Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1833

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Is miso soup good for you?
好きじゃない(´・ω・｀)

No miso, no Japanese life

>>72944702
何がダメなん?

>>72944808
やっぱり、味噌汁はなれないと..

how many words should I be learning each day from the deck? 20 per day seems hard to remember

>>72945428
Learning from a deck is a bad way to learn because each word is learned the same way. Put yourself in different situations so you get stronger memories and learn the words better. You will forget most of what you learn anyway, so do as much as you can.

Trying to learn so and so many words every day is the dumbest thing you can do.

You sound like a beginner so I don't know if you know about this concept but you will probably forget and relearn words several times before you can remember them well. That's why things like anki exist.

Say you "learn" 20 words per day, and forget 15 of them next week, then the number of words you have to learn each day will start to rise to a larger and larger number, soon you're at 200 words per day just to not forget what you've already learned.

>>72944936
I don't like the taste (´・ω・｀)

I don't think I'm ever going to stop mixing up 痕跡 and 跡形

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It's true that Japanese people are going to get genocided like Europeans now?

豚肉カツ丼とチキンカツ丼とどちのほうが一番通常?

>>72945428
It's not really that hard to remember because many words are related. Ie., the use the same kanji which carries the same general idea. If you grasp the idea, it gets much easier. Then again, >>72945835 is right. You will forget a lot of what you've learned, so it's best to start reading as soon as you can so that you encounter kanji in the wild. Context will help you retain the knowledge.

>>72946854
豚肉カツ丼が一番通常だと思います。

>>72946008
When I stayed in Japan, I'd get 辛味噌ラーメン every other day. The best.

>>72945428
Try adding an extra step for new cards at >30 minutes or so, I think it's difficult to memorise kanji vocab cards with just the default <10 minute step

>>72949743
This. This helps retention so much, I currently do 1 5 10 20 steps.

>>72945428
Also you may want to set your learn ahead limit to 0 so that you actually get the spaced part of SRS when learning a card.

こういうおじさん
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT-h-FMV0B8

>>72946854
豚

>Mature: 292
>Young+Learn: 589
>Unseen: 5118
I still can't read jack shit. Am I just trying to read things above my level? Should I keep at it and try again in the future?

Is there anything I can read right now?

>>72951198
That's too little, I think. At the same time, I do believe that you should be able to read NHK3 News for kids? You will encounter unknown kanji, of course, but you should be able to understand something.

>>72951241
>NHK3 News
Thanks, I'll give it a try.

How many words do I need for reading, roughly?

>>72951198
I only started to feel comfortable after 6k. But then again, I didn't read Tae Kim. If you have, then having a mouseover dictionary should get you going.

>>72951241
>I do believe that you should be able to read NHK3 News for kids?
Yes, you do believe it.

>>72951198
>mature 2102
>young / learn 1380
Still can't read shit either.

>>72946741
>(((bloomberg)))
every time

It's this publication in particular that is obsessed with Japan's (((population problem)))

Literally 90% of Western articles about it are from this site

How does one write

"John is only allowed to kiss Sarah" in Japanese?

>>72953215
(this is a guess it's probably wrong)
ジョンさんはサラなら接吻できる

Please translate エミリアはジョンにキスしなければならない!

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Why are you learning Japanese /int/? Not trying to be condescending or anything just curious.

実はわたしもちょっとだけ寄り道して 所があっでな…
コレ… 見てくんろ
What does mean 所があっでな?

>things that trigger you

When people say みーっけ or whatever instead of 見つけた

>>72955012
で de → て te

it's a dialect sound.

>>72955640
Thank, but what does 所 mean in this context?

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>>72954972
Many reasons too existential to properly go into but to generalise, to enjoy Japanese comics, cartoons, literature and the sound of the language itself. At a more immediate level, it is one thing helping smother suicidal thoughts.

>>72954972
guide was there

>>72954972
Will eventually live in nip land, so might aswell

>>72956097
Which board did you come across the thread to find the guide?

>>72956137
/a/, a year ago

>>72956165
How has your progress been and which of the three boards this thread has existed on/exists on did/do you prefer, if any?

>>72955677
oh fuck, i'm so stupid.
寄り道して所

>>72954237
Emilia came inside John, who felt a great pleasure.

>>72956097
Are you a vampire?

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>>72956236
progress is slow on things i havent focused on, like production
reading is a lot better, as is listening. catch most of what NHK news 7(on sbs on-demand) is talking about if its not too political and name droppy
finished core 2/6k a while ago and starting mining, still do 20 new a day and mine a lot more than that
i dont prefer any particular board, /int/ or /jp/ are shit in different ways, good in others

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>>72956408
>Are you a vampire?
まさか、普通だよ

>>72956713
Did you post >>72907650 If so, you got great taste in 2D.

>>72956912
yeah
gotta stay wide

x ˵ ╹ ◡ ╹ ˶ x
wide pride world wide

>>72956324
the way of making 寄り道して connected to 所 is wrong. it looks more like 寄り道した所 or 寄り道してぇ所(寄り道したい所)

>>72957360
ah I forgot that might have been how to speak in a dialect. I cannot swear the way of speaking is wrong. howeveer, if something happens, that should be originally 寄り道した所, though.

>>72957360
>寄り道してぇ所(寄り道したい所)
In original 寄り道してェ所

>>72954972
Because it's fun. I could rationalise it in a hundred other ways but honestly, if I didn't enjoy the process for it's own sake there's no way I would have come this far.

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Please write this for me

>>72957535
well then, してぇ/してェ means したい in this case. she seems to want to visit somewhere for a minute.

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>>72954237
>>72957785
Fuck off, not a translation thread.

>>72957785
furusato

>>72957799
Thank.

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それふるさとって読むっけ

故郷
アーサー卿

http://moji.tekkai.com/zoom/%E5%8D%BF/page.html
http://moji.tekkai.com/zoom/%E9%83%B7/page.html

>>72954972
Because it's fun to do while procrastinating over my university studies.

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>>72955947
>helping smother suicidal thoughts
Same.

Here is another picture in exchange for yours.

探偵団の調査の足しにはなるかしら
足しにはなる are the same 足しになる?

>>72959796
Yes.
>as for help to the detective team's investigation, I wonder if it will become?
That's just the natural place to put the は if they want to add one. 足しになる is not one verb by itself, but a phrase with parts that can be separated.

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>決して彼女とセックスする
Is that a correct way to say "You will never have sex with her"?

>>72960738
>する
しない

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Noob question but what is all this? Why are there so many different ways to pronounce each kanji?

how do I change fonts on desktop Anki?

>>72961394
Because Japanese took their writing system from Chinese. Most kanji have Japanese and Chinese way of reading. Some of them have multiple readings (usually the basic kanji such as 中 which has many uses depending on context).

I have a really bad cold and don't feel like going out.

There is a pharmacy just down my street that delivers medicine. (I thought it was a health food place at first, before I noticed on street view that their mascot is actually a syringe instead of a sandwich.) Their sign is in English so I know for sure they delivery and I can get their number off google maps.

When I phone how do I properly ask them to deliver some medicine for my chest and nose congestion?

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>>72961394
this >>72961659
And it's the same for other languages as well, don't worry about it. And don't try and cram all the readings without knowing a word or two that uses it, it's inefficient.

> Why are there so many different ways to pronounce each kanji?

> 中
> in,inside,middle,mean,center

・・・

What does it say?

友達... とは言いにくいけど,
仲悪いわけではもちろんない, かな ?

>>72962148
Not a translation begging thread so fuck off

>>72961394
The readings in カタカナ are the 音読み, the imported readings based on how the character was pronounced in Chinese at the time. They're usually a single syllable like ちゅう or か or しん, but sometimes two when the Chinese word had a consonant on the end like -k or -ts (as in 直・チョク、ジキ、ジカ or 活・カツ). When there's more than one 音読み, it means the word was imported with different readings at different times, and they're generally classified into three different groups: 呉音、漢音、唐音 based on the time period and context. Chinese words are used in Japanese in a way similar to how Latin and Greek words are used in English, and have the same educated-sounded quality to them.

You can use the Chinese readings as nouns, as in 分, ブン or フン meaning portion or minute. They can also be combined with other words into verbs, as in 訳する, ヤクする meaning to translate, or adjectives like 凛たり, リンたり meaning cold or dignified. And they can also be combined together into compound words, either borrowed from Chinese or as new inventions by the Japanese.

The readings in ひらがな are the 訓読み, the native Japanese words that were assigned to the kanji by the Japanese. They have a much different sound to them than the one-syllable Chinese readings, as in 泉・いずみ or 源・みなもと. They can also be inflected words with okurigana endings, like 走る、早い、静か.

>>72962148
he is not my friend, but I'm not on bad terms with him. みたいな意味だよ

>>72961997
ちゅうしょくちゅうでかなえちゃんはあたりめをしゃぶりながらうちのおなかのちゅうしんにうちわをたてられていた。
昼食中で香苗ちゃんは当たりめをしゃぶりながら内のお腹の中心に団扇を立てられていた。
中食中で中ちゃんは中たりめをしゃぶりながら中のお中の中心にうちわを立てられていた。(´ε｀ )

where's the Anki collection.media folder in Anki?

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Who /learningthewronglanguage/ here?

>>72961805
What do you mean by pharmacy?
A drugstore? Or one of those little places next to the doctor's office that fills your scripts?

You should research the name of the medicine you want and ask for it.
If you called CVS and said "yeah man I gotta cough, you got anything for me" I'm pretty sure they'd tell you to fuck off

>>72961394
I would delete that field entirely from your deck tbqh. Don't worry about the readings on their own. Learn them through words.

>>72959539
Not an image but a short chapter from an anthology comic. The art style was soft and warm but I couldn't really read it at the time. It was pretty long into another drunken night at the time and it took ages but I looked up most of the words to piece together what I could and by the end there were tears in my eyes but for the first time in ages it provoked a deeply buried desire for humanity. The next day I sat down and spent some time online looking for grammar guides and things like that, so it was kind of one of the straw which broke the camels back and pushed me into wanting to seriously learn the language. Up until that point I had learned the kana and how they were pronounced via an app, but it was mainly something to do on my ipod touch during lunch at work.

Reading it now still makes me smile. Should probably focus more on warm things instead of spending time around here. (´・ω・｀)
https://my.mixtape.moe/pamoew.jpg


>>72965004
https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#file-locations

Reading Hanahira.

What is this "教えてくんないの"

>佳織ちゃん教えてくんないのー?

Is it actually "教えてくれない" ?

>>72970062
You are correct. ら・る・れ are often shortened to ん before ない or の.

>>72970062
yes

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>>72957575
>>72958954
Hey, you here, you might know. Why is this so interesting? I wasn't into Japanese cartoons or songs or whatever but bumped into quick guide with Hiragana on YouTube and process of learning was interesting. Then there is DJT kana site and learning had been fun so far. Why? It really bothers me why it's so much fun.
Kanji is up ahead for me. Is it going to be as fun?

>>72974043
Are you really crazy.

Once I learned the kana in 1 year. I would need to learn 23 years or so to learn the Jōyō kanj with this speed. Rate.

Reading the grammar is all fine and dandy, but where can I find some grammar exercises?
I've already done Genki, I'm looking for tons of exercises such the ones that we can find on the JLPT website.

>>72974508
kys/10

眠らないと癒せないものがある
と in this sentence mean "if"?

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>>72975061

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>>72974832
You'd probably be able to find that sort of thing in the N2 and N1 総まとめ and 完全マスター books in the CoR, as well as drill books for the 日本語能力試験 and ビジネス日本語能力テスト.

>>72975206
Yes.
"Don't sleep, and it won't heal."

>>72975425
Thanks a lot.

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>>72975675
Not sure is that was sarcastic or not. Hope you find something useful, either way. The CoR is full of random stuff.

>>72975907
Pardon me, didn't mean to sound sarcastic at all.
I think I'll go with the 完全マスター.

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>>72975998
From memory some of those books have missing answer sheets, something to keep in mind. There is a site that has a collection of these sorts of books, which should be the top result if you do a Google search for "yuki-nezumi blogspot", that may have answer books and more up to date versions of the stuff in the CoR.

>>72970062
>>72971091
>>72971093
The くれない here is the negative of 呉れる am I right?
Why the hell is neither rikai nor jisho telling me that it could be that?

Am I in the wrong here?

>>72976808
Because dictionaries don't account for slurred speech.

>>72976808
Tae Kim mentions this in his Complete Guide but not his Grammar Guide.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/slang_patterns

Not entirely related but I came across a cool site for 宮崎弁.
http://www.geocities.jp/mnjrh560/m-dic/html/index.html
http://www.geocities.jp/mnjrh560/m-dic/html/tdv214.html?#13159380390101
Some stupid part of myself has an urge to collect all these random dialect resources and put together a dictionary file for rikaisama.
さかしんぱち、what a word.

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>>72977453
用例:「わらぁー みやがっちょっと くらすど」

訳:
「あなた、調子に乗ってると叩きのめしますよ」

Hey, I've been watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes lately and was wondering if there are any good Anki decks specially for military and political terms?

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>>72978785
例訳:「あなたは威張っていると殴るよ」

I have been so inactive in this thread lately... But don't worry, DJT, it's me, not you.

>google image 叩き to see if its also a blackboard duster
>few pics of figures and girls bent over getting spanked
>>72979769
hi

>>72979242
Yes, you have been wondering that.

So is the に used in passive sentences the same particle as the に used for direction, or is it a completely different particle that happens to sound the same? Because I can't understand why you'd use に and not から when it represents a source and not a reciever.

>>72979794
By that response I'm guessing there's something bothering you? Perhaps you could tell us some more about it? What's the matter, Brazil.

>>72980021
There's some canuck here who has been posting some dumb shit that sounds straight from /pol/. Not sure if that's what he meant, but I get that feeling.

>>72979587
西日本風の口調だな。

>>72979885
Yes, it's the 格助詞 case-marking particle に.
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/166083/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%AB/
The directional meanings are definitions 2 through 5. The passive/causative usage is number 10.
>受け身・使役の相手・対象を表す。「犬―かまれた」「巣箱を子供たち―作らせる」

>>72980062
that's probably just the autistic BR who gets triggered by question marks used like this?

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>>72944496
Hello Nihongo Anons, Trying to get back into learning Japanese so I can go on a business trip sometime in the fall. Took 5 semesters of it for my business degree to minor in Asian Studies and fulfill the honors credit for language. Pretty much did both the cringey Genki books, and I've been stalling at level 6 on Wanikani since I started this year. Any suggestions on sorting myself out to get back in the groove?
ありがとうございます。

>>72953709
I think you wrote something like "As for John, he can kiss Sarah"
>>72953215
This are also probably wrong, I'm adding some kind of a ugly literal translation:
ジョンさんがサラだけ接吻していい
"As for John, it's ok to kiss sarah"
ジョンさんが接吻していい人わサラだけ(だ・です)
"The person/people who are okay to kiss Sarah are/is only John"

>>72981045
My understanding of なら is that it can be used to denote exclusivity
eg
>ひらがなならわかります
>I only understand hiragana

My guess was that 「サラさんなら接吻できる」 would therefore mean "sara is the only one who can be kissed" - so adding ジョンさんは at the start would mean "jon can only kiss sara".
Is that a valid use of なら?
I'm also not sure if using the potential form of する is correct in this situation or not. Does it depend on if it's meant to imply a capability to kiss or a rule that's being enforced?

>>72956129
So it is set in stone that you'll live in the Land Of The Rising Sun or is it just something you really want to do?

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Hey guys I'm going to Japan tomorrow, so you probably won't see my nice New Zealand flag around anymore. でも心配するな、俺はまだここにいるぜ

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>>72979781
>google image 叩き to see if its also a blackboard duster
>few pics of figures and girls bent over getting spanked

wtf lmao

>>72966464
I see, I'll try reading it on my own when I get time.

>>72979769 Here
>>72980062
I hope it wasn't me, one of my end goals is reading history books in Japanese.

I doubt anyone wants it but I did manage to find a nice link that breaks down the names of various military terms.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/handbook-japanese-military/japanese-military-terms-characters.html

>>72982381
Nice.
Find an old village with only a couple of old people left and claim it as your sovereign state.

>>72982381
Are you moving there or just going on a trip?

>>72983089
A little bit late but I was surprised at how useful Japanese wikipedia was for this sort of thing. The wiki page on 軍事略語 has a nice layout for making flash cards out of, if you're are keen for that.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/軍事略語一覧

Also found it rather curious that the Japanese wiki for 銀河英雄伝説 is so in depth that it has a lengthy separate page for the jargon used.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/銀河英雄伝説の用語#.E8.BB.8D.E4.BA.8B.E7.94.A8.E8.AA.9E

>>72984051
>Jargon
I didn't think I would find that at all.

If I ever get around to making a proper deck I'll be sure to post it for you guys.

>>72981379
Pretty much, not really sure when exactly but in a year or two I might be moving there.

>>72983753
Moving there for ~2 years, I'm going to be studying in a Japanese university, paid for by their government too.

>>72983525
No, I'm going to be living in the cities, sorry. Although I'm sure that would be fun.

>>72984335
>Moving there for ~2 years, I'm going to be studying in a Japanese university, paid for by their government too.
どうやって?

I'll be finishing the Basic DoJG deck in a few days, and I was thinking of suspending the deck once I'm done taking a read through the Intermediate DoJG before starting the Intermediate deck. Should I do that?
>>72984313
Can you tell me more about your situation? What do you work at? How did you get the job? Do you plan on staying?
I want to maybe go to nipland in the future, so please tell me everything you feel comfortable sharing

>>72984378
Monbukagakusho Scholarship. They pay for flights, accomodation, uni fees and living expenses, it's the best.

>>72984335
憧れだなぁ…
じゃあ俺の分もたっぷり楽しんでくれ

>>72984423
Going to sleep now will reply next thread if this one dies.

>>72984468
喜んで(・∀・)
楽しみだね

>>72984486
ミツー!ロケイたちおやちゅみ~

>>72984446
Shit, thanks for telling us this anon. I may actually apply for this.

>>72984335
>>72984446
How'd you get it?

>>72985231
Go for it, although I hear it's a lot harder to get in the US than NZ because way more applicants. But certainly worth it.

>>72985248
I got the research scholarship, which means I sent an application based off my grades in undergraduate uni and a research proposal (just something simple related to what you're studying). If they like your application you sit an easy Japanese and English exam and have an interview where you talk about why you want to study in Japan and the like.

>>72985409
>an interview where you talk about why you want to study in Japan and the like.
「志望動機は」
「パンツほしい!」

>黒字-the black, surplus
What is the black? I have never heard that before

>>72985641
The black, as in a business is in the black or red.

>>72985641
now you have

>>72985527
At that point I'd be bailing out of the closest window, head and shoulders first.

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>>72954972
I don't know why I'm learning Japanese anymore. My goal isn't clear, I'm not learning to read manga, watch shows or anything like that.

I just find the language very fun to learn. That's the only reason, I guess. I see the content I'll be able to understand as a bonus, not as a goal. I don't quite understand it myself.

Learning Japanese is just a hobby to me.

>>72985785
This pretty much. The initial goal was to read all those untranslated VNs and H-games but now I don't care anymore and just enjoy learning it.

>tfw電車でカツ丼をたべて、臭みからみんなジロジロ見た
(´・ω・｀)

>>72985984
>電車で
禁止じゃないか

>>72986030
電車で食べてもいいよ

>>72985527
嘘をつけばいい
「いや勉強や研究が超したいです、それがわたしの目的ですよ、本当です」
ところでインタビューは英語だった

>>72986113
lol, they'd see straight through that.

What about japanese culture is the most different to your home country?

>ニーズ
>needs
I thought it was niece.

>>72986821
If you had to katakana it, I would think ニース
But 姪 is the native word for it

What are some good books about late Tokugawa and Meiji-era Japan?

カタカナの発音はちょうど難しいね

アノンくんは幸せ?

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>>72980304
Different anon here, so then how does it work when you have the passive に function as well as directional に in the same sentence? Example from DoBJG included. Is it ambiguous as to which is which?

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/health/article/2017/03/30/want-eat-healthy-follow-example-japanese-child
面白い(´・ω・`)

To the Norwegian poster who kindly offered to rip digital manga: would you happen to have access to Bad Company by 藤沢とおる (Onizuka/湘南純愛組 prequel)?

螺子を巻くだけでは追いつかない
What 追いつかない does mean? Something like "is not enough"?

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>>72988053
>Want to eat healthy? Follow a Japanese child.
計画通り

>>72961805
Never mind. I phoned and "delivery health" is not a pharmacy.

>>72988331
They're selling dead tree versions of that manga with free domestic shipping for 70円 per volume. It must be so good to live in Japan if you're into manga.

>>72988927
What was it?

>>72988927
*On Rakuten

>>72989010
Some kind of callgirl service. They don't offer the type of decongestant I requested.

>>72989099
Kek, that's what I expected.
Good stuff anon.

Is その他 more commonly spoken as そのた, or そのほか? Is there even a difference?

>>72961805
>>72989099
>>72989237
How does a syringe imply a call girl service?

>>72987996
>Is it ambiguous as to which is which?
No, I'm pretty sure the sentence always means Mary had Steve come to her apartment, not Mary had her apartment come to Steve.

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>>72987996
>>72991618
May be misrecalling but I'm sure somewhere in the A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar sort of situation and the ambiguity therein is discussed. Can't find it now but off the top of my head the grammatical "rule of thumb" is that in these structures, the agent is marked with は and the affected (?) is always marked with the first に, with the location, whatever next. Meaning that the sentence couldn't arranged as
>メアリーはアパートにスティーブに来てもらった。

and still mean "Mary had Steve come to her apartment/Steve came to Mary's apartment for her."

メアリー is a dirty whore.

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>>72988053
>eat like a japanese child
>whose standards were setup long ago by sensible adults based on food costings
the west has no such problem with the price of foods and treats it as entertainment, so they are either overweight or obese. Zero self control

>>72985785
Same here. I'm sure I had reasons when I started, but now it's just out of sheer love for the language.

>>72988644
> 螺子
too difficult →ねじ
99% of Japanese can not read it.
追いつかない means 不十分.

> Something like "is not enough"?
Not bad at all.

>>72993205
rare

>>72990171
the same.
そのほか is a conversation language and そのた is formal roughly, but either is okay.

愛しているペルさん!!!

>>72990171
There are no rules in particular.
there is no problem using either one.

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>this many words for supper, dinner and breakfast

>>72994291
文句を言うな
さ、召し上がれ

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>wanna practice reading
>wanna read something new
>worried that I'll fuck up reading so I can't enjoy it.
>don't wanna read something I already know because I worry it will be too easy.
Help

Stop harassing me in every thread, Hiroshi.

>>72996728
>worried that I'll fuck up reading so I can't enjoy it.
Just fucking stop thinking that and read it anyway. Seems pretty simple.

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So, how soon should I start reading? Do I need to finish the Core2k and TK Grammar Guide first?

>>72944496
>こんな盛り場歩くの初めてだ… ヒイイおっかねぇだ
What is おっかね? Dialect?

>>72997750
I started reading yotsubato with the reading pack after i had finished tk and was at around 1000 ish? maybe less mature cards
it was rough as fk and i referenced the reading pack often, but just did it anyway

>>72997750
I started after about 1k SRS vocab and tae kim. Was hard in the beginning but I don't regret it.

>>72998031
>>72998246
I know it's going to be hard at first but I just want to start reading as soon as I can. I'm really behind on grammar though so I guess I'll start after reading all of that.

>>72988331
Nope, sorry.

>>72997764
dialect
おっかねえ=おっかない→怖い

Japanese people here, what do you think of your writing system? Do you honestly think it's sane, adequate system? I mean, yeah, native Japanese people (probably) don't have any problems with it, but you, if you can read this post, are exposed to a language which uses much simpler system. Can you know that language can use so little characters it could fit a single keyboard, that characters in language don't really need to have at least ten strokes to be a proper character, that language can connect characters into sequences sepatated by space to represent a concept instead of inventing a new character each time and still think that Japanese is logical?
I mean, you even invented two syllabic alphabets at some point (obviously, having just one will be too straightforward for Japanese), why won't you just admit that letters are superior? I mean seriously, Japanese is a great language for cryptography (well, it would be if no one knew about hieroglyphs, because the idea to represent each concept with a new character is so ridiculous and unefficient that no person unaware of hieroglyphical writing will ever figure this out), but the idea of using it as an actual language just looks like a joke.
Of course, I am just a stupid gaijin, so surely you do have your reasons to think that your language is superior other than that it's your native language and you not wanting to admit that your native language is insane, right?

>>73001889
You from /fl?

>>73001927
No, I'm not. What's the matter?

>>73001889
Stop whining and fuck off.

>>73001889

Their cumbersome language is probably one of their last pretexts to a relatively high level of isolationism, so I for one am glad of its mess.

>>73002576
Seriously, it's okay to admit that you're a fan of unnecessary complicated language. People learn Latin even nowadays, there's nothing wrong with learning something impractical. And it's much better to learn complex language since it's much more intresting.
Unnecessary complexity isn't a bad thing – it's actually awesome! Not for practical usage, though, and I wonder if even native speakers are able to percieve it as practical. Hence my post.

What was the roadmap of your first ~year of Japanese study?

I'm not sure how to start learning vocab, whether to use a premade Anki deck or start reading something simple and laboriously mine a deck from it, or use a textbook or something

>>73002029
Пoтoмy чтo yeбывaй тyдa, ccaный тpoлль.

>>73002974

Don't worry about mining so early, just do a premade core deck. It's going to cover very very common words that you are bound to see in all readings, while also reinforcing simple grammar that is bound to appear as well.

>>73002974
>What was the roadmap of your first ~year of Japanese study?

Read stuff. Take break when tired. Read stuff.

>>73003036
>>73002927

>>72987035
旋風伝
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4797333634
幕末魔法士
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4048683233
light novels of shinsen-gumi
http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/keyword/%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E3%83%8E%E3%83%99%E3%83%AB%20%E6%96%B0%E9%81%B8%E7%B5%84/

>>73002927
>unnecessary complicated language
Human languages are by nature memetic and are thus propagated by popular usage over time. The usage of the term "unnecessary" is meaningless in this context as what is truly unnecessary is phased out over time or adapted in a new manner by the grinding process of natural selection. In this case, the natural selection of language.
You are looking at the topic of language from the outside looking as though it were a finished process, when in reality you need to understand it as a constantly changing and highly adaptive process which as being going on for tens of thousands of years.

>Not for practical usage
All usage is practical, or else it would not be passed on. The only languages which are not for "practical usage" are the ones which are no longer used; the ones which are "dead" languages. You're looking at this as thought it were the blueprints to a machine made for a factory. It's not. A language isn't created and used by the masses after a long session of sitting down and writing rules for people to use.

Esperanto is an outlier.

>>72998870
Ah well. Thanks for checking.

>田中さんは刺身「 」食べられます
Tanaka がcan eat / をwill eat (narrative) / をwill eat (polite) sashimi.

What is 大人の社交場?
当世のカフェーなんて
文士や高等遊民の集まる大人の社交場?

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>>73006104
>大人の社交場

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How many kanji do you need to know before you can read a work of actual adult literature (not manga, VN, LN) comfortably?

I'm at 2,500 right now and I still see 5 new kanji a page.

>>73005983

So が in this construction necessarily will denote potential? If so, I'm going to keep that in mind as a handy trick. Though I feel like I remember reading that を was being used more and more with potential in recent times. It's frustrating how through reading, it feels like る ending godan verbs and ichidan verbs tend to be using the passive and potential the most.

>>73006104

What do you think it is? Assuming you are learning through English sources, I understand that is yet another factor for your own comprehension, but I feel confident you can figure it out lol.

>>73006104
It's just an old name for 発展場

How do I get better at recognizing verb conjugations? I'm on the second volume of Yotsuba and I keep reading conjugated verbs as completly different words? Should I just keep reading?

>>73007595
>What do you think it is?
There is something like "Adults social meeting place"

>>73007400
No furigana whatsoever? I thought 1k hyougai would be good measure after learning the Joyo.
Also, are these hyougai or jinmeiyou?

>>72996728
this >>72997411

You're way overthinking it. You will never accomplish anything if you sit on your ass worried about doing everything perfectly the first time.

>>72984423
This probably won't be very helpful, my mother is a japanese national so that's how I got the nationality, I don't really got a job there, I do freelance illustration and hopefully soon concept art too, I'm going there for some bureaucratic crap and I'm certainly going to stay for at least a few months, don't know if I'll go back to Argentina for a while after that, but the idea is to eventually fully move to japan.

>日本人ほどこういうのに対して差別とは思わないよ
>差へまつ反対派は気にし過ぎ

I don't understand the use of ほど here. It's from a comment about the overseas protest against the Netflix Death Note movie.

>>73010079

Maybe "I don't think there's a distinction between it and the typical Japanese person."? Assuming this is something about whitewashing Death Note. ほど can be a difficult particle to translate into English, and I am still struggling myself. Jay Rubin's short grammar book gives some decent tips for deciphering clauses marked with ほど.

I have aphantasia. Is this why I can't fucking remember any word?

What does this mean? アヤマツ√個人的きつかったランキング

>>73013396
I doubt it, visualisation and visual memory are totally separate functions. Maybe it would make mnemonic usage harder, but mnemonics aren't that useful anyway in the long run.

Samurai Gourmet is 10/10.

>>73013396
Heh, I don't have it, but I generally imagine words written with the roman alphabet in my mind, not as pictures/abstract concepts. That's why I'm very good at ortography and that's why learning Japanese is painful.

>>73013600
I think it's a Re:Zero reference.

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>>72991618
>>72992386
Thanks, guys. I'm really lucky there exists a place like /djt/ or I'd never learn this language. You all are amazing.

>>72985409
What program is this, exactly? And what caliber of research are they usually expecting? I'm one of the fortunate ones that might actually fit into this type of program.

Any good resources on pitch accent while I wait for some anon to get me the final Dogen videos?
>>73009366
Oh hey, that's pretty cool, does she help you? Also, do you look asian? It'd be pretty convenient to easily be able to pass as a japanese person so they don't treat you like a ばか外人.
>>72992386
Fuck nigga, I never expected that someone would actually make porn of fucking Genki Textbook. They really do make R34 of everything.

Is it better to say

お腹 は いっぱい
or
お腹 は 十分

>>73018134
お腹はいっぱい/お腹がいっぱい or 満腹だ

Is Rikaikun not working for anyone else?

>>73008151
>Should I just keep reading?
The answer to that question is always yes.
Identifying verbs in Yotsuba will be a bit harder than it needs to be because of the lack of kanji and slurred pronounciations, so I would recommend trying something else like zettai reiiki maybe if it really starts to get on your nerves.

>>73019689
>zettai reiiki
Is this an actual good recommendation? I thought it was just one guy posting it over and over again on /jp/

>>73019784
I don't even know desu, but it couldn't hurt to read it and find out.

>>73019784
It's cute and easy to read, nothing special.

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>>73007697
I think it's wrong...

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>>73007400

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>>73020154
much like mangakato

>>72986804
School girl paid dates
Shame
National Pride
Work ethic

Is this thread dead?

>>73022351
I'm here baby

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>>73022351
そうでない

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>counters

十字路

Is the literally 十 character road?

As in a road that looks likes like 十

Is crossroads

Japanese is cool

>>73022556
How many counters are hard for you?

1 counter?

Maybe 3 counters?

How many counters anon?

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>>73022556
擬態語と擬声語

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I use google translate to read all kanji posts

>>73022589
>>73022709
辻斬り

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>>73022589
Y字路・・・三叉路
T字路・・・丁字路(most people use not 丁 but T)thiijiro

アノンくんはホモかもしれない

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>>73022755
> 辻斬り
a random killer who wants to try the sharpness of his sword ;ﾟДﾟ)

*チンコを解凍してる*

*お前の後ろに瞬間移動する*

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>>73023394
は、早い

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>>73023394
バカな!

>>73023534
samefag

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>>73023172
遅い

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I don't understand shit

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>>73023667
こまえだくん
はホモ?

>>73023751
綺麗 です

>>73023394
個人的なことじゃない... キッド...

その昔航海士達は未踏の地を求め海洋に乗り出しました。

>>73024071
本当?(´・ω・`)

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I just realized Word Search puzzles must be retarded in Japanese.

And Crosswords must be piss-easy to create, since pretty much any combination will give you a word to work with on the other direction.

>>73024137
yessu (yes, desu)

>>73024071
やばい、 過度に漢字です

>Finally, we cover another type of negative that is used mostly by older men. Since 「ない」 is so long and difficult to say (sarcasm), you can shorten it to just 「ん」.
th-thanks for clarifying it was sarcasm

>>73024071
これだけ漢字があるから、中国語の文章方が日本語の文章よりみたいだ。

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>>73023708
おれも

いくらドイツ語を勉強しても、うまくならないの。

>>73024607
SAUCEEE

>>73024611
なぜドイツ語を勉強する?

>>73024764
naze nai??? (why not)

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>watching anime and shitposting on the DJT on a friday night while all the normies are out having fun
How was your week, guys?

>>73024995
勉強したらどう?

>>73014706
Google it and you'll see. They don't expect too high a level of research, basically anyone with an undergraduate degree should be able to do it. You just need to trick them into thinking you're there for study and not because you're a weeb.

Posting from Wellington Airport.

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>the state of me reading hand written kanji

>>73024995

やっぱりちょっと寂しいながらも、たくさん勉強になった、日本語、フランス語、弾き語り等について。結局嬉しいんだね。=)

>>73025127
だめ。勉強するよりむしろ2Dエロにオナニーをしてゲームをする方が好む。
(実は、本当に多少勉強するよ。)
>>73025446
大丈夫、アメリカちゃん、僕らは一緒にいる :)
(Did I say that right? I meant to say "We're all together", but I'm fairly certain that's not correct).

>>73025569
オナニーは悪いよ

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>>73024995
Shitposting all over 4chan while watching anime and sometimes playing some games every day for the past week

>>73025780
オナニーはものが残るのだけだ。

>>73025569

"僕らは一緒にいる"

Changing to が might make the sentiment a little more confident and determined. Also, 私たち and 俺たち/俺ら seem to be more frequent in that phrase looking on google, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is "wrong", of course.

However I also know that 僕がいる itself can have a romantic sentiment (maybe someone playing a bunch of date sims could confirm lol), in the context of being alone with a loved one. Outside of that context, it probably doesn't have that(?)...

>>73025929
I see, thanks for the answer.

I love my waifu

>>73025929
僕らはみんな一緒だよ
僕らはいつも一緒だよ

のような感じだと思う。。

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>>73026312
それを言っても彼女と話されるのか?どうしてまだ彼女の部国語を知ってないの?まさか愛しい人が嫌いだろうか?

>>73027049
??? mate you just typed japanese i don't understand shit

>>73027049
母国語*
Fix'd.

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>>73025780
適度のオナニーは健康にいいよ。
やりすぎは何事にもよくない。

>>73027599
適度とは毎日に二回くらい
だろうね

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>>73027802

>>73027827
二次元女子中学生はエロカワすぎて仕方があるまい
イチモツが勝てるわけあるか

>>73028246
一次元の方が純粋と思う。
俺の嫁を見せてあげる!
_________________________

>>73025161
That's awesome. Is this the program you used? http://www.japanvisa.com/visas/japan-college-student-visa

This is totally achievable for me - I have a really good academic record. But, I would only have a year and a half maybe before I'd be in Japan, assuming I go straight from undergrad to graduate with just the summer in between.

I'm doubtful I could learn Japanese that fast...

>>73031478
If you get the Monbukagakusho scholarship the embassy arranges your student visa for you, so yeah it's not a problem. I obviously went through the Japan embassy in NZ, you'd want to go through their embassy in your country.

When I sat the exam for the scholarship I'd only been learning for a year and a half, it's plenty doable if you love VNs. And you don't need to be that good, they offer you 6 months of language training when you get to Japan, although I turned that down because I don't think I need it.

Good luck, maybe I'll see you there. Posting from Sydney Airport.

Please translate ラムは何があっても怒りそうだったけども公式と刺し違えたくはならないいいキスだった!

>>73032078
Wow, that's really exciting. Thanks for sharing, really. I hope your studies go well and you enjoy your time there.

I'm going to try to get more serious about actively reading in addition to my grammar/Anki reps (and hopefully up my grammar study) to try to be ready.

>>73032078
>Monbukagakusho scholarship
Thanks, I've been reading about this. So, my goal is to reach at least N2 level in a year or so, then. I hope I can do it. I'm glad they give you six months of training, since I have a feeling I might need it.

>>73033211
Saw this program a few months earlier, but I've been graduated for almost 3 years already. Guess I'll never be an anime.

>>73032996
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it. And yeah reading lots is the best advice I can give for learning Japanese. For getting the scholarship though, make sure you keep on top of deadlines and requirements, knowing Japanese is less important than having a good research proposal and application and interview. My embassy hosted an explanation seminar where they explain what you have to do, check if yours does the same.

>>73033211
I hope I don't regret not doing the 6 months, it would've been useful for speaking and handwriting. I just didn't want to spend all my time with other gaijin and not Japanese people, and most of the Japanese I'll need to learn will be specialist vocab for my field of study anyway.

Hey guys, In the context of 週3でネギ買ってこよう, what does 週3 even mean?

>>73035022
Think it mean the same as 週三回.
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12151838187
Three times a week, that sort of thing?

>>73035225
Fair enough. So the 回 was skipped.

Thanks.

>>73035022
一週間にネギを3回買ってこよう。
だね。週3でネギってあんた…

When writing your own name in katakana does it have to be the exact same as the "official" pronunciation of the word? My last name is the name of semi-decently common object so it's a word in Japanese in some sense but I don't really like the sound of the "official" pronunciation so the way I write it is slightly different. Normally I wouldn't really care but I'm in kendo and need my name in katakana for my 名札.

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>>72944496
Was looking for a particular kbub reaction face and ended up instead buying the manga these reaction faces came from, because I couldn't find scans online. If anyone wants it, here is a link:

https://mega.nz/#F!MARWGCIC!ndDAtJAemJkwPytFqupHug

While flicking through the rip I noticed what I assume is a Captain Tsubasa reference. Worth it.

>>73036334
>If anyone wants it, here is a link:
ありがとう!

Is it true only fags say watashi?

>>73036334
Where do you buy digital manga from?

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>>73040590
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/0804f317ea0e3c7fa9e00c3ab1287174/
If you wanted any help creating a Rakuten account I could lend a hand with the address details you'll need to fake.

>>73035788
You can write it how you pronounce it or the way it is commonly pronounced in Japanese (if it is used in Japanese).

For example, you can write "Wolf" as either "ウォーフ" or "ウルフ". Your name, your choice.

>>73040012
No.

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>>73040751
Nah, right now my Japanese is to the point where I've gotten most of the hiragana down, but nowhere near to the point where I can start reading material.

.....and I'm broke.

>>73041000
ぷう・いん・ざ・るう

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>>73041000
Fair, fair.
Getting over the initial phonetic hurdle is the hard part, the rest is years of grinding away at a glacial pace.

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>>73037384
you better fucking buy it too

>>73041274
残念ながら, 貧乏人です

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>>73041403

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>>73042146

>the kanji for "mix" is basically "watered down descendants"

>>73034737

Do you have any info on similar programs to this for people who are part way through a PhD? Although the one of my field's biggest conferences is being held in Japan next year so I'll probably be going there regardless, it'd be cool to do a year of postdoc work in Japan after I finish.

>>73043303
Which "mix" are you referring to?
混ぜる
交わす
溶く
雑える
合する
Or are you referring to something like RTK keywords? Descendant looks more like a child with a tied up child next to it, 子孫.

Is there a site/tool where I could see a particular kaji used in a simple sentece without having other kanji's in that sentence into a minimum so I could focus on the kanji I'm studying?

>>73045130
That's the opposite of what you should be doing.

>>73031099
she is a very beautiful line