If a black guy is born and raised in England, is he considered

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>>73055993
yes

nationality and culture is more impotrant than ethnicity

If the people raising him are "real" Brits then yeah.

>>73056085
>>73056333
cucks

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>>73056382
>Italy

>>73055993
British yes, but not English, Irish, Scot or Welsh.

>>73055993


No, and no one really believes it either, not even them.

They all call themselves "British" instead of English because it's more of a catch all term

>>73055993
>If a black guy is born and raised in England, is he considered a "real" Brit?
yea i guess
we have less problems here with blacks and more with browns 2bh

>>73056435

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6P3Rm2GCg

>>73056436
>Idrissa Akuna "Idris" Elba, OBE (/ˈJdrᵻs ˈɛlbə/; born 6 September 1972)[2] is an English actor, musician, and DJ.[3][4]
made me think

>>73055993
>If a black guy is born and raised in England, is he considered a "real" Brit?
Please, that is not even a real human.

>>73056573
He can call himself English but he will never truly be one, especially as his parents were straight from Africa.

>>73056684
i doubt he wrote the article

>>73055993
Why is it that only European countries should accept this (((civic nationalism)))?

I'm a Brit in Japan. I am eligible for permanent residence. Am I Japanese-British?

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>>73055993
Never

>>73055993
No

The lefties want you to think that but really people don't consider any non whites Brits.

Also most blacks live in London and Brits don't live in London.
>>73056085
Ethnicity nationality and culture are all linked.

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>>73055993
>at least I have the constitution

>>73056771
So you consider the child of Polish immigrants, who was born in England, to be English?

>>73056865
Depends how they act, who their peers are, their interests etc etc.

Are you telling me Mohammed Islam who was born in Luton in a Muslim community which he never leaves, has no white friends, prays 5 times a day is English?

If a dog's born in a stable do you call him a horse?

>>73056865
>>73056926
Brown people in UK seem to consider themselves "British" at most but not "English" based on what I learned about idenitity politics in UK. "British" implies being part of the empire but not of the English (or Welsh or Scottish or Poo) ethnic group.

>>73056926
Yes.

Do you consider Marcin Sczzczczczkiwho was born in London in a Polish community which he never leaves, has no ethnic Brits as friends and is an atheist to be English?

>>73056457
I used to call myself English but my mum told me to stop because white people will get offended lol. I just say I'm Brit-carib now.

If he embraces British culture and society, why not? I'm Polish ethnically but no one has ever noticed because I'm still white and act like everyone else.

>>73057166
No

>>73056760
obviously not... If you had a son in Japan and he grew up in japan then yes he would be considered Japanese :/

>>73057188
Do you act like a nigger though. If you act like a normal person mate call yourself English

>>73057188
You're an African Caribbean not English in least bit.

If an ant is born in a bee hive he is not a bee.

>>73057215
So what does it mean to be British/English in your eyes? Do you consider Africans who follow English customs etc to be English?

>>73057309
English is a people English people nothing else.

>>73055993
I'll give my take as a 'Sheed Canadian.

I get bad looks when I try to act Canadian from the 'Sheed community. I don't want to be a 'Sheed, I wish I could just be pure Canuck, but people see it as whitewashing if I do that. I've been called uncle Tom and a wannabe - in jest, but they're joking about it because that's what they think.

That's just my situation. So no. You'll always be something different. You can become Anglo in a very broad sense, but you will be something distinct from the host culture. I don't like it.

I was born here btw.

When is this retardation going to end

>>73057269
>In least bit

Am I more English than you if I can write more coherently than you?

Nah fuck you tho, I was born here and I behave the same the same as my yt friends.

AY MON WHERE THE ENGLISH ROSES AT
*comits crime in london*

>>73056771
You are fucking retarded

>>73057309
I will never see them as truly English due to the colour of their skin but if they're integrated then I don't really have a problem.
>>73057469
Good argument

>>73057188
There's a few ITT, kek

>>73057492
So do you consider Polish or Dutch immigrants to be truly English if they follow English customs and mindset?

>>73057412
You're not English in any way, I have no idea why this bothers you in any way an Englishman is not black in any way, perhaps because England has a better economy?

>>73057590
No

>>73055993
such a hard question to answer until you use the non europe example. Nobody would consider him japanese if he was born in japan, therefore the answer to your question is no.

>>73057590
Not him, but no.
Nationality != ethnicity although there's a lot of overlap. Obviously you might not notice that they're not English depending on their phenotype, but they're not.

I'm not a race autist btw just saying

Just call yourself British, it is a lot less bother when people ask questions.

>>73057678
Fair enough. I know there's a difference between European and non-European immigration though.

>>73057343
>>73057620
>yank

You Americans have completely retarded views on race, nationality and that stuff

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The truth about Christian blacks is that there's an undercurrent of a slave mentality, because that's the relationship between white cultures and blacks. This slave mentality often produces thug culture and a pernicious underclass.

There are also blacks who don't participate in that shit, but it tends to be heavily ingrained amongst the blacks.

If it weren't for (for lack of a better word) this niggerishness, there'd literally be no problem with blacks; in fact, the blacks who don't participate in nigger culture aren't a problem at all.

Middle class blacks are often those who despise nigger culture the most.

>>73057620
I was born here and I align with British/English culture... Being English is more than being a yt Amerifriend. And one day I'll marry a fine English lady and impregnate her to continue my English Lineage.

>>73057412
What does being born somewhere has to do with anything, it has no value.

>>73057857
nah

>>73056085
this

>>73057885
Lol no, children of blacks are all black Obama is mulatto.

>>73057857
they're thugs, because they have low intelligence, have less empathy and are poor.

>>73056760
If I was in Japan I would Never insult the Japanese people by saying I am one of them I am foreigner not Japanese.

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>>73057857
Statistics say otherwise.

>>73055993
They are so-called African American Britons

>>73057945
They will be a beautiful mix of black and white but you can't argue they will be 100% ENGLISH. You really are jealous, my country has 1000s of years of history. What do you have?

>>73058077
>beautiful
nah

>>73057972
Perhaps. When I see a regular black guy, and a complete nigger yelling and howling on a street corner, I'm not entirely sure if it's biological or sociological why so many of them act like they're still on a plantation.

>>73058077
Bro stop self hate, go to Africa forget euro language and be with your people just like always before 1800s.

Yes buts it's complicated. Being a different race, a lot of them have a bit of an identity crisis. Integration is a lot harder because of this, and it causes things like voluntary segregation, racism. Second generation poles will be considered full brits, but Asians and blacks will be at a disadvantage just because they're visually different to the majority

>>73058077
>>73058168
Don't do this. Africa will never accept you.

You may look like them, but you will never have the fucked up brain patterns Africans have. Africans just wanna fuck, eat and argue. If your life consists of anything more complicated than that (like all this philosophical thinking), you're better off in whiteyland. At least whitey's invented civic nationalism so you can lead a half-decent life in their countries.

>>73058168
Aren't white Americans 10% black?

>>73058168
How the fuck are Africans his people if he was born in Britain and have British customs?

>>73058314
I expected you will say that.

>>73058144
they're inferior as a race, doesn't mean they're all inferior. we all have our retards within our races, blacks tend to have more retards, they can still have some geniuses but way way less than let's say whites. of course social pressure from dumb niggers prevent some normal niggers to become socially normal.

>>73058347
No, how the hell would that be possible

>>73058353
Being born somewhere means nothing nor does culture, he's black.

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>>73058517
>Being born somewhere means nothing nor does culture, he's black.

>>73058550
Can you tell me what meaning either of those holds?

>>73058517
Is this why you lot hold on to your Oirishness and Italianity so fervently.

Yeah, of course. As long as he integrates and observes British culture then sure. If he turns into a hyper-aggressive nation of Islam type then no, he can fuck off.

>>73055993
correct answer is no

>>73058517
How about the Caribbeans? They have very little in common with modern Africans, most of the blacks here got imported from the West Indies or are descended from them.

>>73058583
It holds everything. You're not close to some complete stranger just because you share the same skin color. Maybe it's like that in America.

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>>73058550
Culture is flexible. Genetics aren't (yet). Jus Soli is an aberration. Civic nationalism is a swindle for goyim.

>>73058664
they have their own culture

>europeans are making the same mistakes the americas did because they are naive
have fun with crime when they get a big enough number

>>73058669
Why yes I do just like my family my people are a family organization

>>73058669
>You're not close to some complete stranger just because you share the same skin color.
This is a childish oversimplification. How old are you?

Wherever there is ethnic diversity people tend to congregate in enclaves.

>>73058664
Toss them in Ethiopia who has a mulatto populace

>>73055993
No

Ius sanguinis

>>73058699
They used to during the 70's and 80's, todays black generation in Britain have mostly integrated unless they live in their London enclaves.

>>73055993

No. Obviously.

In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community."
lmao

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>>73058902

>>73058902
Keklmao they will never learn

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I'd also just like to add that races have never lived totally seperate from eachother.

There were "Ethiopians" (subsaharan Africans" in Roman Britain, and Goths in Mauretania.

It's just that over time these foreign populations are absorbed into the general population; hence why there's been North African and Subsaharan admixture found in the people of the English/Scottish border region.

In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.

>>73059005
Ha funny, no.
There are no records of blacks nor did any black exist in Europe prior to 1900s

>>73059086
Those numbers are amusing when you consider blacks only make up 3% of our population.

>>73059132
We'll 1990s I don't know who was first black immigrant to europe

>>73059132
You're taking the piss, aren't you?

It wasn't until the 1970s the black scourge descended on pure Europa.

>>73059202
When Portuguese first saw blacks in Africa they sent back drawings of bizarre beings, no one has ever seen those people before.

>>73059005
>I'd also just like to add that races have never lived totally seperate from eachother.
>There were "Ethiopians" (subsaharan Africans" in Roman Britain, and Goths in Mauretania.

>a single Roman mercenary is comparable to millions of immigrants

Give your nappy head a shake.

>hence why there's been North African and Subsaharan admixture found in the people of the English/Scottish border region.
[citation needed]

The interior of Africa was unexplored by whites until the 19th century.

>>73057590
No, but if they were to have children with an English person then I'd consider their children to be English. A lot of us are pretty mixed anyway and nearly every european can trace their lineage back to back to significant figures like Alexander the Great or Charlamagne.

>>73059275
When the Carthaginians (a Semitic people) sailed around the west coast of Africa in the 4th century BC, they described hairless apes with shelter who they traded with. Historians are divided whether the Carthaginians are describing actual apes, or just the native Africans.

Reading the passage, I think the Carthaginians were actually describing the Africans and the Apes together.

>>73057620
>>73058517
t. Né:vuhká:pewon Gray Cloud from the Onondaga nation, I hope, or everything you wrote is bullshit.

>>73058809
sunday roast?

>>73059505
What do you mean?

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>>73059477
>they described hairless apes with shelter who they traded with.

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> In its inmost recess was an island similar to that formerly described, which contained in like manner a lake with another island, inhabited by a rude description of people. The females were much more numerous than the males, and had rough skins: our interpreters called them Gorillae. We pursued but could take none of the males; they all escaped to the top of precipices, which they mounted with ease, and threw down stones; we took three of the females, but they made such violent struggles, biting and tearing their captors, that we killed them, and stripped off the skins, which we carried to Carthage: being out of provisions we could go no further.
> - Hanno the Navigator

>>73059198
Moroccans here are the 1,5% and they commited a lot of the murders last year, 53 out of 300

Then it comes sudacas

Then romanians, although these almost no kill, their crimes are theft and such normally

>>73059477
How could they sail Africa? It's impossible, surely it's lies.

>>73059687
>Then romanians, although these almost no kill, their crimes are theft and such normally

Same with our Gypsies and Irish Travellers, loads of violence and theft but barely and murders. Then again they move around so much they are hard to trace and there are quite a few missing people here.

>>73059467
Mixed whites are not same as mixed blacks.

>>73059889
*Barely any murders.

>>73059915
What do you mean by that?

>>73059993
A say French and German mix is not same as mixing different races.

Immigrants in the old world are their ethnicity + their place of birth. French Algerians are not Algerian nor French, they're French Algerians. Mutts.

>>73059915

Blacks communities have settled the whole world, but most have assimilated and disappeared. The same thing will happen in England

>>73060604
lol no it wont

>>73060604
They have already assimilated outside of London, for some reason that shithole is an exception.

>>73060604
Retard, Chinese people have 0 records of black people.

>>73060668
because there are like 3 blacks outside london in england

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What if I'm half black but both my white and black parents were born here and so was I?

>>73059648
hmmm

>>73060795
>because there are like 3 blacks outside london in england
Funny you mention that, when I was at school only 3 black kids were there and they were all from the same family.

>>73060839
And so what?
You're black.

>>73055993
Of course not, it could be either a welcomed or unwelcome guest.

>>73060795
50% of blacks live outside of London m8

>>73057052
that's dumb to say. Those are two different species. Even the most niggerest of niggers and uncultured goyim white trash are in the same species.

>>73060788
>Retard, Chinese people have 0 records of black people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asians

Blacks will eventually disappear in America too, just as they disappeared in Ancient Rome. Your future is white.

>>73059915
What on earth are you on about?

>>73060907
I mean no shit. But the argument being posted here is that being anything but the race of the majority in a country makes you truly not of that country despite being born and raised there. Do we make a difference for interracial children or are we just saying if you're not white you can't be European/American/Canadian?

I'm not counting Muslims into this because they don't want to integrate at all.

>>73061073
england is lost

>>73060839
Canada is an immigrant country so you are Canadian.

>>73061171
You aren't biologically English, that's it.

>>73061267
Canada is a state founded by whites for whites

>>73061326
It was founded by pelt hunters

>>73061326
I believe you Mr. 60%

>>73060907
because his white genes don't show up?
C'mon mate.

>>73059915
whites mixed are blacks mixed aren't. Autism pass it on.

>>73061262
Lets just hope it doesn't become shitstained under bleach brazil