What are the legitimate cultural differences between Spain

Portugal:
speak portuguese
shitty football league
shits on the street
Spain:
speak spanish
best league in the world
shits on the loo

>>75827944
they are gemanic :)

>>75827944
Portuguese are sadder, calmer, more pragmatic and less artistic (with the exception to literature), mostly because our language isn't as hysterical.

We are germanic

>>75827944
They use turkish toilets and can't flush paper down the toilet. They also make high quality towels

portugal is celto germanic while spain is moor
it is known

>>75827944
portugal:
-pragmatic/ practical
-melancholic yet resillient
-quiet compared to spaniards
-homogeneous society
-a large part of the society is tied to the sea
-highly adaptable

Spain:
-diverse but divided as well
-loud (deafning)
-far more cosmopolitan
-impulsive
-creative/ unorthodox
-slightly arrogant (not nearly as much as french or germans though)

In comon:
-extremely proud
-ressourceful
-dislike for foreigners
-hardline catholic roleplay pros

>>75827944
Portugal ks germanic while Spain is berber.

Modern day: Portugal has a very powerful communist and socialist political party in control
History: Separation for 1000 years but a lot of commong ground and history for geographical and cultural reasons
Fun fact: Portuguese has a 89% similarity with the Spanish language, more than even Catalan ! Also, portuguese and galician come from the same language, proto-galaico-portugues.

>>75829593
you are truly the Iberian Slovenia to Spain's Serbia. Even the language distance is almost identical.

>>75832017
Portugal doesn't have a communist/socialist party in control, what the fuck are you smoking?

>>75827944
>Portugal
a nation
>Spain
a cluster of nations

>>75832017
>a very powerful communist (...) party
commies aren't powerful in portugal, in fact they are a dying party

>>75829593
>sadder
i dont know mate, a lot of the population in spain are very fucking depressed. 4th country in europe with the most depression cases.
what does hysterical mean?

>>75831477
>loud (deafning)
thats south spain for ya
i assume you are from lisboa or further south
north spain is quiet
>cosmopolitan
define

>>75827944
>Spain and Spain Jr
portugal is centuries older than spain

>>75832017
It might seem like that, but miraculously the centre left has cucked the far left with the coalition and started implementing right-wing measures.

I'm honestly shocked.

>>75832466
>a lot of the population in spain are very fucking depressed
This is true, but cheerful Portuguese are rare, and our usual stance is rather moody, even when happy. Our default answer to "are you allright"? is "more or less". Our music's sadder, out

>thats south spain for ya
Spanish speaking is usually louder than Portuguese. The south is more hysterical, but even the north isn't particularly quiet to our standards. That's open vowels for ya. We're also very monochordic, which doesn't help us sound happier.

I understand that you guys aren't all fiesta/siesta, but we're still fairly quieter on average. That has to do with facing a more violent and colder sea (so your northern and western shores apply as well)

>>75832523
>we wuz suebis and shit

>>75832523
Only as a country with a name. Castille has existed for longer, and it eventually became the main cultural drive in Spain (with some regional exceptions).

Portugal does have the claim of having the stablest borders of any non-island country, though.

>>75832017
we don't have very powerful comunists in control, we have comunists as testicles to the socialist party dick. Not that it's any better, but at least they are not actualy in power, they are just hanging there

another fun fact: galaico-portugues was the high language of the peninsula until "castillian" (hard to diferenciate at the time) kings decided to adopt the more apropriate castillian language from la rioja monastery (I think? maybe it was soria, I can't remember).

>>75832466
I'm from the north, I agree the north is milder in behavior, but both madrilenes and catalonians are deafning. Galicians are chill (although some behave like troglodites) and basques are very odd (but I've only met those in rally racing events so not the best sample there).

>cosmopolitan
city-living, quick to embrace world trends, superiority complex towards rural people/regions
not all spaniards are like that, but we're talking about the whole (and like I said spain can't be whole).

>>75832825
>Galicians are chill (although some behave like troglodites)
It's really odd how much we resemble each other, desu.

We really are a distinct subset of Iberians. I wonder if genetics/geography hold most of this similitude or if language does a big part. I'd love to be able to know the actual effects of a language in its speakers' behaviour.

>>75832459
>a cluster of nations

Nice meme, the concept of Spain is way older than Portugal, btw

>>75832459
I saw a lot of commie propaganda in Algarve

>>75832825
>galaico-portuguese
yeah, we studied that it was the most prestigious language during the 11th century or so. a lot of poetry Cantigas
Castillian originated in the very north in castilla supposedly Cantabria, but old castillian had loads of similarities with galician. modern galician still uses "non" and "vostede", while portuguese seems to hate every word ending with -on and changed it with "-çao" wich confuses newcomers to the language a bit :P
>basques
edgy temperamental shits

>>75833091
It is true tho

>>75832782
>(with some regional exceptions
m8 there is still support for independence of several regions of spain to this day, ~600 years later, it's hard to claim that castille has enough of a singular culture to assume itself as the nation's legitimate ancestor

>>75833091
Yes, but that included Portugal as well. By going solo we destroyed that, and you guys created a second one with the same name in hopes we'd fall into it eventually. Tough luck, though :^)

>>75833168
Even unified nations have heterogenic cultures to some degree. You can't deny that Castilian culture took over most of it, when even one of the counties vanished into it (Leon). There's a reason their language took over most of it.

I'd rather it didn't, if I'm being autist, but it's pretty much a fact.

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>>75832782
>Portugal does have the claim of having the stablest borders of any non-island country, though.

What about Olivenza?

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>>75832825
Castillian was born between the current Basque country and La Rioja, in this Visigothic monastery. It has a great influence from Basque and I think that as it sounded strange for everybody it was adopted as lingua franca in Spain. Alfonso X made Castilian official but he wrote poems in Galician, it was considered more melodical

>>75832925
i heard in the radio that the type of letters a language has, heavily affect the way the speaker thinks. it was proven comparing chinese speakers to english speakers for example, and theres probably differences, to a lesser extend, when it comes to european languages and even romance derived languages.
i think the weather could play a part too.
>>75833091
>the concept of Spain
only as the geographical location Hispania/Iberia
an united Spain didn't exist until full roman conquest and later full visigoth conquest.
the visigoths were the last to unite all of spain and internal struggles made them weak and unprepared when berbers invaded, and the ummayad empire ironically collapsed into many different kingdoms, wich divided arab rule in spain in different Taifas.

internal struggles makes a country weak

>>75833168
every country has differences from north to south or from east to west in europe. it doesnt mean it shouldnt coexist as a country.

>>75832925
Genetically we are the same shit. You like it or not. Only basques are different.

>>75833091
spain IS a cluster of nations

the concept of spain is older than any modern country I can think of. But Spain is not what that concept meant to be, it lacks coast.

>>75833326
still ours, but you guys are currently taking good care of it

>>75833403
even basques are like us, probably less so, but still pretty much the same. It is culture that makes us diferent, for good or worse

>>75833140
Algarve is perhaps the only region in the south where commies struggle to get into power.
But they have always been strong with the propaganda. Old people easily fall for it and that's where they fish for votes to get enough representatives in the assembleia. My grandma is algarvia and hates commies though.

>>75833326
Still ours, even thugh

But come on, I did specifically write "stablest" as opposed to the "oldest static borders". It has changed the least out of any European Country for the longest time, though.

I'm also not counting colonies/islands, fyi.

>>75833403
Sure, but you're always bound to still be genetically closer to your brothers than your cousins. I'm not implying we're all meaningfully ethinically different, but we do have more proximity to Galicians.

>>75833372
I've heard that since forever Galaico-Portuguese has always been very poetry-friendly, with songs being written in it. It's definitely a nuanced language/set of languages that allow some flexibility in song, and Portugal's (and even Brazil's) main artistic output has always been literature.

>>75833265
That is true but Castilian was spoken in Aragon and Navarre as soon as in the XII century, it wasn't an imposition by the evil Castilian oppressors

>>75833527
i honestly think galicia's hymn is way better sounding and melodic than any spanish hymn
in Galicia there was Alfonso Rodriguez Castelao, Rosalia de Castro... loads of poetry and i dont think it would sound as good in Spanish.
poetry is a lost tradition tho
>adios rios, adios fontes, adios regatos pequenos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmZMWldLk6k

>>75827944
Spain put the basis to create modern tacos.

Portugal made HUEHUEHUE possible and Bunda.

>>75833372
No estoy de acuerdo, no era un mero concepto geográfico, ahí está el ''laus spaniae'' de San Isidoro

>>75833541
Sure. I'm not villainising anyone here. I'm just trying to state things. Castille was a bit mean to Galicia, though, but that was mostly during Franco.

>>75833526
>Algarve is perhaps the only region in the south where commies struggle to get into power.
No, Alentejo is where the commies live (and own larger swaths of territory). It's a funny thing that the commies are the ones supporting Touradas, what with animal cruelty being a typically leftist thing, but they do have all their voters there.

Algarve is mainly PS and even a bit PSD here and there (don't forget that tourism feeds Algarve and having things more capitalist is in their favour).

>>75833660
It sounds really nice. I like La Marcha Real, but that sounds very familiar-sounding, melody speaking.

>>75833661
Don't blame the Spaniards for your tacos. They know how to make proper Tortilhas.

>>75833526
Alentejo, not algarve.
In their own words, somewhere in the 90's:
"O Alentejo é nosso!"

they still have a lot of power there, and they get overrepresented in parliement due to voting circles

>>75833726
>>75833742
I meant "struggle" as in it's hard for them to get into power there. The whole Alentejo is indeed The Commie Region and everyone knows it.

>>75833660
this is good stuff, very familiar too.

>>75833742
>they still have a lot of power there
Not really, they have a lot of city halls but they haven't been the most voted political party in legislativas in Alentejo for quite a while.

>Xantar means lunch in Galician
>Jantar means dinner in Portuguese
Cheeky buggers.

>>75833997
if you look at their support base, alentejo is disporpotionately significant, ence why a "lot of power" and not "they rule the place"

>>75833660
Yeah,the galician anthem is cool if people actually spoke the fucking lyrics in the proper pronounciation.
It's pretty much known that the best language in iberia is portuguese unfortunately galicians stopped speaking.


OS BONS E GENEROSOS
A NOSSA VOZ ENTENDEM
E COM VONTADE ATENDEM
AO NOSSO ROUCO SOM,
MAS SÓ OS IGNORANTES,
BÁRBAROS E DUROS,
IMBECIS E ESCUROS.
NÃO NOS ENTENDEM,NÃO.

>>75834125
>imbecis e escuros
kek
>>75833403
Aren't the people from South Spain swarthier than the rest?

>>75834125
>proper pronounciation
i dont want to go there
the proper galician pronunciation is left to incomunicated villages, and it will still probably not be of your liking
its wierd, if portuguese wasnt so nassal and didnt have so many vocallic sounds and stuff like "ao" i would understand spoken portuguese flawlessly, but i can only catch like 10% of spoken portuguese due to the accent, while i understand like 99% of portuguese if its written. i think the portuguese kings really wanted to separate themselves from galician. they made an university for portuguese as early as 1290 even tho the real rupture between galician and portuguese started in the 14th century.
i dont know why portuguese became so nassal and soft compared to spanish

>>75834495
Portuguese is not softer than spanish.
And galicians spoke like portuguese up until the 19th century when spanish started to be more ingrained into the masses.
Galicians didn't need castillian to survive up until the industrial revolution

>>75834112
A lot of power means a lot of power, which, again, they no longer have, nor are they overrepresented in the parliament because of it. Of the 15 deputees they have, 2 are from Alentejo.

It's a shame that the only party that supports independence in Galiza is a fucking socialist party.
Why isn't there a right wing independist party there?

>>75834495
I think you guys lost the nasalisation by being increasingly castilanised.

I thought you guys used to say "on" as we say "ão", just like we used to spell it "on".

>>75834583
>Portuguese is not softer than spanish.
The fuck it isn't.

>>75834638
It's not softer.

>>75834495
>the proper galician pronunciation is left to incomunicated villages, and it will still probably not be of your liking
it's pretty much a continuation of northern portuguese accent, not so different

>>75834626
independence is retarded and nobody would benefit from it, whats the point
>hurr we are different therefore we need a frontier
>>75834583
i dont think you know the concept of softer
english is softer than nordic countries
french is softer than italian
portuguese is way softer than spanish
we pronounce consonants strongly
>>75834749
northern portugal was galicia after all

>>75834861
>was galicia
I think never was Galicia, Leon and Asturias maybe

>>75834626
Because any decent party in Galicia knows that the quality of life in Galicia>>>>>Portugal.

>>75834958
Portucalense county was in Galicia which was part of Leon.

At some point during D. Fernando I's reign, we got Galicia under our crown as well, but after 3 months the Castilian king imposed new nobility that undid all that.

So Galicia has more recently been part of Portugal than Portugal was part of Galicia.

>>75834861
Tell me what's softer
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-RFpfUeEqE

or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syb90e7TkZQ

>>75835024
>3 months
>Therefore Galicia is ours
You are ours in any case, read some history.

>>75835023
You're retarded.I'm not talking about joining portugal.I'm talking about independence of galicia you moor with shit for brains

>>75829593
So you're basically North Frenchmen.

>>75835081
Portugal hasn't belonged to Galicia since the XII century. While Galicia belonged to Portugal in the XIV century.

>>75835130
Maybe. We're very much our own thing, and a fairly odd case among the Romance countries for sure.

>>75835024
>D. Fernando
We know what happen with D. Fernando
>One member of the Nobility claim that he don't want to be part of Castilla
>Claim Portugal as their king
>Portugal move the capital there and try to keep Galicia
>2 months after Castilla arrived there, kill the Andrade and kick D. Fernando from Galicia

>>75834958
Kingdom of Galicia had frontiers further than the minho, and if you go back to roman rule their province of Gallaecia was pretty big, although thats just roman rule...
>>75835072
>eu oshtragos unhamaquiaxeeh dee outoon inshpirada naquiosthossmaishx
faster =/= harder
notice how the spanish vid in pronunciation is much more abrupt and the consonants are much stronger
also why is the part from 0:34-0:40 in portuguese vid so hard to understand
ssuch a wierd way to pronounce "comprei por dous euros noventa", took me 2 or 3 tries to get that
the SH sound is everywhere in portuguese,

>>75835201
>Maybe. We're very much our own thing, and a fairly odd case among the Romance countries for sure

Nice.

Wanna join us and Romanians in the 'special romance snowflakes' club?

>>75835278
>if you go back to roman rule
If I go back to the romans they didn't have the north of Portugal and had Extremadura instead

>>75835278
''Ela tava em promoção,foi agora nos mid-season sales,comprei por 2,99€ ia dizer 2,50€''

>>75835336
French is very romance like.
Maybe Belgium french is less like romance

>>75835336
>French
>tribal circlejerks so strong that they end up pronouncing latin with their tribal gaulic pronunciation
>Romanian
>bunch of retired romans that end up slavic and with the worst combination of low class slavs and low class thracian criminals

>>75835278
The Gallaecia province (or was it the Kingdom?) extended down to the Mondego River and was sort of triangular up to the Asturias or so, I believe. Really odd shape for a region, desu.

>>75835336
Portuguese (and Galician) has unnironically a rather heavy Celtic influence on accent, which made us sound fairly slavic and, well, not Romanic at first glance.

We only accent 1 syllabe per word and mute all the others, like English and Dutch and Nordic languages. Whereas all the romances (maybe except Romania and Catalan) accent every syllable sort of equally.

>>75835359
ok the phrasing is just shit, shes mixing english words in, and theres a "-çao" word in the phrase
also why does portugal call the days just "segunda-feira, quinta-feira" etc?
is this an specific region or did it just stuck ? its pretty long words for weekdays

>>75835444
Our pronounciation is mostly germanic, tho

...AFAIK

>>75835479

I wish French was more Celtic or more Germanic

Nasal sounds are kinda disgusting tb h

>>75835519
we usually just shorten it to "segunda","terça", "quarta", etc

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>>75835479
>Portuguese (and Galician) has unnironically a rather heavy Celtic influence
3/4 of Iberia was under the celtic influence

>>75835565
>calling days Second, Third, fourth
so bizarre
>>75835479
the celtic influence is completely irrelevant, you actually believed the "we wuz celtic" shit, when the celtic languages were completely wiped off and the people spoke vulgar latin for 1000 years after the celtic languages stopped being relevant.

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>>75835479
here without the Vascones

>>75835519
A suebi bishop of Braga made us call it like that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_of_Braga

>>75835557
>Nasal sounds are kinda disgusting tb h
We have them too, but yours sound a bit worse. I think it's because you stress the last syllable so hard on every word and get a valley girl effect going, whereas we sound like slurring drunks, which is inherently more manly, if not classy.

>>75835571
>>75835652
>>75835664
Yes, but language-wise, we kept more influence than you guys. There are other aspects where it's probably reversed, particularly in your north.

>>75835519
(old)Galician and Portuguese use the ecclesiastic latin names for a lot of things. Christianity hit us hard there, and we renounced the Roman gods names for Months.

>>75835652
>calling pagan names to days
disgusting

>>75835686
>language-wise
Language-wise is Latin vulgaris mixed more or less with Arab, is that way in all the Iberian languages other than Basque

>>75835681
he probably was affraid that people called Saturday "Sábado" (Sabbath)
according to wikipedia the only other language that calls the weekdays like that is ecclesiastical latin, so i guess it makes sense that a roman-influenced pastor wanted that.
>>75835686
>romans conquer
>visigoths migrate
>suevi migrate
>arabs conquer
>centuries of internal and external migrations
and you still believe the lusitanii and other tribes matter at all for modern pronunciation....

>>75831477
Arrogant.. What?

>>75835898
>according to wikipedia the only other language that calls the weekdays like that is ecclesiastical latin
Latvian or Lithuanian too, I think. Completely unrelated, though, kek.

>>75835898
>and you still believe the lusitanii and other tribes matter at all for modern pronunciation....
But that happened to you guys as well, mate. Yet we have a different language. Why? Because we have different proportions of influence from both.

I'm not saying that we have more celtic influence than we have roman. I'm saying we have more celtic influence than you guys do.

>>75835927
they claim that because we despise Portugal, he don't know that the average Spaniard, other than the right wing parties, think that Spain isn't that good

is this thread better than /ibe/?

>>75836063
is /Ibe/ meet /his/ now

>>75836063
Yes, there's only some stubbornness going on, not retardedness.

>>75836113
Linguistics and gastronomy threads are the comfiest on /int/.

This one is missing that one Brazilian linguist poster who's pretty good at this sort of thing.

>>75836160
Ah,the one that says south brazilians speak like galicians

>>75836218
Kek, there's that one too. There's one that knows a lot about grammar and conjugations that's usually very polite and informative, but I haven't seen him around since I've gotten a job.

Brazilians on /int/ are often so temperamental and insecure that the smart and collected ones are always so fascinating. Same with real life, I guess.

one is gay the other isnt
ill let you decide

>>75836329
both are gay

>>75836383
heh nice that was a trick question

>>75835994
hmm yes, it must be the celtic influence and not the 1000 years of separation or the previous strong germanic influence from suevi and visigoths
come on mate, do you get that hard from WE WUZZING this much? tribes from 2000 years ago are a non-factor to modern languages. if anything the big migrations of germanic tribes into the peninsula influenced, not some celtic tribe

>>75833726
>Don't blame the Spaniards for your tacos.

blame?

Also, the Spanish tortilla wouldn't exist if not because of Peru's potato.

>>75836493
the only true spanish countries in the Américas are Mexico and Peru
the rest are separatist filth
Virreinato del Peru and New Mexico could be great... separatism and internal struggles only makes countries weaker and allow the bigger countries to take what they want like the USA

>>75836035
>we despise Portugal
Since when? They're just sort of there. We don't think about them too much but when we do we're never negative.

>>75836493
Shut up Juan, we deliver you the great Poncho from the Mapuches and now is a national cloth there, yes, isn't hard to make a hole in a carpet

>>75836620
Not at the lv of Morocco but roads not too good, beaches not too good, food not too good campings not too good etc...

>>75836274
>Brazilians on /int/ are often so temperamental and insecure that the smart and collected ones are always so fascinating
lel, funny how that's exactly what I think about the Portuguese posters.

>Linguistics and gastronomy threads are the comfiest on /int/.
Indeed, in fact that's why I even started posting here. Unfortunately it's not that common to see a good thread about those subjects

>>75835201
>While Galicia belonged to Portugal in the XIV century.
Yeah the political dispute that was only 3 months long, GTFO. I dont wanna be around niggers from Lisbon and having shit tier salary.

>>75836959
You have a bigger unemployment rate then us you little shit.
How can you have a salary without a job

>>75836751
>food not too good
don't you DARE repeating that

>>75836620
>>75837009
please dont listen to the baiter
spaniard kids are not used to the freedom of speech of the internet and they vent out their frustration and edgyness there

>>75837073
I'm ok with Portuguese food, but if you ask to the average Spaniard for best prosciutto and olive oil, here, and is funny because the best is in the border with Portugal > Salamanca, Extremadura, Huelva