>Has a degree from non-American university >Into the trash

>>74375687
>europoors will defend this by claiming its """free"""

ah yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZeDq90Ar4k

>>74375687
Britain has some good ones.

>falling for the university scam

>rankings calculated by anglo statisticians with factors that favour anglo unis, for example research and research funding which are handled by separate institutes elsewhere
Into the trash it goes.

>Doctor Shlomo Shekelberg's list of prestigeous liberal brainwashing camps

>>74375687
how the fuck does the ranking even work? because pretty much every european and asian uni (shit even aus and nz) are more demanding and challenging than the top US unis.

>>74375687
You're aware this list says nothing about the level of education, and is also highly biased towards english universities right?

>>74376695
They heavily look at research output.

In a lot of countries research isn't done primarily in universities.

>>74376695
I bet most important are number of publications in English.

>>74375687
>falling for the university meme
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>>74376429
>its
you obviously didn't come from any of those universities.

>>74376695
They have a shitton of money that they use to bring foreign professors, students and graduates to investigate for them. Iirc some californian university donated some millions to Obama.

>>74375687
>American colleges
>Shit education
>Liberal brainwashing mashine producing hipster trash
>pay to be number 1 in all rankings
iterally niggers of education

>>74376695
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities

>Live in Helsinki
>be decent student
>whatever Ill study some humanistic subject at uni
>read hard and get in
>the faculty I study at happens to be like 23rd best in the world for that subject
>feels good man

>>74376671
this is actually good imo

>>74375687
US undergraduate degrees don't even cover the first two years of the average 4 year undergraduate degree here

>>74375687
Nah m8, in many fields you have to prove your value by not only a degree, but academic papers and research. Hell, I'm an American and I'm here to do my masters and learn German. So, on top of getting a free degree I'll get to add another language to my CV. The international experience itself is also valuable.
Am I worried about an employer or PhD admissions docking me a few points for having studied here rather than in a top American university? Not at all, because even if they do (which they really won't) I'll have made up for it with the other things I've gained by having studied here.

>>74377752
Besides that, the small pile of elite unis in the US don't speak for the great mass of garbage state colleges that most people attend.

>>74376695
When you write the list, why not put yourself at the top?

>>74377872
>>74377872
I am studying at US university online and planing on doing masters in Germany. Any tips?
Also whats your masters?

>>74377942
Pffff, I flunked university. Doing an apprenticeship now. Far more enjoyable.

>>74376671
We encourage this type of outside of the box thinking. It's what creates innovation

>>74378122
In the Netherlands you only get let into university if you followed the 6 years of preparatory education, which only 15% to 20% of the kids is intellectually capable of doing.

>>74378122
>repeating SJW a hundred times creates innovation
>and qualifies you to attend a highly sought after university
What a fucking joke.

>>74377872
Very much this.
Plus, there are many schools which rank quite lowly but have an amazing faculty.
>>74377942
Beyond tailoring your admissions essay to each university you apply to (look up the work of the main professors of the program, the culture of the uni, etc), not really. It may help to start learning German beforehand and to note that, but I'm not sure.
I'm studying economics.
mastersportal.eu
That website is a pretty good starting point for finding programs, it also help to make an account on uni assist (an application system that many unis use in Germany) and search there too. You'll be able to find many more english speaking programs in the business/econ/management fields.

>>74378267
If you actually read past the headline this kid's resume was so stacked that he was getting in no matter what he wrote for the essay.

>>74378238
So no oppurtunity? Nice shit hole you got there

>5 of the top 16 universities in the entire world is located in the state of California

really makes you think

>>74377942
>>74378402
Ah, just came to me. It would likely help you to write a bachelors thesis paper. They don't have those in the American system, so you'd need to either do it on your own or if you could, start talking with a professor who might guide you through it. I'm not sure how much contact you have as you're studying online, but if you can show your ability to do research it will help you greatly. Doing it on your own volition will make it look all the more impressive too.

>>74378504
They believe its a waste of time to let dumb people do complicated things.

The top 20% gets a scientific education thats all about theory. Chemistry, math, history, finance. Etc
The 20% below that get engineering, architecture, IT and management jobs.
And the 60% below that a practical education. Like repairing cars and nursing.

>>74378696
Are history and finance considered to be harder than engineering in the Netherlands?

>>74378696
>trying to validate a caste system
Nice shit hole mate

>>74378789
History, when done properly, is a rigorous field that requires large knowledge of many other fields like economics, political science, philosophy, sociology, psychology, etc.
Finance, being such a potentially profitable field, will always attract many of the brightest minds.

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>>74375687
No thanks, I do not want to be brainwashed.

>>74376470
What is going on here?

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>>74378904
You, too, have a caste system, which is taboo to mention.

>glorified high school that is US "high" education

>>74378945
True and engineering requires the understanding of all STEM branches.

>>74378789
No. But it requires critical thinking.

>>74378789
Finance is considered one of the most difficult studies.

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>working for Jews is difficult

>>74379789
Here in Belgium engineering (5 years) is considered to be in the top 3 of hardest studies, with finances being "you're not retared but it's really not that difficult"-tier
But i heard it's far less theoretical in the Netherlands so that might explain it

>>74375687
Now OP needs to prove us that he has graduated from an University.

>>74375687
My uni (UGent) is on place 65 of the Shanghai ranking and I pay 850 euros for one year...

In my situation I would only put 20k on the table if it's a top 25 uni. Otherwise it's not worth it

>>74380177
Nobody actually studies technical studies here.
While there are countless of fields of economics with immense popularity.

They are even considering to make engineering studies free so people go study it.

Your normal American high school degree doesn't even entitle you to go to a German university at all. You have to have a certain combination of courses to have it even recognized as valid for the German tertiary education system.

>>74379131
>study at a university in the center of Amsterdam
>all classes are entirely white
Really noggles your boggles.

>>74376695
Rich people go to Harvard.
Rich people are also the ones who have the resources and connections that allow them to succeed.

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>>74378696
>top 40% capable of heavy intellectual jobs
>second 20% 104-113 iq doing engineering
You're pretty optimistic.

>>74381824
No, those are the real statistics.

But you have to keep in mind everyone gets prepared for their tertiary education since they are 11 or 12 or so.
Middle/high school kids can choose between four packages of subjects.
Culture + society.
Economics + society.
Nature + health
Nature + technology

So the people who go do an engineering study after high school already had years of education in similar subjects.

>>74382286
The biggest downside of our system is that very early on your path is already laid out for you.

>>74375687
mfw my school is on that list

>>74382378
which one is yours?

>employers give a fuck where you got your diploma
lmao

I have a friend who's dumb as fuck that got into Harvard because he helped kids in Africa. Ivy league is nothing but a meme, if regards like him can get into those schools they can't be worth much.

>>74379789
this. i took some finance classes and the finance and econometrics focus in the econ dpt is T10. the nontraditional courses were fun and learn a lot through playing economic games, but hte purists ones prob the most difficult thing i ever had to learn. and ones where have to apply/use STATA, produced a lot of tears. there's a reason why they get paid as much as they do

>>74382435
one of the californian ones for grad school

>>74375687
>american education
>costs fantastic amount of money
>calls themselves as "1st"
>still have to import a lot of people from shitholes who better than local

>>74383380
American workers (and doctors) are expensive because becoming one costs an arm and a leg. And when they are ready to work they can be in quite some debt that they have to repay.

If someone trains a pajeet for a fraction of the money in India. Then you can just hire three pajeets and let one expensive American oversee them.
Knowing from experience this doesn't really work in practise, because pajeets truly get third world varients of regular degrees, but it sounds good on paper.

I think American companies would do better if they would just hire cheap west europeans to do their work under American management. But that doesn't have the same ring to it as hiring Chinese or Indians.

Is it hard to get into top tier British schools like LSE and King's College?

>>74386440
Yes, try looking at their expected entry grades compared to Oxbridge, Red Brick and Russell Group unis as an idea of difficulty.

>>74386822
Can I get in if I ace my master's with an average of 16/20?

I'm dumb as fuck. I only have two short essays/term papers and master's thesis to write but it all feels too hard.

>>74375687
Considering how pathetic the level of education is in the world nowadays i don't this is anything to boast about.

>>74386988
you can do it. youre a finn

>>74375687
>Have a degree of Russian university
>Even worse, this meme university is from a shithole
How can I live with this? What to do?

>>74388024
move to the city. get a job. profit

>>74376470
What the hell I'm watching?

>>74388721
why would you even want to considering opening a link that's posted by a leaf

>>74388721
An American debate contest.

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>>74375687
Those rankings are based on funding not student outcomes.

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>>74376470
>>74379061
>>74388721

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

>>74376470
huh?

>>74389240
Meanwhile in the Dutch parliament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd3o7_odvms

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>>74389240
I swear to God the Walloons drag us down in every ranking with their shitty socialist mentality. If it were Flanders only we would be on par with the NL

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>>74389182

>>74389423
I'm impressed.

>>74376695
Its based off of quality of education (based off of how many alumni go get nobel prizes) quality of staff (based off how much staff has nobel prizes and how highly cited they are, this is the part that favors english-speaking universities but is only 20% of total score) research output (40% of score this is why there are so many American public unis that aren't very good otherwise high up) and then a quotient of the other scores and total faculty to weed out unis that have very high scores in the other categories due to 1 or 2 extremely high preforming faculty.

Its a better measure for grad school really.

>non-american unis are more demanding and challenging!!!!
This is horseshit otherwise the average foreign student would consistently be at the top of our classes, as if they would do average at allegedly more demanding and challenging unis then they should absolutely destroy the american ones, but they just don't, and americans would on average be at the bottom of everybody else's classes, which they aren't
>b-but muh anecdotal evidence that is probably made up
I can probably make up an even better shitpost made up anecdote and find actual real articles of foreign students committing suicide at MIT and Harvard due to stress and workload, so save everyone the trouble by providing real data that shows I am wrong instead of shitposting.

>>74389523
He's the ultimate fedora tipper. Who wants the lead the Netherlands to leave the EU and lead us in a new cultural renaissance. He's new in parliament since last month.

His room in the parliament now has a piano so he can play some piano while thinking.

>>74389520
>White
There's your problem.
My stats include groid and hispanic christians.

>>74389631
I know they put a lot off foreigners in remedial classes.

>>74389508
Well I mean you are dutch if not for wallonia and Brussels so

>>74389662
>His room in the parliament now has a piano so he can play some piano while thinking.
Based.

>>74375687
American universities are full of dumb niggers because of your cuck quotas and full of dumb SJW.
You need to be a retard to hire someone from a american Uni.

>>74389689
*of

>>74389631
>Its based off of quality of education

Look up the formulas for these rankings. It's based on funding. I went to the top ranked Canadian university and the "quality of education" was garbage. Some first year classes had 1000 students per professor.

>>74389662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDo4MbKB8k

>>74389631
mfw theres a history of suicide at both my undergrad and grad. always the same spot.

and you're right. it's all about research output in uni's. number of citations and h-impact are always monitored amongst peers... i know that you have 3-4 years in order to publish a peer-reviewed academic book in order to be under review for a tenure track at a UC. if you fail this, then you're pretty much shoved out the door in a very passive aggressive way which sucks cause it takes a whole damn lot just to get a starting position at a UC... happened to one of the prof in my dpt cause he wasn't doing enough research

>>74390026
>number of citations and h-impact are always monitored amongst peers
Which doesn't induce quality research or discourages long term studies.

>>74389813
He's pretty boss. If Wilders fails he will pick up the pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfRhAlUQAMQ

>>74389803
Why would you fucking post if you didn't even read the methodology yourself, or absolutely anything beyond what you quoted. I was literally typing off of the page where they list their methodology you dumb fuck leaf

Jesus Christ why do canadians have to have laser guided autism the second anything american is brought up

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU-Methodology-2016.html
Even so it is mostly based off of how good the uni's faculty is rather than money, as 80% of the weight is based off of the quality of the faculty, with the other 20% being highly influenced by it.

>>74389813
>>74390121
Good videos.

>>74389737
See, now you've opened yourself to a reply like

Portuguese universities are full of dumb niggers because they get no foreign students.

Don't give them the knife and the cheese.

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What's a good European country that would be accepting of an American scientist permanently immigrating there(Learning the language and customs)?

Looking for:
1. Good education and universities
2. Plenty of research opportunities

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>>74390157
>Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals
Is not related to quality of education and definitely not current quality of education.

>Papers published in Nature and Science
This has a bias against mathematical or engineering research which gets published in specialised journals.

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>>74375687
Again?

>>74390095
actually no. go talk to a prof on campus and ask them how important citations are. sure you can put out research, but if you research has ever lasting effect, it would be used by other scholars and thats where you get that citation and higher impact scores. of couse there's niche fields that doesnt have many studying the topic, but those profs are still respected. just go to google scholar and see how many citations and impact the leading profs in your field are and compare that to someone from somewhere else

most of hte research in academic journals are actually a series of articles that the prof would write that bounce of previous work, so it actually is a long term study. it's their research interest. people in the field knows each other really well

>>74390354
Financially it's a bad idea to go anywhere but the UK.
But I'm pretty sure you'd be welcome in any country.

>>74390449
>doesn't address any of my arguements
>claims I am defending the validity of the ranking when all I did was list it
Fucking leafs

McGill is better than Toronto I don't reallt know why its lower than it. Thoughts?

>>74390560
>actually no.
Some citation scores not only account for the number of citations but also for the number of publications. So if you have 2 papers and one has a lot of citations while the other has one or two your score will be low. You can also game the scores.

>most of hte research in academic journals are actually a series of articles that the prof would write that bounce of previous work
I'm talking about an experiment or a study that takes a long time. For example, in medicine if you're looking for long term outcomes.

>>74390620
How did you address what I said? You begin by claiming the scores are based on quality of education. They're not.

In America, they have students graduate from high school, and then have them take an extra year of general classes at college, which is supposed to educate them about things like democracy and history? In Europe, that's literally what high school is for.

If you graduate from high school and then pay 10,000 USD to learn what you should have learnt at high school, you are literally being scammed and your education system is a joke.

>>74390817
I was repeating almost verbatum what the methodology said. They claim that they base the quality of education off of how many alumni are nobel prize winners. Thats frankly a shitty way of measuring it, but I was telling the Aussie what the ranking claimed to rank on. A better measure would be undergrad and grad success after college in terms of % successfuly getting a job, getting into grad school (possibly with a factor to account for quality of grad school attended), median wage achieved, fellowships aquired, something for research. I think ARWU is better than most global rankings as its mostly not money (i believe 20% of the score can be directly boosted by money), although rankings aren't very good in the first place.

>>74391091
>A better measure would be undergrad and grad success after college in terms of % successfuly getting a job, getting into grad school (possibly with a factor to account for quality of grad school attended), median wage achieved, fellowships aquired, something for research.

Yeah that sounds like a better method.

>>74390724
its a matrix used to score the impact such as quality of academic journal where paper gets published etc. you dont get away with just putting out paper. if that's the case someone writing 20 crap paper would get 20 h-impact, which translate to a very very respected scholar depending on the field. this isn't true. and if you go by just citation number, 20 is nothing in the grand scheme of things. academia is a brutal field to be in. people trash each other's work all the time, so if you put a crap thing out, your reputation would be damaged

>2 papers and one has a lot of citations while the other has one or two your score will be low
not really. your research will permeate throughout the field. it wouldnt be low. theres many other factors at play. and if you can game the scores, then well a lot wouldve done so and be at a top notch uni then. but go look up top grad programs. look at the full prof there and see their scores vs someone at a bad uni and see if they even come close

>experiment or a study that takes a long time
most research takes a very long time. medicine, as well as social science etc. you are underestimating the length of time it takes to write a research paper and many juggle more than one at a time. and if you are doing data collection, its even longer

Sometimes when exchange students come back from other countries like Italy they say that you learn very little there.
But such things are hard to measure without testing students from different countries with the same tests.

There are also Dutch professors who teach both at Cambridge and in Amsterdam. But it's not that they teach something different at a public university here than they teach students there. Although Cambridge facilitates the learning process a lot better. Here you get send home after 2 hours of college and are expected to show up again a few days later.

>>74375687
Brits founded half your universitys mate

>>74391215
Note the number of co-authors in modern articles. People tend to attach their name to work they had little to do with. Post-docs do most of the work and their supervisors sign off on their work. I've been there.

>>74391028
We learn that in high school, its just that many popular colleges highly value a liberal arts education so that the students can intelligently be able to discuss all subjects rather than just our major.

>>74391477
and so? co-authorship is not rare in academia. that's research. someone who want an expert opinion running STATA would as someone to do it to make sure its the best work. prof meet and brainstorm together all the time. they do a portion of the work so they get credit for it too. what's wrong with that? if they want to do it by themselves, then they can. if you're really a grad then you should know how academia works.

>>74391028

It's two years of general education actually. The actual meet of university starts in the 3rd year when they get to "upper division" courses.

>>74391740
I hope your joking.

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The three best universities in the world are without doubt, in that order:
The Moscow State University
The Peking University
The École Normale Supérieure
Well, they are in every mathematical fields anyway. Which is all that matters.

>>74375687
>American Education

>>74391936
its kinda partially true. i finished my general ed in my first year. around half of it fit into major, so you really can pick and choose things that fits into your study. and even the lower div classes are a lot different from your HS course. i took AP enviro science in HS and college version of that is a lot more detailed. you can take upper div classes as part of your GE too, so you can avoid all the easy courses if you want

>>74391537
gotta get that phi beta kappa

>>74392201

I felt my AP English classes in high school were harder than my English 101 and 102 classes. AP English was all about intensely analyzing literature, while English in college was literally just basic how to write a paper, it honestly felt like a step back.

How do you take the upper division courses if they require you to take the lower division prerequisites?

>>74378122
>repeating a slogan you've seen on tv/the internet creates innovation
This is exactly why people don't take American universities seriously

>>74381824
a SAT score of 1269 corresponds to a supposed "average IQ" of 133? but 1270 is a US national percentile of 88

are you telling me the USA has an average IQ of ~115?

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And now for the actually relevant ranking

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>>74389712
Indeed. Voting for him was the right thing to do.

>>74393670
>two of the four categories are 'international students' and 'female to male ratio'
Meme tier list.

>>74393670
And for anyone curious
The US has 43, the UK has 10, Germany has 6, the Netherlands have 5, Japan has 5, China has 5, France has 5, Australia has 3, Hong Kong has 3, Canada has 3, Russia has 3, Switzerland has 2, Singapore has 2, South Korea has 2, Sweden has 2, Belgium has 1, Taiwan has 1, and Brazil has 1.

>>74393950
Those aren't part of the methodology

>>74392956
the only AP i thought was harder in HS was my AP calculus class. got a 5 on the exam so was placed in higher course and even then i thought the college course was butt easy cause it was all number crunching rather than word problems/applied mathematics. i think it just means you had a really good AP teacher then

i took a writing sequence rather than english. its two different thing at my school. if you were a humanities major you have to that the english core sequence for 3 quarters which was 1 bk a week and a paper a week or biweekly analyzing the theme and writing. traditional english course

if you were any other, you can opt to do the writing seqeunce which is analytical writing like you said. its two different thing. writing courses is pretty much weekly or biweekly papers analyzing different subject; goal was to get you to learn to analyze rhetoric, strategize paper, and learn research methodologies. its a year of that and an upper div writing course (i was in the honors program so my upper div was my honors thesis). this is the traditional research route

>How do you take the upper division courses if they require you to take the lower division prerequisites?
if you plan your classes, you could take upper div class. i was in a program where i had to take classes before my first year even started, and it was an upper div phsy course with two superstar profs teaching. so pretty just out of HS taking upper div course... but for others you can take it if you want. like if you take the year intro of subject A, you can take upper div course in that since you have the fundametnals of hte subject. its usually frown upon by the admin cause they want you to do the GE first and not get stressed out with the advance courses competing alongside seniors and juniors thats why

>>74391705
>and so? co-authorship is not rare in academia. that's research.
Huh? It's dishonest and an example of how people game the citation obsession.

> if you're really a grad then you should know how academia works.
Yes, it's shit.

>>74376577
kraut damage control

>>74396168
people do part of the research and get credit for it. they were a part of the research, if they didn't do the majority then their name goes at the end. if you dont include them then its plagurism. not your idea, or a potion thats not your work.

>>74391983
>russian education
russkie shill detected

>>74391936
probably baiting

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>>74393670
This is the one that ranks based partially on funding. These rankings tell you which university pays faculty highest salaries and how expensive the research is. It's not relevant for students or young researchers.

>>74396207
>people do part of the research and get credit for it.
I've met groups of researchers who alternate between writing papers but they all sign their names. Also I've had ideas literally stolen from me.

>>74396397
>alternate between writing papers but they all sign their names
you dont have to do the writing to be a part of the group like i said. you could do the data collection and thats your main task in the project, or one can run the data analysis and that there part, and then other can utilize it and integrate theory into it. its a divy up of responsibilities... they could be part of a group and could be corresponding elsewhere or maybe thats how their group dynamic works

>I've had ideas literally stolen from me
if this is the case you should really bring it up to your dean or even the uni ombudsman office. prof are scared shitless when you bring them in. one of the girl in my program hated one of the adjunct and complained and ended up causing him to go under a discinpinary hearing. he ended up having to apologize in front of all of us lol

>>74396608
>you dont have to do the writing to be a part of the group like i said.
They would do absolutely nothing.

>>74396629
i know some put it down cause it was part of a group discussion and they felt it was a crucial turning point so added their names in. sharing of ideas and shit.... if not even that, then again its prob a group collective kinda thing. they all work in a group and enter all names regardless if they work on it or other. it prob even out in the end, or else there's no point in doing so

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>>74375687
You've got the wrong list there m8. Oxford was top on the last official list.

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>>74396702
>a group discussion
I bet you signed your name on a paper because you raised your voice in a meeting.

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>>74396897
It's the worst ranking.

>Research income from industry
>International diversity
>Income per academic
>Reputational survey (teaching)
>Reputational survey
>Research income
>Public research income/ total research income
>income
>survey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Higher_Education_World_University_Rankings#Criteria_and_weighting

>>74396935
have you sit in an actual discussion with profs? its a bouncing of ideas that goes in depth as shit. most would say thanks as an endnote but some would list. these group meeting happens more than once.

im not endorsing what they do but some do do that.. idk man, you sound really bitter. wait till you actually apply for tenure track position when you finish, its way worse

>>74396897
>Brits desperately trying to convince themselves they're part of the cognitive elite
The ARWU is composed by the Chinese government, not a couple some resentful limeys. It's a much more accurate and less biased ranking that doesn't reward its own own mediocre universities higher places simply because they're located inside the same country

>>74397014
>have you sit in an actual discussion with profs?
Yes. I have papers in journals with co-authors. In one case, one of the co-authors gave incorrect/useless ideas in meetings and did not write a single word but his name is still on the paper.

>>74397052
And yes of course I'm bitter.

Im from Cambridgeshire. If I ever hear that someone goes to Cambridge University I just automatically assume they are an inbred wanker who will do anything they want because daddy is old money, but then again, im just a simple tradesman :^ )

>>74397052
idk then. really shouldnt be adding the name in or anything if thats the case. most i seen is advisor guiding the research process and telling whats up, whats bad, what shouldnt be doing etc. guidance. and sometimes their name get listed. soemtimes its also adding that superstar name in there for more credibility and the top journals would fastrack it thru publication. like there's some journals where if you are applying for a position right out of school, would look so damn good so maybe thats why?

>>74396897
ARWU has some shady valuings but is mostly valid (80%-~89% comes from actual relevant and good measures)

That list is just utter shit. Money based. ARWU is the closest we will get to an unbiased list, the only change I would make would be to the quality of education category and deducting points for %of classes taught in undergrad by TAs

>>74397097
Does it ever bother you that you're at the bottom of your county's bell curve?

>>74397158
>soemtimes its also adding that superstar name in there for more credibility
I think this is awful. It just inflates the "superstar"'s CV and maybe creates the superstar in the first place.

>>74397170
Not particularly, thats the first time I ever thought about it

>>74376470
What the fuck is going on

>>74397240
Not that poster but you do realize thats the idea, right? Schools want to cultivate superstar faculty regardless if they actually have them.

>>74381491
They also manage to give Harvard an endowment larger than the GDP of Bolivia. It's absolutely disgusting.

>>74397240
but really, they don't need that extra +1. they already made a name for themselves and can move easily across uni's. think of it this way, some paper by ANON vs some paper by ANON and SUPERSTAR. it helps the anon more than the superstar prof. the prof actually has more at lost cause his reputation is on the line more so than anon. think of the recent fiasco with the UCLA student and the Columbia prof like three years ago. dude faked all his data and got caught and the columbia prof got dragged down too

>>74376470
>"""""""""""""""""Debate"""""""""""""""""""

>>74397280
this, its not just the research output, but also the placement and the successfulness of the PhD candidates/alumni. that's pretty much one of the first thing you look at when you apply to grad school: where are the alumni now? what uni are they at, are they tenured track, past movement of older graduates, are they in think tanks, are they doing private work.

a school is not just who they are able to get but also who they are sending out

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>>74382541
Like most balkanit*s, your *people* probably buy forged diplomas that are worth less than American/Western European toilet paper

>>74391983
Great ranking, anon from anime imageboard

>>74397646
Your post sounds like unis are only there to make you go into academia, not so you can get a career afterwards

A lot of UK unis pride themselves with the percentage of graduates that are employed

>>74397846
we've been talking about graduate school though, so its kinda true

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>>74397846
They are discussing research in grad school which the vast majority of the time is PhD people aiming for acedemia. Industry people going to grad school for career advancement will almost always get a masters or equivelent.

Many school pride themselves on job placement, notably Northeastern University (which I have a raging bias boner for) and I believe Syracuse.

>>74398490
Wow its almost as if France has a highly standardized curriculum and gives 4 hours for that while the US barely has one, and only gives 15 minutes.

Again if our shit is so amazingly easy then European high schoolers would consistently destroy it but they don't. This picture is taken out of context in that sense, most of the problems are very easy the main difficulty is that you have to do many of them rapidly, which honestly is a bit shit. That is why the SAT is falling out of favor of the ACT, because while the ACT demands you do 60 questions in 60 minutes many require actual critical thinking to some degree.

Tl;dr France and the US have different philosophies in their college exams, for the US the issue isn't gettibg it right but rather getting it right in time to finish.

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>>74398951
If you need more than two minutes per question you have mathematical illiteracy or ADHD and aren't fit for a STEM degree.
>then European high schoolers would consistently destroy it but they don't
Going into debt over 10 years when you can study in your native language for free isn't as tempting as you think it is

>>74375687
>research output
enjoy your trash education

>>74399172
This post is just terrible
>two minutes
I said 60 Q/60 minutes for ACT, and I mistyped for SAT which is 25 minutes/15 MC and 5 short answer. Neither are 2 minutes a question, although the prinary issue is getting the later questions done on time. For the ACT its an increase in difficultly and complexity (requiring you to actually think for some of the last 10 or so) and the SAT its just how time consuming they are, which is just shit.

>debt
I wasn't talking about college, I was referring to the fact that Europeans don't do significantly better than white US students on these tests. I did reference an earlier post talking about how if Non-american unis were so demanding and challenging compared to US unis then the average foreigner would crush US Unis acedemically and Americans would shit the bed elsewhere which doesn't typically happen.

Read the post carefully before rapid fire shitposting. You mock the tests but you clearly would do pretty bad on them if this is how you process things.

>>74380744
Which is ridiculous because American middle schoolers are more qualified than anyone who has Abitur lol.

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>>74399694
>25 minutes/15 MC
See >>74381824 , the best majors score in average 75%.

>Europeans don't do significantly better than white US students on these tests
Citation needed, I jumped to the second most logical meaning because you didn't provide a source.

>the average foreigner would crush US Unis acedemically which doesn't typically happen
1) They do
2) Foreigners in the US aren't representative of the student population of the countries they come from
Pretending everything I say is retarded doesn't make you look more credible

>>74398490
The ACT is meant to be a college placement exam for high schoolers of all levels going to all different kinds of schools, not just for the elite students. Most people who go to a top US school get near perfect scores on the test, missing maybe a few questions total out of the whole test. It's not a fair comparison to make.