Lets say you had £100k/115k Euro to spend on a house in Europe,

>>72835194
either Poland or Croatia

Or buy a shitty flat in your area and let it out for income while you rent before settling.. Spane is the one I think, for me.

>>72835350
never been there but I love Greek food, is it more expensive?

>>72835194
Slovenia. Beautiful country that no one gives a shit about.

I can have a good house with that much money.
I guess i'd chose to build it on some provençal hill.

>>72835194
Whcih one is located in Alps?
Slovenia or Slovakia? Probably there. Or maybe will get some house in Sweden

>>72835384
Another thought: If you have proof of income then borrowing money is cheap rn. Take the money that you would have tied up in the property (borrowed at 3% lets say) and put it in some index funds/p2p lending or something (that yield more than that obviously)

>>72835194

Poland, Bieszczady mountains

>>72835390
greece is beautiful, and cheap in the slums.
It has lots of rural islands, so the property will probably be cheap, but expensive and very inconveient for groceries/dental and other stuff.
Just a guess, only went to greece once.

Best place in europe, except the food is boring (good lamb).

>>72835589
where is the best place to go fishing in Poland?

>>72835606
but with only 100k I think eastern Europe would be best, especially if you want some land to go with your house
I didn't think Greek food was boring, ate at their places all the time in Germany

>>72835194

I'd buy this ugly little house rather near one of Sweden's largest ski resorts. It's actually a steal.

https://objekt.fastighetsbyran.se/Objekt/?source=Hemnet&ObjektId=1692050&images=1

>>72835194
I wouldn't.

>>72835894
In usa we have these factories that make prefab homes.
Basically you get a nice home for about 100,000 that they can build anywhere.

Why are homes so outrageous in Europe?
I looked at Finland and people were asking like 1,100,000 Euros for a 300 sq meter home.

It was in espoo, but it didn't have anything special like water front a view, or even acreage.

Why are buildings so overpriced in Europe (hint: it has nothing to do with cost of labor, because factory homes you need expensive machines not labor).

>>72835194
>Ireland
>Croatia
>Cornwall
>Portugal
If morocco was an option, I would pick it

>>72836072
Athens, any major city.
I was looking at the cheapest single family homes (detached homes) in cities, there are a lot of what I would call slums.

>>72836126
I worked for a schreinerei in Germany for a few months, labor was close to same from what I saw, but materials and were a little more, land was a lot more. When they told me the prices of the land I thought they were fucking with me.

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>>72836126

You don't think we have prefab? They're cheap as hell, and of much higher quality than yours.

It's location that dictates what you pay.

Plymouth UK

>>72836488
>summer
isn't that 3 weeks in sweden?

>>72836126
Taxes and bubbles that never popped.

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I forgot that I was writing with an american.

>>72836488

I wouldn't think so.

>>72836577
You are Turk

He's a Turk who pretends to be Greek because he was rejected by his kin on /int/. He's sad, ugly and inbred and derails threads with his bullshit spamming

Here is his story

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/61519569/#q61527690


Mother and father are village people.
Mother was never allowed schooling or any kind of education, was later sold as a nanny under the guise of marriage and suffered my grandmother from my father's side.
It is really a cliche, I shit you not.
She became pregnant with me and I learned later she tried to kill herself with me.
Never wanted me, used me to vent her frustration at how unfair life is.
Threatened and punished me for no reason and made me feel worthless.
Nowadays she is like "I didn't do anything like that :^) it was your own fault for being like that:^)
Why can't you be like these healthily raised children :^) why you got no gf :^) you see me so much in other women that you gave up at any normal relationship :^) Something happened by our own fault?
Your fault, should have told us what we did wrong while you were not there to warn us :^)
Like we would ever listen to a child, kek!"

That said, I left and now she harps on my younger brother's.
That's life

>23
>laz
>short
>fat
>ugly
>dumb
>unemployed

>clean your room they said
I never did
>go get some bread they said
I said I don't want to
>get off the pc they said
I got off 15 hours later
>get a new haircut they said
I cut it myself
>go out and hang out with girls they said
I fuck my hand
>you're worthless
I cry
>shave your face
I shave my ass
>leave the house, go out
I go to toilet
>even kids speak better turkish than you do
>I'm gonna get rid of you soon
>you ate everything in the refrigerator again?
>I was working at your age
>He's your son, you tell him
>What should I say? He doesn't listen
>I don't want to see you like this
>your manboobs are bigger than mine

If allah exists, why hasn't he taken my life yet?

>>72836605
Whats the average temperature in summer there?

>>72836149
>>Ireland

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry m8, you couldn't buy a fucking shed in Ireland for £115k

>>72836577
why greeks hate usa?

If you're white, move to an Eastern European country like Hungary or Ukraine.

>>72836397
lands the killer yeah.

>>72836419
>schreinerei
how much would that property go for?

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>>72836706
Only in a city. Pic related is probably the kind of house Canadabro is imagining. It's €100,000.

http://www.sherryfitz.ie/residential/for-sale/61696?orderBy=3

>>72836662

Below 20°C.

>>72837048
>schreinerei

What?

>>72837048
>how much would that property go for?

Depends on its location.

Somewhere in a cheaper but comfy area like Estonia or the Czech Republic

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>>72835194
That's not a lot of money. I would try to find a home in rural Scandanvia if possible

>>72837048
>how much would that property go for?
how ever much the land costs + material + labour + markup

protip: an acre of land is worth £1mm give-or-take in my area

>>72837308
>an acre of land is worth £1mm
Holy fuckaroo, so that's about 1.5 million dollars?

Rural Ireland, Wales, or France

>>72837308
Why doesn't the UK have lebensraum?

>>72837424
>£1mm

it's $1.25 million, pleb.

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Buy 1ha and build your home using your hands. Here in South Brazil, is a practical transition from boyhood and manhood.

>>72835194
bulgarianproperties.com find it for half the price

>>72837472
it does but not round here. i live in the most expensive part of the uk that's not london ;_;

>>72837501
delet

>>72837501
danke
middle of nowhere land in the midwest by me can be had for around $500 per acre

>>72837545
>here in south brazil
It's in the entire Brazil, dumb fucker

Are any European countries half decent for shooting?

Are places like Finland even fucked?

>>72837678
I don't live in the entire Brazil. I don't know the traditions of any place above Paraná...

>>72837753
Switzerland and Hungary

This house seems alright.

http://beskrivningar.capitex.se/allimagelist.aspx?GUID=4IJ2NA2FR2T62R19&TYP=CMLantbruk&Skin=Storsjomaklarna

>>72837753
England is fine for shooting as long as your not a criminal or depressed.

>>72837753

Sweden is probably the best place in the EU, I'd say.

>>72837806
If you don't know that this is part of your culture for fuck sake you live in a bobble

>>72835194
Germany of course

>>72835194
France, mediterranean.

I have a UK passport, but I can EZ get an Irish one through my mum, is moving to another EU country really easy then? Almost like you are just moving to another part of the country you normally reside in?

>>72837545
>build with your own hands

your houses must be absolutely shit tier in quality unless you contract out some parts/roles.

>>72837953
suspect the former

>>72837953
They are shit tier, we use brick what make it easier, but they are absoletly shitty houses

>>72837753
school shootings?

>>72837816
looking at EU property makes me think aamerican property is very underpriced.

>£100k/115k Euro
My flat in a commieblock costs more lul.

>>72838149
lul wat?

>>72835194
100k euro buys a nice(100sq meter) house in the countryside basically anywhere in france, I'd stay home because I like the weather

>>72838149

Wow, Russia rich!

>>72838142

No, it's probably overvalued again. You're in for another correction soon.

>>72838293
https://www.homepath.com/listing/1618-w-15th-st-port-angeles-wa-98363-46306532

I can rent this to a single 50 year old white lady with decent credit for 1200 a month

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>>72837880
Dude, Brazil has 200M habs. Do you really expect me to understand the traditions of a country that is bigger than a few continents?

Hey OP. What do you think about Brazil? I got some land here to sell for cheap.
6ha of good and fertile land (had not being cultivated for the last 5 years, so soon i finish clean this, will look like virgin land). Few km from a small town here in "muhh german heritage" south Brazil.
I would not lie to you, there are a few niggers living near by, but they don't do shit (because if they do, you can shoot them and police would not give 2 fucks about dead niggers in your property).
Soil is good, some places it has a massive bedrock of basalt exposed, but we had used this places for growing live stock anyways...
It's kind of easy to dig a shallow well, and get you free pure water (i testes it few years back. No arsenic or any heavy metal).
It also have 2 houses (they are ugly as fuck, but my parents never care to much about aesthetics, and a place to dry tobacco.
My grandfather rise 3 children here planting only 4ha...

>Latvia
>Czechia
>Iceland
>Norway
don't think you'd be able to buy much in the last two though

>>72837163
Not gonna lie I would love to live there.

>>72838431
residential yields 5% average here but can go up to 10% if you're thrifty (which that's just shy of)

not bad though

>>72838431

What are you trying to illustrate?

I'd probably stay here or maybe sweden and that's only cause it's so similar and house myself in some nice summergottage by the lake or sea.


>>72836126
>I looked at Finland and people were asking like 1,100,000 Euros for a 300 sq meter home.

Location location location. You have to pay insane amounts of money even for flat in downtown helsinki.

>>72835194
Not yurope

fuck no

as far away from this evil continent as possible

>>72838666
I can get UK citizenship very easily due to family

It looks like a nicer country due to being able to walk places (I hate cars/driving), where could I get a 10% cap rate property other than Bradford, Blackpool, or Hull (the nasty north cities)?

Our loans are much better than yours, 30 years fixed, with 25% downpayment if your renting it out from the get go (20% to live in it) at 4.5%.

What are your loan terms like?

I would rather live in UK, but american real estate landlording seems much better than doing the same business in UK.

>>72838149

sacred lenin I never knew nigger project blocks were so over priced in russia

even niggers in USA have it far more easy there

>>72838724
I want to become a professional landlord 20+ units.

America seems better in terms of capitalization rate (income/sales price), 30 year fixed long term loans, and smaller investment to get into the business.

How can europe compete?
(I admit I would rather live in Europe, due to better walkable cities and closer vacation spots).

>>72838724
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/20063027/275-N-Broadway-Coos-Bay-OR/

Stagnant town, but cool building (you can buy it for less than $800,000 down payment)

>>72838898
30 points down usually. slightly cheaper to borrow (but more difficult.)

you have to think of property not only in rental yields but capital gains. you seem to get it though, in the sense that rental yields are squeezed where capital gains are highest.. (london/se vs up north)

american real estate is definetely a better business, but can go horribly wrong in a way it can't really here, being that this is a small island and everyone needs somewhere to live..

stamp duty is the biggest killer rn: they levy an extra 3% on 2nd homes, and you can't hide from it with a corporate structure.

>>72839042
>I want to become a professional landlord 20+ units.

Brotip, never rent to blacks.
Most of them will not trash it, but the one who do it...
My uncle had a house rented for a family of niggers, the only way to remove them was to collect a lot of graveyard flowers and crows, and hang around their fence. The next day they had moved. But not without rip the coper wire from the walls and even stole a fucking door.

>>72839042
>>72838898

>America seems better in terms of capitalization rate (income/sales price), 30 year fixed long term loans, and smaller investment to get into the business.
>30 years fixed, with 25% downpayment if your renting it out from the get go (20% to live in it) at 4.5%.

The terms here are usually something like 30 years (or more), 2.5% fixed interest, %15 down flat. Sounds like better terms desu senpai.

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I'd take out another 15k Euro and buy something like this on our seaside. I seriously doubt I'd get something better in a more expensive country with 115k E.

http://www.ablena.bg/offer.php?id=603

>>72839188
yeah here where I live in bay area, cap rates are 2.5%, but everyone negative gears (asians), and it is the richest/best job market in USA by 2-3 anywhere else, so people are willing to lose money every year to own real estate. They expect rents + appreciation to rise, faster than their loan interest + holding cost.

>>72839374
are you sure, that the loans are 100% fixed, and not variable, or adjusted for CPI, or swedish bank?

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I would buy some cheap as fuck old beautiful house in east germany for 2-5k (yes some are that cheap+land) remove the core and try to build some mostly self sufficent ecohome in it, maybe I can even get into hydroponic farming with the rest of the money and live the comfy live.

>>72839472

Probably something like 10 years actually.

>>72839472
fixed rate here (10 years) would be around that much at the moment. fuck vr when the br is so low.

>>72839374
>2,5 fixed
Bretty damn good. The best fixed I can get here is 4%.

>>72839487
Granted that looks fucking cool, but is that area not basically the Detroit of the states, also is the building safe, shit like mold and structural integrity end up.

>>72835894
I like the hundgård

>>72835543
slovenia

>>72839629
There are many old houses there that are less fucked, you can buy up whole trainstations in the middle of nothing. As I said, id use the money to remove the core and only let the shell of the building standing to carry the new inside.
>Detroit
No jobs if you are lowly qualified but safe and without foreigners. This is why id seek self sufficent living so I dont need much income but still enjoy a high quality of live. Would be a plan when id have a family and that great amount of money. Making cash by an internet job should still be possible or if I get into engineering dunnoh. Its just fantasy.

The tabloid news here report on some mold house story at least every month. Some celebrity bought a mold house. Or some nobody is fighting over a 500k mold house in court.

Mold mold mold. One of the most important things to consider when building long-term here, because the other most important thing is heat retention. Increasing heat retention increases mold retention.

>>72835194
>100k Euro

I'd come to the US and buy a house anywhere I fuckin want and still be able to pocket the extra 30k

>>72840003
they force people to do this in some "hip" cities here.
"remove the core and only let the shell of the building standing to carry the new inside"

It's super expensive, and no one voluntary does it. It is bullshit rules, to make hosuing more expensive, and employ more construction workers. Ideally you would bull doze, and pop-up a 4 plex, or 8-16 unit building; if you were in a working class area of a growing city.

>>72836149
For £100k you could buy a cardboard box in cornwall.

Sardinia, Corsica or Greece. I want to save enough money to retire early and be a rural farmer that reads books all day

>>72840244
you must be from east coast, texas or the midwest

>>72840332
farmer reading books all day?
How the hell do you plan to run your farm, hire/fire illegal african laborers, sell your produce/livestock, buy your feed, move your feed, and make a profit if your reading books all day?

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Brandenburg.

>cheap, empty and ethnically homogenous
>buy a weekend bungalow and live full time
This one's around 45sqm/500sqft on a 740sqm/8500sqft property and costs 42k€/£36k/$46k. Wholly enough for a single person.

>>72839487
Why is this so cheap?

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>>72840842
It's basically beyond saving and will swallow thousands upon thousands just to tear down to end up with an empty lot, and then you'd have to build something new for a quarter million.

There are also countless historical rural estates of nobility for sale for pennies in eastern Germany, but they'd swallow a minor fortune to renovate. Hell, if towns are the owners they'll hand them to you for free under the obligation of renovating them.

>>72840244

Id fucking love to come to the US, but you have proper immigration laws, so I cant.

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>>72836126
Land. Germany houses a quarter of the American population in an area the size of Montana. We're not living like sardines by any means but it naturally makes certain things more expensive.

Also in recent years inane regulations on shit like insulation in building codes has made new constructions a lot more expensive.

If I ever get around to building a house I'm going to try to trick the stupid regulations in any way I can. And if I have to put wheels on it or make it float, then so be it.

>>72841016
Beside a new plaster from outside, and probably all wood from inside, what is wrong with them?

And what words can i use to search in youtube for this kind of building?

>>72840244
If there's something worse than American immigration laws, it's American education on American immigration laws. No wonder they're never going to change if you still think people can simply "come to the US".

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You should have been here when the state sold this place for 1 SEK

>>72841350
There are easy ways in, 85% of legal immigrants come via family members. The other 15% are all active/passive investors and skilled migrants who are about 80% chinese nationals, and 10% indian nationals.

>>72841464
Why? I honestly don't understand this thing about European real state.

>>72841350
school is easiest and cheapest, america pays foreigners to go to school here, about 7k-12k a year.

>>72841511
options:
$500k or marry a yank

not him, but i've looked at it before.

>>72841402
You'd have to remove all the plaster inside as well, lay new electrical circuits and plumbing, redo all the plaster inside, redo all the floors and ceilings, install new windows, install additional insulation, list probably goes on because I haven't really got a clue about construction and have probably forgot half the stuff, all while adhering to special renovation restrictions regarding historical buildings.

>>72841543

It's an old insane asylum in the middle of nowhere.

>>72841402
>>72841595
Also good Youtube keywords are probably "Gutshof" or "verlassenes Schloss".

>>72841511
Great, now how about those who don't have family in the US and don't have a million dollars to invest to buy themselves a Green Card?

>>72841658
get a degree
get a job with an american firm
stay with that firm while renewing visa several times before residency etc

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Bought three bunkers of the state.

$193k - 50000 m2 - Air Command Center
$22.8k - 12000 m2 - Radar Center
$0 - 10000 m2 - Ammo depot

Best part is that underground structures are not taxable in Sweden. Never knew an nontaxable thing existed before.

>>72841658
go to community college. take minimum amount of classes for student visa, apply for FASFA.

congratulations, in 2-4 years you will get your greencard, and america will pay you for it!

>>72841598
So what? That piece of land that i try to sell in this thread, has around 30 natives buried somewhere. And no, they did not die in a pacific way...
People care about "ghosts" in first world country?
>>72841595
Honestly, i have helped friends when they build or expand their homes, and old plaster is not hard at all to remove. The wood can get expensive depending in what you going to use (or where do you buy it, i assume that Germany has a raping price for a piece of wood).
I don't understand shit about insulation, so i don't have any idea of how much this cost (it's Brazil. We never got freezing temperatures)...

How i can search for this type of building on youtube?

>>72841543
They sold it for 1 sek if the buyer could prive they had plans for it, since it would cost a fortune to renovat ethe state didnt want it. So some shady estonian company bought it and fucked of the face of back to estonia. Now it has been vandalised and in disrepair for many years. Someone even tried to burn it down this week.

>>72841764
My 3.5 years apprenticeship is worth as much as a 2 years associate degree in the US - IF I'M LUCKY. Even though you cunts are already a year behind us when you're leaving school.

>>72841792
only asians care about ghosts

>>72841631
thanks...

>>72841761
Fucking sweet as. What do you use them for?

>>72841810
>all these typos
Im on ipad

>>72841631
look here
>>72841792

>>72841831
i would rather have an apprenticeship than a bullshit community college degree.

How can i immigrate to germany?
I want to be a septic tank pumper

>>72841810
No one think about recycle the building? There is millions in material laying there...

>>72841761

It would pretty odd to tax someone for empty space.

>>72841861

He's preparing for the race war, I guess.

>>72841885
>How can i immigrate to germany?
Muhh german heritage works some times.
Brazil allow people to have double citizenship, i don't know if america does.

You can get all the info in the embassy website.

>>72841761
Ooohh, you are that guy from /k/. Or there is another crazy silo dweller.

>>72841792

It's just a real piece of shit that's going to be real costly to do anything with. If you want land, there is plenty and much better land to get for cheap.

>>72841885
artists visa m8

>>72841885
We have apprenticeships for some pretty stupid, simple things like ice cream maker, but from what I know septic tank pumper isn't one of them. The most important thing would be a truck driver's license. Personally I'm a draftsman.

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>>72841914
The estonian ripped out all the copper wiring andotjer valuables when they left. All that is left now is concrete and wood. It would cost an insane ammount of money to renovate it now, viritually eberything in there is broken and molding. Best thing to do is bring it to the ground.
If you want to see pics its called björknäs sjukhem, though all the pics are from a feq years ago and it look much much worse now

>>72841861
Nothing yet, still renovating.

>>72842056
>It's just a real piece of shit that's going to be real costly to do anything with.
You are right. Here in Brazil, I could hire few niggers and pay them R$5 (1,50€) per hour to tear it down, hammer the concrete away, and pile the bricks.
I would make a small fortune because some fags love the "reclaimed bricks".
But in Sweden, heh. Probably to expensive to hire someone to do this kind of thing.

>>72842137
yeah, I don't really want to go to school
I don't mind digging/laboring for a septic tank pumper, until i get my license.
Does germany offer commercial truck driving tests in English?

>>72842208
Plans?

>>72842276
You NEED German to live there m8.

>>72842312
Why can't they accept English as the superior language?

That's the problem with immigration, everyone in the world speaks english, but we don't speak their dieing languages, they immigrate here, but we can't immigrate there.

>>72842264
It absolutely massive, would take years to tear down by hand, and simce the estonians legally own it there is nothing anyone can to to it withput their permission, and they have dissapeared.

>>72842208

This thread should now be about your bunker(s). Post more pics and we'll enjoy them.

>>72842382
This is a big problem with freedom of movement for the UK in the EU, yes. But if you're going to move somewhere, you should probably learn the language

>>72842413
Also this

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>>72842413
before/after

>>72842382
By that logic we should all learn Mandarin.

>>72842552
there are more english speakers in china than USA

>>72842530

I'd imagine even simple things like managing all the keys everywhere must be kind of a handful. Is it just you and some contractors working on these properties, or do you have like a partner or something?

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>>72842391
>It absolutely massive, would take years to tear down by hand
You never seeing someone doing this? Lel. A building of this size will take 2 months (if it was made all in bricks) to a few niggers tear down.
You can scrap 4 to 6 brick at the same time if you have strong arms...

Destroy is way faster than build.

Also, back when my father move, and buy a peice of land that has nothing outside sandstone. He employed 3 niggers, who get paid by stone. Take 3 months to level the place and get so much stone, that i have enough to build a mansion.

Pic related (he and my mother never cared too much about beauty, they grown in a farm and act like they are still on a farm)

>>72842969
The building in your pic is maybe 1/30 the size of björknäs. I really cant find i pic that capures the whole thing. There are 6 floors and a massive basement, and its not just brick but mostly cement, theres also a shit ton asbestos wet by rain, so standing in there hammering away for days wound not be good for your health

>>72843347
>your health
Keep concrete humid and it wouldn't create dust.
>your pic is maybe 1/30 the size of björknäs
Dude, is just my parents house.

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>>72842969
Also, i agree with you that it sould be scapped and rhe materials sold, but have i not allread ysaid that noone can do anything to it legally since it still belongs to those estonians?

>>72843531
>asbestos
Gives you cancer. Needs to be specially removed. btw >>72842969 looks beautiful to me. Dream set up.

>>72835194
east alps

>>72843531
Yeah and you said a building ofthe size in your pic would take 2 mounts to bring down by hand? If björknäs is 30 times larger, 2x30=60 12months a year = 5 years.

>>72843532
I just gave an example. Is not like i was planing to caught a flight with a handful of blacks and give them a 8km hammer...
Also, why they close the asylum?

>>72843592
You can do way better. My dad is a little bit crazy (so my mom) and they build a 4/10 house. (they did not have money back in time, so they build it by themselves)
>>72843661
My parents house would take 2 days to tear down. Most of the work would be the concrete from the first and second floor (winch is 30cm wide reinforced with a shitload of steel).

>>72835194
I'd move to Southern Spain. Somewhere like Cadiz or Santa Maria. All seasons and nice and quiet.

>>72843661
You, guys from first world, underestimate what a bunch of strong backs can do. Probably this is the reason why some of you believe that the pyramids where build by aliens...

>>72840294
Oh sad, I didnt knew it would be so expensive. Well here its done here because the shells are historically valuable and the endresult often looks quiete cool but yes bulldozing it and doing something new is faster.

>>72843964
And you guys in the tird world think you work harder just because you have worse working conditions and get payed less? We work at least equally as hard as you. That building could not be brougt down with hammers by a few nigger in 2 months period. You are underestimating since you have not seen it in or outside for yourself.

>>72844212
>And you guys in the tird world think you work harder just because you have worse working conditions and get payed less?
You have to trow it in my face? T_T

You probably where right.

>>72844286
Oh im sorry friend,
If they had power tools and machines 2 months is a more reasonable time