Bravo France! This is your future now! https://twitter.com/

>>74542414
S A NC T I O N S

>>74542414
Be prepared for the sanctions, Poland

>>74542484
>implying Germany allows them to sanction us

SANCTIONS4POLAND

>>74542668
you won't do it. we and our economy are too important for you. and france is pretty much irrelevant

>>74542414
>boring "centrist" with little in the way of actual convictions just like every other politician of the past 25+ years in the west
>"this is a revolution"
lolwut

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>>74542722
>sanctions against EU country have to be voted unilateraly
>Hungary (praise be upon them) already said there's no fucking chance they will ever support sanctions against Poland

P A Y
G I B S

wtf?france is niggerland?

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You guys had one job

>>74542875
You realise that if Le Pen won, Poland would be annexed by Russia, right? Not like you fuckers are capable of defending yourselves.

>>74542668
>if you sanction your enemy, they win

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>>74542414
>implying Macron won't just do everything his German masters tells him to, just like every other French leader since 1871

>>74542794
>you won't do it.
sure we would.
>we and our economy are too important for you.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>and france is pretty much irrelevant
way more relevant than poland in every aspect

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>>74542966
>Poland would be annexed by Russia
The same Russia that still struggles to get a ground in a few dozens of square kilometres in Ukraine despite 90% population support?
The same Russia and was all talk-the-talk and no walk-the-walk when Turks shot down their military fighter jet?

Oh no, shitting my pants atm.
Get a fucking grip on reality you stupid LARPing piece of dookie.
Russia is a bear without teeth.

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>>74542668
Fuck Poland, I'm suicidal already.

>>74543044
That's the point. germany will just dump all the """"""refugees""""""" in france like in a trash bin. Macron wanted to stop the apparent outsourcing. So now the immigrants in france itself will start doing all the manufacturing.

All French people should kill themselves to be honest

>>74543133
Yes, the same Russia that annexed a substantial amount of Ukrainian land when the West decided to abandon Ukraine, to the ire of nearly the entire world.

Yes, the same Russia that had Turkey beg on its knees and apologise after shooting down one of their jets. Turkey which has a stronger military than Poland probably, is also in NATO and has a strongman leader, still had to beg.

I'd give Poland two, maybe three weeks.

>>74543180
Hey, at least they won't end up in your backyard.

Unless the EU wants to start sanctioning tyrants like Kaczynski and Orban while dishing out dosh to democratic, forward-thinking leaders like Babis and Vucic.

>>74543342
>when the West decided to abandon Ukraine, to the ire of nearly the entire world.

Ukraine wasn't part of NATO, we had no obligation to defend it. Completely different from Poland.

one of us one of us

>>74543382
>Hey, at least they won't end up in your backyard.
But that's exactly what Macarroni is complaining about, that if they take the gibs they have to take the shits as well.

>forward-thinking leaders like Vucic
wtf am I reading lmao

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>>74543342
>Yes, the same Russia that had Turkey beg on its knees and apologise after shooting down one of their jets.
This is what russian bydlo gastarbeiters in Holland think.

My fucking sides.

>>74543520
Learn to sarcasm, Alexander.

>>74542668
>implying a country that just voted for self-destruction will have the balls to do anything beyond self-flagellate
>implying Frances new "non-culture," won't be entirely based on cheap labor it can grab from any corner of the world

France isn't going to do anything to Poland.

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>>74543616
But Poland is racist, of course they're going to do something about it

>>74543698
Poland isn't racist, Poland is just dumb and extremely easy to manipulate. Tell them the sun is bad and they'll bury themselves underground.

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>We're guaranteed years of happening's from France yet again.

>>74543529
>a Russian gastarbeiter

in that case I would support Le Pen as she is extremely pro-Russia

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>>74543657
Disgusting.

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>>74543426
For an organization created to counter the military power of the USSR it sure as hell is strange they wouldn't help Ukraine out against Russia

>>74543982
or Georgia against Russia

>>74542966
>You realise that if Le Pen won, Poland would be annexed by Russia, right?
What the fuck are you talking about? Even Le Pen decided to leave NATO (but that would have been extremely unlikely) it doesn't mean the end NATO itself.
Also Russia is too poor right now to start shit like that. It's not the Soviet Union anymore. Currently Russia is a joke.

>>74543657
All headed for poland or no EU bucks.

>>74543982
It was meant to protect its member states. If you're not in NATO, then toigh luck.

>>74544039
Again, not a member of NATO.

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>>74544039
When has NATO ever done anything to curb Russia's expansion? They just used everyone's fear of Russia as an excuse to subjugate half the world into serving their interests.

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>>74543982
>counter the military power of the USSR
>help Ukraine out against Russia

>counter USSR
>help against Russia

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>>74543982
>A defensive military alliance between member states didn't go out of its way to save non-members

You guys are really onto something.

>>74544156
>oh there's a hole in your part of the ship?
>though luck dudee

>>74544288
What the hell are you trying to say here?

>>74543791
>Poland is just dumb and extremely easy to manipulate. Tell them the sun is bad and they'll bury themselves underground.
kek

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>>74544288
Which part of "not a member of the military alliance" you don't understand?

why are americans unable to think long-term or outside the box? go read that martin niemoller qoute "first they came for"
russia invading nations close to us is a threat to nato whether the nations are in nato or not

>>74544288
not nato's ship dumb a lumb, just some boat to the side

>>74544375
NATO is going to lose if they let Russia expand however much they want.

>>74544549
Did it lost already?

Macron is the french Bernie Sanders

I hate him

>>74544344
that the ship is still sinking despite no water coming in from your part of the boat.
ship = europe
water = russia
your part of the ship = european nato countries

>>74544633
Nice mental gymnastics right there.

>>74544549
>however much they want
If that was true russian troops would be marching through Kiev right now.
The truth is Russia simply can't afford something like that, not to mention the sanctions are already damaging its economy pretty hard.

>>74544605
Sanders is more left-wing, Macron is a flithy centrist

>>74544633
but russia is part of europe aswell

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>>74544549
NATO's going to lose because Europeans have shown they have absolutely no fucking spine and so all the heavy lifting done by the alliance comes from the US.

Your post is also completely irrelevant to the fact it's a defensive alliance between members. Learn what that means.

>>74544779
you have to go back

>>74544549
>NATO is going to lose

Lose what? WWIII?

>If they let Russia expand as much as it wants

Russia could annex Ukraine and Belarus tomorrow and it would make no difference to the relative military and economic strength of NATO vs Russia.

>>74544633
NATO is the ship. Ukraine is another ship that isn't our problem.

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>>74544605
Hmm try again sweetie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_PQlXCgGA

>>74544723
Only the public, turning them against us more and more.

See, Russia isn't out for world domination, they settle for picking on whoever they can to gain influence and power. By making up excuses to let this continue you're playing straight into his hands.

>>74544825
Why should Europeans pay their money AND their lives to help you intervene in dumbfuckistan #5?

Even Sweden helped you take down Afghanistan, and what did we get for it? Fucking nothing. For shame.

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>>74544633
>ship = europe
>water = russia
russia = europe
therefore
water = ship

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>>74544860
wHAT DO THEY PUT IN YOUR WATER YOU UDMB ASS?!

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God damn, man
God bless whoever my ancestors were who made their way over to the New World

>>74544737
Only on economics. On social policies he lines right up with leftwing anti-western sentiment.

>>74544877
>sweetie
Passive aggressive leftwingers are fucking scum, especially when they're leaves.

>>74544937
You care about Ukraine, because it's part of Europe and you care about Europe. I only care about NATO member states. Rest of Europe can go to hell for all I care, they're not our problem. I'd rather defend New Zealand than Ukraine.

>>74544854
pls pola let me stay

>>74545006
God bless the refugees and economic migrants who came to America, otherwise we'd be like France, a country that brings in huge numbers of refugees and economic migrants.

>>74544921
What would America get from defending a rapidly self-immolating Sweden from a triumphant Russia?

We're not talking about Afghanistan, we're talking about the danger of a resurgent Russia threatening Europe and if Europeans aren't inclined to defend themselves (which they've shown and proven quite a lot of in the past two years or so) then the defensive alliance designed to check Russia for their benefit will fail.

i'm fucking hate my countrymen. Seriously, I'm ashamed to live with you as a part of the same nation.

>>74545147
Better spics than muzzies. By a huge margin.

>>74545165
>Thinks we're in NATO

Long post for someone who doesn't know jack shit, I almost read it

The UK together with its master the US largely CREATED the refugees with the deranged attack on Iraq that lead to a catastrophic destablisation of the whole region.

Then the US/UK slammed their doors in the face of the refugees which they have themselves created and left the rest of us clean up the US/UK's mess while blaming Merkel for the consequences of US/UK's deranged aggressive illegal actions which amount to massive war crimes.

Remember how strongly Germany and France OPPOSED the Iraq war? Remember the French wine spilled on the US streets?

When will the Brits put Blair and the Americans Bush on trial for the disastrous illegal Iraq war? When are you going to pay to Iraqis the huge war reparations you owe them for totally destroying their country at all levels (political, military, economic, social, infrastructure ...)?

A million dead civilians in Iraq only due to your actions, and counting. When you occupied Iraq, you were bound by international law to PROTECT the Iraqi civilians, also from any new rebel groups. Yet you did not even care enough to COUNT the dead Iraqi civilians. Eh, after all they were only those inferior Muslims, nothing but collateral damage.

The deranged US/UK duo have in effect also created ISIS (which eventually spread from Iraq to Syria). Obama, Putin and Blair have all said this on the record.

Your insane aggressive actions also caused a dramatic rise in international terrorism and made the rest of us targets of terrorists.

The UK is a disgrace to the EU. Good riddance.

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>>74545077
New Zealand getting invaded would mean nothing to NATO while Ukraine would matter

>>74545220
And you know this becouse you watched videos on youtube?

>>74544605
But Macron is an ex-banker who loves capitalism.

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POLA POLA~<3!

>>74544605
But you realise that Lepen is socialist here?

>>74545165
>and if Europeans aren't inclined to defend themselves

The Europeans are literally our human shields against Russia and always have been. If a war starts, they would be the first to die, it's not fair to pretend thst they refuse to defend themselves when just aligning with the US puts them.in harm's way.

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Implying that's a bad thing.

>>74545204
you can move to any other EU county, anytime you want.
Just saying

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>>74545147
The refugees and economic migrants to the US built the country up from nothing. Yes, I know that's going to offend your sensibilities, but most of the US was empty during the major refugee waves to it. That and the people who came were integrated and assimilated within a generation or two.

France on the other hand already exists and is letting in people who are more than just refugees and migrants. Any nation that has allowed massive Islamic entryism only goes one way and you have laughably misplaced hubris and arrogance to assume a culture that's deconstructed itself down to its very biology core is going to be the one exception to survive that well-documented trend.

>>74545391
Yes, i know, already working on it.

>>74545416
Polaaaaa~<3

>>74545471
good luck!

>>74545253
There is no US obligation to defend Ukraine, while I'm pretty sure that the US does have an obligation to defend NZ. Obviously Ukraine getting attacked is a concern for NATO as a whole, but ultimately not worth dying over.

>>74545351
Then it's in their own best self-interests to make sure they can defend themselves to not be just meat shields. They only side with the US militarily because it's the only power that can leap across the sea and help them. Despite all the well words it's an alliance of convenience, which does not remove the need of Europeans to still defend themselves adequately.

>>74545260
Because muzzie countries are significantly more shitty than spic countries.

It ain't rocket science, Stanislaw.

>>74545204
Why you guys are doing better.

>>74545226
No, it was an obvious hypothetical anon. Jesus fucking Christ. I've been bitching at people talking about non-member states the whole thread. The point was NATO is designed as a mutual defense treaty and if say a country like Sweden that has resigned itself to its own shitty, self-imposed fate were a member and attacked by Russia, the US would not gain anything by defending it, at least not anything more than what nations like Sweden gained by helping in Afghanistan. It was a quipping response Sven. Keep up.

>>74545788
Uh, why do you think that? If you're talking about econominc growth, it's normal for developing countries/countries that opened their marcets recently. Also i'm tired how nobody have own opinions here and take everyting from political leaders of choosen party as truth.

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>>74542898
Indeed it is
that's why your embassy has a hotline for tourists from glorious Nippon to ship them back immediately them when their ideas of france are shattered when they actually visit the place

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

>Paris syndrome (French: Syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun)
> transient mental disorder exhibited by some individuals when visiting or vacationing to Paris,
>as a result of extreme shock resulting from their finding out that
>Paris is not what they had expected it to be.
>The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.
>It is particularly noted among Japanese travelers.

>>74545241
You just so happened to ignore the very important part where France was the principle power behind the campaign in Libya until their sorry military showed its cracks from neglect and the US had to once more do the heavy work.

Given most of the migrants aren't Syrian and the completely unrelated wave of humanity moving up from Africa benefits from a toppled Libyan government, it seems you're just whining about your lack of a spine to both oppose US/UK/French foreign policy decisions while also opposing the mass of humanity that followed. It's not either/or, you can do both and the fact you didn't is not the fault of the US/UK/France. You let those people in. You are self-flagellating. You are the ones who put up the refugee welcome signs. You are the ones suppressing yourselves from being able to say anything about it. None of that is the fault of cowboys and redcoats playing in the sand.

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>>74543982
>it sure as hell is strange they wouldn't help Ukraine out against Russia
We sent them a couple hundred million in military aid and training, fuckboi. We're not going to intervene when it wasn't explicit that they were sending entire armies into Ukraine to conquer all of it. We're not going to intervene in a non-member state when a significant portion of them are pro-Russian anyway and both sides have byldos that would love to bitch about how we're acting Imperalistic.

>>74546070
Thats a strange reason to immigrate.
If you wanna see the wolrd or get a new experience I could see why you would want to switch the country for a few years, same for wanting more cash, but there being a consensus in society you dont like seems to be a rather small issue.
So why turn your back on it completely? Here and elsewhere you will find other kinds of opinions that the majority of the population share while people also love their daily piece of stability the current party promises.

Total individualistic societies you only find in western capitals/american cities I guess and even there you will find patterns persons submit to.

>>74545274
And that comes along with open borders and "no culture," because borders and culture are hurdles to getting massive waves of cheap labor in your country. Those two stances help define the western left and they're fine going along with it to their own ends.

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>>74546196
Top fucking kek

>>74546435
You see i got new experience, i lived 4 moths in Lyon. It's enought to make you realise that Frenchmen are much more opendminded and thinking than Poles with, even if are right about something it's not becouse of their own conclusion but it happend that their prefered political party said that. Also Poles just untrusting assholes. Seriously, there are not trust in other people in society. Research show that "we" are have least trust in otheris in EU. People are so full of envy, its making me sick. And polish understanding of own history. Try tell something bad about it and you are communist, facist and jew at the same time and you are surely paid for it. To become popular in politics you basicly must become a populist. List goes on and on.

>>74547224
Mh, you come from a rural area or are city-poles in western poland also like that?

RIP France

>>74547224
good riddance

>>74547499
Trust an American to sue

>>74547499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tSYGfEg1IY

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>>74547224
>plumber
>openminded

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOO

>>74546196
I used to make fun of this, but seeing as how Paris is becoming Mogadishu with baguettes I don't think it's crazy anymore. Kind of funny how foreigners care more about the culture of a city than the self-loathing morons who let it fall apart.

>>74547365
No, Warsaw.

bongs are the only losers so far

>>74547849
What have we lost?

>>74547365
he was treated as a foreigner for 4 months and knows it all now
but in reality
he's just retarded

>>74547224
Good. Trusting others is why western Europe believed the nonsense that's going to destroy them. Humanity is hardwired not to trust outsiders for very good reason.

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>>74547618
this is sad
we cannot let this happen here

>>74542414
Okay I have been paying attention to Le Pen but I don't even know who Macron is.


Isn't he centrist (aka not a lefty) anyway?

>>74547936
in economy. bong media has consistently been too optimistic about it except for lib media. and when lib media says something bout it you always regard it as fearmongering or sabotage

you dont even care how disastrous it is and your economy will be.

>>74548026
Kek, i guess you stalked me then, so you know what are you talking about? You freak.

>>74548374
Don't trust labels like that. Learn what his positions are before becoming complacent. He might be a stereotypical liberal marketeer politician, but he's very leftwing on social issues, things like immigration. He doesn't believe French culture is something that actually exists.

>>74548579
>He doesn't believe French culture is something that actually exists.
wow, really?
that sounds awful. Do you have a quote of him saying so?

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>>74548579
He didn't say that, it's out of context. What he implied is that modern French culture isn't exclusively that of ethnic french people but of all peoples that are living in france now.

>>74542875
I'm sorry we abandoned you to you fate (again) Poland-kun, but if Russia try something you can rest easy knowing we'll boo the heck out of them next eurovision.

>>74545241
But didn't you hear, Bush and Blair came back saying they hate Trump/Brexit. How cool are they?

>>74543133
Russia btfo

>>74547694
>deleting post over a typo

>>74545241
the problems of the middle east go back much further than 2003 and the west was already a target for islamic terrorism before then. but yeah, saddam was toppled, therefore sweden, germany and france need to be swamped with turks and somalis.

>>74542414
Yes yes, let the salt flow through you.

>>74548913
No, he flat out said there's no such thing as French culture and then went on to list a bunch of foreigners who live in France along with native groups. This is the same man who said he's never seen French art. Feel free to hate your own country all you want, but stop sticking up for people undermining their own.

>>74551033
You can deny reality all you want, you know he's right.

>>74543342
Holy kek, dude lay of the joints, you are delusional

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>>74542722
if Merkel wanted sanctions on Poland that would have happened by now

>>74551735
>deny reality all you want
Now that's fucking rich.

I don't see a single problem with this

>that polish butthurt

sanctions are comings you slimy fucks

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>>74543342
Face it, you nation is infamous for its military faliures. Remember the 350,000's.

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>>74542414
>a happy wholesome family waving french flags

>>74552244
Your immigration policies are going to eventually in the near future destroy your culture and country. There's no way around that. You know it deep down even if you don't want to admit it.

>>74552833
Cry some more, you don't know shit about our immigration policies and figures, burger-kun.

>>74553035
Makes sense you have your head in the sand given how your country is going to be an extension of MENA soon. Deny it all you want. Your people would rather set cops on fire and kick women out of cafes than grow a pair.

>>74553035
Then educate me some more on them.

>>74553283
Your country is already an extension of Mexico.
>Trump will save us!
Really you shouldn't be giving anyone lessons on who to vote for

>>74553406
You're right. Here's the thing though. South America > MENA. I get good food and questionable alcohol. You get a religion that is known the world over for being the largest killjoy ever invented full of violent retards willing to kill anyone who says anything bad about their imaginary friends.

What's more, Americans were asleep at the wheel and let the demographic replacement happen and once we learned of it we knee-jerked hard to stop it or slow it down. That shows a working sense of self-preservation. Your country on the other hand has a much larger white majority, a much worse minority, and you still chose to accept your march to death.

Spastic flailing to save oneself is better than rolling over.

>>74554303
Don't reply to Frenchmen retard.

>>74545653
CHI