>What do you not like about your language? Japanese. Our Kanji(its

>>75664370
Interesting, I always wondered if it was confusing for native speakers.

>flag
Impossible to make believable movie/tv scripts because written language differs so much from spoken. Results in every line sounding weird and acted

>>75666532
this

also, we lack the wealth of idioms that English has

>>75664370
>So we mistake the reading of kanji sometimes even though we are Japanese native speakers.
Why then don't use the Latin alphabet?

I wish English were more inflected. German is glorious.

It apparently sounds bad to foreigners

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>>75664370
I unironically like my language a lot, I just wish Modern Tupi was more of a thing like in the XVIII century and not just an Amazon thing nowadays

>>75664370
The language is so simple yet so complex it could lead to multiple interpretation even if the context is known. Rather shitty t b h.

>>75666904
Because we are pride of Japanese kanji as Japanese and Japanese is the most language
has many homonym in the world.
So we need to use kanji in order to avoid mistakes.

>>75664370
The onomatopoeia in Japanese are weird to me

>>75664370
Mongrel language with too much slavic/german/modern influence, and all the etymology is lost to our own oldest words. I envy clean languages, where you can trace back the origin of the word and you can understand how that specific word came to be.

>>75667114
It's clearly not that special and can be done easily with latin letters.

>>75666532
I don't get this. Why can't you just literally transcribe spoken Finn, what's stopping you from it?

>>75667295
>transcribe
transcript*

>>75667280
Nah he's right, there are too many homonyms because the syllabary is so restricted. When speaking it's easy to tell what they're talking about but you need to kanji for the ideas because there's too much overlap of sounds

I think it's alittle weird we have little to no noticable accent in native tounge with exception for the obvious state accents (california and texas). At its core we have a very flat sounding language.

Although, it could be a positive.

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>>75667503
>little to no noticable accent in native tounge

Please be taking the piss

>>75667114
>Because we are pride of Japanese kanji as Japanese and Japanese is the most language
In this case, it is more like protecting against foreigners, because hieroglyphs are extremely difficult to perceive
>has many homonym in the world. So we need to use kanji in order to avoid mistakes.
We also have a large number of homonyms, but they are easily distinguishable by the context of the proposal
We have the words, the meaning of which can be reversed due to the emphasis on the wrong letter, but they again are easily distinguishable.

The fact that my language sounds like the bastard son of Polish and Spanish

>>75667430
>>>75667280
>When speaking it's easy to tell what they're talking about
How?

>>75664370
Japanese looks like an inconsistent clusterfuck. Sounds quite aesthetic though

My languages:
>English
Boring. American accent is annoying and loud, British accent is either too prissy and posh or low class.
Australian sounds best imo albeit goofy

>Bulgarian
Generally I love how it sounds (but I think that's because it's my mother tongue and will always sound sweet to me) but I dislike the Sofia accent and like the softer East Bulgarian accent.

>>75667654
Look at>>75667430
So we have to use kanji.
In korea,they used kanji,too, but they use only Hangul now after they abolish kanji.
However,they can do such a thing because Hangul has many combination and pronunciation(Japanese syllabary,pronunciation are only about 50!)

it's pretty gay and orthography is fucked up with too many useless silent letters

>>75668261
>orthography = french orthographie
since when you pronounce 'th' as the th sound
and why the fuck do you still use 'ph' for f sounds
that's plain retarded

>>75668115
Could tell you're a foreigner because you said 'British accent' and 'prissy'.

>>75668448
Lel, yeah. Lived here since I was 5 though. I know there are a shit ton of accents in the UK, I just say British as in the stereotypical London accent which is where I live

>>75667839
It's just the way the phrases are shaped and what's common.

>>75667114
>we pride ourselves, as japs, in being cucks to the chinese writing system

>>75668628
>we pride ourselves, the brits, in being cucks to both the latin alphabet, and shittonnes of french words

>>75668628
Now Japanese kanji is already Japanese culture because we cucked Chinese kanji to Japan about 1500 years ago.
And from that we made Japanese letter ''H
hiragana'' and ''katakana''.

>>75667280
romanji is cancer to be honest

>>75664370
Korean is irrelevant as fuck. That's all.

>>75664370

>>75668828
>weeb
hm

>>75668742
>a latin based language that sounds slavic

>>75667588
What kind of impression does our accent give off? Do all of our dialects sound similar or remind you of hill billy speak in the south? Also are we hard to understand? Scottish and Irish accents can be very difficult to understand

>>75664370
I have heard that even native speakers get confused.

Vocabulary is a mess of Germanic and Romantic influences, also vocabulary is lacking and it's often difficult to express nuanced thoughts in a way that doesn't feel clumsy

>>75669050
>american banter

>>75668185
Is it possible to quickly record it?

>>75669321
UNA DELICIA

The spelling and pronounciation is dumb and inconsistent

>>75669313
the word that defines the most reatrded use of the english language is the word "colonel"

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>>75664370
>What do you not like about your language?
Nothing, it's perfect.

>>75669830
grzegorz brzęczyszczykiewicz

>>75669313
ability to express nuance in english depends more on skill than anything

>>75669854
Out of all nations out there, you guys shouldn't have a problem with pronouncing this

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>>75667214
the one thing we have in common

>>75669418
I use hiragana and a little simple Kanji when I wanna do that.

>>75669970
>one
Just make up and kiss

>>75669938
>>75669854
>tfw we've been around russians for centuries but portuguese still sounds more russian
we can't do anything right

>>75669938
That is true.
British friends I have known for years still get amazed at how well I pronounce that

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>>75669989
what if we get magyar cooties?
nu-uh

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>>75669938
Just our doctors write something like this
And I'm afraid to imagine how it looks when using kanji

>>75670436
wait, are you trying tell me that is not simply wobbly lines?

>>75670436
holy fuck
the dipshit cant even write on the proper side
just look at that red line
is he practicing for arabic or something

>>75667588
Regional accents are gradually disappearing in most places, even in the deep south a lot of younger people don't speak with the old accents.

>>75668115
>sofia accent
Is that even a thing? I was born in Sofia, and I speak the cleanest, most normally pronounced Bulgarian that I've come across, as do most of the other Sofia-born people I know, who don't come from a provincial family.. Of course, various selyaks who came to live here 10 years ago speak like retards though.

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>>75670516
>>75670567
If you do not know the template, you'll never understand what is written

>>75670706
I mean the more Western BG accent, the typical one they use in the news, it's a bit harsher. I grew up in a smaller East BG town where our accents are soft and the accent is placed on different vowels sometimes

The dt rules and the autists defending it.

>>75669830
This. Diacritics can sometimes be a pain when typing, but otherwise it's great.

>native speakers always confusing (to, too, two)
(they're, there, their)
>words like bow, can be used as in the bow of a ship or tying a bow
>I find English to be a direct language but also can be quite flat and boring sounding

>>75668185

Douglas MacArthur considered getting rid of your shitty language.

I wish he had done it.

I often find myself asking people to repeat themselves/having to repeat things to other people.

I wonder if this happens a ton for more clear-sounding languages compared to our fairly thick, muted and fairly nuanced one.

I do love the sound of it. It sounds a bit more stern and manly than the other Romances.

Foreignisms

Most of the times you can understand unusual words by the rad, but when it comes from non latin langs, it fuck us up.

>>75671329
Eu creio que seja questão de sotaque, o pt-pt soa como se vocês fizessem muita força na língua/bochechas

Mas também pode ser que você ouça mal e fale pra dentro, como é o meu caso.

>>75670668

I'm from the heart of Texas and don't have even the slightest southern accent.

What does my accent sound like /int/?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s05NKltdD35O

>>75671591
>e fale pra dentro
Falamos todos um bocado assim aqui. Isso e arrastamos algumas palavras. É possível que seja viés meu, mas sempre me questionei se o sotaque cerrado afectaria.

>pt-pt soa como se vocês fizessem muita força na língua/bochechas
Uau. Não de todo. No mínimo seria o oposto e fazemos força a menos, e quando falamos às vezes mal mexemos a boca por preguiça.

>>75671482
I fucking hate that about PT-BR. To be fair, a lot of the American versions of the Euro languages do it, and so do we to a smaller extent, and it bugs me a ton when we do it, as well.

>>75670789
i can read cyrrilic but that's unintelligible

It's spoken in third world countries like portugal, angola etc

I dislike that our language is the 'world language'

>>75667026
it doesn't sound bad but i find it kinda goofy
but it was probably the speaker
this is the first thing that comes to mind when i think of danish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jndqoHlAX1U

>>75672051
Not gonna lie, that's got to be a Pyrrhic victory.

>>75671858
For me it's unreadable too

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>>75667503
>I think it's alittle weird we have little to no noticable accent in native tounge

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>>75673777
i love the way canadians pronounce the word "about" or any word with "out" in it

>>75672020
>brazil
>not third world
>macaco delícia ;)

>>75674453
kek this

>>75674569

I imagine that cunt figured this much. To me it felt like a joke when I read it. xD

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>>75671708
I listened to it three times and it sounds like you're saying
>tetsas flad

what the fuck

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>>75669313
>Vocabulary is lacking
>difficult to express nuanced thoughts

Um, what?

>>75670926
Ah, got it. I have family from Stara Zagora, so I'm used to softer dialects too.

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I love my native tongue, Polish is a beautiful language.

Now I live in Spain and Spanish sounds so fucking goofy, how can anyone take other people seriously? Or watch a horror movie without bursting into laughter?

>>75671708

Honour the texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, texas; One state under God; One and indivisable!

Amarite?

>>75675201
You have to go back

>>75674909

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1mlRSlUep3l

>>75675555

In elementary's school before the morning announcements we would always say the american pledge of allegiance AND the Texas pledge. I'm pretty sure we are the only state that does that.

Although the school always went to great lengths to illustrate how the whole thing was optional.

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>>75675777

>>75675924

IN the catholic school we had to sing the national anthem and head to church afterwards. They always made it seem like we HAD to do it for some reason.

In a different manner, I do feel what you mean. lel

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>>75670436
you are not alone

>>75675201
I know, right? It's so hysterical and open-mouthed, with silly childish-sounding phonemes and words.

It's so hard to take them seriously.

>>75675961

Well your school wasn't a public one, right? Of course a catholic school would make you go to church.

CAPITALIZATION

>>75671708
You do. You can hear it in the words "flag" and "god" that are more drawn out.

Best US accent

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>>75676173

>>75671708
for me it sounds like a perfect american accent desu

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>>75676102
>scanrecepty.jpg

>>75669854
Why whrite sh, ch and zh as two letters? Š, č, and ž or what they have in Cyrillic looks much cleaner.

And it's not as bad in English, because they don't use these as much.

>>75670789
Oh god, all the "so you're going to be a doctor? :^)" jokes from my childhood...

>>75676522
>Why whrite sh, ch and zh as two letters?
we do that since 153X, when our greatest writer from renesance proposed it. We can say, that it was used since the begining, because polish was not an offficial language until Mikołaj Rej manifestation which happened during the begining of XVI century.

>>75676601
Oddly enough, but from my too

>>75675201
I think we Eastern Europeans just associate it with Mexican soap operas.

>>75676765
No, it's the same here.

That and Spanish cartoon dubs from the 90's, and the out-of-sync dubbed porno's, also from the 90's.

>>75676242

Hmm, I guess so.

Although my accent is certainly a far cry from the stereotypical southern accent.

Here's me butchering a British accent:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s18q4f3qkjuP

>>75676683
Well, we used it for our first books, too (probably got the inspiration from you guys) but reformed the writing in the early 1900's

>>75676809
Oh, glad to hear we're not alone then.

Romance languages sound so much better with thrilled R's, same goes for French, which sounds really... feminine, I guess?

>>75676025

this was meant for you: >>75676173

>>75676257

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0P0aKjat3Iy

>>75676945
Thrilled R's?

To me, all the Romance languages have some degree of camp because they always pronounce all the syllables at roughly the same timing, so it's like rapid-fire.

Euro-Portuguese being the exception, which makes us sound Russian/vaguely Slavic, and very out of place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTuykNYSR9o

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>>75676949

>>75675201
>Now I live in Spain and Spanish sounds so fucking goofy, how can anyone take other people seriously? Or watch a horror movie without bursting into laughter?
the cold hard truth about the castilian language

>>75677032
Holy crap, that sounds so much like Polish.

It's goofy, but I still prefer it to Spanish or French, maybe because it sounds closer to home.

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>>75677307
Yeah, we get a few comparisons to Polish because of the way we say the s's at the end of words (sh) and to Russian because of the general cadence.

It's still a Romance language, through and through, with all the verb flourishes they come with and whatnot.

>>75664370
France.

Sounds too posh and snobby even when we don't mean to

I dislike 4 things about Spanish

- it has few phonemes. I dont mind having only 5 vowels, because we have the right ones, but we should have a SH sound and a W sound. I have seen hideous Spanish phonetical transcriptions of Shakespeare with Ch.
Some Argentine Spanish accents have a SH sound, but it is used to replace the proper ll and Y sounds, which isnt good. Ideally we would keep all those phonemes.

-words tend to be long and multisyllabic, creating compound words isnt practical, unlike in English, which is very monosyllabic and creating compound words tend to create short 2 or 3 syllable words.

-we can only say xxx of yyyy, please pass me a screw of bronze, not please pass me a bronze screw.

-We could and should have more contractions

>>75677032
sounds like czech or croatian/slovenian for me, czech mostly because of accent, yet it still sounds very simillar to polish because of huge amount of "sh" "zh" sounds, which are super common in polish.

>>75676814
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s18q4f3qkjuP
Sounds near perfect actually, you'd fit right in. Maybe the o's could be less rounded

>>75677032
It sounds like Catalan to me, except for the fact that it's actually Portugese. Whenever I think of Portugese, I think of Brazilian Portugese.

>>75677394
slavs are pretty good at catching our accent too, unlike other romance language speakers

you will never hear a french, spaniard or italian singing with a portuguese accent this good, despite not knowing the language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDTm3d23VJc

>>75677409
I always hear (and agree with) this, but only the other day was I able to find the reason: You guys always accentuate the last syllable of the words:
"Strawberry" read by a typical English accent would be "STRAWbry"
"Strawberry" read by a typical Portuguese accentwould be "StrawBErry" (similar to Americans)
"Strawberry" read by a typical French accent would be "strawbeRREE".

Same for names, places and most words, really.

>>75677514
>we can only say xxx of yyyy, please pass me a screw of bronze, not please pass me a bronze screw.

That's what adjectives are for, mate: "parafuso bronzeado" (although that's a bad example in portuguese, since it usually means "coated in bronze", but most other ones are possible.

>>75677695
Yeah, Catalan also reduces the vowels like we do. I always forget to include them in the Romance lists. Brazilians also do it a bit, depending on the speed at which they talk.

>>75677745
Yeah, they are the only ones that default to Euro-Portuguese as opposed to Brazilian Portuguese.

>>75676949

Nah, it was private. Sadly those fucks made it seem like the Holy Romand Empire was composed by a bunch of bloodthirsty cunts. Ofc I do like the idea of making public schooling better tbqh, i'm christian. I just don't like the fact that they tried to make all sectors of our lives private and paid-for though. I always felt good about giving some money or food to the plebs outside the church.

How is it in Texas? Do you guys have catholic influences or much like all anglo territory you're mainly protestants?

>>75677032

Para de falar a verdade, nunca vi PT-Tuga parecer com dialeto slavico(?). Sempre vi como um dialeto mais mágico e puro que o nosso. Claramente com certas partes saindo do "puro" ao slavico, mas isso não indica o dialeto inteiro. Só as vogais as vezes são pronunciadas mais fortes / fracas.

Como anda a visão dos tugas sobre os hues em Portugal esses dias?

>>75677833
>Como anda a visão dos tugas sobre os hues em Portugal esses dias?
vocês são um povo tão "diverso" que é difícil ter uma visão sobre o povo brasileiro no geral

>>75677792
Quite right but I have an English accent tho, so I'm not concerned fortunately.
But now that you mention it the French do tend to accentuate the last syllable

>>75677833
A comparação com eslávico é-me sempre feita no trabalho quando falo Português ao pé de um estrangeiro e me perguntam se sei falar Russo (talvez por associarem o Português ao Brasil).

>Como anda a visão dos tugas sobre os hues em Portugal esses dias?
Os Brasileiros estão a ficar muito presentes em restaurantes e zonas de turismo, e noto que há uma espécie de LARP familiar convosco, somo se o Brasil fosse filho de Portugal. O que significa que quando vocês são simpáticos, trabalhadores e fazem pouco barulho a falar (tal como um Português faria, não é por serem Brasileiros), são bem tratados e até relativamente protegidos. A partir do momento que se mostram mais inquietos e favelados, começam a receber insultos xenófobos e mais anti-Brasileiros. Mas não acho que estejamos no ponto de odiar Brasileiros logo a abrir.

Agora, arranjem o vosso país, criem um Hollywood lusófono com vilões Portugueses para que nós possamos passar a soar sofisticados como os Ingleses soam aos Americanos para eu poder comer umas nativazinhas, se fazem favor.

>>75677946
I don't think the reactions to French are on purpose, but I do think it comes to that detail, more often than not. At least to us, here.

>>75677909

Bom, eu vivo no interior / semi-árido do nordeste, vivendo entre Ceará e Pernambuco, com visitas esporádicas à costa cuz sempaília.

Qual a visão dos tugas sobre os macacos do norte? xD

>>75678149

Soa bem pra mim. Eu já imagino que se for aí(como meus velhos querem morar em Guimarães) seria relativamente bem aceito.

>e noto que há uma espécie de LARP familiar convosco, somo se o Brasil fosse filho de Portugal.

Fui ensinado assim em casa. Na escola era mais distante mas minha educação em casa era mais importante, se te for honesto. Meu pai até hoje costuma referir-se a Portugal e Huezil como países irmãos. Por mais que seja incorreto, duvido que isso me sairia da cabeça. xD

>Criem um Hollywood lusófono com vilões Portugueses

Difícil eu ter qualquer coisa com isso. Raramente vejo filmes e vou cursar ciência da computação. Desculpa não poder ajudar. =/

>>75676809
>out-of-sync dubbed porno
please be real
did they also give credits to the voice actors?

>>75678425
>Bom, eu vivo no interior / semi-árido do nordeste, vivendo entre Ceará e Pernambuco, com visitas esporádicas à costa cuz sempaília.
>Qual a visão dos tugas sobre os macacos do norte? xD
Literalmente "qual a diferença?". Ninguém sabe as regiões diferentes do Brasil, e com um bocado de sorte ainda te perguntam se conheces o amigo Zé deles que emigrou para lá nos anos 90 para o Rio de Janeiro.

Ah, e vão gozar um bocado com o teu sotaque Brasileiro. É sempre na brincadeira, mas é provável que insistam e gozem com algumas expressões tuas. Não leves a mal, gozar com as pessoas faz parte da cultura local, e sendo Brasileiro a língua é o mais fácil para chatear.

>>75678486
I dunno. These were the 90's on late-night shitty shared-sattelite cable channels, and we never made it to the end. But there is that stereotype of Spaniards grunting "oh, si cariño" for most people.

>>75678669
Aqui é o mesmo, só autistas ficam putos com brincadeirinhas dessas

>>75678752
Sim, mas é normal que sendo de fora e picarem contigo por algo que se deve ao facto de não seres local pode parecer malícia. Em particular quando qualquer estrangeiro é encorajado e aplaudido sempre que lá consegue desenrascar uma palavra em Português, mas um Brasileiro que fala a mesma língua (mesmo que um dialecto diferente) lhe é dito "fala mas é como deve de ser", num sítio onde se é forasteiro pode dar ideias erradas.

Na verdade acho que até advém do contrário e do facto de vocês saltarem a barreira linguística e fazerem logo parte da conversa, pelo que têm de levar as correcções como qualquer tuga que se engane e diga Salchicha em vez de Salsicha.

>>75678669

>Literalmente "qual a diferença?". Ninguém sabe as regiões diferentes do Brasil, e com um bocado de sorte ainda te perguntam se conheces o amigo Zé deles que emigrou para lá nos anos 90 para o Rio de Janeiro.

Diferença em sotaques é o ponto forte. Fora isso, honestamente não vejo. Pode ser que talvez nunca tenha andado muito pelo Brasil, no meu caso.

Acho que simplesmente perguntei pelo fato de ver muito essas diferenças citadas no 4chan, e esqueço que fora daqui o povo pouco vê isso.

>Ah, e vão gozar um bocado com o teu sotaque Brasileiro. É sempre na brincadeira, mas é provável que insistam e gozem com algumas expressões tuas.

Banter é esperado. Espero que muito pra ser honesto. xD

Como é em Guimarães? Vejo meu pai falando sobre a história de Portugal e de como o país foi conquistado relativamente sem conflitos, mas nunca vi um tuga no 4chan falar sobre.

>>75678977
meh o mesmo acontece quando alguém do Sul vai pro Nordeste e eles usam palavras diferentes que ninguém entende. O pessoal é suave aqui, a gente tá acostumado com isso. Só quem é muito ignorante leva essas coisas à sério lol

>>75677032
definitely sounds like polish
is this a documentary about snails?
they're really cute

>>75677032
actually come to think about it this also reminds me of hungarian a little
that rapid fire sh every second syllable makes it
also the general cadence

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>>75679070
>Como é em Guimarães?
Não sou de lá, mas é muito pacífico. É o sítio onde nasceu e cresceu o 1º Rei de Portugal e foi a capital do país antes de ser mesmo um país, e por isso é chamado de berço da Nação. Vais rapar um frio enorme, já agora, que aquilo é no norte e nós não isolamos as casas para o inverno. Passamos mais frio que os da Europa do Norte.

>como o país foi conquistado relativamente sem conflitos
Ainda andámos 100 e poucos anos à porrada com os mouros, mas aconteceu mais rápido que em Espanha. Não foi de todo pacífico, mas tínhamos bons guerreiros, e não parámos para sestas.

>nunca vi um tuga no 4chan falar sobre.
Duvido muito. Se há coisa que nunca falta em threads com tugas é o NÓS ÉRAMOS, mas pronto. A história Tuga tem 4 períodos:
1. Que se fodam os Mouros, isto não é deles.
2. Que se fodam os Espanhóis, isto não é deles.
3. Que se fodam mesmo os Espanhóis, vamos antes à volta e ficamos com o que encontrarmos.
4. Foooooda-se, o dinheiro gasta-se num instante com terramotos, invasões e Reis merdosos.

>>75679289
I picked a random one. It's about the Portuguese southeastern coast along the Alentejo. It's a fairly deserted but well preserved region and we hope to god the government works to protect it and just keeps milking the Algarve.

>>75679343
Weird. Hungarian doesn't sound very close at all.

>>75677695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJVY25bli80

There are points in this video where it seems the man is speaking portuguese, I kid you not.

>>75679493
maybe it's the szekler dialect
we have a few hungarian families in our town that set up shop and sell kurtos from time to time and that's where my impression of hungarian comes from
i remember as a kid that the tv station would sometimes fuck up and give us cartoons dubbed in hungarian instead of romanian
i miss those days

>>75677833

Actually my family is catholic. I'm not a religious person so I wouldn't consider myself a catholic but I still end up going to mass around Easter and Christmas with my family. My dad went to a catholic school but the nuns tried to beat him and he hit them back and got kicked out.

In Texas Christians are the majority but almost every variant of Christianity can be found. There are actually so many variants that you can often find churches that offer a sort of generic Christian mantra that tolerates whatever your specific beliefs might be in favor of focusing on teaching the more overarching themes of Christianity. However my family does choose to go to a strictly Catholic Church.

Also, although not in the majority other religions are still pretty common as long as you are somewhat close to a city.

>>75679614
We shared a cable satellite with Spain, and since they dub everything and we sub everything, they just put the stuff in Spanish with Portuguese subtitles. For a short while after that we started getting the Galician dub (which is almost literally Portuguese with a Spanish accent), but that got replaced with dedicated signal bandwidths very shortly after.

Everyone will know the Spanish dub of Doraemon's theme song, though.

>>75679720
EL GORROCOPTERO!!!!!!

>>75679829
God memories are flooding back in

>>75679829
LA PUERTA MAGICA!

I hate tje special letters. We dont even need them. Whats the point.
Å=aa
Ä=ae
Ö=oe

Just makes it harder to buy keyboards, and its not aesthetic.

>>75680102
á à ã â é ê ó ô õ i í u ú ç

Eh, I like them. Makes language more clear and structured in its written form.

>>75680102
>Å=aa
Or, you know, a fucking O like every other language.

>>75680102
back in medieval days parchment was expensive as fuck so people would use shorthand on steroids
like why waste space and write multiple letters when you can stack them on eachother.

also

i have a question if you don't mind
how do you write the circle on Å in handwriting? like a dot or a normal circle?

>>75680434
>back in medieval days parchment was expensive as fuck so people would use shorthand on steroids
>like why waste space and write multiple letters when you can stack them on eachother
Pretty much how Ñ came to be.

>>75680434
Circle for capitals, dot for lowercase.

>>75680487
thanks
>>75680480
that's also how the portugues nasals came to be afaik
do the accents on spanish vowels mark lenght?

>>75679713

Well, I live in the "poor" part of Huezil, we have a very 'distinct' divide here. I'm not so religious myself either, I just read the bible and take into consideration the new testament(JC teachings) only, which is what left me being a "progressive" in all aspects over being a "righty" cunt. Haven't finished reading all of it though. Wanna finish understanding it at some point.

Do you guys get along well with protestants? Here there doesn't seem to be a problem to generate any sort of violence, but generally I see people separating themselves. I could be wrong, but I was born and raised in a tiny little town so it would probably be it.

>>75680553
>that's also how the portugues nasals came to be afaik
I don't think so. We only got tildas fairly later on. Our most famous writer's name was spelled Camoens at his time, which we now write as Camões.

We also adopted some Occitan diacritics to replace the ñ (nh) and ll (lh), despite them having started in Galiza, which spoke the same language as us.

The ´ means an high-pitched open vowel (the stressed vowel in a given word, sometimes you open the vowel without it being stressed), the ` an open low pitched vowel (made by merging two words together, which people don't realize it's not said in the same way as the ´), the ^ means a closed but stressed vowel and the ~ means a nasal vowel.

>>75680783
but that's how spanish Ñ came to too
stacking two ns together
espanna became espána or españa but the former fell out of use.

>>75680553
>do the accents on spanish vowels mark lenght?
No, they mark stress. And there are specific rules for their use.

I like how german often combines two words to form another one.
I can't really complain about anything other than the sheer endless amounts of dialects.

>>75681397
that's what you get for being extremely numerous and divided

>>75680648

Never once in my entire life have I ever heard of any protestants or Catholics fighting over their religious beliefs. Actually, I've never seen any Christian denominations fighting along religious lines.

I'd say that's mostly because the lines between Christian denominations are so blurred that even if there was conflict you'd spend more time finding out who is on who's side than actually fighting.

>>75664370
>Archaic symbol systems
Kanji sounds like fun, but why the fuck is it still used in day to day life when you've already got a pair of perfectly good symbols with hiragana and katakana?

And just so I'm contributing, this languages plurals make no sense.
Fuck -> fuck s
Bitch -> bitch es
Cactus -> cacti
Stadium -> stadiums / stadia
Goose -> Geese
Then words that we use their singular nouns to describe their plurals.
Police -> Police

>>75682638
You can thank all the different influences over English for such big difference in plurals.
>-s and -es
Indo-European/Germanic (according to Wikipedia).
>-i and -a
Romance
>Change in the root
Germanic
>Same word
Varies

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ScXjvOYwCp

There's nothing wrong with the Portuguese language.
We have very rich rhymes, we have plenty of different accents from different regions (just pick and choose), and our vocabulary has an interesting texture.
Now, the main problem with Portuguese is how people employ it.
Our vocabulary has been pretty limited lately and particularly loanwoards have been taking over. Another thing are favelado slangs that ruin the language, it starts to sound like something... chicano, Jamaican, I don't know...

--

Forgot to mention: these illiterate fucks can't into moods, so our subjunctive and even the indicative verbs are getting replaced by auxiliary verbs, English-style. Disgusting, I envy Spanish in that regard because their verbal system is pretty healthy.

>>75683252
>Our vocabulary has been pretty limited lately and particularly loanwoards have been taking over. Another thing are favelado slangs that ruin the language, it starts to sound like something... chicano, Jamaican, I don't know
That's also the case in Spanish. General Latin American Spanish more so than Castillian Spanish. They tend to be more conservative in that regard. Whereas here, we're more propense to use either anglicisms or just straight English words.

I dislike the fact that the Dative case and the Infinitive are no longer in use. Especially the Infinitive, you can make your speech much more dense with it.

>>75683252
Huh, I only have an intermediate level of Spanish and haven't studied it for a year, but understood your Portuguese.

Also Brazilian Portuguese is much more pleasant than European Portuguese.

>>75677514
You don't have "sh" and "w"? Neither do we. "Sh" is ugly. "W" is ok.

>>75683907
Not natively, but most can actually grasp those sounds and produce them.
However, as that anon said, many people can't. For example, the /ʃ/ comes instead as /tʃ/ and the /w/ sound comes out as /gw/. Same thing happens with the /s/ sound in initial position. We have to put a vowel in front of the S, so we end up saying /es/ instead.

Despite the common obsession with cases and conjugation, I would rather prefer my language to be more analytic than it is now. It makes correcting what you write and searching certain information in a text a little bit easier to do. Also being able to turn nouns into adjectives and verbs without having to attach a bunch of suffixes to them is a good opportunity as well tbqh

>>75683252
>these illiterate fucks can't into moods
This. We are also slowly avoiding using the Indicative Future and Conditional and we already don't use the More-than-perfect past tense. That and the lost of the plural 2nd person is a real shame.

The conjunctive (you guys call it subjunctive) we do still use, though.

>>75664370
I like my language a lot but I wish we still pronounced y and i differently so learning writing rules would come easier to us.

>>75684615
Not to mention subjects.
Portugal still has some tu (2nd s.) and vós (2nd pl.), Portuguese has done away with it in favor of "você" (3rd s.). And "nós" (1st pl.) has also been slowly replaced by "a gente" (3rd s.).

That makes Brazilian Portuguese to have only 3 subjects in effect: I, him and they.

>>75664370
>>75684776
Also, a part of me feels like not agreeing upon a common standard language with the Czechs in the 19th century sucks, because then you got 2 meme languages.

>>75684821
We also use "a gente", but mainly coloquially and in rural/poor areas almost exclusively.

Vós still happens in the interior, but has mostly died out.

We should all have a proper reform and start using the language to its full potential on both sides of the Atlantic, instead of hammering silly details like extra c's or p's before other consonants.

>>75667686
Kek, kinda true
>>75664370
My languages:

Russian: Too many English and German borrowed words, also French words (not so common nowadays, yet Russian from the 19th century was 1/4 French); the language's slang is so different from the standard language it doesn't even sound slavic at all; it sounds FUCKIN COMMUNIST AF, hurts if you're a right-wing lad

Ukrainian: Sound like a wild mix of Slovak/Polish and Russian, yet quite different from both languages

Italian: A pretty boring language, the grammar is strange and unpleasant, it sounds fine and yet it's hard af to find music you like (I only listen to Caparezza and NoGuRu)

English: it's fine, I guess.. I just don't like how sometimes I understand it perfectly and sometimes I don't understand a single word from it, even tho the phrase was the same, but spoken by two guys from different parts of the world (e.g. an Australian and an American from fuckin Ontario or some shit like that)

>>75667363
he was correct, transcribe is the word to use

>>75684970
>We should all have a proper reform and start using the language to its full potential on both sides of the Atlantic, instead of hammering silly details like extra c's or p's before other consonants.
Far from that: if we can't even coordinate ourselves to unify silly writing variations, how are we expected to strengthen harder aspects of the language?

I for one intend dedicating some time to lean how to properly conjugate tu and vós somewhere in the future, just so I can say I know all aspects of Portuguese.
And using it online would be pretty fun, I'm sure plenty of natives would get butthurt at me "showing off", and that might just be what is needed to sparkle an effort on people to learn it.

>>75685404
Conjugating them isn't hard, and I think most people here know how to, they just don't use it.

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>>75685119
Even though your post seems to be a banter rather than something else, I deeply agree that borrowings from european languages are what has to be avoided. We should've been constructing words from our own roots or borrowing them from Finno-Ugric and Turkic languages instead tbqh

It sounds bad to foreigners.

And too many Chinese loanwords, although we are trying to de-Sinicized our language by replace Chinese loans with native words, it's still in progress. When I look at books from the 80s, there're noticeable more scientific terms that used Chinese loanwords than now. Some words that could be replaced are "xuất phát" (derived from, Chinese) - "bắt nguồn" (native), "hoa" (flower, Chinese) - "bông" (native), "quả" (fruit, Chinese) - "trái" (native), and this one, although it's pretty hard: "đầu" (head, Chinese) - "trốc" (native).

In the 1990s, the official spelling of some foreign words containing the digraph "ph" was changed to "f", e.g.:
> Photographie => Fotografie
> phantastisch => fantastisch
But it was kept in other words, e.g.:
> Philosophie
> Physik
It should either be retained entirely or dropped entirely.

>>75677032
WTF i met my long lost Celto-Slavo-Romance brother

>>75686795
Come round for a pint, mate. We have no R*skies nor G*rms here. We have Sp*niards, but those have been behaving and are never much trouble anyway.

No one said anything about English but i don't like the difference between how words are said and written. Just now i use the word "written" it looks so stupid because the w doesn't make a sound. Can we just change this shit already?

I envy how every word in japan is spelled according to the sound.

>>75686974
the w would make a difference if you guys knew how to say the r's. Then the "wr" would just mean the current English r sound, and "r" would be a more common sound.

>>75677833
>esse português de merda, com construções absolutamente alienígenas
Caralho, você precisa passar mais tempo imerso na sua língua-mãe, rapaz. Inglês está comendo seu cérebro.

>>75664370

I fucking love the way rioplatense spanish sounds

>>75664370
chinese pinyin could really do with a complete overhaul. i don't know why the ccp doesn't just use bopomofo

>>75688474
>bopomofo
Maybe for grammar and loanwords (like Japanese does with kana), but doing away with ideograms is not a good idea. Specially now that their phonetics are already fucked up after centuries of consonantal drops in favor of vowels and tones.

>>75664370
ñ is annoying to use, i don't like spanish keyboard layouts.

>>75664370
our language is practically a creole now

I really hate the fact that modern Japanese can Not make new (true) verbs and adjectives.
Well, there is a verb like guguru and an adjective like naui. But they are more slangs and not concisered proper terms.

What we can do is just use nouns as verbs and adjectives, like noun-suru(verb) and noun-na(adjective ), which I feel is really inorganic.

Classical Japanese, on the other hand, did have ways to derive verbs from nouns, adjectives from nouns, verbs from adjectives ...etc
Like a noun aka (red), an adjective akashi (be red), and a verb akamu (to redden). They are more organic and elegant.
Sadly those derivations are all non productive now and verbs and adjectives are both closed class in modern Japanese.

What I envy English for is that she has a lot of ways to derive nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs from other parts of speech, and they are very productive. I really hope Japanese language will regain this kind of productivity someday.

>>75689374
My language is a super old Vietic-Chinese creole, a bit like English (a Germanic-French creole).

>>75689765
ours is pretty much a Malay-English-Spanish creole

>>75689901
Languages in Southeast Asia aren't pure. For example, Khmer, Burmese, Lao and Thai have as much Sanskrit loanwords as we have Chinese loanwords. Malay also has Sanskrit, Arabic and English loanwords, and East Timorese speak that digusting Tetum-Portuguese creole.

>>75690000
Nice get Nguyen :^)

>>75690000
>>75690014
Shietz.

>serbocroatian

SO MANY FUCKING CASES AND NOUN ENDINGS HOLY SHIT

>>75689374

You should go back to your real native tongue, ESPAÑOL, the english-mixed tagalog you speak is fucking horrible. I love the Filipinas and i consider them our brothers but i hate that they sound like chicanos.

>>75687052
Most of us physically cannot roll r's, same in Britain.

>>75669313
>vocabulary is lacking and it's often difficult to express nuanced thoughts in a way that doesn't feel clumsy
lol

>>75689721
Kek in Bulgarian:

>aka
he shits
>akashi
he was shitting
>akamu
his ____ shits

i hate how everyone think we sound as gay as oschloshits and i hate our loanwords

>>75687960

Eu literalmente passo a maior parte do meu tempo imerso and PT-Tuga(educação familiar) ou Inglês(Vida). O pessoal do sul/sudeste faz o meu dialeto parecer indesejável.