Actually give me 1 (one) non-meme/non-pol argument as to why

>>75410321
Cuz capitalists came and ruined my glorious communistic country

>>75410321
Seems impracticable over like 20 people since humans are by nature greedy, and unless people are personally accountable to each other it is bound to fail.

reductionist materialism

>>75410336
take it back comrade

>>75410321
One sentence:
All former communist countries are hellholes.

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>>75410321
Because I don't want other people to own my means of production. A farm should belong to its owners, not the community. A factory should belong to its owner, not the community. Only the individual knows whats best for their property. Not the community.

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>>75410383
This. Also it was merely used to have an excuse to kill Christians.

>>75410395
Owner is a parasite exploiting workers

>>75410321
no matter what argument i will give you you will still call it a meme/pol argument.

>>75410321
What a suprise most of thoose deaths are in non capitalistic countries 3rd world shitholes with 75iq subhumans.

>>75410407
>posts muh gorillions man

>>75410485
and third world shitholes*

>>75410321
Because every time it's attempted it fails

>b-b-but no TRUE socialist/communist...

Yeah but not even a room full of socialists/communists can agree on what an "authentic" transition to socialism would look like, let alone what an "authentic" socialist state would look like.

What does the "people owning the means of production" even fucking mean in a world filled with automation?

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>>75410452
>exploiting workers
The workers are parasites. They are lucky to even get a wage.

The owner could have his family work for free and keep the profits within the family.

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>>75410492
So the gulags did not exist. Alright. You sure showed me.

Because the man next to me who does a shit job at his work shouldn't be earning the same wage as me

im not one of those 20 mil so i dont care

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>>75410531
>The citizens are parasites. They are lucky to even get a life.
>The state could have it's people work for free and keep the profits within the budget.

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>>75410321
Because my great-grandfather was shot in front of his whole family for owning many cows.

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>>75410377
(((they))) won't let us, and (((they))) are too strong unfortunately

>>75410452
work exists because of supply and demand. even if you quit your job because you are being "exploited" someone else will fill your spot and sell his time spent for a wage. workers hold all the cards over employers in capitalism yet all they do is complain and nothing else.

I actually like socialism I just don't like the whole open borders shit.

>>75410600
you showed yourself

>>75410321
i don't like paying for other people's shit

>>75410753
Why should some owner even get the profit workers brought him? He doesn't contribute, he doesn't do anything besides stealing workers' money

>implying commies, especially state commies, would do anything for Uganda either

>>75410600
there is not a single official document (or any document that is considered reliable) that confirms that so many people were killed. no one denying gulags existed but the numbers of victims are extremely exaggerated, and overall there were not even that many prisoners there even compared to modern or especially tsarist russia, percentage-wise i mean.

>>75410835
because he runs the company you dumbfuck. the owner doesn't just sit on his ass all day swimming in money, he has shit tons of work to do, arguably more than the average worker you're bitching about.

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>>75410840
What does that remind me of

>>75410321
It is the most efficient model, it is not a coincidence that all communist or ex-communist countries are shit and all non-Communist countries are not, the difference between Colombia and Venezuela seems to me the best possible example.

But finally, even the communists who lived the transition from Franco to modern times say that they lived better at that time than the socialist shit we live in Spain today. (Spain spends on social issues enough to go to the moon every month), my mother lived in Cuba and then in Puerto Rico and I assure you that I would never want to return to Cuba and my father would go to the front if there was a coup d'état right now.

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>>75410321

>>75410835
>He doesn't contribute
but he does? work isnt some currency that just naturally exists, it needs to be designed, created, supervised and maintained which is that employers do.

>>75410321
economic calculation is impossible without market prices

>>75410683
>The citizens are parasites.
There are no citizens in Communism, only workers.

>The state could have it's people work for free
Thats called military.

>>75410321
Because the human trash deserved it.

>>75410321
>Implying capitalism has not funded billions to charities, research in medicine, GMO's and other projects that help 3rd worlders.
>Implying that this number is not low, considering Africa is 1.2 billion people (Even more of you take in other continents poor populations)
>Implying that this number would not be higher with communism or that communist countries would help 3rd worlders

I've would also like to add the best argument against communism.
No one sane would want to live, even under perfect communism.
It would be a depressing existence.
I would rather live in Varg's tribal pagan society.

>>75410880
Germans had very, very precise records for inmates processed though.

Nobody really knew how many russians aside from a few census here and there but its certainly not in the tens of millions because that's literally more as a percentage of the population than died during the German invasion.

>>75410982
>State has its people work for free in the military
oh good heavens no

>>75410531
Yeah I'm sure people have such large families

>>75410321
Rich people are inherently better than the poor

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>>75411273
Yes they did. And the common ground is still six million that are somehow more important than the others that suffered even though the numbers tell a different story.

Because I don't want to be ruled by a dictator.

>>75410321
This doesn't show that Capitalism is a failing system. This just shows that Africa can't do it right.

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>>75412452
Every State is a dictatorship in the end. The difference is simply by whom lies the power.

>>75410321
communism is very stagnant. I am ok with half of a country dying because they don't have access to a good healthcare if we can have constant economic growth and technology progress