Today is the 28th Anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Ah yes Communism, send tanks in on peaceful protesters why don't cha

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I hope China has the democracy movement again.
Then peace will come in the East Asia.

>>75669363
They were paid by USA, it's very good Chinese had the balls to smash these paid rebels.

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>>75669419
>ah yes communism, send tanks in on peaceful ___

is usa the modern day's communism?

>>75670420
delet

>>75670054
+15

>>75669363
The day when China avoided becoming second Russia

what happened was a major disaster

china would not have went the way of russia without crushing the protest in the first place

it was a much more closed system than russia and did not intend to open all enterprise to the west at once, the idea had always been a slow liberalization which has already happened in shenzhen during the 70s.

the protest only dealt with glasnost, not perestroika

the ccp feared ofc the loss of their political mandate its ability to deal with massed civilian movements, that is the only effective reason they decided to use force, to shore up their ability and to show their ruthlessness, resoluteness in their view. even if the generals in charge of the operation and the head of the defense signed a paper disagreeing with the method to use the people's army on the people

tsm effectively shown that the people's liberation army was the instrument of the party de facto and de jure, against the people if necessary

Overrated police action that westerners use to demonize China

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>>75669363
>What are your thoughts of it?

China's nominal GDP in 1989 (the year of the Tiananmen Protests which was done by a small group of people used as pawns by outside agitators such as the CIA) vs China's GDP in 2016. This tremendous growth in China in which the greatest # of people have been brought from poverty to relative wealth in only 30 years would have NEVER happened if the insurrection had happened to its final conclusion.

REMINDER : The goal of every Western government (especially the US) and their lackeys in Asia like Japan is to keep China as weak as possible so they never rise in power to challenge Western/Anglo hegemony.

>>75674621
How many renminbin do you get paid per post, Wang?

China is a nation-state, it isn't a federation as the USSR was, that does make for a significant difference.

Most of the American people were thoroughly nauseated by it. Unfortunately old man Bush wasn't because he's been a known China ball polisher for decades.

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>>75675120
George Bush's sister - Sharon Bush - with her Chinese boyfriend - Gerald Tsai

>>75674928
I think the Tibetans and Uyghurs would disagree, to say the very least.

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>>75675209

The CCP has long blamed the fall of the Soviet Union on lack of political education in the armed forces and allowing Western ideas and consumerism to subverb the country.

>>75669419
Many protester were maoist

AFAIK the main reason was fear of a return to the anarchy of the Cultural Revolution.

>>75669363
don't care thqh
Swiss I guess

>>75669363
run the faggots over again and again in reverse
what tank is that anyway?

>>75674378
>the ccp feared ofc the loss of their political mandate its ability to deal with massed civilian movements, that is the only effective reason they decided to use force, to shore up their ability and to show their ruthlessness, resoluteness in their view. even if the generals in charge of the operation and the head of the defense signed a paper disagreeing with the method to use the people's army on the people

Army units stationed in Beijing refused to fire on the protesters, so they had to bring in troops from an outlying area.

>>75669363
Fifth column of West worshippers. Glad China crushed them.

>be chinese
>want 2D wife so bad
>become literal 2D human himself by tanks
you can't make this shit up

>>75669363

Pretty much this:

https://www.ft.com/content/53f19caa-4883-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

>Support grows in China for 1989 Tiananmen crackdown

>Crushing of protests on June 4 viewed as paving way for economic success

>The bloody crackdown on pro-democracy protests in Tiananmen Square almost three decades ago saved China from a Russia-style meltdown, according to a strongly held view among the generation that will enjoy unprecedented international clout as it takes up the baton of power in Beijing.

>The crackdown of June 4 1989 generated international condemnation and is viewed in the western world and among many academics in China as a missed chance for a more open and liberal political system.

>But many in China’s political and economic elite and among the broader middle class believe the country’s recent economic success could never have been achieved if the ruling Communist party had not called in the army 28 years ago to maintain its monopoly on power.

>After the protests, the student movement fragmented. Those who have continued to push for political liberalisation are better known in the west, but others now in their fifties have come to believe that the 1989 protests would have destroyed China. Even so, the official blackout on discussion of the defining moment of their generation still grates.

>“We understand why the government holds such an attitude,” Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalist tabloid Global Times, told the FT in an interview last year. His paper is one of the few Chinese media that has broached the subject of the anniversary in recent years. “But allowing this generation to express their real, and changed, views on the event would be beneficial to our society.”

If based Deng didnt crush those hippies, China would have become a shitty basket case like India.

>>75669363
my dad was there actually

skedaddled out before the tanks rolled in

>>75669419
>1989 China
>communism

It's a shame it failed.
Their government should have continued with the gradual liberalization of the economy, thus preventing an economical collapse of a sudden shift to a different system, but continuing insane economical growth. Respect for their population would also be nice.
>>75669419
At lest the Chinese tanks stopped.

We weren't so lucky with the Soviets.

>>75677329
everybody in China itself recognizes the utter failure of the protests and how it would have destroyed the country because they see the results everyday in their lives.

FRAGMENTED CHINA = Stagnant, poor economic health, poor welfare for its citizens
UNITED CHINA (under whatever political system) =Prosperity, technological advancements, wealthy

Guy was probably found and executed shortly after

>>75678991
Even simpler.

They could have looked over to the Poo in the Loos.

Democracy they may be, but this doesnt prevent poverty, human rights violations, constant low level civil war and corruption worse than Jiang-era China.

majority of chinese understand the need for democracy, they not just not economically ready

>>75679057
I thought they ran him over. I would have run him over desu.

>>75679488
they didn't, he was pulled back into a crowd but disappeared forever after that

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>>75669427

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>>75677329
>If based Deng didnt crush those hippies, China would have become a shitty basket case like India

It already is.

>>75679619
china used to be africa tier, much worse than india

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>>75679659
>used to be
Step outside the coastal cities and anywhere designed to impress foreigners, and...

>>75679735
Worked in China's inland provinces for years (Sichuan, Yunnan) and you barely have that anymore.

>>75675350
In that case, why aren't CCP leaders worried about the current situation in their own country? An increasing amount of Chinese youth are studying overseas and choosing to live there. Western ideas have contaminated the Chinese nation and as a result, many Capitalist/Western ideas hold more influence in China than in Western nations.

>>75679830
Okay, I see it's that Chinaboo kraut troll again. Never mind.

>>75679843
>Western ideas have contaminated the Chinese nation

Ironically, communism in of itself was a European idea.

>>75679843
Foreign Chinese are much more patriotic than Chinese living in China.

There is nothing to contamine, since China is already as capitalist as it can be. And democracy is increasingly seen as bullshit it is by the Chinese. Especially after Trump.

>>75679863
Truthbombs hurt.

Get back to /death/, Mr. Reagan.

>>75679910
Strange as it seems, they decided that Marxism was the best way to modernize and Westernize while at the same time opposing the Western world.

>>75679617
If the guy kept blocking them why couldn't they send two tanks at once so that he can't block both.

Not all of the Tiananmen protesters were in favor of multiparty democracy, many merely wanted a "Socialism With A Human Face" kind of thing. Thing is, the CCP were in a panic due to the spread of democracy in East Asia during the 80s, by 1989 the Philippines, South Korea, and Taiwan had all become democracies.

>>75680124
it was a counter-demonstration not a war

The whole episode damaged Sino-US relations to the point where they've never really recovered.

The massacre was bad. But you have to recognice that the chinese gouverment was under big pressure at this moment of time. They have to make thinks stabile again.
Even today the cinese gouverment is under pressure with the problems of a shrinking groth of econimie and the international fast changing politics.

This could lead them again into such an situation. I hope the next time thinks get critical for stability they will notice that reformation will solve thinks better. For them and there population and for the stability of china itselfs

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>>75669363
shamelessly copycat by the americans four years later

Zhao Ziyang is persona non grata btw, his name is censored on Chinese search engines.

>>75674621
The growth would still have occured regardless.

>>75679917
China is orchestrating a massive soft power operation on their foreign nationals in Australia. They threaten peoples families, shut down businesses funding newspapers and arrest Australian Chinese dissidents foolish enough to try and return home. They do all of this because they are terrified of Western style democratic ideals infiltrating their populace, as it would mean the end of their tyrannical reign and likely their painful deaths.

The rise of authoritarian China is fundamentally incompatible with the existence of the free world, therefore the CCP must be destroyed.

>>75686057
The main reason for China's economic growth after the 70s was because they stopped doing destructive mass campaigns like the Great Leap Forward.

>>75686589
Ultimately though, it'll be that very authoritarianism that brings them down since they simply can't sell themselves as a viable alternative to Western liberalism. No different really than what happened to the Soviet Union--by the start of the 80s, internal documents in the Kremlin painted the defeatist view that ultimately they couldn't compete with the United States economically or in the sense of having an appealing, marketable ideology.

China will be shitty even if it's a democracy because the place just has too many people to ever be run efficiently, as India demonstrates.

>>75687146
The problem is that Chinese culture at its core isn't very compatible with democracy, historically they've always been governed by an absolutist emperor and a state that micromanages society.

>>75669941
i unironically believe in this

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>>75669363

>>75689094
This won't come true as long as US is still in charge of East Asia.

>>75679735
Stop using pics from CNN.They are fake news.

>>75669363
Brave guy is brave I've done the same with similar results many many times and I did it today.

Noone likes me though.

>>75690079
LITERALLY

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HATE ME FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN IDGAF.

>>75669419
holy fucking irony USA.

>>75669363
Fuck china, fuck the chinese and the CCP.

Thank you.

>>75676422
The Tank didn't actually run the guy over

>>75674621
>Anglo
>hegemony
Is this 1895 or something?

>>75676422
>what tank is that anyway?
Chinese copy of a T-54

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_59_tank

>>75691939
>lose 46 tanks to Vietnamese militia with old guns
>also some idiot in the PLA chain of command thought using tanks in a mountainous area was a good idea
...

>>75692065
Chinese military has always been like Russian military, i.e.
>dude zerg rush lmao xD

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>>75669363
>Today is the 28th Anniversary
>"""""""peaceful"""""" protesters
americans, everyone

>>75692123
The Wikipedia page also says that the T-59s have the ammo stored in the turret which means if it gets hit by an enemy shell, the whole crew will probably be blown to bits.
>>75692126
I see you, Wang.

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>>75692065
>lose an entire war to Vietnamese militia with old guns

>>75692272
Weren't you also in that war or something?

>>75692327
There are no actual white people posting under Australian flags, if you know what I mean.

>>75692327
we sent 61,000 people
only 521 were killed

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>>75669363
>What are your thoughts of it?
After Tiananmen Square China shifted to have more economic liberty. however after reading up on Maoism, I think this is only temporary. I think there plan is to let capitalist build up there industry then size the means of production.

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>>75669363
>students show up to protest for extra credit
>their grades tank and they drop out
beware extra credit assignments anons

>>75669363
It was an attempted coup