Was there any way for the Byzantines to survive if they

>>73400137
No

>>73400137
This enlarges Turk benis

Turk gonna be rich man!

Yes. Fucking enslave Orban once he walks into Constantinople and force him to build the cannon.

>>73400137
They didn't build a high enough wall

>>73400137
they had to convert to catholicism

If they had 4chan they would have asked this question on the right board?

>>73400137
I fucking hate turks

The Ottomans got buffed in the recent EU4 patch

>>73400551
bestest answer

>>73400551
At the time, this would have been the right board since its pretty much contemporary input from all over the world. Its only a question for /his/ in retrospect. It would be like someone from Syria asking them how to get out right now. Although /k/ might have had some tips.

no, at that point it was too late. read this for a recent exploration of some aspects of this topic

http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1hch7kd

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>>73400137
r8

>>73403135
>>>/gsg/

>>73403135
>Age of Discovery
>1586

>>73403135
I never really play grand strategy games but are those sorts of things really doable without cheating of some sort?

>>73400137
No.
The empire was doomed after the 4th crusade.
The Ottomans just shot a wounded horse.

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>>73403379
Its bugged with custom nation atm. The mod I'm using hasn't been updated yet.

>>73403400
Arguably yes and no. There are people out there who know how to exploit the game pretty hard and could probably do what I've done from The Byzantine start.

That being said I'm cheating my arse off in that particular game.

>>73400137
Had they converted to Catholicism when the Pope asked them to probably they'd survive

>>73403511
The Pope didn't ask them to convert, the """Crusaders""" were under threat of excommunication for that shit.

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>>73403511
you are subhumans like your ancestors

>>73403942
Hey iki

Like my Greece?>>73403135

>>73400137
No, the empire was heavily centralized and largely concentrated in Constantinople
The 4th crusade sacked the city
After that event, the only thing that kept byzantium afloat were literally the theodosian walls, a marvel of engineering.

The ottomans used a foreign engineer that robbed the romans of their last advantage.

>>73403135
...why not Byzantium?

But 2bh I have this love-hate relationship with EU/CK, I'll never be able to get over the border gore

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>>73405388
don't like the colour

>>73404165
do not use this turkish name

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>>73405437
Because you are Greek?

>>73405464
My family name is of ancient Greek origin.

Fuck the empire FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

>>73405484
Oh. Mehmetson sounds a little Turkish though no?

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>>73405420
greece's color is eye rape, the old marble white was great
here let me repost good borders
maybe add alexandria to get more cash
then just spam the development buttons
>>73405388
paracucks gave us a (kinda shitty) way to play tall
But I only play eu4 with meiou & taxes, vanilla is just so mind numbingly boring

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>>73405723
:(

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>>73405723
But yeah its like this atm.

I'm cheating pretty hard. Like lots of points and insane ideas. Nothing too much but stuff like 30% moral and 35% infantry combat ability. That sort of thing. And I've seen people on youtube do way better than I am even though I'm being really aggressive.

Got to 400% overextention and the game just fucked out

>>73405783
>when you dont give a shit about overextension or unrest or autonomy

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>>73405847
>>73405783

>>73405904
idk really what to do. I was just fucking around really. Kinda tempted just to do a world conquest so there's a picture of the whole world being greek so I am greek posters can have it though

idk if you saw here >>73403450
But most of my greek culture provinces are either 30 or 50+ development. imo that's why the peasent revolts are so fucking massive

>>73405981
just use paint if you want a blue europe nigga like wtf is the point

>>73406031
idk? memes?

>>73400137
Nope. The ottoman's used the classic Persian/Russian tactic of "just keep throwing our abundance of men in a straight line and we'll eventually break their formation".

They just needed more spartans

>>73406609
There was no power in the world that could stand against ottoman state.

>>73406609
Ottomans were highly centralized, elite warriors, rulers were chosen by strength on who could kill the other heirs, ruler could have 4 robes and many concubines securing heirs rather easily.

>>73403124
How can i read it? I don't have access to JSTOR. Cursory look at bookzz, lib-gen turns up nothing :(

>>73403407
>>73405303