I'm a 23 year old white american man with a high school

Why do you want to get out?

>>74500108

the healthcare situation in this country

that's literally the only reason

I don't have any vested interest in any of these foreign nations, but it's a matter of survival

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>23 year old
>high school diploma
You can be lucky enough to scrub toilets in most of these countries

>>74500167
you wont be eligble to free healthcare in most countries unless you've got citizenship or residency
Also you probably have a lot more luck getting a decent job in America than any of those countries if you've only got a high school education

It's actually really hard to move to EU in general unless you're a refugee. Unless you have a job here waiting, not gonna happen

>>74500229
Scrubbing toilets is better than living in shitmerica

>>74500442

OP here

this post wasn't me

Maybe Scandinavians needs waiters/janitors/dishwashers?

>>74500399
>you wont be eligble to free healthcare in most countries unless you've got citizenship or residency

wrong

>>74500039
I'm 20 with high school, what degree to get jerb

>>74500039
come home white man

>>74500442
Closest thing to USA would be UK or Sweden.

I'm in the same boat OP. I don't want to leave though. I want things to be better. Still can't believe that healthcare care actually went through. Trump was supposed to be our guy

>>74500693
I'm 36 and back in school (all I did was drink the first time) and I'm doing computer science so I can live the good life here on the west coast, or literally anywhere else in the world I could want to live. Have you considered the same? Programming isn't for everyone but so far I think it's actually quite fun.

>>74500834
Sweden is more like America than Australia or Canada? I think I'd love Sweden but I doubt that this is right.

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>>74500834
>or Sweden
Most Americans wouldn't make it a fucking year here

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>>74500970
I wouldn't live USA

>>74501044
Leave*

>>74500039
Just throw away your passport and pay some smuggler to ship you to sweden, where you just say that you are a 19 year old surgeon.

>>74500970
Sweden is great if you live in a small town. Large cities are cancer, but recently nignogs have been starting to spread smaller towns

>>74501022
Why is that, dubslord?

>>74501117
Social life here is drastically different from the one in the US. It's not a meme that we don't small talk or do stuff like that, we simply don't. People from "social" countries generally find us to be very reserved and cold.

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>>74500039
A high school diploma isn't gunna get you far.

You can get that under-30 working visa in some of those countries (including aus). Maybe do that, find an employer that really likes you, and maybe they'll sponsor you long enough for you to become a permanent resident?

A big gamble with a lot of uncertainties in that plan though.

>>74501212
I live in Seattle where people are like that already. In fact Scandinavia sounds like Seattle in a lot of ways to me. A normie from the south would probably hate out there though, yeah.

>>74501096
They are, but they leave immediately.

I am sure you were able to learn google things.
Why don't you try it since different countries have different requirements?

>>74501362
Not that guy but you will go nuts living here. Sweden is for swedish people, people go nuts if they come here.

>>74500039
>high school diploma
You're not going anywhere. Closest thing is a working holiday visa in Aus or NZ but that's only good for a year.

>>74501444
Nice trips but that sounds suspiciously like "fuck off, we're full" to me.

>>74501362
ah, the seattle freeze

>>74501551
It's true tho. Americans are notorious for becoming depressed after living here for a while

>>74501599
People here are generally pretty nice but very introverted. I think it's partly the gloomy weather and partly that it's a bunch of tech autists flooding the place lately. But truly if you can break the ice, it's mostly nice folks here.

>>74500693
W
Everything is pennies with h1b only readies are free

>>74501643
I maintain that I think I'd be fine but I guess I'll never know unless I end up moving there and finding out for myself. Which I have no present plans to do, but I wouldn't mind.

>>74501687
yeah, when i visited seattle like year and half ago everyone was nice and pleasant to me. even the cat bookstore dude was nice

>>74501643
Doesn't help that Scandinavians are pretty weird. Kinda stoic and solitary uunnntill there's alcohol involved.

>>74500834
>UK
lolno

>>74500039
immigrating to europe is pretty hard, same for them coming here from what i understand. you're not going to get a residency permit if you're unskilled. you could get a study permit and go to university there, but you are expected to return to your home country after your studies are over and your time spent in country on a study permit doesn't count towards the time required for a proper residency/permanent residency permit.

i guess you could just fly there on a tourist visa, make border runs to renew it every 3 months, and then try to find some shitty under the table work and leverage that into a proper job. i don't know if that works for whiteys though.

>>74501424
You think it's possible to get 20 million calories/20,000 pounds/60,000 potataoes per arable acre?

>>74500039

If you don't have at least a STEM degree then don't even fucking bother.

>>74500039
You would not be qualified to stay here, Australia will probably say the same because their immigration laws are even stricter than ours.

>>74502027
How is London sultanate?

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>>74501884
You swedes are weird even without alcohol

>>74502095
are danes the most normie out of the nordics?

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>>74501913
>immigrating to europe is pretty hard

Not true you just need citizenship, I have a cousin that worked for a year in Germany in an ice-cream store without any knowledge about the language

>>74502052
Shit as always, I avoid going there.

>>74502095
Why is Denmark so normie when the rest of us aren't? Is it because you don't have a lot of wilderness? We love the idea of having some cottage in the middle of nowhere to retreat to.

>>74501914
1910tech supports 6 people per acre with potatoes, this supports 11.4 billion people in the USA using 11.9 billion acres for potato production or similar crop with 90 bushels per acre

Get your postsecondary in something useful, then we'll talk.

You can do it here if you like. College prices are often double for foreign students and still cheaper than US domestic prices.

Personally suggest E-security programming or one of the actually employable trades. You can start your skills online.

If you do, you said healthcare was your major concern so stay the fuck away from major cities and stick to midsize towns for good service without wait times.

>>74500039
None, go to uni

>>74502342
This is 38x current USA population.

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>>74502198
>>74502264
we leave our children alone outside stores and cafés, we aren't that normie

>>74502342
>how to destroy your soil

>>74502569
forced socialization when young. is that the secret to being a normie then?

>>74502627
Growing potatoes?
Crop yields have increased dramatically in time not decreased

>>74502346

>make college too expensive for your to get a degree
>all foreign countries require a college degree to grant you immigration
>can't leave unless you're rich enough to go to college in the first place

america really is a fucking literal prison

>>74502681
Work out and get a haircut, then you'll be a normie

>>74502697
Yeah man but MUH FREEDUMS amirite? XD

>>74502755
Not quite. If you come from here and do that, there's at best a 30/70 chance of becoming a normie. But most that try become failed normies.

>>74502842
What are you even talking about? Nords are fucking turbo-normies.

>highschool diploma
>23
Good luck haha

>>74502842
We may not notice it but most people in our countries are naturally good looking so if they actually cared a bit about their appearance, they'd become something in life. Not sure about America but it doesn't hurt to try

>>74502899
Maybe I didn't get the memo then? I'm a 25 yo kissless virgin neet still living with my parents.

>>74502935
Eh, they have those in every country, including the allegedly outgoing US.

>>74502693
Average corn yield per acre currently is 190 more than double 1910, so around 22 billion population in just USA with just using the 1.9 billion acres for a 190 bushel crop

>>74503173
Rice can also yield 190 bushels per acre

>>74502935
are you a qt though?

>>74503089

me on the left

>>74503422
so the before picture?

>>74503248
Assuming 190 bushel per acre earth can feed with rice 172billion people.

>>74503365
I'm an average-looking dude albeit quite short. Sadly not a homosexual though. I say sadly because there's literally no way in hell I'll ever manage to attract a non-land whale female. Men are much easier.

>>74503451
190 per arable acre of 15.4 billion arable acres*

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>>74500039
>white american

>>74500039
>just a high school diploma

it'll be difficult moving to a lot of places on your map

>>74503510
Learn to love land whales then. They're fun. You can trust me on this because I'm American and I know these things.

>>74503510
>Sadly not a homosexual though.
yeah right

>>74503644
I have no interest in forcing myself into a relationship with someone whom I'm not attracted to.

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>high school diploma

this is a bait thread

>>74503701
>relationship
Just how much of a normie are you trying to be, Sven? I never said anything about relationships.

>>74503694
Sorry, pekka.

>>74503763
Well that's what I crave, sex is merely a bonus. I'm an introvert and perfectly content with being alone for long swaths of time, just not ALL the time.

>>74503830
That's pretty gay.

>>74503510
guys are harder and more picky t.bh

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not OP but i want to hijack his thread

I am a 25 year old licensed electrician that can speak english and spanish fluently. would i be welcome in your cunt?

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>>74503644
>Learn to love land whales then.

>>74504018
Yes but you would need to get certified for our electrical systems.

>>74504044
I'm sure you've fucked a fat slag or two, Nigel. It's a good time. You can admit it.

>>74503982
I guess.
>>74504015
Relationships perhaps but certainly not ons.

>>74503735
Some people drop out due to personal reasons, overestimating their intellectual abilities or stupidity.

>>74504018
>spanish

we voted brexit so anything european is now banned

>>74504116
relationships more so. hooks less so but still v picky

>>74504117
How do you even drop out of American high school? It's easy as fuck

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>tfw moved to the UK from the US on my mother's marriit endisa and am now a perm res

>>74504115
Only once and never again, her twat smelled like onions.

>>74504260
>marriage visa

>>74504275
I'm an expert on fat chicks and their twats don't normally smell like onions. Sounds like she had something else going on tbqh. I don't know what.

>>74500039
Where were your grandparents born

>>74500039

England would be an easy place for you to find a job and live.

That being said, England is a shithole that's going down the drain and our healthcare system will be fully privatised in 10 years and you'll need insurance in 15.

>>74504499
Oh fucking hell, don't try to encourage him to go full "muh heritage" in here.

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>>74502697
>>74502765
Sounds like both of you just suck. If you fail in any first world nation what makes you think moving to a european country that you'll automatically succeed. Start a Kickstarter I'd happily donate to getting you out of here.
>Education is expensive
Boohoo start at a CC
>Healthcoverage sucks
Not much to debate here this is true.
>I don't have any money
Get a job and work as hard as you can.

Do something with your life instead of shitposting on the internet.

>>74504596
Without qualifications or family here he is not getting in.

>>74500039
They let anyone in here in Italy, but you wouldn't find any jobs without knowing the language or having an Italian degree

>>74504257
I assumed he has high school diploma and droped out college

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>>74504618
>Do something with your life instead of shitposting on the internet

>>74500167
Go to Massachusetts. Cheapest care with nearly universal coverage (99%).

>>74500039
probably new zealand, they are having a big immigration push in the last couple of years

without a degree or high skilled trade you're gonna have a hard time moving here

>>74502697
College is free now in NY state you dolt

>>74504718
He's right this thread seems like bait.

>>74504895
>probably new zealand, they are having a big immigration push in the last couple of years
Wait, really? I thought NZ was hard to move to. South Island especially seems comfy as fuck.

>>74500039
Go to Germany and study at University for free. There are degree programs taught in English that are specifically for foreigners. You can try to find part-time or under the table work to support yourself.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678

>>74505039
They're having a big immigration push relative to their population, still in absolute numbers it isn't actually that high. New zealand have one of the highest net migration rates in the world at the minute

You'd get laid every day in Sweden (stockholm that is) for merely being American.
As long as you aren't stereotypical annoying fake happy kys american, then fuck you.

>>74505039
Loser crack open a book and learn something in technology like programming. Millions of Pajeets and Chengs live in absolute shitholes and try their hardest to learn. While you post on 4chan about leaving the states for somewhere else. Learn a valuable skill if you really want to leave because a high school diploma in any first world nation carries no weight.

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>>74505178
What true purpose does that hold?
I don't want to breed swedes, that's degenerate I am Iberia

>>74500167
If you are a socialist dont come here. We dont want you.

>>74500399
We have a mandatory insurance. It costs like 70 euros a month if you take a cheap one. And you can get government subsidisation if your poor.

It covers all medical expenses that the doctor sees fit. You only have to pay the first 380 euros a year.
The price differences are only about extras, like large dentist costs, glasses, single rooms etc.

>>74505181
I'm not OP you stupid cunt. I actually AM in school for CS though.

>go to country
>install dating app
>find retarded lonely gf
>get engaged in two months
>stay forever
why is everything always so hard for you autists?

>>74505235
Well YOU wouldn't want him. Most of Sweden would welcome him with open arms. Stay buttmad.

>>74500167
Can't just get Medicaid?

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>>74505227
True purpose comes from generation not degeneration that is the degeneracy of premarital and extramarital.

>>74505382
Because getting married means a lot of extra baggage, you are stuck with her for a a few years at least.

>>74500039
best you can do is sneak into Canada before they build their Wall....

>>74505445
it's either that or you're stuck in a country you hate indefinitely.

>>74505364
Oppsie still op is a loser

>>74500039
>moving to another country so you can be a burden on their society instead
I applaud your patriotism

>>74500167

the healthcare situation is going to improve in the next two years as a direct consequence of what is occuring now. If you're experiencing pain related to health insurance and related topics at the moment, this is due to Obamacare and not otherwise.

I'm older than most of you. The initial Obamacare rollout is the single worst domestic policy fuckup that I have ever seen in my own (slightly less) short life.

Either hang in there or give Canada a go.

>>74505406
Shut up you berniebro retard. Noone enjoys no guns no free speech, mass immigration and 95% income tax. +5% extra in assorted taxes.

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>>74505421
Degeneracy is fake and not true like fairy tale book.

>>74505556
Well to be fair, your country seems to.

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>>74500039
What about someone with a Computer Science degree?
Is it hard to get work permits in other countries and do they ever turn into residency?

>>74505556

Not him but the Swedish people themselves prove otherwise, he's quite right you know.

Just because you're a little more self-aware doesn't mean that your countrymen aren't mostly asleep. You of all people should know this.

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>>74505604
Generating more swedes is good for swedes, generating more iberians is good for iberians, generating less of both is worse for everyone and degenerate.

>>74505657
If you have a skill like programming you can basically live anywhere given you have experience in that field.

>>74505657
why would somebody wit a Computer Science Degree would want to leave to land of Apple, Google and Microsoft?

>>74505657
We have a large IT industry. Maybe the largest in Europe. And there is a shortage of people here.

If an employer can show he has a vacancy for three months open, in a field with a shortage, then he can hire anyone from abroad.
And if you live further than 150 km from the Dutch boarder, then you don't have to pay taxes over 30%of your income for up to 8 years.

But both you and the employer have to sign the requests for both of those things.

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>>74505722

>>74505781
*lived
*border

OP can always get a working holiday visa.
The UK, Canada and Australia have them.
Basically you save up something like 3000 dollars, apply for it and bam. You are entitled to live, travel and work in those countries until the visa runs out,

>>74502232
Germans have gr8 job market

>>74505757
I think it would be fun to work in another country, also I like the cold. My internship was in California a few years ago and it it's not the kind of place I'd like to live.

My last name is swedish and my grandpa even has a sauna. Can I get citizenship?

>>74500039
>23 years old
>high school diploma
>probably doesn't have any connections in Norway
>doesn't have a job to go to if immigrating

Good fucking luck I say.
Norway is notoriously hard to be allowed to stay in, just ask any polish or any other eastern european working here.

They often work for 9 months but then have to leave the country for a few months before being allowed to return for work(something something about being entitled extra rights after staying 12 months).

Only those that have specific job waiting for them, or those that apply for asylum has a real chance to stay, and even that gets more restricted.

>>74505781
You need to stay 5 years in the Netherlands to be able to become Dutch.
But due to our right wing policies you (normally) have to ditch your American passport.

Our right wing doesn't believe someone can be loyal to two countries.

Canada because it's closer and you can take advantage of free movement, etc.
Also if you come over here to work at more than fruit picking and stay for more than a couple of years you need at least a trade certificate.
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/mltssl

>>74500633
actually correct.
Only specific groups are entitled free health care if your not a citizen.
Asylum seekers, those that have a work contract whos job is in Norway, and students studying in Norway.
anyone else need health insurance.

Haven't you ever wondered why you need health insurance when traveling to other european countries?

>>74506072
>Our right wing doesn't believe someone can be loyal to two countries.
They'd be correct.

>>74500587
No, Sweden has already sent more than enough to fill those positions here in Norway

>>74506184
Only Turks and Moroccans have a double nationality here, because their governments force their nationality on Europeans with their heritage.

So Wilders wants to strip them of the Dutch nationality instead.

>>74502264
The Danish are infested by those pesky continentals.

>>74503510
if you can't get the lean pussy you can't turn around and reach the boipucci.

>>74506217
Kan jag skala din banan, jan?

>>74506072
They're right, but it is a bad move.
Once you force your nationality on them and strip of their original one, you can't just send them back and strip them of your nationality once you find out they're pieces of shits

>>74506253
Extremely based.

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>>74505722
conquistame papi

>>74505039
it is

>>74506485
Ja, hent meg en ol når du forst er i gang

>>74506491
You should select people at the door. Not behind the door.

>>74506538
Can I come once I finish my computer science degree?