Which country was more beneficial for the progress of the human

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>>72887945

Ussr

Put dog in space,big accomplishment amazing achievement

They were both harmful to the progress of human civilization

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>>72887977
> World without us

>>72887945
America because it prevented Soviet takeover of Western Europe.
The best thing would have been for both Americans and Soviets to fuck off and leave the rest of the world alone but if you have to choose between capitalism under the US or a centrally planned economy single party state by the Soviets then it is an easy choice.

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>>72887945
This one.

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Bcё гeниaльнoe пpocтo.

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>>72888278
>Austrian flag
>this post

>>72888235
I'm not asking about what was more profitable for Europe.

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>>72888278
Calm down, Adolph!

>>72887945
Tunisia desu

>>72888338
Third time is the charm.

>>72887945
US by FAR, Soviets don't come close

thanks to ussr we know that communism is shit
that's big step for humanity

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The USSR.

>>72888579
I'm sure you can't say what communism is, Laurencjusz

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>>72888721
kys

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>>72888798
No, you killed yourself, Adolph.

Ancient China, Rome, England , Third Reich, Soviet Union, USA, Japan.

>>72889369
Not memeing, but what exactly did the soviet union do for positive things?

Because I can name exactly zero things.

>>72887945
The United States,

>bankrolled electricity
>made automobiles and other expensive technologies affordable to the common man

Yes the USSR had brilliant people working for it and created many new, useful technologies, but this was despite an authoritarian regime that stifled creativity and removed all incentive to innovate, not because of it.

Free trade and democracy has done much more for the world than the USSR ever could.

>>72889663
The first man and animal in space, nuclear power, new human rights, many great deals for people on the territory of the former Russian empire, etc, etc
Nothing special.

>>72889663
Space/Military equipment

>>72889752

> Yes the USSR had brilliant people working for it and created many new, useful technologies, but this was despite an authoritarian regime that stifled creativity and removed all incentive to innovate, not because of it.
For example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez

>>72889663
A shit ton of scientific progress and art (literature, theatre, film, etc etc)

Both

>>72889663
like emm.. and you know that..

>>72887945
Ussr

>>72890171
> polish education

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>>72888278
JUST

>>72890029
I agree, it's a positive thing for a country's population to be literate. The US doesn't even have as good a literacy rate as some communist countries, but just because everyone can read doesn't mean everyone can contribute to moving the country forward innovation-wise. If everyone is just reading propaganda, and no critical thinking is going on, then there's no point. You have a bunch of people who are smart enough for more complicated technical jobs, but who aren't really thinking outside the box on anything they do.

>>72887945
monaco

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>>72890280
>legal exceptions for works of art

>>72890354
> . If everyone is just reading propaganda
Sorry, but it seems like you do this. There were a lot of very good books written in the USSR, (literally 90%, hehe) and there were no state propaganda, there were just propaganda of workers' rights, kindness, justice and stuff like this. State propaganda was situated mainly in books related with politics.

The Soviet Union was pretty good but only the later years desu

>>72890813
>each worker has the right to three potatoes a day

>>72890893
8 hours of work ;)

>>72890813
>literally 90% of good books written in USSR
[citation needed]

The government is still actively reminding you of its values through the literature. Even if it's only "nice" stuff, it's still propaganda.

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>>72890916
Capitalists work 6 hours a week. :^)

>>72891191
A day.

The US obviously, but it's cool and edgy to hate America and love Russia

>>72891182
> nice in quotes
Then, if there is no anything bad in this propaganda, why is it considered as the terrible evil in your country?

>>72891351
When we had to vote for the European constitution we got this shit on tv. Better vote in favour of the EU guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxmBhkccWvY

>>72891191
And because of what you work 6 hours a day, hmm? ;/

>>72890813
T. Jewish-bolshevik.

>>72891489
It's actually that a lot of people don't work on friday.
If you earn enough money to live off in four days, then there is no need to work a fifth.

>>72891572
And a lot of women work two or three days. Which also weighs in.

>>72891572
>>72891622
argh, I mean that capitalistic countries introduced these laws, because they didn't want to have proletarian revolution like in Russia. And as these laws appeared in Soviets, they appeared in your states.

>>72891797
>[citation needed]

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Without any doubt the USSR. It's the future, it failed because it was much ahead of its time.
How many times and how many lives have been given to human progress? Countless.
The same people who advocate american model now are the same people who advocated slavery in roman time, the same people who advocated feudalism and the same people who advocated monarchy in the time of french revolution.
While future models may not be called communism they will sure have a lot in common with it, it layed the foundations for future and it will never die. People will always struggle to advance and always they will eventually come to the same or similar idea, no matter how it will be called. It will be carried in us, by our offsprings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>>72891870
>Countless
Such as?

China, Russia, UK, the one who invented arabic numbers, Germany.

>>72891797
True. The Russian revolution was in 1917. And we implemented the 8 hour workweek in 1919.

>>72891938
Guns in the Netherlands were also banned in 1919.

>>72887945
Only a Russian would ask this.

Plenty of great scientists, but the country itself stalled the development a great deal.

>>72887965
The Soviet Union existed for only 69 years, while the USA exists since 241 years. They just had more time and could therefore achieve more.

>>72893409
I'm pretty sure killing your intellectuals doesn't help either.

>>72891923
What? Do you know how to read? I was talking about how our systems evolved trough history to what they are now, sometimes they go back but eventually they keep going forward

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>>72887945
tfw my country fought against both countries

>>72893733
Forgive us, please. Soviet people and the Chinese aren't enemies, it's just a khruschev's meme

>>72893851
of course, it's just a little fight between brothers, nothing like the Korean war

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the Soviet union exported the worst ideology in the world

therefore, the United States

>>72887945
>US spread Capitalism, but also McCarthyism
>USSR spread technology, but also Stalinism
both were equally contributive and destructive (although capitalism wasn't necessarily beneficial, just different from communism.)

>>72889954
Positive rights don't exist.

>>72897755
>McCarthy
Unjustly accused some people of being communist, carried on the charade for a bit then got censured and kicked out of office
>Stalin
Killed millions of his own people, murdered his political opponents, ruled as a dictator with an iron fist

Ah, yes, totally comparable.

>>72897936
>Positive rights don't exist.
*tips fedora*

Here we have the right to education for example. How is that not a positive right?

>>72898012
No, the government has a responsibility to ensure its people are educated, safe, and healthy. This is not the same as having a natural right to these things.

>>72898142
It might not be a natural right, but it's still a constitutional right here.

>>72889954
>new human rights
You took that from our constitution, tho

>>72888278
More like taking it back to the stone age

>>72887945
US by so much it's not even funny

>>72888278
This, majority of posters probably wouldn't be alive if WW2 never happened.

>Grandparents on my dads side moved from Poland after WW2

>>72888278
>get millions of white people killed
>progress

>>72888149
WE

>>72887945
I honestly think we contributed much, but both we were two of the greatest rival civilizations, and despite the tensions both US and USSR were extremely civil compared to other historical examples.

>>72887945

USSR.

>>72889663
the smallpox erradication program was proposed by the USSR

>>72887945
U.S.S.R.