>Cyrillic alphabet has iotified vowel letters for 5 of it's

>>74202110
>Й
the vowel is И.

as long as I know about Russian language.
They have an idea of "hard" vocals and "soft" ones and some of them make "hard-soft" pairs.

a(A) - ja(Я)
o(O) - je(E), jo(Ё)
u(У) - ju(Ю)
ɨ(Ы) - i(И)

so they seem to consider /i/ as /ʲɨ/ position of sound.(phonetically not, as you think.)
I don't know about other Slavic languages.

>>74203077
That sounds pretty weird, ɨ and i aren't similar like the other sounds.

Can any Slav/Russian confirm this?

>>74203520
the guy is right

>>74202110
>Does /jɨ/ or /ʲɨ/ not occur in Slavic languages?
The sound combination that was supposed to become /jɨ/ had been turned into /(j)i/ yet in Proto-Slavic, and initial /ū/ got a prosthesis before it (ūdrā > wūdrā > ... > выдpa), making it impossible for /i/ and /ɨ/ to appear in the same position, so today they're rather allophones of a single phoneme rather than something separate.

>>74203520
>That sounds pretty weird,

Do you know what else sounds pretty weird? Spelling system without any vowels.

>>74204863
That's pretty interesting. I always thought of those two sounds as totally separate. I guess I understand now why in Latinized alphabets it's written with Y

>>74204930
delet this

>>74205268
>I guess I understand now why in Latinized alphabets it's written with Y
?

>>74205742
Like in Polish, and English transcriptions of Russian

>>74206659
I know how ы is written in the Latin alphabet. I don't understand what it has to do with those Proto-Slavic sound changes which happened many centuries before the first Slavic language was ever written.

>>74206961
I meant that like how in Romance and Germanic languages Y and I are allophones or homophones, then it makes sense that they would behave the same in Latinized Slavic languages

>>74207300
X Y and Z aren't germanic letters originally. That's why there is this issue that Y is basically the same as I

>>74207300
But Germanic and Slavic Y are two different sounds ([y] and [ɨ]), why should they necessarily behave the same?

In Romance languages and English "y" was originally introduced to write Greek borrowings where it could be pronounced like [y] or [i] depending on one's language knowledge. It has absolutely nothing to do with native Slavic /ы/ being accidentally written as "y".

>>74208848
But ancient Slavic was originally written in Cyrillic script, Latinization came many years after that sound shift, so the letter wasn't picked "accidentally".

>>74209238
>Latinization came many years after that sound shift, so the letter wasn't picked "accidentally".
What could exactly make them think that /ы/ should be written like y except that it was a free letter that could be utilized to write some i-like sound?

Cyrillic was also created after those sound changes happened btw.

>>74210098
Well, И being written with I is pretty obvious, so I take it as granted. I always thought that the choice of writing Ы with y was just a random choice due to Latin not having a 6th vowel letter. Now that you kindly explained to me that those two letters are allophones, that choice is much more logical.