what are the differences between european spanish culture and

>>72565676
>are their differences as big as south korea and north korea?
probably, if not bigger. i heard people in north korea talked in an old way. people in Latin America do something similar
There is "Voseo" (when they use "vos", an expression from the 1600's, instead of "tú") and too many different dialectical differences to put them on a single post

Spain is not the most "european" country in europe. That would probably be countries like Switzeland or netherlands, but Spain still has great education compared to any country in the American continent.

>>72565676
>a country with huge european influence
>a continent with tons of indigenic influence founded by mediage settlers
guess what, koreabro, there ARE differences. is google blocked in SK?

>>72566362
>a country with huge european influence
It's not a country with European influence, it's a part of Europe

>>72565676
>Spanish
>Culture

>>72565676
what are the differences between european anglo culture and american algo culture?

Basically that.

>>72565676
>latin american spanish culture

What do you mean by "Latin American Spanish culture"? Are you referring to the Spanish language?

Anyway, if you're referring to culture in general, the difference is quite big, although some countries feel closer than others. Basically, the language is the only thing that we share. Apart from that, we'd feel as alien to eachother as a Vietnamese and a Swede.

>>72566454
>what are the differences between european anglo culture and american algo culture?
>Basically that.

I strongly disagree. American Anglo culture is way closer to British culture than Latin American culture is to Spanish.

The true comparison would be, say, Indian or Zimbabwean cultures vs. British culture, with some exceptions.

>>72566204
>>72566454
are you saying that american english is an older way of english than england's english? north korea's korean is much more isolated than south korea's korean though

>>72565676
There are too many and depending on wich country could be more.

As for Argentina there is voseo as other anon said and expresions that came from the different migrants mostly the Italians.

Our culture is a mix of cultures but migrants mostly our grandparents pass on traditions from their homeland mostly gastronomical.

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There is nothing in common but Spanish and some dishes

>>72566204
>probably, if not bigger. i heard people in north korea talked in an old way. people in Latin America do something similar
>There is "Voseo" (when they use "vos", an expression from the 1600's, instead of "tú")

Only south americans do that

>>72566951
jajaja kek

>>72566204
Tell me more pls? I'm interested.

>>72565676
>sharing culture with indians and narco states.
you are idiot. kill yourself stupid chink

>>72567121
he's talking about Argentina though, nobody else uses "vos"
and it doesn't sound like the old english "thou", it doesn't sound shakesperean or anything, it's just a different pronoun.

>>72566638
>The true comparison would be, say, Indian or Zimbabwean cultures vs. British culture, with some exceptions.

Mira macho, vete a tomar por culo y sal algún dia del barrio Salamanca y te darás cuenta de que los panchos tampoco son tan diferentes.

>>72565676
it's better to say they're as big as Korea and China
like they were connected at some point and then separated

>>72565676
Spain(Greeks+Roman+Judeochristian+Arabic+others cultural influences)

Latinamerica(Spanish+Native+African+others cultural influences)

and an ocean of distance that separated us from america for 500 years.

>>72567211
hablamos castellano acá
...a no ser que seas de una región autonómica, entonces ni eso

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>>72567299
>nobody else uses "vos"
AJEM EJEM EJEM mapita EJEM EJEM

>>72566443
>popular folklore
>not culture

>>72567587
>literally proving my point
thanks lad

>>72567472
this, next

>>72567364
>Mira macho, vete a tomar por culo y sal algún dia del barrio Salamanca y te darás cuenta de que los panchos tampoco son tan diferentes.
t.Walter Wilson Steven Delgado Sero Sero Siete

>>72567587
That's only Argentina and its rebel provinces

>>72566985
i know, it was just to cite an example
>>72567121
its hard to compare spain to the almost 20 countries that make Latin America all at once
the modern culture and way of thinking in Latin America is more similar to USA than Spain

>>72567814
venga para ya con este meme.

>>72565676
we share some culture with Mexico (like andalusian culture)

the rest of the countries like Colombia,Venezuela...i dont know

I am Argentinian and I have Spanish family. I travel a lot to Spain. Spaniards aren't really that different(at least Castilians) to us. We just have a different accent and some different festivities and dishes. But I guess there are much bigger differences between a Spanish and a Salvadorian for example. So it depends on what country you are comparing.

Anyways, maybe if I hadn't travelled so much to Spain I wouldn't feel so close. So it might be a subjective point of view.

>>72567925
>venga para ya con este meme.
>we share some culture with Mexico
t.Pancho Saltamuros Delgado

>>72567814

POST PATROCINADO POR: PODEMOS, LOS SUDACAS NO SE PARECEN A NOSOTROS, ESPAÑA ES NORDICA.

>>72567993
tio para, es verdad que es el unico pais que tiene cosas Españolas.


pesado no soy sudamericano, no me caen mal quitando los pandilleros

>>72567975
nah, I went once for like a week and Madrid was basically Buenos Aires but a bit safer.

>>72567825
>rebel provinces
>"PARAGUAYOS NEGROS DE MIERDA FUERA DE MI PAIS"
che Sarmiento, decidite

>>72568149
tu tierra nos pertenece, tu """gente""" se puede ir bien a la mierda.

White Latin Americans will adapt quickly to life in Spain because they aren't very different to Spaniards. But Mestizoes and particularly Native Americans wont. They wouldn't adapt quickly in any other country anyways because they are retarded. They are like animals

>>72566951
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>>72568149
Paraguayans are mostly mestizos. That's better than Bolivians who are literally Indians. But Paraguayans also tend to commit more crime than Bolivians. Bolivians are way too timid for that. So while Bolivians are much uglier Paraguayans are much more dangerous

>>72565676
Basically, Spain is a European country, both culturally and ethnically
Latin America is a mixture of indigenous and spaniards (but Uruguay and Argentina, that have a bigger european influence)

>>72568338
muchos hablais como si fueramos hermanos de los franceses o alemanes madre mia.

son mas cercanos a latino américa, de algunos países ( no todos) que de los putos guiris y lo sabéis.

>>72568180
this is racist but true. i have friends that went to Spain and they commented the same

>>72568381
somos*

>>72566985
Not really, people in Chiapas do that as well.

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>>72568381
PERO QUE DICES PAYO, SI ESPAÑA ES BLANCA Y EUROPEA JOER. SOMOS EL PUTO PRIMER MUNDO.

>>72566545
THIS
H
I
S

>>72568381
no se si está tan mal igual eh, yo no soy racista como el otro argie que está posteando, pero sinceramente siento que tengo mucho más en común con un italiano, portugués, francés o rumano que con un indio boliviano.
con alemanes y eslavos obvio que no, pero me imagino que me entendés.

>>72568381
A ver, cada país de Europa tiene sus propias costumbres y tradiciones, pero en lineas generales tenemos muchas similitudes
Claro que estamos más relacionados con america latina culturalmente, la influencia española ahí es enorme

>>72568395
I read a study once that said that Ecuadorian immigrants to Spain had difficult understanding the language(FUCKING SPANISH, THEIR OWN NATIVE LANGUAGE) while Uruguayan immigrants to Spain had no trouble adapting.

>>72568537
yo mataba a todos los guiris de mierda nada mas que bajasen del avión,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUf1gQ2c_s

>>72568505
los franceses son muy distintos a los españoles o italianos. En mi experiencia son unos antipáticos de mierda

>>72568611
>En mi experiencia son unos antipáticos de mierda
Eso es totalmente correcto

>>72568596
You are getting the worst Germans tourists. Also Spanish people is much more beautiful than Northern Europeans. Only Swedes look good.

>>72568180
this happens here and in your country too. When you see some Bolivian and Peruan around, you know the difference is not only the skin or the way they talk, they seem strange in the way they act. It will sound racist but you know there is something fundamental different and they feel it too, like they will never will be us and viceversa, they end segregating themselves. Here they usually stay a few years and get back because they are not a lot, the problem in argentina is that you have fucking lots and lots so they even make their own neighborhoods and stay.

>>72568611
antipaticos, te miran por encima del hombre, no hablan ingles (aunque muchos saben) no te responden. y asi un sin fin.

>>72568673
Argentina already had a lot of Indians before the Bolivians came. At least here in the North, immigration made no difference. Porteños are butthurt because they now have to live around Amerindians , while we were already accustomed to do that in the interior of the country. So I am actually happy they are getting to experience what is life around brown people too. Fucking faggots.

>>72568673
>the problem in argentina is that you have fucking lots and lots so they even make their own neighborhoods and stay.

they don't even make up 3% of the population

>>72568870
Bolivians and Peruvians will eventually racemix and become mestizoes like the average villero. I'm not sure if that's a good thing though

>>72568756
well i mentioned Sarmiento because he and Roca made sure to purge Argentina from indians as much as they could. so of course porteños would be uncomfortable of this "shameful past"

>>72568011
>>72568023
t.Pancho Saltamuros Delgado

>>72568381
t.Pancho Saltamuros Delgado

>>72569006
siempre arruinas los hilos

>>72568931
>well i mentioned Sarmiento because he and Roca made sure to purge Argentina from indians as much as they could

no they didn't, they only killed the agressive ones who wouldn't talk, they were literally animals.

the ones in the north (QOM or tobas) had been conquered by the Incas so they were used to foreigners/conquerors whatever, so they were rather peaceful and they're still around to this day.

there's literally nothing shameful about having killed those indians, or having to share land with these other ones.
shut the fuck up.

>>72569054
Deja a ese autista en paz, solo ignóralo

>>72569054
t.Pancho Saltamuros Delgado

>>72569069
un amigo visito la patagonia y me dijo que allí las carreteras son en linea recta infinita, eso es cierto?

>>72568931
They only killed the aggressive indians or those that didn't want to assimilate. Most of them lived in the Pampas or Patagonia, so those are the whitest areas of the country. The rest of the indians either lived in inaccesible places and survived to this day, or assimilated/had already assimilated and became cheap labour. Indians in Northwest Argentina had already assimilated in the time of the Spaniards, so they got spared. That's why people in Jujuy are almost Bolivians. When they travel to Buenos Aires they get confused for Bolivians.

>>72566951

shieeeeeeeeeet

>>72569069
>there's literally nothing shameful about having killed those indians
you didn't kill them all, that's YOUR shame :¬)

>>72569113
mas o menos, la patagonia es un desierto enorme, las rutas son larguísimas, y van de norte a sur asi que de a momentos sí, parecen recas e infinitas.

>>72569069
Qom and tobas were not conquered by the Incas though, you are thinking about Diaguitas/Omaguacas/Calchaquies. Qom and tobas got spared mostly because they either lived in very inaccesible areas(Like the impenetrable) or because they were used as cheap labor in the sugar mills of Salta and Jujuy(like Ingenio Ledesma)

>>72569166


Cuentame más sobre ella.

>>72569166
una cosa, se cuelan ilegales? digo por el amplio territorio que tenéis tiene que haber algún sitio que puedan entrar.

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>>72569246
La Patagonia es más que nada un desierto, no hay absolutamente nada. Se divide en dos partes, meseta patagónica(que es muy fea sinceramente) y la Patagonia andina. La Patagonia andina tiene bosques y montañas y lagos glaciares, esa sí es mucho más linda y turística. Pero es menos del 10% de la superficie de la Patagonia. El resto se ve como en esta imagen, y no vive nadie, solo guanacos.

>>72569303
lastimosamente en Argentina tienen política de puertas abiertas para todos, así que no hay "ilegales" propiamente dichos

GRACIAS NESTOR GRACIAS CRISTINA

>>72569356

Que triste debe ser vivir allí.

>>72569303
En Argentina no hay restricciones para el ingreso de personas de países limítrofes. Pueden pasar sin problemas mostrando su DNI. Solo los delincuentes pasan ilegalmente para hacer contrabando. Un boliviano puede vivir tranquilamente en Argentina sin miedo a que lo deporten, incluso aunque no tenga trabajo/casa.

>>72569356
que son guanacos? los nativos de alli?

>>72569303
con chile hay una pared natural que es mejor que la que va a hacer trump, igual vienen en hordas pero no pasan ilegalmente los chilenos.

los bolivianos y paraguayos hace un tiempo si, venian muchisimos ilegales, pero ahora la verdad que no porque a diferencia de Mexico-USA nosotros estamos obligados a "tratar bien" al resto de sudamerica asi que tienen libertad de movimiento como ustedes en europa.

y algunos europeos o gente de otros continentes en vez de pedir permiso de residencia por alguna razon cuando se les terminan los 3 meses de estadia con el pasaporte se van hasta uruguay para entrar de nuevo y sellar el pasaporte de vuelta asi tienen 3 meses más, nadie les dice nada, pero son poquisimos los que hacen eso.

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>>72569461
Son como llamas salvajes jajaja

Me sorprendió mucho el hecho de que la discriminación racial en Asia fuera severa en España. Porque yo siempre estaba teniendo buena imagen de España de alguna manera.

>>72569487
>ero ahora la verdad que no porque a diferencia de Mexico-USA nosotros estamos obligados a "tratar bien" al resto de sudamerica asi que tienen libertad de movimiento como ustedes en europa.
y USA no esta obligado tratar bien a Mexico? en su vecino y no puede nukearlo como hace en el deserto con los moros, esta obligado a trata bien con ellos, Trump mucha palabrería pero al final se quedara en nada

no defiendo a los ilegales, aquí tenemos muchos de marruecos y son lo peor que te puedes llevar.

>>72569574
calláte, chinardo.

>>72569574
>Me sorprendió mucho el hecho de que la discriminación racial en Asia fuera severa en España.
eso es mentira

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>>72569604
>y USA no esta obligado tratar bien a Mexico?
y, la verdad que no

>>72569604
Igual un marroquí tiene mucho menos en común con un español que un boliviano/paraguayo con un argentino. Serán marrones pero al menos hablan el mismo idioma y tienen la misma religión. Además que un boliviano no es muy distinto que un jujeño(argentino del noroeste) y un paraguayo es casi idéntico a un formoseño.

>>72569645
es su vecino, y si les da la gana pueden abrir la frontera sur...y los muricans se cagan

>>72569604
si pero mexico no tiene libertad de movimiento en USA, nosotros les tenemos que dar libertad de movimiento a los sudamericanos por que si no nos cierran el mercado y nos tenemos que meter el 30% de las exportaciones en el orto.

culture is absolutely the same

manana siesta and laziness

european latinos are just more arrogant which is strange when many south american countreis are richer and have better economy than spain

>>72569638
Yo he estado en España y la verdad que no vi discriminación con los inmigrantes. Al contrario, en Madrid hasta había un cartel enorme en un edificio gubernamental que decía 'REFUGEES WELCOME'. Hasta los taxistas los aceptaban, aunque a regañadientes.

>>72569356
Te olvidás del petróleo y los minerales, recursos que obviamente son explotados de la forma más bananera posible.

>>72569716
>mañana
you don't have mornings?

>>72569693
>un paraguayo es casi idéntico a un formoseño
ch-che
no es cierto

>>72569716
>manana
you meant banana?
anyways the culture is not the same because latinos have more influences. when we said we're mixed blood we mean REALLY mixed
Spain remained that clusterfuck that Spain is. divergence was inevitable

>>72569708
sí, pero los políticos yankis no necesitan votantes tan desesperadamente como los políticos argentinos. he ahí la diferencia y principal causa

>>72569762
no hay nada de eso dejá de mentir.

>>72569812
>no es cierto

sabes que sí

>>72569716
>are richer and have better economy than spain
Which ones porn actress?

>>72567535
> automatica
> AUTOMATICA

AUTONOMA SUBNORMAL

>>72569762
tu país tiene muchos recursos pero están mal administrados creo yo, si no seriáis ricos. es como Venezuela que podría ser la Arabia Saudi de sudamerica pero el petroleo es un negocio que dominan unos "cumunistas" en el gobierno de la cual se beneficia su familia y ellos.

>>72569843
leé de nuevo, negro estúpido.

>>72569843
dyslexia is a bitch isn't it

>>72569831
na q verr
una cosa es ser asunceno que mira el Trece y Canal 9 todo el día y otra es que la cultura paraguaya en sí sea parecida a la de sus vecinos

>>72569888
a ver y que es la 'cultura paraguaya'?

>>72569888
la gente de formosa y de paraguay son identicos, no me rompas las pelotas.

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>>72569827
>>>/primaria/

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>>72565676
>what are the differences between european spanish culture and latin american spanish culture?

The only thing we have in common is the language. Juste like Britain and Jamaica, Netherlands and Suriname or France and Haiti.

>>72569926
>>72569953
>que es la 'cultura paraguaya'?
guaraní, tereré, kaigüé ha opareí
los argentinos son más rebeldes y trabajadores, tengo que admitir. no se habla guaraní en Argentina excepto Corrientes que ahora les dio por aprender. y la polca no es idéntica al chamamé

>>72570016
ignorar al autista de siempre por favor

>>72567299
Do you(or anyone) know major differences between Mexican and European Spanish?

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>>72570016
>The only thing we have in common is the language. Juste like Britain and Jamaica, Netherlands and Suriname or France and Haiti.

This, basically.

With Brazil we have nothing in common, though.

>>72570021
Si se escucha chamamé en Argentina mamón

>>72570050
t. Walter Hitler Fernandez

>>72570063
it's a rather long topic, so I won't get into it, but it's not difficult to find things about this

this might be a good read for you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dialects_and_varieties

>>72570010
Jaja eso tenía que estudiar yo el otro día en la facultad pero me hice el sota y por suerte no me tomaron

>>72570063
Mostly just slang, and the use of vosotros vs ustedes.

>>72570116
>mamón
este es bolita

>>72570063
first difference: lingo
mexican spanish has lots of nahuatl (and olmec or i dunno) loanwords than european spanish
second difference: seseo
mexicans don't talk with a lishthp
third: dialects
the jargon mexican niggers speak is unrecognizable for spaniards, while the jargon spaniard niggers speak is unrecognizable for mexicans
>chale vato ya valió verga no mames
>olle shur no te ralles que fue de coña

>>72570116
yo qué dije?

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Una cosa, hay carteles en Argentina? o crimen organizado?

parece que es el único país salvado del crimen y los carteles pero no lo se

>>72569716
>manana
Is manana some kind of Czech portmanteau of man and banana? If so, does it mean what I think it means?

La Biblia está siendo un rotundo éxito de ventas en todo el continente, léela, sé que te va a encantar.

>>72570195
>If you don't speak average porteño shitty dialect you are not Argentinian

De todas formas no se dice mamón acá tampoco, no sé por qué lo dije. Capaz que me quería hacer el español

>>72570253
>Una cosa, hay carteles en Argentina? o crimen organizado?
carteles no, kek

antes habia mafia (los italianos son el mismisimo sida), pero ahora lo mas cercano a la mafia son las barrabravas de fútbol.
y algunos sindicatos como el de los camioneros que son todos gordos matones basicamente.

ese es el """crimen organizado""" que tenemos.

>>72570253
Sí hay mafias y drojas pero la mayoría las trajeron los inmigrantes peruanos. También está la Ndranghetta que trafica drogas a Europa desde los puertos de Argentina

>>72570199
>second difference: seseo
>mexicans don't talk with a lishthp
Ironically seseo and ceceo are both lisps (a person who pronounced both "s" and "th" the same in English would be said to have a speech impediment). Only Distinción™, as in standard peninsular Spanish, in which the sounds "s" and "th" are separate, escapes from that definition.

>>72570315
en teoría las rutas de la droga van de Colombia hacia arriba no? luego pasa a Mexico y entonces USA

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>thapato
>thethilia

>>72569872
La mayoría de los minerales listados en >>72570010 son explotados por empresas extranjeras (obviamente las leyes exigen que la contratación y la compra de insumos sean locales, sobre las leyes ambientales la verdad que no tengo ni idea), acá lo que faltaría sería alguna empresa argentina que se ponga a extraer, pero si bien la minería deja ganancias tremendas, la inversión inicial que hay que hacer es descomunal.
No tengo idea la calidad del crudo que sale de acá no tengo idea, una vez me puse a leer sobre el petróleo que tiene Venezuela y vi que necesita un refinado especial por estar mezclado con arena, lo que lo hace menos rentables que el crudo saudí, que hasta donde tengo entendido es más fácil de extraer y refinar que el venezolano.

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>>72570315
>no hay mafia en Argentina

tan rápido te olvidaste de estos?

>>72570367
si.
igual hay drogas en todos lados, Argentina se usaba como una via para europa, pero igual nada que ver al resto de latinoamerica, el cono sur dentro de todo de eso se salva.

>>72570367
De Perú, Bolivia y Colombia a México y al final a Estados Unidos, sí.

>>72570342
shí, manolo, ushtedes hablan thientíficamente correcto

>>72570415
esos son paraguayos

sí soy caradura y qué

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>>72570396
>>72570431

>haha silly Spaniards let's just fuck around with the pronunciation I'm sure nothing could go wro--

>>72570431
>Victor Schilacci, Martin y Christian Lanatta

No suenan muy paraguayos esos nombres

>>72570511
"Paentro" sounds like something a Spaniard would say tbqh, not sure which region, but Spaniard.

>to' palote

>>72566545
Which countries feel closest? I've heard of both Cuba and Argentina being culturally the most similar to Spain.

>>72570431
>todos los españoles hablan como el ex-rey
no
>>72570562
>paentro
someone from a small village that has never visited a city

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>>72570511
shuur no te ralles ajjaj que los eshpañolesh hablaish bien

>>72570413
>No tengo idea la calidad del crudo que sale de acá no tengo idea, una vez me puse a leer sobre el petróleo que tiene Venezuela y vi que necesita un refinado especial por estar mezclado con arena, lo que lo hace menos rentables que el crudo saudí,
exacto,

>>72570623
maybe Argentina ,Cuba and Mexico

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>>72570562
Lots of Latin American accents slur their words, especially Caribbean accents

>>72570643
>Sudacas pronounce "a ser" the same as "hacer"

>>72570539
bueno, eso me pasa por adelantarme

>>72570639
bueno, bueno, los gallegos no son castellanos, no se ofenda que yo no lo ofendo

>>72566951
¿Qué significa "experaba"?

>>72570874
"Esperaba". It's meant to poke fun at the spelling of sudacas online.

kmo le disen en sus paises a la conutirala?

>>72570874
It's "Esperaba" (I expected), but written incorrectly

>>72570623
Cuba would be mini Spain if Castro didn't transform it into a chimp banana republic.Currently I think that Uruguay is the closest by ancestry and culture.

>>72570874
Esperaba, pero mal escrito porque los "indios" son "analfabetas" o algo.

>>72570722
Ahora que lo pienso, ¿por qué algunos españoles se saltan sílabas para hablar?

>Joer tío ereh un paleto conio, ve paentro de la casa

>>72570623
>Cuba

Maybe in the early 19th century. Today Cuba is just the country of Latin America with more Negros.

>>72570982
>Ahora que lo pienso, ¿por qué algunos españoles se saltan sílabas para hablar?
Por el mismo motivo que algunos Mexicanos dicen "Méico" en vez de "Méjico"

>>72571022
Yes I know, I meant that "experaba" is wrong, not "esperaba"

>>72571128
Pero eso no pasa.

>>72571200
>Pero eso no pasa.

>>72571232
Pues no.

>>72570091
that pic has me creasing

Colombians from Bogotá are the ones that speak the best Spanish

>>72570982
>"ereh"
Andaluces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCsh0VELl4Q

>>72571248
>Pues no.
>>72571275
t.Osvaldo Hermenegildo Canelita

>>72571305
>No, tío, que ereh un pesao

>>72570968
>Uruguay

dude what the fuck, we're the catholic ones.

>>72571332
>No, tío, que ereh un pesao

>>72571305
>Canelita
Caneloni*
son italianos, acordate

>>72571343
what does catholicism has to do with Spain? they're all satanist that say "me cago en Dios" all the time
the fact that we're more catholic than them shows how backwater we are

¿Qué tan ofensiva es la palabra "sudaca"? ¿Es comparable a "nigger" en yanquiterra?

Could a Spaniard (jokingly) call his South American friend sudaca without causing offence?

obligatory musical reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfLA60D1Awc

>>72571500
>¿Qué tan ofensiva es la palabra "sudaca"?
No sé creo con mala intención ya que sudamericano es muy largo y sudaca es más fácil de decir.A los sudacas les molesta bastante.

>>72571500
Quite offensive. But it's even more offensive when the disgusting Mexicans call us 'sudacas' when they are much worse.

>>72571343
most of Latin America is more religious than us

>>72571500
>Es comparable a "nigger"

no, not even close.
I don't even get offended by it 2bh

>Could a Spaniard (jokingly) call his South American friend sudaca without causing offence?
yes

:^)

Maybe I find it more offensive because in my province 'aca' literally means shit

>>72571572
>>72571591
es un epíteto xenofóbico
pero que se ofendan los sensibles. siempre depende del contexto, no del significado de la palabra en sí

>>72571725
No es xenófico.AL menos cuando se creo en los 80.Decir sudamericano es muy tedioso.Sudaca es más corto

>>72571725
>A finales de los años 1970 y principios de los 80, llegaron muchos exiliados políticos a España procedentes de Argentina, Chile y Uruguay, los cuales contaban con gran solidaridad de la sociedad española de la Transición, por lo que solían programarse conferencias, conciertos y exposiciones, entre otros eventos. En el centro de Madrid había grupos de música andina que improvisaban en la vía pública con charangos, quenas, bombos y guitarras. Estos acontecimientos causaron que el folclore sudamericano se pusiera de moda y fuese conocido como la «movida sudaca», la cual vivió también su época dorada en contraposición a la madrileña, dando así comienzo al uso del término.

>>72571842
depende del contexto dije

>>72571954
El termino no es despectivo.Panchito,Guachupino y Machu Pichu son despectivos

>>72571954
If I were to address an Argentinian/Chilean/Columbian as "sudaca" would they likely take offence?

>>72572024
La rae dice que sí.

>>72572047
Definitely, especially if they aren't your friends, if they are, it can be friendly banter tho.

>>72566454
The English are getting very Americanized though. Is a similar thing happening between spics and Iberians?

>>72572024
>El termino no es despectivo.Panchito,Guachupino y Machu Pichu son despectivos

Gracias, I'm using these on my Colombian coworkers sometime.

>>72572047
no but they would look weird at you because you're not a spaniard to say that

>>72572024
epíteto es epíteto
decir "vosotros sudacas" es como decir "you people" en inglés. pero sólo un sensiblón PC iba a molestarse

>>72572047
Most people in Latin America take offence if a Gringo speaks to them no matter what they say

>>72572082
>La rae dice que sí.
Porque a los sudacas les molesta.No es nuestra culpa

>>72572047
Leave the banter to the insiders, we don't need Croats getting involved in our meme wars

>>72572095
I don't think so. No Spanish speaking country has enough influence to impose their culture on others. Maybe the only thing is that is happening is that Spanish people listen to reggaeton and other shitty Latin American music

>>72568381
I don't really think that's true. Maybe Andalucia tends to be closer to Latin America but that's it

>>72572047
the fact that they're lumping us together is more offensive than the word itself, however derogatory it may be.

>>72572170
>Andalucia tends to be closer to Latin America
No.It is mostly the Canary Islands the ones that are closer to them

>>72572133
Vamos, que la rae no le hace caso a nada que no provenga de Castilla. Si la rae lo dice, es porque así lo utilizan allá.

>>72572112
Pensé que sólo los yanquis son gringos.

>>72572190
>A finales de los años 1970 y principios de los 80, llegaron muchos exiliados políticos a España procedentes de Argentina, Chile y Uruguay, los cuales contaban con gran solidaridad de la sociedad española de la Transición, por lo que solían programarse conferencias, conciertos y exposiciones, entre otros eventos. En el centro de Madrid había grupos de música andina que improvisaban en la vía pública con charangos, quenas, bombos y guitarras. Estos acontecimientos causaron que el folclore sudamericano se pusiera de moda y fuese conocido como la «movida sudaca», la cual vivió también su época dorada en contraposición a la madrileña, dando así comienzo al uso del término.

>>72572170
why do you talk about things you know nothing about?

no such thing as either of them "Latin american culture", "Spanish culture".

>>72572217
La definición varia dependiendo del país.

>in Brazil
Any foreigner is a gringo, no matter what
>in Mexico
Only Americans are gringos

In other countries I am not sure.

>>72572230
ya lo leí la primera vez que lo pasteaste capo, no se que tiene que ver.

>>72568381
Pues qué quieres que te diga, cruzo la frontera a Francia o a Portugal y aparte del idioma apenas noto apenas nada diferente en el modo de vida, las pintas de los paisanos y el aspecto de los edificios, en cambio el Nuevo Mundo me parece literalmente otro mundo. Cuando un Español va a América se lo toma como una odisea y suele volver transformado por la experiencia.

>>72572217
Depende de qué país lo diga. En Mexico tengo entendido que gringo = yanqui
En Argentina no es muy común usar ese término, pero en general es para cualquiera que tenga apariencia de extranjero

>>72572265
es el autista que te puedes esperar

>>72572265
Sudaca se creo por los Argentinos,CHilenos y Uruguayos.No para los Panchis

>>72572217
in Argentina gringo just means blond, we use it interchangeably.
I don't know why he used it like that, that was weird.

>>72565676

European spanish culture = Loud lazy people that look like tanned whites

Latin American culture = Loud lazy people that look like tanned Europeans mixed with tanned Asians.

>>72572300
>>72572300
>Sudaca se creo por los Argentinos,CHilenos y Uruguayos.No para los Panchis
t.Walter Steven James Delgado

>>72568505

>t. bebedor de ese menjurje indígena llamado mate

>>72572305
llevar la música andina a España fue un error. malditos comunistas

Ignoren a Jorge

>>72572264
In most of Latin America gringo either means either white or white foreigner. Here in Argentina we call blonde people gringos no matter their nationality. Even other Argentinians can be gringos if they have fair skin and blue eyes.

>>72572305
vos sabés que somos 3 paises distintos, ¿no?

How British people viewed in Spanish culture

>>72572284
>tenga apariencia de extranjero

Argentina no es blanca????

>>72572328
says a fucking square head savage.

>>72572379
Básicamente el mismo.Uruguay es como era Argentina y Chile como va a ser

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>>72572383
Like this

>>72572230
Los significados cambian, las palabras evolucionan, aprende a vivir con eso gallego

>>72572384
ajaskasjaskjasjkas

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>>72572383

>>72572383
Dumb and loud guiris.That's it
>>72572426

>>72572426
kinda this
and old people doing nothing

>>72572414
la gente de Chile es marrón y hablan totalmente distinto a nosotros, y los uruguayos son unos ingratos de mierda, mejor ni verlos, gracias.

>>72572477
>la gente de Chile es marrón
Vuestro futuro
>los uruguayos son unos ingratos de mierda, mejor ni verlos
Vuestro pasado

>>72572384
gringo just means blond, it's used for argies as well as foreigners, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about, I suspect he might be a proxy or something.

>>72572426
So just like your average American "tourist".

>>72572477
>uruguayos son unos ingratos de mierda
¿Cómo es eso?

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>>72572384
yyy no no es blanca. pero tampoco negra o abbo

>>72572414
Paraguay es mucho mas cercana a Argentina-Uruguay, Chile es un hibrido entre Argentinos y PeruANOS

You can just tell this was gonna be a shitty thread even before opening it.

>>72572513
>gringo just means blond
it means foreigner, says so on the dictionary
BUT yeah, we use it more to point at germanics and slavics. an italian is not a gringo for us

>>72572530
son iguales a nosotros, son basicamente una provincia argentina pero asi y todo nos odian y nos viven puteando como una manga de subnormales.

>>72572581
that makes no sense

>>72572515
Less "harmless, clueless bumbling tourist" and more "drunken, destructive hooligan".

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>>72572581
pls stop talking about my country already, you retarded indian.

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Increible que esto duro tanto sin que nadie postee una imagen de que paises son blancos y cuales no

>>72572614
>drunken, destructive
So just like your average American spring breaker. Except they get drugged, and not drunk.

>>72572607
well, what i meant is that one thing is what the dictionary says about the meaning of the word and a different one how the people use it
gringo was originally used for people that talk a strange unrecognizable language. because at the beginning of 20th century most immigrants were from Europe "gringo" started to designate THEM

>>72572647
los italianos son tanos, los estadounidenses son yankis, los españoles son galles y vos sos un boludo

>>72572785
hahaha I will come to your country as a sex tourist

>>72572667
So Jamaica is white. Ok

>>72573438
>Jamaica
>Latin America

I think you might be retarded

>>72573078
Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil are better desu.

Gringo in Argentina is used in the same way of 'Guiris' in Spain but it can be used for blonde people in general too

>>72573471
>USA
>Latin America
Your map is just shit I'm sorry

>>72573553
>USA isn't latin american

holy shit you're stupid.
and that wasn't my map, stop assuming things you retarded fuck.

>>72573553
>USA
>Not Latin America

>>72566985
Vos estas mal mi amigo mexicano.

>>72572095
>Is a similar thing happening between spics and Iberians?

In the lower clas yes.

>>72567587
This map is wrong about Colombia, only in the pacific coast and Antioquia we use vos

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all of them except brazil are true spaniards

>>72566545
>we'd feel as alien to eachother as a Vietnamese and a Swede
Bad comparison, Swedes have been marrying those viets like crazy.

>>72565676
>differences
None. The real split is between iberian and european culture.

>>72575925
>Finland
>European

>>72575995
I wrote nothing about Finland, Jorge.

>>72576035
>你给我听着啊我要告诉你哪一些国家属于欧洲

>>72575613
i really want to say brazilians are true portugues but no, all that angolan/italian blood in you...

>>72576100
What am I, wikipedia? Look it up yourself.

is this /lat/ now

>>72565676
VIVA ESPAÑA VIVA EL REY, VIVA EL ORDEN Y LA LEY!

jk cucks

>>72576339
no

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>>72576223
>嗨我告诉你呀西班牙压根儿就不属于欧洲文化呀。咱芬兰人那就是最了解这事的,我本身是百分之百纯欧洲人,一点儿亚洲血也没有!

>>72565676
Majority of our(uruguay) ancestors came from spain, specifically Canarians, Galicians, Basques(the last ones to arrive) and Catalans. I think that out of those basques had the most impact, for example people here curse all day to themselves and they have a short fuse, if it's cold then it's too cold if it's hot then it's too hot, even when it's not really hot we still say it's fucking hot, I remember several times i'd say it's hot and then realize "eh but it's not..". I heard basques have moods like that but could be fake.

So our culture has a lot of them but it's also not that much for whatever reason, we don't enjoy the bull thing they do(in fact people would probably stone you if you did it here) but mexico does for example. We still call spaniards Galicians and we call people that are not from montevideo Canarians.

Then come the italians they're less than spaniards but they were big, most of the food we like comes from them, for example spaniards have a lot of fish dishes but we rarely eat fish despite living surrounded by water and people would not go out their ways for it. Italians had also other cultural impacts, for example the gestures we do when we speak, our body language is like theirs. This probably is not really a thing but in football I noticed fans are very similar to us, the atmosphere in games and all that while spaniards are faggots that sit during the whole match and wave handcherchiefs.

The french are in 3rd position, I think we only got wine from them though.

Portuguese i've no idea, maybe the bacalhao thing that some people enjoy in tourism week(holy week or something like that dunno what it's called)

>>72570367
the drugs you get in europe mosty come from the Uruguayan and Argentinian ports, dunno about argies but once in a while we get a huge cargo of drugs confiscated.

>>72576976
most of the route is via Brazil though, but yeah a small part is via Bs.As./Mvi.O.

>>72565676
i'm jelaous guys, i wish there are 20 more countries with people speaking croatian :(((

>>72566669
>are you saying that american english is an older way of english than england's english?
In some sense yes, especially with saying our r's and using certain words such as "fall" for autumn that have fallen out of use in the UK.

>>72577125
Is not that good, trust me

>>72572530
We once inticed Bush to start a war with Argentina if they attacked us because they'd throw bombs near our cities every week, breaking glasses and all that in """""military tests""""" a.k.a being butthurt because of the pulp mills that we took from them and they lost some jobs(there is literally nothing that bothers Argentinians more than seeing Uruguay progress, not to mention progress more than their shithole).

Needless to say their military stopped once Bush said we were allies, Argies got really butthurt after that
>Uruguayans are ingrates xD it doesn't matter that we were throwing bombs 2kms from their home they should just stay quiet:)

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>>72571343
>>Uruguay

A city called "33"

OK

>>72577298
>there is literally nothing that bothers Argentinians more than seeing Uruguay progress, not to mention progress more than their shithole

how can a single nigger be so fucking deluded

kek

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>>72576181
i just wanted to trigger spaniards

>>72577262
not so good maybe cause they are worlds away. but it's not bad either. if you are done living in your country you can always go there start a new life. although, spain itself is big enought for that

>>72577125
Yugos all speak the same language

>>72577349
that's because of the masons, all our politicians are/were/will be masons and the ones that got our independence were masons too.


That city is called like that because of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Three_Orientals , which weren't 33 but again masonic bullshit.

>>72577476
yeah i know, but it sucks cause there are so much hate here. i can't just go to belgrade and yell on croatian on their streets. but yeah, i really like that fact we all understand each other.

>>72577590
Serbians are still butthurt over Croatia?

>>72577590
>there's so much hate here

you think it's different here?
the only ones we get along with are Spain and Italy, and one of them don't even speak our language so they don't really count.

>>72577657
they are, we are also. if some politician says or does something un-patriotic here, he'll be called first 'a serb' , 'a traitor' second.

>>72577711
i thought you guys and uruguay are cool. or you are talking about your relations with european countries?

>>72577711

>>72577820
How do creatians feel about Bosnia and Herzegovina and Slovenia?
I guess that you are ok with them, no?

>>72577711
>>72577820
ahahahahahaa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9KICvYWmk

which spanish accent you find most sexy on opposite sex and why? and which do you find most unpleasent to listen?

>>72577711
that's not true though. We get along with everyone. Only autists here hate other countries. We only dislike Chileans but not really that much

>>72577870
croatians*

>>72566204
i can confirm we use (argentina chile and uruguay ) "vos " instead "tu"

>>72577820
>i thought you guys and uruguay are cool
nah, it's too small and irrelevant, nobody cares about Uruguay.
I was talking about every country.
we don't like them and they don't like us.
even if there's "hate" on 4chan, spaniards and italians are our absolute bros.

>>72577892
Cuban most pleasant
Mexican least pleasant

>>72577892
Bolivian accent is ugly. I like our own accent to be honest. It's the only one I can tolerate. Women with Spanish accents sound like sluts(because they usually are, just as most European women)

>>72577870
We are cool with Slovenia until someone comes up with 'Piran' , disputed part of the sea between our countries. But generally we are cool, i visit Slovenia a lot, everytime i say i'm from Zagreb there are some free drinks for me lol. Bosnia, well, every other person has some relatives there but overall, nobody likes bosnian immigrants, cause they are like a tribe, a Bosnian opens a business here and he hires just Bosnians, they are the 'people who steals our jobs' shit.

>>72577892
the rest of latin america has repulsive accents.
they're just unbearable to listen to.

>>72577892
>most sexy on opposite sex?
colombian from paisa region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfuHl5xM7ZI&t=6s
>which do you find most unpleasent to listen?
northern mexican. especially Baja accent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1dKY8Cp_4

>>72577948
Even i can hear the diference between those two, and yeah, Cuban is much nicer. It' doesn't sounds so sharp like Mexican.

>>72578043
>they're just unbearable to listen to.
kek how do they sound like?
desribe it pls.

t. Spanish learner

>>72578090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2a82mvdPSk

>>72578090
>desribe it pls.
>they all sound like natives machu picchu ugh so not white
i inb4'd it, now wait for it

>>72578074
Northern Mexico BTFO

>>72578090
even if they're quite different, it's the typical ay ay caramba shit
they use a different pronoun and that makes them sound like subhumans.

2bf though it might just be mexico's fault.

>>72578074
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfuHl5xM7ZI&t=6s
jesus fucking christ i'm addicted to latinas

>>72578090
They sound like they are speaking some weird Native American language, but actually they are speaking Spanish. It's like if a non-native speaker spoke German. Imagine an Indian guy speaking German

>>72578141
That accent is not even that thick. It could be much worse

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>>72578189
shvtas

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>>72578357
Btw, friend of my friend from the army ended up in Paraguaian jail (Tacumbu) for like 20 years for smuggling cocaine. And i'm not even lying

>>72578357
http://zoranmarinovic.com/hr/reportage/paragvaj-zatvor-tacumbu/

top lel, he is this poor fuck on the right

>>72578500
really? he must've appeared on news here. we don't have many euros in jail around these parts

>>72578553
Well it happened like 5 years or so. He said he wasn't even provided a bed, he had to buy it from the guy who runs that section of the jail. Not the guard, but the prisoner. Da fuck.

>>72578550
wtf my lag. thanks for link

>>72578553
>>72578608
>>72578624
can't tell who is who

>>72578694
el paragua es el negrito, no es muy dificil.

>>72578760
you can't see skin color from here. Just the flag

>>72578624
And he leartn Spanish and married a girl there. What kind of girl/person would marry jailed Croat who will rot in there for 20 years? Nice gurls you have there bro :D>+

>>72578694
paraguay and croatia bros

>>72578813
estás en un celular o qué onda que no ves las banderitas?

>>72578608
>He said he wasn't even provided a bed, he had to buy it from the guy who runs that section of the jail. Not the guard, but the prisoner.
not even to mention the protection fees and cigars and shit
yeah our jail system is pathetic. we call it "thief internship" because they leave jail better criminals than before

>>72578872
yeah now here's something argies can agree with. our women are top of the tops

>>72578872
>paraguay and croatia bros
Trust me, that ain't a good idea
You don't want that

>>72578914
>we call it "thief internship" because they leave jail better criminals than before
thgat goes for every prison on entire planet probably cause you live with criminals for years, and here in Croatia for lots of jobs you have to give them insurance on paper that you haven't been to jail. Basiaclly, they release you from the prision and you can't find a job.

>>72578933
b-but why?

>>72579182
well i want to believe that it's different in Norway or God knows where. but yeah it's a worldwide problem

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>>72576825
>We still call spaniards Galicians
We do the same here in Rio, since most spaniards that arrived here were from Galicia. Portugueses are also called this way.

>>72579572
what does it feel like you are the only ones don't speak spanish around? I heard all of southern america was triggered when your guy acted in a role in Narcos.

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>>72579628
We don't really care. Most of our population lives far away from the frontier, Brazil is an insular country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPcfZLaMoAo

>>72580081
>We
Things depend on where you are. This is mostly true for baianos, but Paulistas often go buy smuggled shit in Paraguay, mid-high Curitibans often go to Bariloche, and you actually have some native Spanish speakers in Rio Grande do Sul.

>>72581675
>Things depend on where you are.
Nah, Brazilians don't really care about the fact that we do not speak spanish. What do you want to prove with your post?

>>72582033
not him but i think the's attacking the "we're insular" point
at the border there's plenty of interaction but yeah from Rio eastwards it's all about Brazil, Angola, Portugal..

>>72582033
I just mentioned three circumstances where language barrier does make itself present and where people are annoyed by it, to highlight no, "Brazilians don't care" is some retarded generalization probably brought by someone who lives in Northeast or other far away place.

If you want I can use simpler words.

If you want to argue for it, feel free to post some data.

>Argentina
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDeuKrXQBZQ

>>72582330
not here, the thread is on autosage

>>72582527
Sixth page, still ways to go. /lat/ and /luso/ are currently a bit too shitty to discuss there.

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>>72577711
>Argentinians dicksucking italy

nigger country, they don't want you in europe MUERTO DE HAMBRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG37Oh1Mowk

>>72582303
>"we're insular" point
That's not debatable. Brazil is an insular country. A good example for this would be the way Brazilians see themselves, rejecting "south american" identity/brotherhood.
http://www.bbc.com/portuguese/noticias/2015/12/151217_brasil_latinos_tg
>at the border there's plenty of interaction
Most Brazilians live very far from the border. Ofc there are interactions for those that live near it, but not as much as to take the insular nature of Brazilian culture and people.
>>72582330
>where people are annoyed by it
I doubt it people are annoyed by the language barrier at the point of really caring about not speaking spanish in Brazil and I'm talking as a person who traveled to Argentina more than once and has a house in a argentine enclave in Rio called Búzios.
>Brazilians don't care
Ofc it is a generalization, but it is mostly true. People don't care.
>who lives in Northeast
Nah m8, I live in Rio.

>>72582772
alright let me put it to you in 4chan terms you can understand
fronteira = brasileiros brancos
resto = bando de pretos

>>72582743
ARGENTINI NO TIENI MONETA, MORTI DI FAME

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>>72582919
hmmm

>>72577892
Cordoba and other argentinian shitholes. I don't hate the porteño accent but it's really faggy, while some people might think we're similar it's actually not, they speak like they're singing and they use words and a tone only girls use here.

>>72582772
>I doubt it
>I live in Rio.
Because again, you guys have barely any contact with them outside the random tourist "eh carnival acarajé favela" in your lands.

Fuck, explaining the obvious is annoying.

And about identity, let me remember "we" in this case doesn't even exist since the country is a clusterfuck. People here might not consider them the same as Paraguayans, Argentinians and Uruguayans... but they certainly do not consider themselves the same as Baianos, Cariocas and Cearenses.

TL;DR: your conception is biased as fuck based on where you live and you're unable to see that's not the case, and yet you're dishonest enough to assume you talk in the name of everyone.

>>72583199
You are not explaining anything obvious, you tried to use leisure travelling (And I bet people from Rio probably travel more to Argentina than those from Curitiba considering that cariocas are richer) and smuggling as examples against why Brazil isn't insular and cared about not speaking spanish. Well, that's stupid. I even posted a research in which Brazilians clearly try to distance themselves from other south americans, going so far as claiming Brazilians are bothered by the language is mental gymnastics.
What is happening here is not me "trying to speak in the name of everyone", I'm just stating what should be obvious. Do you live near the frontier and is a wannabe spic? Congrats! That isn't true for most Brazilians.

>>72584048
Yeah, sure, severino. If you want to believe, what can I do?
Just don't think things are the same outside the cangaço.