How did the once great ming dynasty manage to fall and let its

>>73111856
They got comfy and didn't industrialize.

>>73111856
protectionism
you know, the thing that Trump is currently doing

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>>73111856
All memes aside, their IQ isn't very high. It's just that the Chinese gov only tests the best.

>>73111856
Ming was killed by Manchurians, not europ. Qing was killed by europ.

>>73112041
I realize that, let me rephrase then: How did the Ming lost their power to Qing?

There were many advantages Europe had which ensured global dominance:

>Geography
Much more favorable location than China with easy access to four continents. Europe is resource-poor which compelled them to travel abroad to seek riches.
>Culture/religion
Western culture is based on individuality and competitiveness, while East Asian culture is based on collectivism and social harmony. The Christian religion also compelled Europeans to travel the world and convert heathens; Asian religions lack this characteristic.

>>73112153
And also of course languages and writing systems that were much easier to master than what they had in East Asia.

>>73112153
China still had everything europeans didnt, and yet when they were fragile Europe took the advantage submitted them. Its amazing how the great fall

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>>73112131
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>>73112131
The Ming emperors became useless and degenerate in the later years of the dynasty; this led to the Manchu taking over the country.

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it's a mystery...

>>73112205
>and yet when they were fragile Europe took the advantage submitted them

By the time this happened (in the 19th century), Europe already dominated the globe.

>>73112238
They dominated the globe mostly because of the chinese technology advancements

>>73112153
>Western culture is based on individuality and competitiveness, while East Asian culture is based on collectivism and social harmony.
East Asia was just China and a bunch of smaller states (Korea, Vietnam, Tibet, etc) which were vassals of the emperor and which borrowed most of their culture from the Middle Kingdom. Europe was a crowded continent filled with many small states which fought endless wars and attempted to one-up each other.

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>>73112260
>They dominated the globe mostly because of the chinese technology advancements
About 85% of all scientific and technological discoveries in recorded history came from people of European descent. A world without China would not be that different, a world without Europe would be really different.

Anyway, the Chinese mindset was always that the rest of the world was irrelevant except to pay homage to the Emperor. They simply didn't care about anything outside of China. For example, Zheng He's voyages in the XV century were to collect tribute and impress the might of the Emperor on lesser nations; there was no thought given to exploration and colonization, and then the Emperor recalled Zheng He and forbade the construction of ocean-going ships.

>>73112313
Navigation, civil code, gunpowder, you name it

Chinese did most of everything you think eurofucks did in the past, really.

>>73112422
Chinese never thought to use gunpowder as anything but a toy; it was Europeans who discovered that it could be used as a weapon/demolition tool.

Also the bits about navigation and civil code are funny since those had existed in Europe and the Near East since antiquity. For example, Hanno the Navigator sailed down the African coast to the Gulf of Guinea in the 5th century BC. Other Phoenicians circumnavigated the entire continent in the 7th century BC in an expedition commissioned by the Egyptian pharaoh Necho.

>>73112519
I do am talking from dates that far back, the chinese empire lasted for centuries. As a matter of fact, its civil code ranges from around 300 BC if im not mistaken. While ~the first real european civil code was made by fucking napoleon

>>73112131
two words. Great Wall

great walls were build between chinese and steppe nomads since BC times. after regaining power from mongol yuans ming decided that NEVER again will china be conquered and started building the most famous and grandest part of the wall aka. that part on which tourists today are taking photos on. however wall of this size and garrison for it is expensive which led to massive taxes and subsequently rebellion by peasantry. ming went completely bankrupt and rebellion grew to the level when it was impossible for it to be dealt with internally. ming general decided to let manchurians in and slaughter the rebels. they were let it, wall was completely useless, chinese themselves opened gate so machurians can invade. after that manchus obviously stayed and started the qing dynasty.

its a silly story fit for a fairy tale. ming got so into defending itself with a wall that they ultimately fell because of it.

The Chinese intervention in Korea in the 1590s to drive Japan out was also very expensive and may have contributed to the Ming decline.

>>73112731
That explains a lot and its really interesting, i would need to look into it later because i have never heard of anything like this before

>>73112153
>Much more favorable location than China with easy access to four continents

From Europe, it's easy to reach the Americas, Africa, and Asia. In addition, Europe faces the fertile, well-watered side of the Americas. North America in particular has a similar climate and European crops and lifestyles were easy to transplant there.

>>73112153
>The Christian religion also compelled Europeans to travel the world and convert heathens; Asian religions lack this characteristic.
This meme again.

Age of exploration began by ottomans cucking whites out of a trade route by land. Thus Spain accidentally discovered the America's and wah

>>73113096
Too bad Europeans didn't settle in North America first but in Venezuela and Central America instead.

>>73112131
Horse archers

>>73112606
>the first real european civil code was made by fucking napoleon
You mean Justinian?

>>73114901
wtf I love turks now

>>73112390
>Zheng He.

Will he wants to pilgrimage to Mecca

>>73112210
i wish they would be horse archers again then
Mongorian horde

>>73112229
Holy fuck Big Sil looks like Tony Soprano in this pic

>>73111856
>Ming
>not Song or Tang

Shamefur dispray

>>73112606
The Roman Empire lasted for centuries too

In a way it could perhaps be said to never have collapsed, in that the church still stands


The chinese are useless, they made some funny trinkets in the distant past and in some cases, at best made parity with the west independently- although usually later.
Its just a strange , stagnant and inhuman place full of strange backwards manchildren

They have only produced 2 (two) things of any use to the world: Silk and herbal tea

>>73119272
Gunpowder, compass, paper...

>>73119361
We made gunpowder independently and made practical use of it, unlike them

We made the compass independently of china

Paper is debatable, the chinese *could* be credited with making the first paper roughly similar to that we use today, but little more

All Chinese inventions are jokes.
China did not invent paper, printing, gunpowder, compass.


1) Egypt invented paper(papyrus) 5000 years ago.
Papyrus is defined as paper.
The English word paper was derived from the word papyrus.
Papyrus - Wikipedia


China started to use animal bones as "paper" 3000 years ago.
Oracle bone - Wikipedia

There were a number of civilizations invented paper, example, Maya.
Maya codices - Wikipedia


2) Middle East invented writing 5000 years ago.
Middle East invented printing 5000 years ago.
It was before the Chinese history. The earliest oracle bone inscriptions are about 2500 years old.

China also entered the Bronze Age at least 2000 years after the Middle East and Europe.

Johannes Gutenberg invented Printing press, (the machine).

3) Greece invented gunpowder.
Greek fire, its chief ingredient was saltpeter and sulfur, making it an early form of gunpowder.

China was ruled by Manchurian tribe for 300 years till 1911.
The population rate was 1 million Manchus vs 100 million Chinese.
Manchu conquest of China - Wikipedia

Manchus had the right of the first night in China.
Queue Order
When the Manchus defeated China, Chinese men were forced to wear a queue or they would be killed.

The world did not wait for China to invent gunpowder. While it was used only as a toy in China, Europeans discovered its potential as a weapon. The first firearms did not appear in China until the 16th century when Europeans introduced them.

China experienced a major growth in population from the 17th century onward after Europeans also introduced to them new crops such as the sweet potato and the peanut.

5) Italy invented the compass.
The pointer of the ancient Chinese compass was as big as a spoon.
The spoon was put on a board, with nothing else.
Compass, Wikipedia
History of the compass, Wikipedia, (Chinese Compass "Si Nan", photo

2) Chinese declare that the Chinese treasure ship was the most advanced ship hundreds years ago.
It was a punt ship. It was not advanced.
Chinese treasure ship - Wikipedia

3) Till today, all Chinese inventions are jokes.
Chinese microchip
The chip was later revealed to be a duplicate of a chip developed in the West, with the original identifications sanded away.
Hanxin - Wikipedia

At the end of the day, East Asian civilization just isn't that significant in terms of its contributions to human progress and most of what they do have was adapted from Western culture in some form or another.

>>73119604
>>73119675

what useless but arrogant people
still better than the Bantu though

>>73119604
Interesting about the right of the first night:

>As late as the nineteenth century, some Kurdish chieftains (khafirs) in Anatolia reserved the right to bed Armenian brides on their wedding night. (wiki)

Is this related to modern armenian-american cuckold culture?

>>73111856
the chinese are subhumans

>>73121471
this

t. chinaman

>>73111856
>>73112041
The Ming fell to an internal Han Chinese rebellion. Look up Li Zicheng.
People say it was natural disasters, incompetence of gov't officials, bribery by eunuchs, and all the corruption that caused the rebellion.
>>73112731
The Great Wall worked. After it was built, no nomads came to conquer China. The Manchus were invited into China by the Han Chinese general Wu Sangui.

Also the bankruptcy didn't come from building the Great Wall, it came from fighting defensive wars against the Japanese (1590s) and the Manchus (1620s-1640s), and internal rebellions.

>>73121416
Stuff like that is so hot

The development of scientific thinking led to the idea of progress that destroyed traditional economics. The protectionist guild system was replaced by the free market leading to ever increasing expansion of European economies. Guns germs and steel is a fucking meme when you consider how superior the middle East and China where to Europe before the modern period.

>>73121885
Not really. Europe had an advanced civilization comparable to anything in Asia during Roman times, it just got set back centuries by the Dark Ages and Roman Empire's collapse.

>>73112153
What a load of rubbish. Europe has loads of iron wood coal tin etc .

Before the modern era individually didn't exist and people lived communally in farming villages sharing everything.

>>73121471
this
We should vanquish the yellow hordes, those cruel and cowardly childish monkeys

>Ming Dynasty
More like Mong Dynasty

>>73123982
MONG-OL

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>>73111856
they were conquered by the other barbarians first