are you satisfied with gun rights or gun control in your country?

no thx i'd like to finish my education without being shot by some virgin autist

>>73301847
Poor Europeans, when will they learn?

They never got the chance to truly adopt Renaissance ideas.

Never had a school shooting, so I'm pretty happy.

>>73301902
>>73302024

cucks

>>73301847
I can step on someone's lawn without him shooting me so that is cool. I would maybe like to have a gun in my house but honestly I have no idea what I'd do with it. There is literally no crimes where I live and I've never been scared from being outside or home alone.

>>73301902
>>73302024
plebians

>>73301847
No, need relaxed regulations ($200 silencer fee? Foregrip makes it an assault weapon? WTF ATF) coupled with more vigorous mental health screenings. The higher the firepower, the more you should demonstrate that you are mentally stable. You can call me an islamic gommunist if you want, but that's how I feel.

With great power comes great responsibility, and if you want anything more than a bolt-action rifle or shotgun you should require a doctor's note that you are sane. I had to do something similar for my CDL.

I mean, we do that for driver's license, right? Why not AR-15s and handguns?

>>73302156
>where I live
Western European logic in a nutshell.

>>73302063
Would really like to have a Karabiner 98K tho

>>73301847
>Americanized
>z

FOY

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>>73302063

>>73302161
Fool. Guns are the thing keeping the plebians free.

I believe all handguns should be illegal banned and have harsh punishments associated with them.
Rifles are fine as hunting equipment and for fun.

you need a hunting permit to have a rigle or a shotgun
assault rifles and handguns are nono

it went pretty well until breivik came along

>>73302174
>SHALL

If we required mental health screening before people were able to use their right to free speech Trump would have been elected. You do not need permission to exercise your rights, though they may be taken away if you are found guilty in a court of law of a crime or incapable of caring for yourself. Taking away the rights of the disabled merely because of their unchosen condition without due process is a violation of ones liberties.

Mass shootings are an unfortunate horrific side effect of having this freedom, but in terms of the overall murder rate are a statistical blip that generates much controversy. This media attention reinforces people's desire to commit mass shootings to go down in history. The true gun murder problem in the united States is that of gang violence and drug crime. These are socioeconomic issues that are difficult to solve, so gun control groups go after the symptom rather than the cause.

In order to solve this problem, we need to invest in our communities and rebuild our fraying social fabric. We must identify individuals at risk for gang violence through proven programs like Operation Cease Fire and intervene before they become a victim or perpetrator. This involves fostering a closer trusting relationship between police and the communities they serve. This means greater accountability for officers who use violence, but also greater communication and coordination with community groups. Additionally, the education system must be made more equitable and efficient in order to ensure our young people have adequate opportunities and do not fall prey to gang culture and the cycle of violence. The criminalization of drugs and the lack of social programs to help those who suffer from addiction exacerbate all these problems, as does the broken prison system which fails to rehabilitate those who enter it, hardening criminals and robbing them of opportunities.

>>73303612
This is how the murder rate must be brought down, the only way that will make a real lasting and substantive change. It can be done without curtailing the liberties that this nation was based upon, and make the nation great again in the process. Rather than interesting the power of the police and regulatory state, it can be loosened and freedom and opportunity rather than punishment can shape our future. Currently, the left desires only to increase the power of the state and people's reliance on it, while the right desires to ignore the socioeconomic realities that cause crime with the assertion that ever harsher punishments will succeed. These are not the only options for our society.

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>>73302513
Spooky scary 10/22 wooOooOoo

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>tfw my posts kill any thread they're posted in
Is it autism?

>>73301847
>gun rights
No. Most of it's alright, but you can't legally get anything powerful. Also, traditional European self defense rules are in effect, so you can't really use it, unless you want to shoot into the air for special occasions. Self defense is superior in common law.
>gun control
Yes.
Number 2 in the world in guns per capita, baby, just behind the US of A.

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>>73301847
Im kinda OK, but there is always more room for freedumz.

>>73301847
No. Penalty for stealing or owning illegal guns is DEATH. The only way for me to own firearms is to: join the Territorial Army (militia); own a farm to hunt vermin; convince a judge that I am high profile and need a revolver to defend myself. I can join a gun club but cannot take the gun out of the club. Those who own guns, mostly have shotguns. Every bullet must be registered with the police. I blame the Communist Chinks for this. This ultrastrict gun laws were made during the Communist insurgency and never repealed. Now only criminals have guns.

>>73301847
>are you satisfied with gun rights or gun control in your country?
No.
>why or why not?
In Italy we have fucked up laws, if a thief gets in your home you can shoot at him only if he is actually trying to kill you or killing someone else, you have to be sure he is not holding a fake weapon, you can't shoot at someone who has "just" a knife, if you aren't sure about the intentions of the criminal you can shoot in the air to scare him off but if you hit him by accident you can go to jail.
Basically we can't use our weapons.
>is there any way for Americanized gun rights to spread?
People are very pissed off and media talk about changing the laws every day so I hope so.

>>73305571
Wasn't there a tradition to buy toddlers a handgun for baptism, to put it under their pillow? My neighbor still has the one he got as a baby.

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>>73301847
you know come to think of it I'm not even crystal on our gun laws, let alone America's

lotta people have guns tho so maybe it's good?

>>73301847
Not everyone equates guns to freedom like us. You need to accept that already.

>>73301847
No. Swedes should be able to purchase as many guns as we want and immigrants should not have any guns at all.

You don't have guns and that's why your countries are shitty weaklings. We are strong and powerful as you could see last night. World police!

>>73301847
It was ok, until the US gov decided to start sending guns to cartels just as they do with Middle Eastern terrorist "rebels".

>>73312118
Cartels get their guns in Guatemala. US guns are too expensive. Stop bullshitting us please.

>>73312169
Not really. Plenty of guns for South over the border. The ATF even provides them.

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>>73301902
Gonna be worthless if you're flattened

No, we have plenty of restrictions, but it could be way worse.

No automatic weapons of any kind. Calibers limited by muzzle energy and action. Psychological evaluation, no criminal background, proof of having a job, gun classes and test of skill done by registered instructors.

Either buy with common license, or with sportive/hunting/collecting license. Sportive license requires being registered at a gun range and hunting license at a hunting association. Collecting needs either but you cannot buy ammo or bring guns outside your house to shoot.

Common license: up to 1000J muzzle energy in long arms and 300J in handguns. Smoothbore no bigger than 12 gauge with 24in barrel minimum. Strongest revolver at .38spl and strongest pistol at .380acp.
Gun must be kept inside house at all times. May apply for concealed carry license of these handguns, but it is extremely hard to get because it is a may-issue and our police is commie.
Limit of 50 rounds of ammo per year except for 200 rounds of any smoothbore round like 12 gauge per month or 300 rounds of .22lr per month. Cannot buy reloading equipment or material.

Sportive/hunting/collecting license: any muzzle energy up to 16000J, so even a .50bmg is fine in theory. Anything over the 1000J m.e. must not be semi-auto. Cannot carry with ammo in the same box. Any weapon registered in this license cannot be registered for concealed carry. If sportive shooter, you can buy 4k-20k rounds of ammo per year according to how often you shoot/compete. Can buy reloading equipment and material.

>>73313869
For military members, police, government officials, prosecutors, judges, etc they also can buy a handgun in .357, .40, .45 and have automatic carry rights. 9mm can be bought if in a federal government member (armed forces and federal police).

Biggest hurdle is carry rights. You need to give "proof of need" to carry which means that a commie police officer might just disregard the fact that there is a guy that told you that wants to kill you by saying you just need to take care and call the police if you see something suspicious.

Next frontier in gun rights is turning the may-issue to shall-issue concealed carry rights. Project is already on congress needing to be put into vote. It took 4 years for the base text be approved because gun control was a strong government objective but we moved away from the center-left socialists, so now our chances of getting some rights are bigger.

Some 12 years ago we had a plebiscite about gun control and the majority voted against forbidding the sale of guns for civilians but since then we had way more control of firearms. The government tried to sell that gun control saved many lives due to fall in homicides, but even with all restrictions to have weapons today the homicides are above what they were 12 years ago and raising.

>>73301847
Guns never had a place in our society/culture so I don't miss them.

>>73312169
Drugs go North, guns go South.

>>73301847
I'm ok with civvies in Ireland not having guns, put I think our police should, that's the reason nobody respects the gardai, they are a great police force, but it's hard to rely on them when their only weapon is a telescopic baton.

Nobody takes the police seriously, armed with a block, they might.

>>73315178
*Glock

Block works too though, I guess.

>>73315178
Really? Cops should carry weapons so people people take them seriously? That's ridiculous.

Our policemen carry weapons, for a time they had to be even automatic, and everyone thinks they're fucking clowns.

Guns are heavily restricted here and there are >50 thousand (reported) murders a year

For the most part it's spot on. The licensing and regulatory system is great, the cost is fair and the mandatory training a good idea. The only stupid shit is arbitrary magazine restrictions.

Not a gun owner myself but I know people who are.

We have a lot of stupid people in our country. I don't know how it would be if they have access to high caliber weapons.
How is it in US? you know, stupid people with guns, is it safe? Like, about drunk people, niggers or daily stressful situations??

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

>Since a [i]well regulated[/i] militia is the only thing standing between us and anarchy and/or outside conquest, we need to have everybody keeping and bearing arms any time they want to. And we can't let anyone even so much as infringe - begin to violate - that freedom.

Now, I don't think this is so true anymore. This was written at a time when the Wild West was the Appalachian Mountains, FFS. Even the biggest city in North America was barely a city, and everyone lived in varying shades of armed encampment. Indian raids were a constant thing.

Nonetheless, only the need to carry guns around on the street needs to be taken out IMO. We still need local militias to keep armories, ready to put down local riots and push back against Federal tyranny.

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>>73315565
>Even the biggest city in North America was barely a city
The 13 colonies had a population of like 2.5 million people in 1776. The fuck are you on about?

>>73315543
>How is it in US? you know, stupid people with guns, is it safe?
We have 14x more guns than you do per capita but about half as many gun deaths.

>>73315611
Is North America one big city? No? Then that isn't a very impressive population density. You're supporting my point here.

I can't find it broken out by city, but we don't really need that given out small the numbers were for entire states and provinces:
https://slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=british_na_1791
http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/lpa/census/1990/poptrd1.htm

our laws are probably too strict, but no-one cares enough to get them changed

>>73316621
This desu. For along time our gun laws were extremely lax (because no one cared enough to implement gun control) then some autist shot thirty people and all the states cracked down on firearms, which a large majority don't care enough to reverse. What Americans don't seem top understand is that most people don't care about guns one way or another. It's not some hot political topic here.

>>73318640
we think foreigners care about guns because they often tell us to outlaw them.

Yes
Australia's gun control system is excellent

>>73301847
Yes, I'm quite fine with them, and I appreciate that our politicians are more or less in agreement over them and helped mitigate impact of upcoming EU directive.

>>73301847
not satisfied because they're fucking thrash, and no, there isn't
>>73301902
eneste grund der er skole skydere i USA er pga. de alle er retarderet, ikke på grund af skydevåben min ven

I dont give a fuck about gun rights personally since I own an unregistered fully auto AK and few grenades.

>>73301847
There should be no gun control, only bootlicking cucks say otherwise

Too many retards, bitter neetrats and muslims around to have any laxer gun control. If every person could be trusted to not go psychotic and mow down a dozen people because they can't get pussy or because god, allah or a pink elephants told them to then sure, let everyone have everything. Too bad you can't.

>>73301847
Why the fuck are Americans so obsessed with guns?

>>73301847
>are you satisfied with gun rights or gun control in your country? why or why not?
No
They make it too hard for primary producers and people to do pest control, there's so many damn licences for everything and anything it just makes for a bureaucratic nightmare.
I've got a licence for centrefires and shotguns, little plinky guns, hand guns and one of the few people you'll meet here with Cat-D semi-automatics.
Our laws where rushed through with a knee-jerk reaction and as a result are poorly constructed and even more poorly implemented, so the types of firearms aren't really in the right place for the right law and its all just fucked up. Mostly because it was demonised by all major political parties, so they just made shit up without any criticism and called it a day.

>is there any way for Americanized gun rights to spread?
I do support licensing, proper training and some limits on some weapons, here guns where seen as a privilege to own after demonstrating the necessary merit, safety and proper handling.
They where perceived and used as a tool

They aren't a political tool, home safety tool or government is up in my shit tool