I'm thinking of moving to China (specifically Hong Kong),

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCMI0uKbBE

adv china is a youtube channel about western dudes living in mainland china

The CCP increasingly has a hard time justifying their existence to young people, so they have in recent years fallen back on the old, tired shtick of foreign policy adventures in the South China Sea and whatnot.

move to taiwan. why do you bother living there being worried about ccp

>to liberalise politically over the next 10-20 years?
it will never ever happen

>Do you think it matters if you live under a government you fundamentally disagree with?
theyve censored anything. you cant forecast what kind of thing would be censored. it all of a sudden begins.

>>75504050
>move to Taiwan

I only know Cantonese, I can't speak Mandarin.

But I am considering Singapore as a possible alternative.

>>75504365
Go to Singapore then. Don't move to China if you intend to subvert their way of life with western ideals. It is their country, after all: perhaps constitutional democracy or neoliberal markets are not correct for the Chinese people

>>75504432
It are always people from English speaking countries that come here and then start SJW shit.

I can imagine how Chinese would feel if you start that shit there.

>>75504432
Why did you move to USA then Chang ? You are just as subversive right here with this cultural relativism actually.

Unironically reported you for illegal content (you are obviously a chinese spy)

>>75504596
Exactly. If you are a guest in someone else's country you must behave like it and refrain from stirring up shit politically. Would you litter in your host's kitchen? No? Then don't engage in subversive political activities. Western liberals are just as bad as Muslims in this regard.

>>75503572
And this, children, is why China will never be a superpower except in the deluded minds of people like Henry Kissinger.

>>75504686
This is a clearly anti-freedom of speech discourse and therefore anti-American and subversive

>>75504616
My name is Matthew [Italian name] and I have American ancestors going back to the 17th century. Regardless, it is still my opinion that Western democracy should not be forced upon countries where it is culturally incompatible.

>>75504702
Sometimes one hand does X while another hand does Y. This is especially true when it comes to governments.

>>75504686
>>75504432
G'wan back home, Wang.

>>75504686
>>75504432
>>75504596

I'm not saying I would try to change things.

I am just saying that I would be happier if it turned out things were likely to change on their own

>>75504365
i dont know the actual differences between mandarin and cantonise. taiwanese /int/ poster would be able to help you

i mean, taiwan is the best country, the definition of "country" aside, in the han-chinese sphere. they have pretty much the same democratic values as the west and have actually cherished it.

you wouldnt have special big problems in living in singa if you didnt have a plan to make/produce some aggressive artistic stuff or to write such critiques/texts in public.

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>>75503572
>universal values of human rights
>media independence
>civil society
>western dangers

what a fucking shtihole

>>75504432
>perhaps constitutional democracy or neoliberal markets are not correct for the Chinese people
That's exactly what the CCP says.

>>75504903
All of these factors have contributed in one way or another to the moral and demographic decline of western democracies.

>>75504937
Christ you're a faggot

>>75504937
That's funny 'cos in China there's no morals at all, just whatever benefits the power of the state.

"In order to establish socialism, half of China may well have to die."

-- Mao Zedong

>>75504937
>/pol/eddit says so it must be true!

>>75504937
China isnt exactly a moral haven.

You should better think about China's possibility of setting war on American allies
The proportion of real estate investment in China's GDP is 25% even for the latest indicator
That is, the Chinese government knows the collapse of the Chinese economy but can not control the real estate bubble
When this bubble breaks, it is time for China to strike war

>>75504937
>moral decline
To decline you have to be at a level. Chinese have no morals, they've been completely brainwashed by their government.

I pray for the catholic faith to spread further in China.
Catholic morals and teaching of Christ is what Chinese society desperately needs.

>>75504937
Is there a word to describe an opinion which is formulated only because it is contrarian and 'edgy', and is said only to get attention?

>>75505006
China is only nominally communist; it is de facto a heterogeneous economy which contains many zones of relatively liberal commerce. That being said, who are we to decide what is best for the future of China? Are we Americans really so much more free, who are constantly surveilled by opaque bureaucracies and swindled as a people into endless wars of imperialism?

>>75505154
>Are we Americans really so much more free
Compared to China, yes

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Let's do this thing.

>>75504839
>I am just saying that I would be happier if it turned out things were likely to change on their own
in this case, I wouldn't recommend going to a place that is stubbornly contrasted to your own views, and expect or assume their views will change

typical "diaspora/3rd generations chimpouting" thread
on the western internet you cant escape from this diaspora millennial hell storm

the irony is, the communities where japanese and mainladers post make much better arguments and have deep insightful discussions

>>75505368
Post the one with the pigs in the river

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blacklisted_keywords_in_China

It's truly incredible how hostile Westerners become toward a proud and ancient civilization just for its espousal of different values and customs.

China's traditional culture was mostly destroyed by communism anyway--there's not much left except in some rural villages.

Either way you'll always be a foreigner

>>75505523
The west is build on revolutions. Each one breaking off the old and setting up something better.

>>75505633
Ah yes, more poorly recited, obsolete historical revisionism from /pol/. Charming.>>75505633

>>75505523
It's incredible how blind you are to not see the fact that communism is western and destroyed any Chinese culture left on the mainland

>>75505665
The sexual revolution has destroyed the West's ability to maintain native population growth. As the future belongs to those who show up, this I think was not a very beneficial revolution.

>>75505523
>proud and ancient civilization just for its espousal of different values and customs.
Communist China? Massive fucking kek. Communists tried and still try to eradicate everything that has something in common with tradition.

Hong Kong still has more freedoms compared to the mainland. Beijing has been slowly chipping away at them though. HK used to have bookstores with material criticizing the CCP but they are slowly vanishing. One bookstore owner got abducted from HK and wound up in the mainland. People were outraged of course. He showed up on TV saying that he went of his own free will to help mainland police with an investigation. All the while his passport was still in HK, meaning he would not have been able to cross the border into the mainland.

>>75505764

excuse me have you seen Japanese birthrates?

>>75505764
Its mostly South and East Europe and Germany who's population growth is too low. In north and west europe the problem is not that big. And it cant be explained by migrants.

I think it has more to do with peoples financial inability to move out of their parents homes.

>>75505852
Yes, they have become sterile due to Americanization.

>>75505706
Have you heard of the Cultural Revolution and the Four Olds ? They basically wanted to get rid of anything that they perceived as holding China back or being in opposition with Marxist thought. Buddhist temples were torn down, Confucius' grave was vandalized, tombs of emperors profaned and books burned. They even wanted to fuck up the Forbidden City but Zhou Enlai saved it. In the 90' they started rebuilding and restoring old sites. Funniest thing is that a lot of Chinese artifacts have been saved by the black market.

>>75505891
If a student moves out here he cant afford a place where he can raise a baby either.

>>75505852
Who fucking cares about a slightly flat birthrate when you're bound to be on the forefront of the robotic revolution ?

>>75503826
adv china is so hilariously biased it's incredible

not to mention the climate in China is starting to make them crack and it shows

>>75503826
>adv china is a youtube channel about western dudes living in mainland china
i like cmilk but they're all pretty retarded and not knowledgeable of anything beyond mundane day-to-day life. also the south african guy has some narcissism issues and most of their friends are annoying and/or retards.

oh and the south african guy (serpentz?) has been doing click-baity bullshit videos for like the past year. Quality and legitimacy in his channel has dropped a lot.

my point is that you shouldn't trust their deductions regarding economy/politics/culture.

>>75506699
Yeah once they went "official"/made the channels their day jobs, the content went to shit.

I don't think they realized how quickly you run out of ideas when you make new shit every other day. Now serpentza just rehashes old videos, while the new ones are all very similar and worn with the same content and sermons that they've gone over in 5 other videos.

not to mention I hate watching how cmilk treats his wife and serpentza is getting increasingly political and preachy, no matter what he says to the contrary

>>75503572
Hong Kong is alright. If you dislike the government you'll feel right at home.

>>75505052
Yeah, it worked so well in LatAm and the shithole you live in. Hahah.

>>75505052
What China needs to bring back is confucian values. They don't need any Catholic faith.

>>75506278
biased towards china or against?

>>75506699
what have they shown to not know shit about?

>>75503572
I don't see what is wrong with the things listed there. Not like Hong Kong is anything but pure degeneracy and greed anyway.

>>75503572
Chinks ruined HK in less than 10 years, don't bother. Go literally anywhere else.

>>75505799
>he hasn't been to China since 2012

They pretty much completely reversed the "destroy tradition" thingy (which only happened in 1960's).

>>75506104
>Have you heard of the Cultural Revolution and the Four Olds ?

You'd have to assume history books in China mention anything about those. I guess he could ask his grandma.

>>75509754
>HK 2007 was ruined

Uhh no kill yourself

*rules as a dictator in HK for 100 years*
*cries about not enough democracy*

>>75506104
Confucius' grave was never "vandalized".

Also, the cultural revolution ended 41 years ago.

>>75503572
>Do you think the Chinese government is likely to liberalise politically
Yes, because of a concept known as performance legitimacy. In authoritarian or totalitarian societies, the general population will only be willing to put up with their shit so long as the perception is that the regime is improving their lives. China has adopted capitalism heavily in the last 40 years, which exposes them more to the boom and bust cycle. The moment things go bust for the middle class Chinese citizen, they'll get angry and demand a political solution.

Civic democracy tends to weather these boom and bust cycles better because we don't have faith in -the- regime but rather our systems of electing regimes. Votes of no confidence in particular (not that the US has them) are good for blowing off pressure.

>over the next 10-20 years?
Who knows the timeline.

>>75509984
Troll somewhere else dumb spic

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>>75510165

interesting and wellpresented ideas that are relevant to the topic at hand

i give your post a 9/10

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>>75505891
>I think it has more to do with peoples financial inability to move out of their parents homes.

Let's take a look then

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>>75510725
>>75505891

>>75510725
>>75510777
And what have you concluded?

>>75511662
Netherlands is gay

>>75503572
>For example, the 'Document Number 9' lists the following 7 concepts as 'western dangers' and forbids their teaching in schools:
>>constitutional democracy
>>universal values of human rights
>>civil society
>>pro-market neo-liberalism
>>media independence
>>historical nihilism [criticisms of past errors]
>>questioning Reform
good

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>>75511662
It mostly correlates but Germany is the big outlier. In terms of countries in green on the first graph.

At first I thought Catholicism would explain why France and Ireland are much more fertile than they ought to be, but Italy, Spain, and Poland still have quite low birthrates despite being Catholic. So clearly that isn't it. It seems that moving out of the parents' home is the strongest indicator but that doesn't stop Germans from being cold flaccid autists.

>>75511775
also this, fertility rate is 0

>>75511775
That's wishful thinking.