.

I don't really know what the point is though. But at least if we compare to Danish, even Norwegian in the 1800s was far less degenerate. I think the point was to show that Norway had its own, unique roots to norrönt, separate from Danish, it was not just broken Danish but a real, unique language.

>>75962214
Judt to elaborate, i think in 1300 the grammar shifted drastically to modern grammar. In the 1200s yoy still see the older grammar
>, þa skal kvighu taka omtamæ ok flytiæ up a bæsing
In modern geammar it would be
> þa skal (man) taka en omtamæ kvighu ok flytiæ up a bæsing

Icelandic.

Old English

>>75962062
Pretty sure that's a surviving feature of Old Norse. "Hann" serves as both nominative and accusative, while "hánum" is dative.

>>75962342
Well, no doubt danish degenerated the quickest, but there was degeneration across all scandinavian languages except thode on islands (gotland, iceland, faroe islands), and it was due to immigrants, not danes. Even without the union norweigan would still have changed the same. It is impossible to live so close to 2 similar nations and not have their language rub off on them. Case and point, "fjortis" which was invented in swedish in recent time yet made it over into norweigan.

>>75962364
I think I've read somewhere that for a while, they were struggling to maintain the complicated grammar system in writing even though it was no longer present in spoken language, so they made some mistakes. And when the black death killed everyone who knew how to write with difficult grammar, only then was the written language updated to reflect the grammar of the spoken language because the educated people died

>>75952271
I think Faroe or Nynorsk

>>75962431
It is. For objective, some dialects chose the accusative "han", some chose dative "honom", and some maintained a separation between accusative and dative, using both.

>>75962481
Well yeah, we would probably have lost stuff like plural verbs and gendered numbers regardless. But Danish has also done massive damage to our language. It has caused huge changes to our vocabulary, changed the shape of many words and is killing our gender system. These are all caused by Danish. And Danish may also have sabotaged our movement for linguistic purism. Maybe we'd have cleaned up a lot if it weren't for Danish.

>>75962714
I have to like Danish because my woman's a danskjävel, but I think it's fucked up that Denmark pushed its language on everybody it could. I wonder how Faroese would sound if Danes hadn't outlawed its use in academia, church, and government.

Actually, Danish has a bunch of its own weird dialects, like Vendelbomål, which they tried to wipe out by forcing everyone to learn and speak Rigsdansk.

>>75963018
The Danish forcing in the last 200 years has been done by Norwegians desu. After we were free from Denmark, the rich of Norway were pretty much speaking Danish, and ever since, they have been using their influence in politics, economy and media to enforce their variety of broken Danish. Tbh in the past few decades they haven't really needed to do much, they have already succeeded in making most Norwegians hate Norwegian and support Danish, they don't really need to do anything anymore.

>>75963113
I just don't get it. The most fascinating thing about your languages to me is that you all speak your own unique dialects or languages, yet there's still a significant amount of mutual intelligibility. Why would anyone want to destroy the linguistic diversity you possess when everything functions great just the way it is?

>>75963282
I'm going to bed, but take what I said with a grain of salt. You may need to be closely familiar with the language situation in Norway to understand it correctly. It includes exaggerations, generalizations and approximations that may give an inaccurate ideas if you don't already know how it is.
Basically what it boils down to is "bokmål sux nynorsk ftw kill all bokmål supporters"

>>75960172
while youre right in that dialects vary very heavily from area to area most of them write bokmal, so saying no really speaks bokmal would be like saying no one really speaks english in england due to the high amount of variation in dialects

>>75960330

None, scandinavian ""women"" are the worst in the world. They may look decent but their personality and culture is more backwards than cavemen.

>>75963113
det er på ingen måte realistisk at nynorsk skal erstatte bokmål, det er bra å bevare det i områdene som skriver det
ville kanskje si at nynorsk som pensum gjennom hele vgs er bortkastet tid man kunne brukt på å faktisk lære folk å skrive uten at det ser ut som de har negativ iq, noe mange godt voksne folk definitivt gjor
men men, bare noe jeg tenkte på

Norwegian is the best one that is semi-practical. For full meme-value go Icelandic.

>>75952271
Iceland

>>75952742
>swedes in charge of bending men

Norwegian is easiest for you to learn and swedes and danes will in time understand you