Is it time for Japan to embrace immigration to save their birth

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>>75011567
SOON

Yes it is sound economic policy. They will need a massive influx of immigrants to counter their labor shortage and population decline to compete with other advanced and rapidly growing countries.

>>75011609
>compete with other advanced and rapidly growing countries.
Why countries are run like corporation now? It's all about the money the GDP and other shit, not the happiness of healthiness of the people.

>>75011653
Because Deflationary spirals suck for everybody more than having your polulation be 20% brown people

>>75011690
Why does it magically stop after 20%? It´s going to continue and only time will tell where this crazy experiment is going to end.

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no, never, we'll die out like a man

>>75011778
Time it takes for automation to get fleshed out so you won't have to keep on importing immigrants.

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>>75011609

>>75011795
When will this meme stop? We don´t even have enough manual jobs for all the migrants right now.

>>75011841
>don't understand economic principles
>call it a meme to discredit the argument

This is why people think conservatives are retarded

>>75011567
and this is why "watching" fetish is much worse than "doing" fetish

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>>75011904
You think this has to do with fetish?

You're kidding, right?

The average man in JApan works 60 hours a week. There is literally ZERO time for socializing. And there is NO MONEY for a girlfriend/boyfriend.

In Japan, you don't tip restaraunts because you're busy tipping your landlord.

Everyime you renew your lease you are expected to tip your landlord 1 month's rent for free. And then you tip the guy doing the paperwork 1 month's rent. No. I'm not joking.

Then when you're done tipping your landlord you're buying gifts for everyone you meet.

Then you find out the average house in Japan is built to only last 20 years so everyone in Japan is constantly saving up money for a new house because you have to buy 3 or 4 in your entire lifetime.

And you're EXPECTED to spend TIME with co-workers AFTER WORK. In Japan, after your work shift ends, you are OBLIGATED to go drink with your co-workers/boss and if you don't you're a cunt. EVEN IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM YOU STILL HAVE TO DO IT. AND YOU BUY THEM GIFTS TOO

In Japan, you have no time to get laid, and no money to raise a family.

Do some fucking research, this goes way beyond dumb fetishes..

>>75011888
There is no economic principles behind the sureness of automation besides investor driven speculation. As it turns out, there has been very little macro level automation of labor.

>>75011998
lol u mad son

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>>75011998
>evereyone in Japan is constantly saving up money for a new house because you have to buy 3 or 4 in your entire lifetime
sounds plausible

>>75011567
tfw torn between desire to impregnate a japanese woman and a guilt that you'd taint their pure, proud lineage

>>75012071
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-are-japanese-homes-disposable-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast-3/

>Japanese houses are completely worthless fifteen or twenty years after they were built.

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>>75011998
>60 hours

That's it? The overworking salaryman meme is only 60 hours?

Startup culture here in the SF bay mandates 80 hours work weeks.

>>75012120
So why aren't they building better homes?

>>75011998
>Japs literally tip their landlord

L O L

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>>75011567
delete this thread
you are stupid

>>75011567
What? No, immigration won't save Japanese birthrates. They'll still have low birthrates, AND they'll be surrounded by foreigners.

>>75012300
what's the solution then?

Japan seems like a pretty harsh place to live financially and they have nowhere to expand.

This is a death sentence to any country in our post-modern world.

why doesn't the government just create a week dedicated to people fucking to produce kids

easy fix aha

>>75011998
Reddit spacing, the fucking post.

>>75012120
>>75012136
it's more of japanese people's penchant for 'shinchiku' (new building) partly out of shinto culture than actual physical longevity of houses. they often pull down an "old (25+y/o)" house and build new one even when it's clearly livable with some renovations. this culture is also reinforced by lots of incentives implemented by the government, which has a traditional doctrine that japan, being a natural disaster ridden country, should keep a large construction workforce and need to feed them constantly.

Does this mean my anime is about to have a bunch of subcontinentals and negros in it?

>>75011653
who will create gdp for the old pensioners when there won't be enough young to work?

it's better to have browns than starve to death in your old age.

>>75012126
>meme is only 60 hours?
>80/7 ~ 11 hrs per day including weekends?
fuck you.. that can't be.

>>75013258
>who will create gdp for the old pensioners when there won't be enough young to work?
There was a time when your family helped take care of you when you got old.

>>75011567
won't happen. we're on the verge of the robotic age. a new form of slaves able to take care of themselves. Universal wage will be a thing.

>>75013327
social-feminism and welfare state ruined it for you.

>>75013327
Now we can't even take care of ourselves.

>>75011567
There's nothing wrong with people dying and reducing the population. Mass western consumerism is a joke and isn't sustainable anyway so dumping a bunch of shitakins into your country to take menial jobs to temporarily put off the collapse of western capitalism is no solution.

Let the economy die and the people with it and from this grow a new and sustainable future with fewer more educated people being waited on by robots.

Leave Randeep and Gurjeet to shit on themselves in the rice paddy.

>>75013505
>Leave Randeep and Gurjeet to shit on themselves in the rice paddy.
DELET THIS.

>>75013258
Seriously fuck off back to your call centre.

Very good, I wanna move to Japan. The only actual problem is the language, Japanese is fucked up. If they create massive immigration like the westerners did in 1970s it would be cool. Also they should take more Russians - we are close to them and we have many educated people.

>>75011653
Because of capitalism, lol. Ruling class in capitalist society are capitalists who do things which benefit them, not the population.

>>75013567
Japs are highy racists and cultural supremacists.
People who have been living there for a few decade, can speak Japanese rather fluently are looked down upon because one of their parent is non-Japanese.

>>75013555
Hi, This is John. How may I help you sir.

>>75013610

No one cares about you, poo-face.
Anyways, you're just bitter they come down hard (that is, LAY THE JUSTICE DOWN) on people like you that like to rape every woman they see. FUCK YOU!

>>75013367
>>75013315

I hope your entire worthless family gets raped and their throats slashed, as you cower like a little bitch in some corner. FUCK OFF, POO!

>>75013644
>says the most irrelevant nation eva
stay mad, canada.

Every single country that has adopted feminism has had their birth rates plummet.

The problem is feminism and modern western culture, it's not the solution.

>>75013567
>>75013593
how do you russians fell about immigrants? You have guys a serious problem with population yourselves being the biggest country with half the population of brazil.

Is there a solution for this?

Beautiful, I wanna see every nation in the world flooded with shitskins.

>>75012904
If anything they're gonna start accepting Chinese and other South Asian immigrants

>>75013678
b..but we only rape canadian women.

>>75012904
Doujins are already filled with bbc niggras. Maybe the japs have a weird cuckold fetish

>>75013708
BROWN PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>75013610
I know, but it's their problem. They would have issues with integration of immigrants than. But if there's a lot of immigrants I could just hang out with other immigrants.
Also pussies above complain about immigration so funny, lol. Dudes, it's 21st century. There would be no nations which would survive 21st century, everyone would be mixed because of globalization. And globalization is inevitable product of capitalism. You should find the most smart way to lead your country in 21st century, not to oppose 21st century. Countries which try to stop the time usually end up with bloody revolutions, read about Russian Empire.

>>75013752
Fuck year

>>75013684
>huge per capita gdp
>massive prosperity
>most educated country in the world

>guy who cooks with three stone pots on a fire and until recently had like 5+ babies born per woman due to mortality rates calling us irrelevant

I think I remember this scam from when I was in Dheli, your house collapsed and you need money right??

>>75013775
>>huge per capita gdp
>>massive prosperity
>>most educated country in the world
irrelevant even with all these! Canadians are the worst cucks on the planet.

Go suck some merrican cocks, you pleb.

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>immigrating
>to a nation with 6 day 60 hour work weeks
lol nah

>>75013691
Our birthrates are okay. Huge death rate due to drugs and alcohol is the problem, also youth moves abroad with the first opportunity. We had immigrants from others ex USSR republics in 00s but now there are way less people coming because we have become shithole again, thanks to Putin.
>>75013687
Back to pol.jpg
Iran has no feminism yet their birthrates are lower than birthrates of France. Despite it's one of the most conservative countries in the world. There are no feminists in Russia but our birthrates aren't really big.
Go to Wikipedia and read about demography shift. Why are Americans that uneducated?

>>75011567
imagine all those japs woman getting blacked

>>75013824
Illegals in USA work like that. There are tons of people worldwide who would work hard if the salary is really big.

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>>75011567
YES
soon "Fucken?" for japanese woman as well

>>75011779
don't be such a racist nippon, let poor "refugees" come to your country as well.

>>75013709
I guess they would have many Philippinos 2bh

>>75013839
But do you think russia benefits from immigration overall? How hard would be to emmigrate if happen to speak russian in the future?

>>75013883
They aren't talking about refugees, they talk about economy immigrants, people who wanna have big salaries.
Shit, I hate you poltards that much. You always try to push your narrative anywhere.

>>75013936
>>75013883
>being this butthurt about your head of state.

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>>75011567
YEAH NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f57pOahRe18

>>75013824
people who are willing to immigrate to such country already work like that in their country but with a much lower salary.

>>75013950
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>>75013957
HAHAHAAHAH WHAT THE FUCK

>>75013922
>How hard would be to emmigrate if happen to speak russian in the future?
Why would you need that? Brazil is Russia and Russia is Brazil except some minor differences. You're kind of democracy and your economy is doing better than our. Also you have good climate. On the other hand, crime rates in Russia are lower. Also salaries for skilled jobs in Russia are way lower than in Brazil.
>russia benefits from immigration overall
We don't have many immigration now. In 00s... It's difficult to say. I think it has changed nothing. We have become shithole again eventually so idk if immigrants helped our economy, I think their influence is incomparable with influence of petrodollars. Also people in ex USSR are heavily influenced with Russian culture so we don't have that big problems with integration as the West has. Also Russian are among the least racist people on earth, if you speak Russian properly and can into memes you would easily find friends here.

>>75014123
democracy is so overrated.

I don't know man, I like russia better. People in Brazil live such an utilitarian life. It's like they don't aspire this country to be a good place in the future, and they have no memory of any good thing to look past to. They just live their lifes spoilling the state and the others as much as they can and never get involved to improve anything.

People here don't give a fuck about actual education. Neither math nor literature.

People here take everything for granted and don't prepare for the future. The previdenciary system is rigged and we can't do anything about it because no one saves for the future but they want the state to pay for their retirement at the age of 60

We have a petty crimes epidemic since the 80's and no one manages to do anything about it. If anything they help the bad guys. Carrying guns is forbidden in brazil, and in my state, blades and knifes bigger then 10cm is also forbidden.

We have no industry and no military like we used to have.

I think I'd like to stay a couple years somewhere else and see how things works out for me there.

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>>75014327
pic related.

brazil is really low on savings.

>>75014377
Saving is not always the good thing to do.

>>75014397
explain yourself.

>>75014397
they should have some form of investment if they expect to have a decent retirement.

We used to have 8 workers for every person retired. Right now the ratio is 1.5 to one. There's no way we can keep this working much longer.

>>75011653
It's called capitalism.

>>75011567
Japan's population would be 83m in 2100 when japan's fertility rate would be 1.8 in 2100 but abe-nomics goal is be 1.8 in 2030 and it grows 0.2 during 5 yrs.

Un expect japan's fertility rate would be 2.0 in 2055 and last year, 135000 foreigner (chinese,western,etc) be japanese

>>75014674
see. it is

>>75011567
Noooo!

>>75014554
Capitalism is an economic system not the basis to run a government by

>>75011567
the whole world evetually will, even developing nations like this ones or some asian countries are already getting inmigration, globalization is inevitable

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>>75011567
Look.
Japan's population would be 83m in 2100 when its fertility rate would be 1.8 in 2100.

but abe-nomic's goal is to be 1.8 in 2030 and Un expect japan and germany's fertility rate would be 2.0 in 2060

Morever, last year 135000 ppl come to japan( from china,western,etc)

so I think japan's population will always over 100m and robotic world will come.(even japan is the most strong robot country in the world)
so u dont worry about japan. Japanese have a lot of way to solve it and they are doing it.
japan's anime industey is forever

>>75014786
Welcome to the post-WW2 world

>>75014408
When the currency they use isn't stable (like the Brazilian real), is better to have physical objects that retain its valor for much longer.

>>75011567
No please. Leave Japan alone.

>>75015328
savings can be either in currency or gold.

indian households almost exclusively invest in gold.

>>75014786
Why would any capitalist entity abide by that rule if it stifles their opportunity to expand the market and then dominate it?

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>>75014786
You have to be pretty bluepill to not know about late capitalism.

Are we the jews now?

>>75015355
Oh, I though you mean saving like in keeping your money in the bank

>>75011567
Even if they did, most immigrants wouldn't be able to speak Japanese for shit so it'll be like having a parallel country inside of Japan filled with immigrants

>>75015398
That's pretty much every immigrant we have except for Albanians

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>>75011581
Look.
Japan's population would be 83m in 2100 when its fertility rate would be 1.8 in 2100.

but abe-nomic's goal is to be 1.8 in 2030 and Un expect japan and germany's fertility rate would be 2.0 in 2060

Morever, last year 135000 ppl come to japan( from china,western,etc)

so I think japan's population will always over 100m and robotic world will come.(even japan is the most strong robot country in the world)
so u dont worry about japan. Japanese have a lot of way to solve it and they are doing it.
japan's anime industey is forever

>>75015398
its called ghetto

>>75015142
>>75015460
>>75014674
Is this some kind of bot?

>>75015502
koreans are known for repeating themselves.

>>75015398
Welcome to our world, fun fact: these people don't actually work well or take our jobs, what happens is that employers use their presence to pressure their employees to work more for less money implying that they can be replaced(hint: this isn't really true as immigrants here are less skilled).

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>>75013709
>accepting Chinese
they've always been there, psuedo-blend into everyday life even adopting a japanese name, speak better japanese then their own native language, you wouldn't even notice they are there.

Make Japan Southeast Asian again

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>>75011567
>anon, your body is slowly dying, so we have no choice but to replace it piece by piece with self-replicating nanobots.
>oh yeah but eventually the nanobots will make their way to your brain and replace your consciousness with their own OS but we will still pretend like they are you because PROGRESS
Bravo, merchants.

>>75012475
Societal adjustment. Decrease work hours, encourage child birth. Mass immigration is not a solution, it's a different problem.

>>75016018
Now you are making immigration sound awesome

>>75016098
>its a lot more smelly and rapey than my analogy

Immigrants are starting to piss me off.
Just fuck off

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>>75013824

>>75016161
I think you just broke the law in your country with that sentence.

>>75016169
>Mexico
Getting paid during your siesta shouldn't count as work hours.

>>75016173
nope

>>75016204
>siesta
60 hour work weeks are basically the norm for any unskilled work like laborers or factory workers. We take breaks, frequently, with many festivity day-offs, but we don't stop in the middle of the day to take a nap like we're fucking preschool kids.
Siestas are something you do on your day off when you just take a nap while relaxing.

>>75016204
It's not

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>>75011998
>The average man in JApan works 60 hours a week
No. they are not, Anglos tend to have a very cartoon-like picture of East Asian societies, please stop this meme

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>>75016911
>>75016169

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>>75011653
>oy vey goy! You need to import millions of third worlders to undercut you and give me more shekels fast or our country will literally implode!!

>>75014786
I wish our rulers shared the same sentiment.

>>75011567
lmao not even the island chinks are safe from the shilling

>>75012096
>pure, proud heritage

Hahahahahah weeb delusions are hilarious. Japs considered themselves the inferior asians until the 1800's, and are literal Korean/Chinese/Ainu/American mongrels.

>>75012904
It already does.

Abe is a cuckold.

>>75014674
>>75015142
>>75015460
Is this a Jap proxy?

>>75014786
Our governments didn't get that memo.

>>75015398
Get used to it

>>75012747
Enlightening. Are you true Japanese? Here many people live in 100+ year old houses and people like things that last as long as possible.

>>75013567
Is Japanese that hard? No declension on nouns, no tones, every consonant is followed by a vowel.

>>75020489
>every consonant is followed by a vowel.
ん?

>>75015441
Albanians speak good Italian?

>>75011567
yes

>>75020813
They don't speak it well, but most already had basic knowledge of it from watching Italian TV, so they learned it quite fast and never formed a completely parallel society (even though they still keep to themselves)

>>75011567
yes

>>75011567
definitely

>>75020625
Ok almost every. I know they don't have amazing words like štvrtok, strč, prst, krk, strela, krb, kĺb, krm, zmrzlina and so on.

>>75011567
Japan Today is a left.
They're trying to lead Japan the immigration country.

sales tax is bad.

>>75012747
Question regarding this:

How well do most buildings survive the frequent seismic activity? Is damage really so minimal that even after 20-30 years of small-to-moderate tremors a regular house would only need some renovations?

>>75011653
because its the only excuse many governments have for their own existence

say what you will about the old soviet communists (i wont pretend modern communist countries are the same) but they did put the wellbeing of the citizens first in most cases.

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>>75011567
>The jew fears the samu-

>>75011998
this is dumb
the average Japanese works a pretty lax schedule

FAR less than the average American who does actually work insane hours for no pay

Race war soon lads

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>>75021579
Meanwhile in Finland

there's alreadya fuck ton of inmigrants living in japan

indians and other colored inmigrants stick out like sore thumbs, but the chinese are sneaky, and if you start paying attention, you'll soon realize they are EVERYWHERE

>>75022075
at least the Chinese blend in a bit more and often learn the language

having obviously foreign people in large numbers is stressing

>>75011653
>It's all about the money the GDP and other shit
we fought a cold war over this

Brown and black subhumans want to destroy another nation i will stop them

>>75011653
Capitalism
>inb4 someone calls me a commie

>>75020372
>tfw I'm living in a 19th centuary British built shithole of a house