>tfw you will live to see a workers revolution and the inplementation

>>72498728
>How strong is gommunism in your cunt? Is it building strength?

It literally isn't building any strength in your country though.

And as for Canada no, not really. There might be a couple hundred social reject degenerates in a major city that are actually communists, at the most.

>>72498728
If you talk to enough communists, and that's all you talk to then it may seem that way.

I don't trust the government to make good decisions, so why would I trust a communist one any more than the one we have? It would just be the same idiots with a different stamp, and a better excuse to impose tight rule.

It's gonna be fucking awesome. I live on a farm, so I'll probably be assigned a farming job. When I'm plowing, I'll just wait til the inspector leaves, kick it into high gear, get done and drink some Budweiser. When my town starves I'll just say the weather was shit Lol

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>>72498819
Watch out, they're coming for you. Bourgeois scum.

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>>72498787
SOON

>>72498944
I'm a broke ass college student living in an apartment.

>>72498964
>Huge spike in membership
>A 300% INCREASE
>From 25 members to 75 members

Uh oh!

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>>72498942
>being this cucked by ideology
>muh Protestant work ethic
>muh right to lick bourgeois boots

LMAO lads

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>>72498819
>t. Steban Bolyneux

>>72498728
>>72498964
>>72499038
>>72499115
>IMAGE.JPG

>HE HAS AN IPHONE

BOURGEOIS SCUM! REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>72499038
Dude, fuck that shit. The reason I go for a high yield is for money. I'm just relaxing and cruising along if that's not the goal. Why, because I'm human that's why, and I couldn't give a fuck about a government whether it's communist or what it is now.

When the millitary is automated, the revolution will become impossible. You'll be lucky if you don't get genocided.

>>72499194
It's always the Bourgeois scum who talk about bourgeois scum here in the US.
The commies on campus all come from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.

>>72499658
What do the people in your local communist club look like? Are they fine upstanding members of society?

>America
>communist

you guys would get btfo in a heartbeat.
I personally would wipe the floor with fake wannabe communist college kids

Protip-I'm a former Eastern bloc fucker and every other Eastern bloc fucker in this nation hates communism with a burning passion.

>>72499658
Being a part of the Bourgeoisie means you own the means of production retard: well paid laborers, i.e. the "middle class" are still proletarians, even if they comprise a labor aristocracy, due to their material relation to capital.

>>72499779
This. Pissed off people with guns would put an end to any commie revolution quickly.

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>>72499779
Bring it on then you kulak fucking shit

>>72499880
why don't you lol

You're the one with zero turnout

>>72498964
>Al jizzera

>>72499880
Already have bitch ass.

In my city alone there are over 30k people from the Eastern bloc and a few years back we put a whooping to a bunch of you faggy uni punks trying to block traffic for MUH GOMMUNISM.

Buddies grandpa who was a fucking partisan said he'll line you shitheads up and execute you before he lives under that shit again

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>doing a bit of early spring cleaning
>find my grandfather's old belongings
>look through his medals and war memorabilia, smiling fondly at the thought of all the communist filth he shot
>mfw this thread

>>72499969
Yeah, my family left Latvia to flee communism. I would not hesitate for a second to put a bullet between a commies eyes.

>>72500155
>hurr durr my grandma fled from Vladimir Stalin and his 80 gorillion

Sure. I bet your uncle works at Nintendo also

>>72500257
>Hurr durr the communist revolution is coming, we have 40 numales and obese, ugly women in my club at my liberal college

>>72498728
is it true that having communist ideas in the usa is worse than being an isis member?

Like if you support universal healthcare, the americans see it as an attack to their freedom (of being cucked by mafia health corporations), and label you a damn commie?

>>72500325
Yes that's pretty much correct. Burgers think any kind of government spending that isn't on war or corporate bailouts is le gommunism

>>72500325
No. In reality, nobody here takes the commies seriously. They are usually just college kids who eventually grow out of it.

>>72498728
even the "communists" here aren't real communists, they just love capitalism too much.

Communism never worked.

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>>72499969
*teleports behind you*
More of your reactionary ilk dies every day due to being overwhelmingly geriatric; meanwhile, our ranks only swell with more vigorous young comrades every passing week. Prepare for the gulag, porky.

>>72500470
This. Commies in the US have been a bad joke since the 70's. Before they used to actually have minor influence on local politics, now they have nothing and proceed to get more and more cucked by liberal ideology as the years go by in order to attempt to stay relevant. Marx would call for modern American Commies to have a bullet put between their eyes.

>>72500779
>our ranks only swell with more vigorous young comrades every passing week.

Post some of your local communist meetups

I want to see your numbers and strength

>>72500325
Not really, most Americans rely on some form of universal healthcare through Medicaid or the VA.

Communists are viewed as immature and irrational, and are quite easily presented that way when observing the atrocities of Communist regimes during the 20th century.

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>>72500833
>being this defeatist and counter revolutionary

Lol you must be a leftcom

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These guys don't look like they could kill a fly. Are there better turnouts in the United States?

>>72500975
>defeatist
I'm not actually, I'm optimistic about more socialist influence in US politics, I'm just cynical about their absolute inability to sway the working class due to a biases and stereotypes CREATED by the bourgeois they so despise.

>>72500975
>Marx
>calling people names

That fat pig shit mama's boy who never held a job or did an honest days work had some nerve with his speeches.

Basically every liberal college teacher spouts this same nonsense but it's not the early 20th century anymore and the only people buying it are numales and hamplanets.

So instead of capitalist overlords you want communist overlords

communism is even more retarded than anarchism or fascism, it's followed blindly by idiots who know nothing about it just like the former, except there are clear examples showing you that hundreds of millions of people died due to it just in 1 century alone, and the only thing commies love doing more than killing civilians is killing themselves fighting over their autistic ideology

What do your local communists look like post some pictures

I want to see if they have enough musclemass to kill me

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>>72498728
>socialism

>>72501319
The last word of what you said

Hello? Can someone post some pictures of massive communist turnouts in their city?

I want to know what the revolutionaries look like. Are they strong? Is there many of them?

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>>72501532
>capitalism

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>>72501287
>he thinks liberals are the same as communists
>he thinks liberalism isn't the most classcucked ideology

WEW, American education am I right lads?

>>72501623
>If you're not a communist that means you must be an anarcho-capitalist, there is no inbetween

really made me think

If the revolution is so soon can you post big turnouts please. How many commies do you have in your city?

>>72501702
So how many true communists do you have in your local area?

You're going to need a lot of people for a revolution. Are these people big and strong?

>>72499779
Funny enough the only actual commies I've met are Latin Americans and chicanos who are poor as dirt

>>72498728
>tfw you will finally fulfill your lifelong dream of gunning down gommies in the street
Keep up the delusions breh.

>>72501867
Can you post a local communist turnout from your area?

What are the numbers you guys are pulling?

>>72501867
>Paris commune
Tell me, how'd that work out?

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Ok guys im getting scared now

These guys really look like they could fight a revolution

>>72502061
commiegirls are usually so fucking cute and funny though

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>>72501967
WATCH OUT BOURGEOIS SCUM

These 7 revolutionaries are armed and ready

>>72502142
>commiegirls are usually so fucking cute and funny though

I guess if you find dumb, loud-mouthed girls who are usually extreme beneficiaries of the ideology they claim to be against attractive then sure

>>72498942
>live on a farm
I'm guessing you or your family owns it? If so, you'll probably be purged during the revolution anyway.

>>72502218
yes, I also like trap and cute boys

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>>72502218
t. Bourgeois scum

Your days are numbered. Look how many soldiers they have.

Most of the Brazilians are theocratic fascists.

>>72502167
>>72502297
>tfw ex-indie games producers

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>>72502167
>>72502061
They kinda look like our commies, that is to say they look pathetic.

Okay I think we're done here.

There are little to no communists in any North American city and there isn't going to be any revolution.

>>72502297
>mostly fat college kids or dweebs
uh-oh man we might be in trouble

The US' military and intelligence agencies are so advanced that even if the US had a militant mass socialist movement I'm pretty sure it'd get destroyed very easily. All those state of the art drones and jets flying over Syria and Afghanistan and shit will be brought back home to vaporise gommies.

>>72502297
>Meeting of socialists
>All the fucking McDonalds coffee cups in the audience

>>72502445
>democracy
>socialism
KEK.

>>72502504
Why is it always either a total lack of musclemass or morbid obesity with these guys?

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>>72501967
It was crushed by reactionary scum. But so what?

>We have always lived in slums and holes in the wall. We will know how to accommodate ourselves for a while. For you must not forget that we can also build. It is we who built these palaces and cities, here in Spain and America and everywhere. We, the workers. We can build others to take their place. And better ones. We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing in this minute.

>>72502504
>All the fucking McDonalds coffee cups in the audience
Should be of the Starbucks?

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>>72502504
yawn

>>72502489
We wouldn't even need the military and intelligence agencies, we've got enough people here armed to the goddamned teeth that hate commies already to kill a revolution in its infancy.

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>>72502489
Not to mention the millions of American gun owners (excluding police, ex military) who'd LOVE to shoot up some commies.

Pic related

Only thing a communist deserves is a bullet

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>>72502680
This Tbh

>>72502576
>We are going to inherit this earth
I sincerely doubt that.
>>72502579
Would fit the demographic more
>>72502595
Then why haven't they enacted a socialist version of McDonald's? A people's restaurant to serve cheap fast food to the working class? Also you cannot honestly expect me to take socialism seriously based upon how these people here look
>>72502445
>>72502297
>>72502167
>>72502061
The vast majority of the working class in this country leans right and the strongest hotbed for far-left ideology lies in college campuses with students who have little notion of how the world works. I should know, I'm surrounded by them every day in class. If these are to be the glorious Vanguard Party of the future, then I'm not worried about a revolution any time in the near future.

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>>72502654
>he thinks commies aren't gun owners and pro-gun

what a tiresome meme

>>72502595
fun fact: most of slaves don't want the end of slavery but become the masters.

>>72502576
>>72502595
Why can't u guys post any of your numbers

It's like straight out of the playbook of r/communism to post funnie communist memes and make themselves look bigger than they are on Online communities.

There's literally like 50 of you, AT MOST in any US city.

>>72502654
where do you think the term redneck came from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Wars

>>72502812
Dude come the fuck on

I'm trying to find pictures of communists in Canada and maybe it's just in Canada but it feels like skinny women, balding numales with 0 musclemass and obese fucks don't appear to have ever seen a gun in person.

I'd love you to prove me wrong and post some of your local communists going to shooting practice or something at the range.

>>72498728
Poor white americans won't fall for the union meme again after Trump gets rid of them. The only people that have been convinced to like them are privileged rich white people and minorities who don't want to think for themselves.

>>72502812
They make up a very small minority of firearm owners in this country. I'm not particularly worried about them.

>>72502812
PLEASE. PLEASE.

Post some of your local communist buddies at the range. Protip: You literally can't and won't

>>72502951
They are just antifa a.k.a anarcho-communists.

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>>72503065
Ok fine here's a selfie. Satisfied now, leaf?

>>72503067
antifa always get btfo unless it's 10:1 and even then it's about even

>>72503202
>COMMUNIST REVOLUTION IS COMING, WE'RE COMING FOR YOU!

>Try to look up pictures
>It's always like <10 people who look the least bit intimidating, people who look like they would apologize in a confrontation on the street

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>>72502867
Why are you getting so agitated leaf? Does it keep you up at night knowing the big bad reds could be under your bed?

>>72503202
>#craiggolias
Literally one reverse google search away. Nice try commie.

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>>72503204
>t. /pol/

>>72503204
Like most of /pol/.

>>72502824
Manumitted slaves*

>>72503376
Both are fucking numales

>>72503302
So are you not going to dispute that you have literally no numbers at all and attract the lowest of the low?

>>72503376
/pol/ has never liked richard spencer though, not sure where you got this meme from. But that's beside the point, they indeed do get btfo pretty much across the board whenever they get the slightest opposition besides like a Milo event or something.

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>>72498728
Your ideology is the most failed one in history. All communist regimes collapse or go back to capitalism in the end.

Consider suicide my dumb fuck LARPing friend.

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>>72503376
https://youtu.be/T1hdrJUhj8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nPEIsqJZ5c
https://youtu.be/XUHZ98RSY88
https://youtu.be/6jT7rve2fYI
https://youtu.be/lZXNuqje_es
You require multiple force multipliers to get anywhere in a fight, even against numbers much smaller than yours. How the hell do you expect to take the whole country?

>>72503580
You forgot Sacramento where it was like 100 vs 15 and they still got destroyed

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>>72503258
>>72503338
Ok fine here's a real pic

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This is what leftypol looks like.

These people will overthrow capitalism.

I just wish for a socialist fortress Europa, is that too much to ask?

>>72503671
>we're coming for you, the revolution is any day now
>Cannot post a decent sized pic
>"Communists are armed revolutionaries"
>Cannot post a pic of a group of communists at a range locally

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>>72498728
Never ever. Your policies are inherently authortarian and massively statist.

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the future is nazbol

not that self-destructive lgbtqa++ trot shit

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>>72503704
I just wish Mannerheim and Simo Hayha were still alive so faggots like you would be a commie scarecrow.

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>>72503758
>statist

lmao fuck off ancap

Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I84Nwq3ccvg

>>72503671
You're just taking random pics of bodybuilders at this point.
>>72503702
Case in point. Also /pol/ has used weaponized autism to actually get shit done at various points.
https://youtu.be/PeXEWsobJRE
I don't always like /pol/, but if it came to a throwdown between /leftypol/ and /pol/, my money's on the latter.

>>72503704
whole of europe will be filled with vengeful african proles when international socialism comes

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>>72503889
>ancap

Nope, I'm in favor of a small government. Not abolishing it.

Go suck off Marx's cock and shill harder for your failed ideology though. North Korea is waiting for you pham.

>>72503954
Honestly /pol/ is the guys I love to hate, it's like the little brother you always bully and push around but still love deeply

>>72503479
There are plenty of ongoing communist revolutions around the world. Nepal, Rojava, India, the Philippines, Mexico, and I suspect Turkey soon enough. Communism is in a bad place in the West thanks to decades of propaganda and the fact it's the belly of the capitalist beast. But it does not matter. Capitalism took centuries to establish and destroy feudalism. The only real pressing concern is environmental destruction from capitalism.

>>72503758
Same thing don't apply for most of the far-right movements?

>>72503900
Kek.

Worth noting that every communist/socialist regome throughout history has had extremely restrictive gun laws. Go look at Cuban ones. I thought Marx was pro-gun?

Oh wait. The fat NEET kike wasn't. He was just in "favor of guns" to achieve the revolution, then afterwards it's draconian gun laws.

>>72498728
Just another shit tier looser. How does it feel knowing communism will never be achieved, you will spend you whole life waiting for something that will never come. Enjoy the trip looser.

>>72504116
I'm not a far-right.

Socialism requires a massively huge authortarian government because the only way to abolish private businesses and private property is through banning all free speech and killing or imprisoning dissidents en masse.

>>72504077
>plenty of ongoing communist revolutions around the world
>Most of these movements are either defunct or do next to nothing
On a personal note being part-Flip, the Flip commies are for the most part bandits who trot out the revolutionary slogans in order to justify their behavior.
>Rojava
>Mexico
Libertarian Socialism =/= communism. You sound like the same Brit I was talking to last night.

>>72504255
good. private property is theft made possible only by the institutions of bourgeois dictatorship

>>72504255
>Socialism requires a massively huge authortarian government because the only way to abolish private businesses and private property is through banning all free speech and killing or imprisoning dissidents en masse.
Agree.

>>72504077
>rojava

Heavily supported by the capitalists.

>ezln

Zapistas control a small region in Chiapas which is the poorest and has the lowest living standards of Mexican states. The EZLN hasn't really been doing anything and have been stagnant for close to two decades now.

>>72504349
wat am i reading

>>72504257
>most part bandits
Well of course a bourgie like you would say that. I'd rather communist "bandits" than capitalist ones.
>Libertarian Socialism =/= communism
They're the same thing. I don't care if communism is achieved through anarchist or statist means.

>>72504349
See, the problem is you'd have to use force to make people give up their private property, a move which wouldn't go over very well in this country.

>>72504374
Left-wing bullshit.

>>72498728
lmao as if there will ever be any revolution here. they'd get mowed down by our massive military.

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>>72499456
We are still far from a point where tech is greater than an overwhelming majority of men with guns. How much longer we can maintain that advantage is questionable however, dont underestimate an armed working class.

>>72504349
And socialism is even more theft. This is why your ideology keeps backfiring my man. It is unworkable in reality. The Nomenklatura in the USSR lived luxurious lives while the proles worked in shitty factories and wete stuck in their shit commieblocks.

>>72504370
>Heavily supported by the capitalists.
That just isn't true at all. The economy is increasingly socialised. They get some military support as a proxy bulwark against Assad, which I disagree with, but right now they are gaining strength and need to be careful.
>which is the poorest and has the lowest living standards of Mexican states
Which is exactly why they turned to the Zapatistas. Those with nothing have nothing to lose. They forced enough concessions from the Mexican state.

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>How strong is gommunism in your cunt? Is it building strength?

I'm sure gommunism won't last long here

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>>72504387
>Bourgie like you
That's a cute nickname, that supposed to offend me?
>I'd rather communist "bandits" than capitalist ones
You are rather naive
>They're the same thing
Fuck no, Rojava and the Zapatistas both greatly disdain heavily centralized leadership and vanguard parties. Almost every instance of communism done on the nation-state level has been through a heavy-handed authoritarian vanguard party.
>Don't care if its achieved through anarchist and statist means
That makes you little better than a Stalinist.
>>72504468
For fucks sake the armed working class in this country predominantly votes to the right.
>>72504485
>That just isn't true at all
I guess Javelins just drop out of the sky these days.

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>>72501287
>"see and that is why you should give up welfare for the needy, work regulations to increase safety and fair treatment, minimum wage and free healthcare"
t. totally not a corporate shill

>>72498728
Commies are rightfully mocked as the autistic retards they are. All glory to PM May.

>>72504619
your country is run by social democrats

>>72499658
When I went to University I did a module on Marxism, and the only actual Marxists in it were middle class, the Lecturer himself was a Marxist and upper class who went to private school. It really made me think.

>>72504485
>this isn't true at all

Are you dumb? Rojava recieves a shitton of supplies from the US and other capitalist countries, especially military supplies. Anyways after the civil war, it'll eventually flip back to capitalism just like Iraqi Kurdistan.

>which is exactly why they have turned to the zapistas

Who consequently have barely managed to improve the economic conditions of Chiapas.

>But as has been shown, the dynamics currently operating in Chiapas are extremely dysfunctional. Neither Zapatista nor government-led development models have managed to improve the livelihoods of local indigenous communities. Although sporadic successes do arise, Chiapas generally has seen only meager improvements and persistently high levels of poverty.

http://harvardkennedyschoolreview.com/zapatista-development-local-empowerment-and-the-curse-of-top-down-economics-in-chiapas-mexico/

The Mexican government has far bigger threats to deal with such as the cartels and drugs. It can roll over the EZLN easily if it wants to.

Even then, Chiapas continues to see many residents fleeing to richer and more capitalistic Mexican states.

>>72504727
>According to a later article in The Daily Telegraph, Thatcher's daughter Carol first revealed that her mother had dementia in 2005, saying that "Mum doesn't read much any more because of her memory loss ... It's pointless. She can't remember the beginning of a sentence by the time she reaches the end"

Thatcher and Reagan both died in diapers, unable to even form words to shill for their retarded slave ideologies. Kill yourself, bootlicker.

>>72504692
YPG get weapons from the US, but no economic aid.

>>72504762
>your country is run by social democrats

Lenin hated the Social Democrats, to him they might as well have been Fascists.

Also it's not true.
The Social Democrats (Norwegian: Sosialdemokratene) is a minor Norwegian political party. It last ran for election in the 2001 parliamentary election where it received a mere 0.01% of the votes.

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>>72504900
Stupid, dumb, leftist scum.

>>72504692
>For fucks sake the armed working class in this country predominantly votes to the right.
I'm hip and Im not saying they would revolt just disagreeing that if they did they would get btfo by modern military tech. Also just bc proles in this country currently vote against their own interests doesn't mean they always will

>>72504844
>it'll eventually flip back to capitalism just like Iraqi Kurdistan.
Kurds aren't a monolithic entity. Barzani loyal Kurds are nepotistic capitalists, and Iraqi Kurdistan was never socialist. KCK Kurds are socialist.

>>72504762
Social democrats while a left-wing ideology is essentially capitalism with a massive welfare state. The MOP in Norway is predominantly privately owned and private property exists heavily.

All Nordic countries are capitalist.

>>72505009
Isn't this the kind of Capitalism Milton Friedman advocated for?

>>72504907
I would think receiving weapons would be much more important for the prolonged existence of Rojava as a polity.
>>72504971
>I'm hip
Why would I care?
>They would get btfo
Probably. A socialist revolution ain't happening in this country anytime in the near future.
>Just bc proles in this country currently vote against their own interests
Tell me why is it in my best interest to pay for programs going to people who will abuse them? You ever been in a major city before?

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>>72504995
I never said Iraqi Kurdistan was socialist, but Rojava will eventually go back to capitalism after the civil war when they seek to develop their economy more or in response to stagnation over the course of many years. This happens to all socialist regimes. It's happening with Cuba beginning to transition back to capitalism.


http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/cuba-capitalism-economy-entrepreneur-socialist-communist-1.3509852

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a7038453c4234c1eb3bb026a355245d4/cuba-legalize-small-and-medium-sized-private-businesses

Can't make this shit up.

>>72505146
holy shit where was this??? berkley??

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>>72504468
The only thing stopping the bourgeoisie from taking full control, being able to genocide if they want to, is the restriction of needing humans to help them. All millitary tools requires being operated by theworkers, which makes two restrictions. It means they need to keep a large enough number of workers happy for them to keep supporting them, rather than joining the revolution, so starting genocide or famines is very risky because the millitary could end up supporting the poor. The other restriction is the need for a certain number of workers to run the millitary equipment. There comes a point where more equipment won't help, because you need the people to use it, and make sure they support you.

When millitary is automated, both restrictions are removed. There is no risk of the millitary turning against the bourgeoisie out of sympathy for the poor, so there is no threat keeping their policies in check and letting the plebs live.
The removal of need for people to use it also means that you can just keep making more with no worries. They will have infinite supply of vastly superior forces.

The survival of most people will depend solely on the goodness of the bourgeoisie.

>>72505161
I love this gif

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>>72500325

Communists are a joke these days. Almost everyone I know has a deep, deep hatred of commies on account of the Cold War and historical record (Gulags and such), but the hatred is so deep that no one seriously thinks another American could be a genuine Communist, as in it's just inconceivable that someone could be that retarded. As a result Gommies are treated as if they're larping or being immature children who don't know shit about the world (and 2bh that's pretty accurate).

>>72505329
Right and we are getting closer and closer to that tipping point everyday but in my opinion we are still far from it. Unfortunately it seems to me that we are in a position where that development of one sided technological domination will go unprevented by the general populace due to the bourgeoisie utilizing the now dominating force of media through the internet in order to maintain the strategy which has worked best for them since the beginning; divide and conquer. As communities shatter and grow apart this is a more and more effective strategy and one at which they are already pros

>>72503302
>Why are you getting so agitated leaf? Does it keep you up at night knowing the big bad reds could be under your bed?

No one is scared of you, it's just really strange how there's like 2 or 3 people actively pushing this shit and shilling for it with memes and stuff. And I know it's just you or maybe another Brit posting it.

>>72504794
poor people need to be taught class conscious by the middle class

communist revolution is about the middle class usurping the ruling class using proles and installing themselves as the new leadership cabal

>>72505319
>5-10 people shitposting about gommunism
Oh no! What will we ever do! Everyone on 4chan will surely either flee the site entirely or begin to embrace gommunist ideals within mere hours after reading this propaganda!
Who are these people? And do they really think they can mold a person's political views like play-doh?

>>72502824
so then why did haitians kill their owners, abolish slavery and then invade the dominican republic to kick the spanish out and abolish slavery there as well? dumbass hue

>>72506217
yeah nah

fuck off commie scum

>>72506420
Im not a communist retard, why would I be a communist and then just describe communism as a changing of the guards

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Why communist memes are copies of /pol/ ones? The only original commie meem I can think of is Porky.

The only commies I know of usually fall into 2 categories.

Old burned out people sometimes following some cultish leader who are just leftovers from the 60s. Or college kids who want to larp as revolutionaries even though the vast majority or middle class bookish nerdy types who be awkard and out of place at any actual gathering of blue collar workers and would be triggered at the realization that they are mostly roughneck types that vote republican and love to catcall women, talk shit on minorities, and complain about government regulations and liberals.

>>72506639
porky is a pretty funny meme actually lol i like posting it on /biz/

>>72506659
if those working class whites werent so brainwashed they'd be for the welfare state and social programs that would uplift their communities

america really needs a populist party again

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>>72504077
Turkey and India has Maoist insurgencies for a long time and the ones in Nepal actually succeeded and now in the parliement. Duterte and NPA were having a ceasefire last time i checked.

Also, is there any reason behind Western gommies being feminine af shitheads while left in Middle East/Asia have been pretty manly for all of its existence?

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>>72506824
>for the welfare state and social programs that help dindus and methheads
I'll pass. Also not interested in handouts.

>>72506639
Because communist are stupid and unimagininative

>>72506960
>good roads, schools, public facilities, healthcare services etc. etc.

I'll pass. *votes for megacorp duopoly party to maintain the horrific american status quo*

>>72507076
Shut the fuck up the Porky meme is hilarious

I'm looking for one that was posted, it was about Porky's wife's son becoming the new manager or something

>>72506891
>having a ceasefire
Its only been a slightly better situation than the current status quo, and the NPA would never be able to fully control Flipland.

>>72506891
>Also, is there any reason behind Western gommies being feminine af shitheads while left in Middle East/Asia have been pretty manly for all of its existence?
Because the 3rd world actually has the shitty conditions which the original communists used to attract people to their ideology while in the west it's been tossed to the dustbin of history and only picked up by affluent nerdy intellectual types.

>>72507109
>Good roads
Fair enough, though very often building projects in more built-up areas take a long fucking time and go over budget, the corruption certainly doesn't help
>Schools
I'd rather fix our fucked education system first
>healthcare services
Would mean I would inevitably have to pay for niggers and whiskey tango meth-heads abusing the system to perpetuate themselves.

Mainly though I already have a large distrust of the current government, why would I want another that would have more centralized power than the last?
>Votes for the megacorp duopoly party
I voted for a third party in the last election. Yes, our current situation isn't the best, but the idea of some kind of "socialist" revolution in this country is rather laughable because you'd need to have everybody on board and that's not happening.
>>72507130
>the Porky meme is hilarious
Its also the only one you have.

>>72507398
i'm not a commie though i just like the porky meme

>>72498728
most of the commies i've met are either weak shits who would be too pussy to actually take part in a revolt or would die from the common cold in the process.

>>72507431
You have a rather odd taste in memes then.

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>>72507661
I like post-ironic humor.

>>72507717
What's the difference between post-irony and just irony?

>>72507155
It is called Protracted People's War and part of Maoist doctrine so they don't really intend to win the war. If you ask me, i find this kind of warfare pretty pointless the point of PPW is to be pointless so it is pretty hard to argue against.

>>72507398
canada lets each province regulate their healthcare, the feds just provide money, there's no reason why these programs cant be delivered at the state level

and its very simple to fix the american educational system. make a 2 tiered system, with only the top 10-25% of kids getting accepted to the school based on tests. The kids would take AP classes and focus on college as default.


The lower schools would focus on community college and trades, and kids would be given the chance to try various hands on careers that earn good money, basically trying to bring back shop class and stuff like that, because poor kids that could learn a trade are drug dealing instead because they feel like they have no opportunities. And theyre arent completely wrong, they'd be really lucky to find someone to apprentice them.

The intelligent and motivated children cant be held back by the slow ones, and the unintelligent or lazy ones musn't be left behind when it comes to life prospects. There is a route for almost anybody except the criminally insane to become a productive member of society and america doesn't pursue this enough. You'd rather steal human capital from canada and the rest of the world than develop your own seeds. You do not leverage the potential of the human people at all and it shows in your noticeable decline

>>72507900
Post-irony (from Latin post (after) and Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation (or feigned ignorance) is a term used to connote a state in which earnest and ironic intents become muddled, or less commonly, a return from irony to earnestness, similar to New Sincerity.

>>72507209
I believe this might change as 3rd world countries get industrialised and their domestic markets stop being dependant on developed countries' commodities. Actually i believe decline of the Western monopoly over industry has already started and far-right getting stronger might be a symptom of liberal capitalism not being able to find a solution to this new conditions.

>>72507984
>Delivered at the state level
Rather fair, though then you'd start bitching at the states that didn't follow through. I do like the idea of greater state autonomy though.
>to become a productive member of society
A lot of people adhere to the phrase "fuck society", convincing them otherwise would be rather difficult methinks. Also the idea of being a part of a collective doesn't sit well with me at all. While I understand that as an American citizen I am a part of the overall American polity, within said polity are a myriad of people with very different political/philosophical viewpoints. If this route means everyone starts thinking along the same viewpoint, that's rather dangerous imo.
Also, this would require a massive re-structuring of the current job market, which I'm sure many wouldn't be happy about.
>You do not leverage the potential of the human people
We all have potential within ourselves, its up to us to find the inner strength to fulfill it. While many of us do need help, that's something to take initiative with on the personal level.

Furthermore this is mostly cursorary stuff compared to what the inevitable massive changes that would occur if some form of Socialism attempted to take over this country, and those changes probably wouldn't sit well with most.

>>72508175
That's actually very accurate observation. Though the immigration part isn't really apart of it more so just the general "open borders globalism". The actual developing economies outside of the west are a huge factor in the decline of the west as they now have a smaller share of the market like you said. Things will get very interesting once companies run out of countries to outsource to for cheap labor as they all will start to demand better pay and rights as the economies develop.

Part of me worries for that day, but it it could long time from now when that actually happens.

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>>72507209
>while in the west it's been tossed to the dustbin of history and only picked up by affluent nerdy intellectual types.
i'm not affluent at all. still a staunch socialist

>>72508467
Then you're one of a relatively small number then.

>>72506325
Kill yourself dumb fuck commieshit. Mannerheim was the greatest leader Finland has ever had and commies deserved to get BTFO in the civil war. Had Finland became socialist it would be third-world now. Get on your knees and thank Simo Hayha.

>>72508640
dude wtf... he was agreeing with you

Delete this incredibly rude and not thought out post immediately.

>>72508467
Yes you are. Factories in Mexico where you can't leave for break and get payed a few pennies and have to work 16 hours straight is what those books are talking about when they say proletariat.

Everyone in the west is now doing service jobs as the consumer side is the only part left of the economy still done in the west. The actual productive work still there is tiny and usually done by illegal immigrants or is automated. And even tinier portion of that might be legit workers but they are doing much higher skilled production and have better pay and rights.

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>>72508640
>Had Finland became socialist it would be third-world now
it would be like the czech republic or estonia you sperg, id rather live in estonia than america thank you very much

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>>72508719
He's unironically socialist scum.

>>72508816
>czech republic and estonia

Both of these countries are capitalist and hate the fuck out of the USSR retard. Especially the latter. They aren't socialist and only began to improve greatly after the communism meme ended.

>>72508800
Okay...? commies are dead too lol

Your ideology will literally never come to fruitation and you will always be a poor and sad retarded shilling for your revolution on a chinese dogeatin forum

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>>72508838
the USSR got more from the Winter War than it asked for

amusing how it gets painted as a Finnish victory

>>72498728
>>/r/FULLCOMMUNISM
Think you need to go back to your kiddy pool

>>72498728
GAS THE BANKERS, CLASS WAR NOW

>>72509075
The USSR wanted to annex all of Finland retard. After getting curbstomped they backed off.

>>72509127
gas the poor

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Leave communism to me.

>>72509130
>The USSR wanted to annex all of Finland retard
No it didn't. That's typical fascist and Finnish nationalist revisionism. Even if the USSR had wanted to "annex" Finland I'd support it. Proletarian liberation over bourgeois tyranny any day.

>>72509346
You're dumb as fuck. This was the objective of Stalin.

Good thing Finland didn't fall to LARPing kiddies like you, it'd be a vatnik third world shithole still suffering from the effects of a failed ideology to this day had it fallen to the Soviet menace.

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>>72498728
if this does happen I'm moving away and taking my assets with me so I can be comfy and watch you all kill each other in the mud


but communism is such a joke, here and everywhere in the west so there is zero chance of this ever happening.

maybe when idiots make op the majority of the population we will have an "uprising" and they can all walk into slavery together

>>72509430
>The Soviets demanded that the border between the USSR and Finland on the Karelian Isthmus be moved westward to a point only 30 km (19 mi) east of Viipuri and that the Finns destroy all existing fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus. They also demanded the cession of islands in the Gulf of Finland as well as the Kalastajansaarento Peninsula. Furthermore, the Finns would have to lease the Hanko Peninsula for thirty years and permit the Soviets to establish a military base there. In exchange, the Soviet Union would cede two municipalities with twice the territory demanded from Finland.[67][70] Accepting Soviet demands would have forced the Finns to dismantle their defences in Finnish Karelia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#War_preparations

>>72508800
Great and all, except the USSR also ended up dying out.
>>72509075
If not a victory then at least a very valiant and just struggle against Communist aggression.
>>72508816
>rather live in Estonia than America
That's fine, we wouldn't want you here anyway.

>>72509346
>Even if the USSR had wanted to "annex" Finland I'd support it
If I didn't hate you before, I sure as fuck do now. You are one evil motherfucker.

>>72509575
>That's fine, we wouldn't want you here anyway.
That's not fair, the Estonians wouldn't want a useless Starbucks Marxist either.

>>72509575
my mom is an american citizen and my dad is an eu citizen, and i know which paper work im going to be filling out. canada is the superior north american country is most ways except perhaps acceptability and cost of consumer goods

when I see someone who is supposedly at least somewhat intelligent and thoughtful talk about communism earnestly I honestly wonder wtf could be wrong with them for their minds to be so utterly fucked; to the point where a socialist or communist society appeals to them.

I can understand the poor or people from undeveloped countries because they are developmentally stunted and have utterly tiny world views due to being chained down by their insatiable desire for material wealth. but not people with some sense in their heads, supposedly at least.

>>72509550
>At the same time, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin's desire to recover the territories of Tsarist Russia lost during the chaos of the October Revolution and the Russian Civil War made Finland an obvious target.[4] Due to the nature of Soviet demands, which included the installation of Soviet military facilities on Finnish soil, these negotiations went nowhere.[5]

Stalin wanted all of Finland back idiot.

>>72509666
>The Superior North American country in most ways
On a personal level I don't mind you guys that much, and find certain parts of your country rather nice. If only you guys didn't have cucked gun laws. Also your gas is much higher (at least when I visit Toronto) than where I currently live.
>EU citizen
Considering the possible turmoil that may be facing Europe in the near future, are you sure this is a good decision?

>>72509689
I mean this for an adult at least
kids are always fairly mental and gravitate towards nonsense

>>72509689
It's more an emotional thing, they might feel insecure or loser in some way and being part of an extremist ideology they can envision themselves being some sort of hero or being the person who is now "on top" of society.

>>72498728
>Is it building strength?
Imaginary thing building imaginary strength?

>>72509814
>If only you guys didn't have cucked gun laws.
I generally prefer our laws to yours
what I would like is to remove the fairly arbitrary bans on certain weapons/items put in place out of nonsensical fears.
as well as improve training/awareness and loosen up laws for gun ranges.
but other than that I support our licensing and safe storage laws

>>72509839
I imagine so, but that is really true about most extreme, control freak ideologies.
its a slave mentality really.
I think the gravitation towards communism in particular is due to it being both socially acceptable and feeds this sort of "heroic" complex where people feel like they are some vicar of the people who are unable to voice their own sorrows.

>>72509666
>canada is the more superior country

Not really. In terms of freedom you are far more shit aside from Cali and Jew York.

>>72510070
untrue
Americans don't understand true freedom
you only see physical freedom but you can't have true freedom without law and order.

in reality while you have a lot of "freedoms to X" America is a very constrained society in many placed

California historically has been very free in all meanings of the word, maybe not as much any-more but still.

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>>72501287
>being an author and journalist isn't a job

>>72504699
Who talked about giving those things up? Marx was a total fag edgelord. It's well established He knew jack shit about how society functions and just theorized nonsense about everyone being the same and super equal and get the big bad baddy rich guy!
Which led to a government philosophy that has killed more people than the Khans.

>>72503758
>massively statist.

>this counts as political discourse in America

>>72510242
>we don't understand true freedpm

True freedom is negatove liberty you idiot.

Negative liberties in America are far superior to Canada in most areas. Taxes, free speech, gun laws, alcohol and cig prices.

My state has legal weed, I can smoke indoors in bars that allow it, and I can ride a fucking motorcycle without a helmet. All Canada has is a lower drinking age.

Canadians don't understand freedom. It's stupid shit like "freedom from racism" by banning hate speech or "freedom ftom gun violence" by banning a shitload of guns, magazine limits and etc.

>>72508722
I mean you aren't entirely wrong but you're definitely exaggerating the situation quite a bit. There is still a fair amount of production and assembly line type shit done in the U.S. Just because you live in CA and don't see it doesn't mean it isn't still being done in the Midwest. Move your goalposts somewhere else. Working in factories and dealing with dumb-ass overpaid bosses who don't do a damn thing is the reason I began to sympathize with Marxist ideology.

>>72504411
>not knowing the difference between private and personal property

>>72510657
Or "free healthcare" with insanely high tax rates.

The only freedom that matters is freedom from as fuck external interfence as possible. This is the freedom that was defined by philosophers such as Locke until Marx showed up. I don't give a fuck about positive liberty.

>>72510717
I live in a rural area in a huge house and have some acres of land. You'd seize it for your shitty revolution. Fuck off.

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>>72510657
Pic related: one (1) premium negative freedom

>>72510699
The Midwest is crumbling because of manufacturing leaving the US. It's why they massively flipped to Trump despite being democrat strongholds because he was promising the manufacturing back. I highly doubt he could bring it back but he was the only one talking about it.

The midwest was the industrial heart so naturally it will still have more relative to other regions, but it's still a tiny amount. Over half the cars in Detroit or foreign.

>>72510657
again all physical freedom, which is all Americans understand.

>>72510803
And the USSR was top tier positive liberty with famines, garbage living standards and the populace being all equally poor as fuck stuck in shitty commieblocks.

While the nomenklatura and stalin had luxury dachas and other goods unimaginable to the rest of the proles.

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When you realize the person who made this type of society was lazy, inept, and childishly bigoted you'll realize these are the types of people drawn to his thought process

Commies are lazy, inept, and usually come from countries with the highest wages in the world and most income equality, and the latest imperialism they have suffered from was from the USSR and the socialist EU

And yes, fascists are just as stupid as you are, you are actually pretty much the same archetype of people with different ideologies. Stupid, violent, and angsty

>>72510734
>freedom to starve
>freedom to freeze to death
>Working full time and having to live in your car while your corporate masters consider apartment buildings and houses "investments" and labor a "commodity" to be bought and sold for as little as it can be had

>>72505740
>Almost everyone I know has a deep, deep hatred of commies on account of the Cold War and historical record (Gulags and such)
t. Country that slaughtered 3 million Vietnamese for no reason

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>>72510734
>freedom according to libertarians

>>72510933
Libertarians are a different kind of retard, but that doesn't make commies not also retarded.

>>72506960
>i don't like things that help me if they also help blacks
>i don't want help

>>72510912
Aka negative liberty. This is freedom as defined by most non-marxist philosophers. What you are referring to are capacities. I don't give a fuck about "freedom from harm" if I'm forced to live in a coddled, padded-room nanny state. Freedom is dangerous.

>>72510927
>freedom to starve and freeze to death

These were both way worse in communist regimes than capitalist countries. At least the rich aren't oppressing you amirite :^)

>>72510929
so 3 million is now just as bad as literally 100s of millions killed by communist countries in the 20th century

lol, I'm not saying the 3 million is justified, if you are worried about innocent lives the last thing you would want is communism

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>>72510933
>"at least the rich aren't oppressing us"

>>72510902
*are foreign. I don't know why I keep typing or must be some type of autism.

>>72510997
I'm talking more about the Daoist idea of freedom, that is freedom of action

American society seeks to sculpt and influence people to turn them into something they are not, it creates masks for people so they can fit into one or more "tribes" within the larger American society.

4chan is a good example of Daoist freedom, we are forcibly stripped of our masks and allowed to act as we will, to be ourselves; but also governed by a code of law within which only is freedom possible.

>>72508722
The word proletariat means anyone who earns a living through wages, as opposed to a farmer selling his crops or the bourgeoisie living off dividends.

>>72510989
>he thinks libertarian is all ancapism

Kill yourself. There is nothing wrong with wanting a state that minimizes as much intrusion into personal freedom. It doesn't mean DUDE CHILLUN SEX SLAVES.

>>72508640
w-what
im really confused
how did you get the idea that i was somehow supporting gommunism?

>>72511236
In Marxist jargon sure, but in the real world people didn't identify with that, they identified with the horrible working conditions and pay. Its why they utterly abandoned the ideology once living conditions improved in the west.

>>72510771
It is truly surprising how self assured Americans speak over things they know nothing about.

>>72511360
Really, I'm wrong?

Did Stalin, Mao and Castro not seize land from people who owned them? You are a tard.

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>>72511236
You mean like you living in a socialist haven where you can get free money for sitting on your ass

You mean like your country which pushes high wages for the working class at the expense of having to subsidize their industry to make it competitive and pay the dirty farm owners to make food that HAS to be made to feed people despite you hating them

Most likely by a publicly traded company that can be partially owned by anyone who wishes to buy a piece, including employees?

What are you going to improve? even higher wages, cheaper living at the expense of a realistic economical strategy? Do you not realize your neighbors with far worse living conditions have those because they were under a communist rule?

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>>72511353
Willfully ignoring the fact that socialized healthcare would be cheaper for the common joe than insurance companies is a form of libertarian retardation. Ancaps and Libertarians share the exact same retarded thinking.

Or that the most prosperous countries are those using Keynesian economics.

>>72511080
>as bad as literally 100s of millions killed by communist countries in the 20th century
>100s of millions

Lmao, go look up all the famines that happened in thord world capitalist countries. Or your country's actions in Guatemala or Nicaragua, that'll get rid of any smug feeling of moral superiority.

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>>72499779
>>72499969

>>72511413
I'm none of those people.

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Show me a commie with this much dedication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni

>>72511359
>In Marxist jargon sure, but in the real world people didn't identify with that, they identified with the horrible working conditions and pay.
He's literally the guy who first applied it to the modern context, most non-socialists don't even use the term.

>>72511652
And in his time he could never imagine the factory wage workers having the rights and pay they do now. It's not the mid 19th century anymore.

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>>72511505
Did you read my post, I'm not smug or superior.

Communism was easily one of, if not the most deadly human force in our entire history

Communist countries forced famines upon their people by trying to follow some idiots, they then killed anyone who opposed them, in many cases killed off entire classes of people based on income and education

It also did not cease imperialism, rather it fueled it further and lead to wars and concentration/labor camps.

So why are you running away from the reality that this system you're pushing was implemented in many different ways, all resulting in catastrophe for themselves and their neighbors?

Stop focusing on duh ebul fascists, they're EXACTLY like you. They only care about the opposite side, not themselves. You both want to kill people and put your systems in when history has shown all it does is lead to mass death, open your eyes and look objectively at things, and if you cannot do that they are you just mentally deranged

>>72511413
Common practice under communist regimes was to strip property from those who were perceived as being thieves due to benefiting from exploiting their workers. Hence instead of one dude who has made cash due to the discrepancy between capital generated by labor and pay of laborers, owning fucking everything and forcing the working class to pay him rent, housing is provided to those in need and he is stripped of his shit and sometimes even put against the wall. You will find, if you care to look, that home ownership in former ussr countries is much higher than in the US due to the radical Idea that people deserve a place to live. For instance; home ownership in modern day russia is around 80 percent while in the us it is closer to 60.

>>72511423
>You mean like you living in a socialist haven where you can get free money for sitting on your ass
I don't even know what you're trying to say. My country is not socialist and I have a job. People in the Eastern bloc didn't get showered in free shit. There are always people who don't work but still live on every ssociety, in yours theu're retirees and the bourgeoisie who live off the labor of others.

>Most likely by a publicly traded company that can be partially owned by anyone who wishes to buy a piece, including employees?

A worker shouldn't have to buy a piece of his own employer (which is not always possible) because it already should belong to him, he generates part of the profit together with other employees and should get to rum the company together.

>>72498728
we invented gommunism, but it could never establish itself, it was pushed away by the social market economy and the people didn't care anymore. (except the GDR trip)

>>72511859
>he generates part of the profit together with other employees and should get to rum the company together.

What if he's too retarded to be able to do that?

if he was smart enough he'd start his own company then.

>>72511799
Do you realize that there is a middle way?
It doesn't mean your state is communist, just because your state implements a health insurance.

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>>72510929

>for no reason

>Gommies in North Vietnam take power, proceed to do standard gommie things like imprison and torture everyone who's educated. liquidate anyone who "owned" land, etc.
>Gommies take over South Vietnam and chuck a few hundred thousand (significant portion of population) into gulags
>mass exodus from country, hundreds of thousands die trying to flee regime
>invade Cambodia, turn Laos into puppet regime

Communists should be shot on sight.

>>72511723
>And in his time he could never imagine the factory wage workers having the rights and pay they do now. It's not the mid 19th century anymore.

None of this is relevant ot my earlier post, but whatever. Marx thought mankind was plenty innovative and believed it had a great power to improve living standards.

>>72511487
>wilfully igboring the fact that socialized healthcare would be cheaper

This is not why I oppose universal healthcare you idiot. I oppose it because it leads to nanny statism seen in every country that has universal care. The public health nuts start going batshit crazy and heavily tax, greatly restrict or ban anything remotely dangerous to health because "it costs the healthcare system money." In addition, I am not the average joe but make close to 100k a year. I have MORE disposable income after paying for a 90/10 plan than if I lived somewhere like Canada where I'd be taxed more heavily and have gotten universal healthcare.

>the most prosperous countries are those using keynesian economics

False as fuck bruh. The US is the richest economy and is not Keynesian, and our median income is higher than the vast majority of the developed world.

If you want to see a good Keynesian failure, look at Japan. Keynesianism has left the economy in constant stagnantion since the 90s, and all the stimulus packages they keep passing failing to rescue the economy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/japans-keynesian-recession-1416270498
http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/japans-never-ending-keynesian-nightmare/

Now, I am not completely averse to Keynes policies completely. I can see them being used as emergency measures during a recession.

>>72511799
>put against the wall
You mean executed, and sadly this idea of yours is actually blatantly false. Yes this happened in Cambodia for instance, it also happened with less intensity in China and Russia, but what you fail to mention is that these farms and factories weren't given to the people, they were given to the government and their wealthy elite to do with as they pleased, and these taken over factories and farms were far less efficient and lead to the starvation of people who once ate food from it

Also your idea of commie blocks and 400 sq feet shacks being 'houses' is just you trying to shrug off the fact that Russia is still a third world country where its people live like shit

>>72511971
Cambodia and Laos are meme countries.

>>72511799
In practice however, all private land and private property was stripped.

>home ownership in the ussr was higher than the US

Homes in the US were vastly more superior to shitty commieblocks as well you idiot. Romania has the highest home ownership in the world. You are an imbecile if you think the quality of their homes is superior to that of Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

>>72512011
Which is why every sane citizen and group of citizens hates you

You go into countries that are doing perfectly fine and preach for revolution that does not stand up to discourse, you have ruined some of the largest countries on this planet in the name of equality only for the ruins to be more equal than under your regimes that were thought up and funded by the wealth elite you so despise

Nobody wants to deal with you, we're here telling you right now objectively why your ideas are proven to not work, but you don't accept it. You're not fit to run a society, you're not fit to understand what is best

And that's why you'll never have any smidgen of power and that's a good thing, childish ideas such as your should never be implemented when they cannot hold up historically or in debates

You don't want to help the people, you want to hurt them, and the people do not want your terrible violent ideology ever again

>>72511942
Yes I am personally not a believer in a fully communist state, I think my government as it is set up in the constitution is an excellent system but obviously there are many ways in which it falls short of perfect. Unfortunately it seems to me that things here will only continue to get worse before they can get any better. Eventually I think the working class will quit voting against their own interests and we will see the left in this country go back to what it once was.

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>>72511505

There's a difference between famines caused by drought, bad weather etc. and man-made famines.

For example,
>kill all productive peasants, export grain
>oh shit pretty much every famine ever in the USSR

>start retarded campaign to get rid of sparrows and to destroy farm tools to make pig iron """steel""", export way more grain than you should to meet Commie export targets
>haha why are all these people starving to death? lul

Almonds = activated

I don't care about politics, but if they got into power I would immediately stop doing anything and just sit on my ass all day.

>>72512147
You are a retard defending a failed authortarian and violent ideology. The founders believed in private property and freedom. Your ideology is one of the most unfree and oppressive ones to exist, because you need an Orwellian state to enforce it. Fuck treasonous faggots like you.

The working-class in the west hate Marxists the most.

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>>72511799

> You will find, if you care to look, that home ownership in former ussr countries is much higher than in the US due to the radical Idea that people deserve a place to live.

I'd rather rent a decent apartment than own a 20 sq meter commieblock cell.

>>72512115
didnt say home ownership in ussr was higher than us, never said shitty cement apartments are better than american homes. I said home ownership is low here compared to former soviet bloc countries and was trying explain how and why I understand this came to be. I am not a fan or a follower of a communist ideology when it comes to the state. However I see no reason to believe that a normal dude would have his home stripped away from him in the absolutely implausible event that these retarded internet tankie "communists" were to seize power and overthrow the US govt. This is all

>>72511602
Oh, so you are a "TRUE COMMUNIST" right?

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I think it's safe to say that communism has been BTFO and there will not be any revolution.

>>72511799

>Common practice under communist regimes was to strip property from those who were perceived as being thieves due to benefiting from exploiting their workers. Hence instead of one dude who has made cash due to the discrepancy between capital generated by labor and pay of laborers, owning fucking everything and forcing the working class to pay him rent, housing is provided to those in need and he is stripped of his shit and sometimes even put against the wall.

And also anyone who managed to scrape enough together to buy a little more land than he could farm and so hired someone to help him during the harvest time in order to get everything done before winter. Those were also the people who were lined up against a wall and shot.

Communists kill everyone who's successful, because they see success as only coming about through exploitation. It's Harrison Bergeron bullshit, except they don't put weights and masks on you, they shoot you.

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>Communistcucks are willing to die so Jamal can sit at home and cuck him while he's at a slave factory.

Cuckumists make me laugh. Capitalism is shitty but it's the best form of economy for an average man to possibly earn some decent living.

>>72512264
You still have private property. It's delusional to believe the free market is without flaws. Just look at all those billionaires. They have more money than the rest of the world and will never have to do anything anymore, even their children and childrens children. They just live of their interest and their money keeps growing and growing. This is basically modern Feudalism. You can't fix it without the state as authority.

>>72512324
Most of the west has lower home ownership than eastern bloc countries, but the quality of our homes are far greater than shitty ex-ussr ones.

>I see no reason to believe people would lose their homes if communists got into power

Because you are an idiot when this has happened in all socialistic regimes. Live in McMansion or a nice suburban house? No. That's oppressive to the poor. It'll be seized and if you aren't killed, everyone will get their shitty government provided housing in an apartment complex.

>>72512264
Jesus christ you're fucking dense. Where did I defend authoritarianism or violence? Where did I attack private property or freedom? Where did I delve into treasonous reasoning? If we put into place a few reasonable protections for labor then we will see less consolidation of private property and instead of working to build a more prosperous future for an elite few we can see improvements in our country across the board.

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>>72512324

>However I see no reason to believe that a normal dude would have his home stripped away from him in the absolutely implausible event that these retarded internet tankie "communists" were to seize power and overthrow the US govt

Private property has been outlawed and seized by the state for redistribution/repurposing every single time Communists have won a revolution. Normal dudes just like you and me had their homes and property seized and were shot for not being ideologically pure enough.


It you're trolling I'll give you a 10/10 though.

>>72511769
>Communism was easily one of, if not the most deadly human force in our entire history
Proofs?
>So why are you running away from the reality that this system you're pushing was implemented in many different ways, all resulting in catastrophe for themselves and their neighbors?
You ask me to defend regimes I don't even advocate for, I've never said I was a communist. Yet you fully endorse the American system, all while ignoring the terrible suffering it has caused.

>>72512452
>you still have private property

Nigger what. Socialism is about abolishing private ownership of the means of production and private property. None of the Nordic countries are socialist nor is any Western European country for example. They are all capitalists with a huge welfare state.

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commies, when will they learn?

>>72512506
So stop calling yourself socialist, because you have no idea what socialism is.
What you are advocating for is capitalism is a huge welfare state.

>>72512556
They won't that's why they need to a good kick to the head.

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>>72512556
What DID he mean by this exactly?

>>72512550
It doesn't mean you get rid of your private things. The state just checks if you follow the rules which are given by it. If it means rich have to pay higher taxes it be so, but you can still do what you want.

We had our own house and my dad had it's own business in the GDR.

>>72512592
He means he's on to something.

killing communists should be legal

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>>72512544

>Communism was easily one of, if not the most deadly human force in our entire history
>Proofs?

>what is the Great Leap Forward
>what is the Red Terror
>what is the Holodomor
>what is the Khmer Rouge
>what is the Gulag system

Jesus christ

>>72511914
>What if he's too retarded to be able to do that?
This has been done on multiple occasions and works gine, looks up the Mondragon Co-op, it has 75k employees and is worker run and owned.

>if he was smart enough he'd start his own company then.

Because there's more to running a company than being smart (which plenty of businessmen aren't) it's about access to contacts and capital.

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>>72512626
>>72512583
Be honest.

Do you agree or disagree with this quote?

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>>72512592
oy vey

>>72512581
Never called myself socialist. Socialism is a dictatorship of the proletariat, there is no 'true' form just different ways in which people have tried or claimed to try to achieve this goal. Correct me if I am wrong

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Seriously, what is it about Communism that makes apologists come out of the woodwork? Communism was several times worse than Fascism but I never see people come out and defend the Nazis like you see people defending Communists. I seriously don't fucking get this.

>>72512616
Your land gets seized. You are forced to live in government-provided housing. Not the house you want or live in. My family lives in a McMansion and owns some land.

Are you saying I get to keep this house and land under socialism and I won't have it seized? Because I strongly doubt that. Every socialist regime did the opposite.