/lang/ - Language Learning thread

>>72631199

http://pastebin.com/erQ4tFqP
>Few more resources that didn't fit into OP

>Was literally about the post the thread lol xD
Question for anons:
Anki or Memrise?

>>72631320
>Hivemind

I prefer Anki.

Fuck me, I'm trying to deicde between Chinese and Latin right now.
Been learning french and at a B2 right now fyi.

How does one stay disciplined enough to continue to learn language? My interest in anything burns hot for a week then burns out and I never want to see it again. It doesn't matter if this is a language or working out or whatever

>>72633754
you need to find something you really like. Think about things you've liked before. Is there something similar in these things? Tbh being interested in something should come naturally

>>72633754
Find something to spark your interest in it. Find movies, music, etc in the language you want to speak and check them out. Doing this constantly will keep you exposed to the language, making it that much easier to learn, too.

>>72633193
>Been learning french
Tu l'as-tu oublié?

>>72633965
>tu l'as oublié?
Pas du tout. J'ai assez de temps libre pour essayer de commencer à apprendre une nouvelle langue, qu'il soit le chinois ou le latin.

>>72634319
J'ai une question concernant ta langue maternelle qui est le hongrois. Est-ce vous possédez des déterminants ou ces derniers sont utilisés comme suffixes?

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How the FUCK do you guys stay motivated?

>tfw studied two hours a day for a week before stopping for over a month

>>72631320
Hey hungary anon, i wanted to ask you, is it worth and fun to learn hungarian?

I always wanted to widen my language barier little bit more to the north, with hungarian, and i also want to understand anoying hungarian students that only speak magyar even through they understan and speak Serbian.

So do you recomend me to commit to learning hungarian? If so how hard is it to leant it? Or should i just learn some other more used language?

>>72637760
>is it worth to learn hungarian?
no, it's a meme language with barely 10 million speakers. Completely useless
>fun
that's up for you to decide
>i also want to understand anoying hungarian students that only speak magyar even through they understan and speak Serbian.
I can assure you it's not worth learning an entire language to find out about it. Most of my countrymen are dumb as a rock. So, probably just basic shit: we got drunk, had weed ayy lmao etc.
>So do you recomend me to commit to learning hungarian?
no, study something that's marketable
>If so how hard is it to leant it?
It's a chink language. It's almost on par with Korean or Japanese, minus the deranged writing system.
>Or should i just learn some other more used language?
yes, definitely. I'd recommend German or Spanish.

>>72637998
why??? ;-;
>>72635468

Arabic, Turkish, Persian.

Whats the best order to learn these?

>>72638147
Arabic
Persian
Turkish

>>72637998
Thanks for response.

Also i have one more question since you learned french (and english obviouslly), what do you recommend that helped you the most when you were learning another language. And also did you self learn it or did you hire a mentor?

>>72638029
I'm just being honest here, there's no point sugarcoating it.
It's better for him and his career to learn a major language. It looks better on a resume, also big companies always seek people who speak world languages. It means more opportunities and a bigger salary.

>>72639270
uhm, I'm not actually this guy>>72633193
different Hungarian here, so I can't speak for him.
>what do you recommend that helped you the most when you were learning another language.
For me personally, movies and videogames were a great way to immerse myself in English. Books too, but only after I spoke on a very high level. Oh and it's fun to read Wikipedia in a different language.
>And also did you self learn it or did you hire a mentor?
Personally I learned English by myself, but there's no shame in hiring a teacher if you feel like you got stuck on a certain level and you feel like you can't progress anymore. But you should give it a try by yourself, first.

>>72639287
Oops nevermind, I assume you were someone else

>>72637564
Having an ultimate end goal helps. I'm learning mandarin to get in on chinese memes and freak out foreign students by butting in on their conversations. Been studying every day 3 months strong now.

when i use radio garden it says the radio station is unreachable, and this happen qith every single radio station I select, do you know how to solve it?

>>72643462

>>72642501
Make sure all the updates are installed for your computer.

>>72637760
Tbqh, it depends on why you want to learn it. If you have true motivation, you might as well try it and see if you enjoy it or not (probably not)
Though if you just want to understand some students without any motivation it would be a horrible idea to learn it.

Its also really difficult to learn, even for us sometimes. The j and ly difference, the verb ending based on if the noun is definite or not, the 18 case endings and the vowel harmony will all be quite difficult for foreigners to learn.

Good luck anyway

What's the best way to practice pronunciation in a language with few native speakers readily available?

I'm learning Turkish and have found inhibitions about pronunciation to be the thing that holds me back the most from those rare instances where İ can actually talk to people in Turkish

>>72639270
For english, I didn't have a mentor. The problem was that I could not NOT learn eglish as I was playing lots of vidya and almost the whole internet is english, thus I do not even know english grammar, I just speak it.

For french though, I do have a mentor once a week. It is important as he can help highlight what I do not know while I make vocabulary progress and can explain any misconceptions or quirky grammar rules that I would otherwise not know.

What helped me the most?
Consistency
Motivation
Discipline

You can get away with not having one these, but if you don't have two or more, just stop trying to learn as you will never make it.

>>72635468
Je ne suis pas sûr que tu veuilles dire. En general, on ajoute beaucoup de determinants à la fin des mots, c'est pourqui hongrois est une langue "agglutanative"
Recherche ce sujet sur Wikipedia, c'est interessant!

>>72647433
Well you can try your chance at those italki, hellotalk, speaky kinda sites.Also if you haven't already I would suggest you use something like pimsleur or another resource with something that has emphasis on pronunciation like maybe fsi, dsi tapes.

>>72647433
For me personally, I love watching french youtubers. I guess there are some turkish ones as well. Shows me how real natives speak, and some even have subtitles. (Read subtitles in the target language, not english!)

>>72647739
>dsi tapes
*dli tapes

>>72638147
Persian, turkish, arabic.
Start with languages that are closer to yours, then move away.

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le bump

>>72647341
>The j and ly difference
REEEEEEE, that shit rustles my jimmies. Both are pronounced the same way, they're just written differently for no logical reason at all. The MTA needs to be nuked for letting this shitty, nonsensical rule carry on.

>really like Korean things
>don't start learning because who knows I still like it in 4 years

>>72633965
>>72634319
>>72635468
>>72647652
Fuck off

>>72653229
You will. Especially if it extends to classical Korean history and culture beyond SNSD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk

>>72653629
Whats wrong?

>>72653229
Nothing unnatural about that.

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>>72633754
>>72637564
A lot of people say you should give up if you don't find the language interesting, which I agree with if you've only just started studying. Being bored and unmotivated by grinding seems perfectly natural to me, though. The fact is, you can't escape the boring parts of language learning, like using flash cards, if you want to make decent progress. Personally, I go through stages of being motivated and unmotivated usually linked to a perception of making progress/ feeling frustration (see pic related but replace "skill at making art" with language skill, and "skill at evaluating art" with awareness of your mistakes).
Essentially, you just have to force yourself through it. Once you've gone through the cycle a few times, you will realise your low is natural. Set your goals low for those days when you're unmotivated.

Italiano

>>72637564

You either learn it or you don't; that's really enough for me, at least. I wanna learn it and use it, so I study (in this case, French and Japanese). As I get older I am less interested in provisional time-wasters like video games and shows, so basically language learning is a "hobby" rather than "study time". Also, if this is your first long term goal, being consistent in the face of boredom or a lack of motivation will only get easier the longer you do it.

I will say this though: I've taken two very long breaks during my Japanese learning treks. First break had about a three year gap, the second one only a one year gap. Obviously, I wasn't learning anything new in the stagnation, but every time I have jumped back in and started studying again, the information flooded back into my brain quite fast, and a week or two later I was back to where I was before.

So basically, if your life absolutely has to take a detour and you must stop studying, it will not all be for naught if you get back it later. On the flip side, you either learn the language or you don't, so be as consistent as possible if you would like to see the fruits of your labor. Interact with the anons over at djt, if you aren't already.

>>72654042
French niggas love hatin', dawg. Shits wilin. Keep doin' you. Yo fremch on fleek

>>72647652
Merci bien
>>72653629
>insulte un Québécois
Papa...

>>72633193
Chinese is a language that needs to be spoken, Latin is a language really can't be spoken.
Unless you have a job translating latin or using latin documents its not that worth it, even as a jumping point to learn other romance languages.

I'd like to add a resource to the pastebin.
http://en.childrenslibrary.org
Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo. Whilst at first you might think "children's books, what", it's I believe a kind of language that's better for (early) learners, as long as you can deal with "simple stories"

>>72660612
Wow, this is amazing
Thanks dutch anon!

What are you learning right now?

>>72631320

Anki, it's free software.

>>72661394
Memrise is free too. The paid upgrade is basically useless

>>72633754

Do you actually need the language?
I don't see a point in learning something you'll never use. If you had plans to move to the place or to spend a lot of time there then it would be so much easier. Having a huge interest in literature or films isn't probably enough to motivate someone (except for the weeabos).

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>>72661367
Farsi, this site was linked to me by someone in /mena/ iirc. I just remembered having it iny my bookmarks.

Also, pic related shows the number of books per language, for some reason the top is, excluding English, Farsi, Mongolian and Spanish.

Mongolian, who'd have thought.

>>72661454

No, I mean free software in the slightly obnoxious way.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

I haven't really checked out Memrise, but a reason why I prefer Anki over those websites is that you create the content yourself. Creating the flashcards is also a way of learning.

>>72660612
Good shit anon

http://pastebin.com/JN01tWVF

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German speakers, pls help.
This sounds wrong:
>Die Mutter von meinen Freund ist Zahnärztin

Shouldn't it be "meineM Freund"?

What's the worst part of learning a new language and why is it grammar ?

>>72664683

The worst part is overcoming the incredible shyness and embarrassment when trying to talk to native speakers because you make mistakes and sound goofy.

>>72664721
This.

Even through i understand basic Russian, i am reluctant to speak it when playing CS:GO for the reasons you listed, either because i will embarass myself or because they will think i understand more and i am just ignoring them.

>>72665087

To be fair, it's encouraged to make mistakes because that's the only way to learn. Most normal people won't mind, they will even find it adorable, but you can also run into people like this >>72653629 (I assume it's relevant).

Question for Anons:
What video game is best for learning languages which is not specifically made for learning languages?

>>72664516
ja, "meinem" is correct

>>72664516
Yes, it should be "meinem" not "meinen"

>>72664516
Well, thats tricky, i.e. the dativ case is wrong here. If the dativ was right, you would be correct, it needs to be "von meinem Freund".

The correct case however is genitiv: "Die Mutter meines Freundes ist Zahnärztin."

>>72666582
der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod amk

>>72666629
dem anon sein post istt einfach spitze

>>72633754
Autism is the key, my friend.

>>72666488
>>72666493

Thanks
It's a self-study book and shit like this can mess with one's head.

>>72666582

Oh, the exercise was to transform the genitive into the dative form.

>>72666582
>>72664516
Wait, I just realised every single sentence in 13.1 uses the dativ case. It's wrong every time.

>>72665087
Does Russian sound gay to you? I heard it does to other speakers of slavic languages.

>>72669177

Now that you mention it, it does. It sounds way softer.
Reminds me of how Dutch sounds to me compared to German. Way smoother, softer and less harsh.

>>72665600
I recomment any RPG game, but especially if you are replaying them because first time experiance with game in foreging language is rather confusing.

Two personal things i did for Russian. When i was 8 or 9 when i first played RPG game Gothic 1, it was in english and i dind't understand much, i beated it mainly because i loved the game, but it is only after few years that when i returned to it, i understood it completly, so you know i got an idea. Because i know the game inside out, i installed it in Russian language, it helps me memorize some common sentences and creates a artificial demmand for me to keep learning the language.

Also i installed Skyrim in Russian voices, but left english subtitles, so that helps.

So if you own(because if it's pirated you can't do this) and played it a lot before, i recommend this vid for guide how to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ5EPsXkEdY